Illegal amnesty....real shocker

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06 ... mmigrants/

The Obama administration has been holding behind-the-scenes talks to determine whether the Department of Homeland Security can unilaterally grant legal status on a mass basis to illegal immigrants, a former Bush administration official who spoke with at least three people involved in those talks told FoxNews.com.

The issue was raised publicly by eight Republican senators who wrote to the White House on Monday to complain that they had heard the administration was readying a "Plan B" in case a comprehensive immigration reform bill cannot win enough support to clear Congress.

The White House would not confirm or deny the claim. But the former Bush official said the discussions are real.

"The administration at the very minimum is studying legal ways to legalize people without having to go through any congressional debate about it," the source said, calling the senators' claim credible. "Whether somebody pulls the trigger on that, that's another issue."

There is nothing this administration would pull that would shock me now. They are doing everything they can to go around the normal channels and avoid voting on anything. What a fucking disaster.

[miir]

LOL fox news.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Just because CNN will report on it in 3 weeks and not have it a headline does not make it less than accurate.

How would you feel if 10-30 million people entered into Ontario illegally?

[miir]

Yeah just like how Obama is gonna take away your guns!




You and your chicken-little panic attacks are getting tiresome.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

You stupid fuck.....did I write the fucking article? When it is reported on a news site and has names attached to it, it is not tin foil hat.

Your stupid fucking ass is bitching because of a little increase in traffic with your G20 summit.

[Funkmasterr]

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[Bubba Grizz]

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I think the Administration would like to avoid voting because the republicans would do anything in their power to thwart anything put forward out of spite.

[miir]

You stupid fuck.....did I write the fucking article?When it is reported on a news site and has names attached to it, it is not tin foil hat.

It makes me sad that you're so easily manipulated by Fox news.
It's a safe bet that nothing in that article is true.

Your stupid fucking ass is bitching because of a little increase in traffic with your G20 summit.

Actually, the traffic has been great!
Downtown has been deserted.

I'm really pissed off about the colossal waste of money on this fiasco.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

BLITZER: All right. Let's talk a little bit about Mexico's laws. I read an article in "The Washington Times" the other day. I'm going to read a paragraph to you and you tell me if this is true or not true. This is from "The Washington Times": "Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to reenter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals. Is that true?

CALDERON: It was true, but it is not anymore. We derogate or we erased that part of the law. Actually, the legal immigration is not a -- is not a crime in Mexico. Not anymore, since one year ago. And that is the reason why we are trying to establish our own comprehensive public policy talking about, for instance, immigrants coming from Central America...

BLITZER: So if people want to come from Guatemala or Honduras or El Salvador or Nicaragua, they want to just come into Mexico, they can just walk in?

CALDERON: No. They need to fulfill a form. They need to establish their right name. We analyze if they have not a criminal precedent. And they coming into Mexico. Actually...

BLITZER: Do Mexican police go around asking for papers of people they suspect are illegal immigrants?

CALDERON: Of course. Of course, in the border, we are asking the people, who are you?

And if they explain...

BLITZER: At the border, I understand, when they come in.

CALDERON: Yes.

BLITZER: But once they're in...

CALDERON: But not -- but not in -- if -- once they are inside the -- inside the country, what the Mexican police do is, of course, enforce the law. But by any means, immigration is [not] a crime anymore in Mexico.

BLITZER: Immigration is not a crime, you're saying?

CALDERON: It's not a crime.

BLITZER: So in other words, if somebody sneaks in from Nicaragua or some other country in Central America, through the southern border of Mexico, they wind up in Mexico, they can go get a job...

CALDERON: No, no.

BLITZER: They can work.

CALDERON: If -- if somebody do that without permission, we send back -- we send back them.

BLITZER: You find them and you send them back?

CALDERON: Yes. However, especially with the people of Guatemala, we are providing a new system in which any single citizen from Guatemala could be able to visit any single border (INAUDIBLE) in the south. And even with all the requirements, he can or she can visit any parts of Mexico.

BLITZER: I ask the questions because there's an argument that people in Arizona and New Mexico and -- and Texas, they say they're only trying to do in their states what Mexico itself does in the southern part of Mexico.

CALDERON: I know. And that is a very powerful argument. But that is one of the reasons why we are trying to change our policy. And let me be frank, Wolf. In the past, Mexican authorities were in a -- in a -- in an unfortunate way in the treatment for immigrants. But now we are changing the policy. We changed already the law. And that is different today. We are trying to write a new story, talking about immigrants, especially coming from Central American countries.

