LOST: Season 6 - Possible [SPOILERS]

[Dregor Thule]

I'll try and lay out my thoughts on Desmond.

They said he was resistant to EM energy. How? Who knows. Maybe because he figured out how to anchor himself when traveling through time. Who knows? It's all make-believe anyways, I almost prefer the non-explanation of that to the alternate of them shoveling a bullshit explanation down my throat and telling me to believe. As for the light, it was obviously EM energy, the island had lots of EM hotspots on it. So, when MiB tried to go in, he got tossed out and turned into the smoke monster (yep, doesn't make sense!), and his body is outside on a log. When Desmond went in, since he was resistant, he was able to stay in and unplug the badness. Then he gets "tired", aka he's been thrown down a well and is being bombarded with shit that is probably still not good for him, even if he can survive, plus mentally he's completely drained because he was expecting to be transported to a perfectly happy world. So yeah, I'd be "tired" too. Then Jack goes in, saves Desmond, and re-plugs the hole. Keep in mind, he's been stabbed in the fucking gut, so yeah, he also is "tired". Last we see is the water dribbling out and the light starting up again, then he's outside on a log. There's been teleportation in the show before, and I'm guessing that's how the MiB's corpse and Jack got out, I think they may even have ended up on the same log.

Solid answers? No, those we'll never get on some things. But enough for the imagination to fill in the blanks.

[Lynks]

Still, I can't help but ponder the mysteries! What with the alternate timeline (the flash sideways)? It only existed as a construct to bring friends together in the afterlife? What about the H-bomb that created that timeline?

There was no alternate timeline. It is my understanding that it was purgatory the entire time.

[miir]

The 'other timeline' was simply a place that Hurley created so that all of his friends on the island that had passed on could be reunited one last time.


Hurley and Ben weren't dead.
Hurley is Jacob and Ben is Richard.

[Winnow]

Hurley and Ben weren't dead.
Hurley is now Jacob and Ben is Richard.

So Hurly will be forever fat no matter how much he works out?

You forgot my favorite character: Charlie. I loved Charlie and Claire's relationship in the first three seasons, and I thought his story arc was the most compelling.

Oops, I forgot Charlie. I enjoyed his character as well mostly. John Locke's interaction with Charlie was great...in fact, John Locke's interaction with everyone was outstanding the first three seasons. Give that man an Emmy! (did he win one?)

[Dregor Thule]

The 'other timeline' was simply a place that Hurley created so that all of his friends on the island that had passed on could be reunited one last time.


Hurley and Ben weren't dead.
Hurley is Jacob and Ben is Richard.

No, I think Hurley and Ben were dead, it just didn't happen right away. Both of them had "forgotten" their real lives in the flash.... gatories? Fuck. And they talked to each other about doing a good job on the island in the past tense. I dunno if it's even safe to say Hurley created it, tho it's definitely a possibility.

If I were going to try and dumb it down for people not getting it, I'd say that they were all playing Xbox Live (or some other such thing) after they'd died, and it was just taking awhile for them all to be added to each others friends lists so they could drop into Modern Warfare 2 and pop some fools.

[Kaldaur]

If I were going to try and dumb it down for people not getting it, I'd say that they were all playing Xbox Live (or some other such thing) after they'd died, and it was just taking awhile for them all to be added to each others friends lists so they could drop into Modern Warfare 2 and pop some fools.

Truth be told, this should have been the ending. I can see Sawyer with a headset, spewing nicknames to his enemies.

[Winnow]

We're all dead. The candidates were the only people left alive on Earth. They failed so now no one is left except Ben in Purgatory.

[miir]

No, I think Hurley and Ben were dead, it just didn't happen right away. Both of them had "forgotten" their real lives in the flash.... gatories? Fuck. And they talked to each other about doing a good job on the island in the past tense. I dunno if it's even safe to say Hurley created it, tho it's definitely a possibility.

Just watched it again... and the first time I missed that Ben said you made (not make) a good number 1.

So that would mean the church 'timeline' (bringing everyone back together) was created by Hurley while he was the island's protector and when that was done, he passed the job on to Ben... which was what Ben really wanted all along.

[Kluden]

Doesn't Christian say to jack, something along the lines of, "you all created this place"? Go to that scene and check those lines out. I don't think Hurley created anything...and I'm not sure Ben is "alive" still either. Either way, we will never know, because these are things the creators chose to ignore in the story telling, and concentrate on characters and their development, leaving out the main character of the show...the island.

[miir]

This is a place you all made togther so you could find one another

Since Hurley's 'thing' for 6 seasons was helping everyone else... I assume that it was his job to help put it all together.

[valryte]

The flash sideways is not an alternate reality. It's simply purgatory. Most of those characters still had unresolved issues that they felt they needed to take care of. The purgatory actually happens way after Jack has died, it just ran simultaneous to season 6 because frankly, who really wants to see a season 7 regarding their time in purgatory.