[Sueven]

I think it's almost certainly true that the Obama administration is investigating the extent of executive authority to act unilaterally with respect to immigration. Seems like it'd be irresponsible not to investigate and figure out what your range of options for confronting a serious policy issue are, no?

Of course, investigating the limits of your authority and trying to exercise that authority are very different things.

[Sueven]

Also, what are the egregious things that this administration has done unilaterally and without votes that render you unshockable?

Healthcare: Passed both houses of Congress.
Stimulus: Passed both houses of Congress.
Student loan reform: Passed both houses of Congress.
Ledbetter Fair Pay Act: Passed both houses of Congress.
Financial regulatory reform: Passed both houses of Congress (and will do so again before it's signed into law).
Don't Ask Don't Tell repeal: Passed both houses of Congress.

Seriously... what have they done? Convince BP to establish an escrow fund? What left you so shocked?

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

How about the manner in which the administration of "change" has gone about business? They got their healthcare rammed through by basically buying votes. They want amnesty through so they can have a voting base to get re-elected (and to be fair Bush wanted the same craptastic amnesty and everyone was damn well against it then too).

Sticking to this one particular topic, what purpose would granting amnesty and making every illegal in this country a citizen serve? There would still be a flow of people across the border and you just gave citizenship to 10-30 million people that already have proven that they give 2 shits about the laws of the country....that is EXACTLY what we need. You are also talking about a huge amount of people that would also still be living at or below poverty levels and would almsot certainly be getting government assitance to be here....another thing we really need. Sure they are willing to work some crap jobs right now, but will they be willing to work the same crap jobs when they can sit on their ass and have the taxpayers footing the bill?

If they want amnesty there should be a reasonable amnesty system in place. They should be given the choice of registering and then leave the country...at which point the crimes of entering illegally are cleared from them and they are put on the list of people that can be brought in legally to work. Those who do not are given the same sentencing that Mexico uses.


The armed forces should be put on the border there to secure it. The Mexican cartels are becoming major issue there and the Mexican armed forces have actually crossed our border and held border patrol agents at gunpoint over a mile into US territory. That border should be priority number one on any talks involing illegal aliens.

[Zaelath]

How about the manner in which the administration of "change" has gone about business? They got their healthcare rammed through by basically buying votes.

You get the democracy you deserve.

The idea that anyone in the US could complain about "deals" being made at this late stage seems naive in the extreme.

This outburst also had me confused:

You stupid fuck.....did I write the fucking article? When it is reported on a news site and has names attached to it, it is not tin foil hat.

None of the (R) senators or the "source" are in a position to know anything. And governments never confirm nor deny speculation from the opposition/media; if they deny that confirms it, if they confirm that limits their options.

Have you followed politics at all while your side was in power, or just felt that everything was as it should be?

[Sueven]

How about the manner in which the administration of "change" has gone about business? They got their healthcare rammed through by basically buying votes. They want amnesty through so they can have a voting base to get re-elected (and to be fair Bush wanted the same craptastic amnesty and everyone was damn well against it then too).

Sticking to this one particular topic

So, in other words, everything has been passed via the ordinary process of bicameralism and presentment that's been used since time immemorial. OK, with that done, I'll be happy to drop it and stick to this topic.

Sticking to this one particular topic, what purpose would granting amnesty and making every illegal in this country a citizen serve? There would still be a flow of people across the border and you just gave citizenship to 10-30 million people

I more or less agree with you on this point. A better border security plan has to go hand in hand with a pathway to legalization. Amnesty on its own doesn't actually solve anything, it just pushes the problem out another decade or so, and it'll probably be a bigger problem next time than it is now.

Of course, there's a lot that the President can do unilaterally with reference to border security. Maybe it's the case that a realistic immigration plan involves two aspects: pathway to citizenship and border security. It's possible that executive authority exists to do both of those things, to some degree. Alternately, it may be the case that Congress doesn't have the votes to pass immigration reform as things stand now. But if Obama were to unilaterally grant some sort of amnesty, you can bet your ass that a border security only bill would sail through Congress. It's totally implausible that anyone in the US government-- Obama, Congress, or both-- would pass an amnesty plan without any sort of increased border security plan as a complement. But there are potentially a variety of ways to get from here (no amnesty plan, no border security plan) to there (both).

I also think that your notion of a "pathway to citizenship" is silly. Leave the country and go to the back of the line? No. As high-minded as that is, it's not realistic. Mine is something like: Pass a criminal/terrorist background check, accept the obligation to pay any taxes that you haven't yet paid, pass a basic civics exam in line with what's required to obtain citizenship. That's it.