Some examples: Hurley hated his bad luck after winning the lotto and felt he was the cause for everything bad that happened around him. In purgatory he only had good luck, the plane didn't crash, he helped Locke find a job, he helped several people awaken/remember. Sayid wanted to protect and save his brother's wife who he loved as well. Sawyer still has a desire to take revenge on the con man that lead to the deaths of both his parents, except now he's expanded to all criminals and doing it legit as a cop. Kate is just Kate, still trying to help people, especially Jack who really helped her get over her past. Ben, well he still can't get past purgatory hence him not going in to the church. He wants to correct things with his daughter. And Jack, well he had all kinds of issues. Especially regarding his father hence the whole thing with his "son", who he never really had, but existed in purgatory to help him address his father issues. His biggest issue was Locke. He felt extremely responsible for Locke dieing (when Ben killed him while trying to commit suicide) and needed to do something to make up for it which was him "fixing" him and helping him walk again.

In the end, that place in purgatory was created by all of them to help each other move on as ultimately they were all the most important part of each others lives. The statement that everyone dies is probably best emphasized when Miles pulls the gray hair from Richard's head who at one point was immortal. Not only that, but they also touched on the idea that now that he wasn't immortal he wanted to live. Jack's father pretty much answers the questions about whether the island was real, if what happened actually happened, what the flash sideways was, even touching on a topic that the show tried to convey, which is the ago old question of what the meaning of life is.

CHRISTIAN: Hey kiddo.

Jack turns to see his father.

JACK: Dad?
CHRISTIAN: Hello Jack.
JACK: I don't understand - you died.
CHRISTIAN: Yeah. Yes I did.
JACK: Then how are you here right now?
CHRISTIAN: [sighs] How are you here?

Realisation dawns on Jack.

JACK: I died too.
CHRISTIAN: That's okay. That's okay.

They hug.

CHRISTIAN: That's okay son.
JACK: I love you Dad.
CHRISTIAN: I love you too, son.
JACK: Are you real?
CHRISTIAN: [laughs] I sure hope so. Yeah, I'm real. You're real. Everything that's ever happened to you is real. All those people in the church - they're all real too.
JACK: They're all - they're all dead?
CHRISTIAN: Everyone dies some time, kiddo. Some of them before you, some long after you.
JACK: Why are they all here now?
CHRISTIAN: Well, there is no 'now' here.
JACK: Where are we, Dad?
CHRISTIAN: This is a place that you all made together, so that you could find one another. The most important part of your life was the time that you spent with these people. That's why all of you are here. Nobody does it alone Jack - you needed all of them, and they needed you.
JACK: To do what?
CHRISTIAN: To remember. And to let go.
JACK: Kate... she said we were leaving.
CHRISTIAN: Not leaving, no. Moving on.
JACK: Where are we going?
CHRISTIAN: Let's find out.

The fact is if at the end the only thing important to you are unanswered questions about what the island is, what the "magical" properties were all about, what really caused Jacob's brother to get turned into the smoke monster, then it's pretty sad and you're probably as lost as the characters were. See what I did there Anyways, I'm sure some studio exec somewhere is salivating and the thought of making a "Lost Answers" DVD.

[Lynks]

No, I think Hurley and Ben were dead, it just didn't happen right away. Both of them had "forgotten" their real lives in the flash.... gatories? Fuck. And they talked to each other about doing a good job on the island in the past tense. I dunno if it's even safe to say Hurley created it, tho it's definitely a possibility.

Just watched it again... and the first time I missed that Ben said you made (not make) a good number 1.

So that would mean the church 'timeline' (bringing everyone back together) was created by Hurley while he was the island's protector and when that was done, he passed the job on to Ben... which was what Ben really wanted all along.

I see it as they were all dead, but Ben decided to stay in purgatory to think about his past sins while others moved on into the light.

Ben: You made a great #1
Hurley: And you made a great #2

Both are dead. I see how you can see it though, but it is my understanding both have died doing their jobs. Had Ben taken over, shouldn't Hurley have said "and you were an alright #1 too dude"?

Also, Christian Sheppard even said that this "timeline" (purgatory or some variation of it) was created by ALL of them.

[Kaldaur]

Ben had no desire to move on. He just realized (in purgatory world) that Alex meant a great deal to him, and Rousseau expressed some interest. Why would he want to 'move on'? He had it pretty good there.

Hurley didn't create it. Like others have said, Christian Shepherd basically said this world was of their creation, not just Hurley's. He and Ben are both dead, as are all the others. I thought the episode was pretty clear on that.

[Kluden]

but like it or not, when you introduce that many variables and happenstances, your setting becomes a character, that is developed more and more with questions and answers, the same way you developed the characters of the show in Kate, Jack, etc etc...so forgetting the setting, the island, as a main character of the show, is a cop out.

That's all I'm saying. I still love the show, and I liked the ending. I just don't love the ending. There's not too many ways to express an ending to something you didn't know you were writing when you first pitched it.

[Boogahz]

'Lost' finale bonus footage on DVD

In an interview with G4's "Attack of the Show," "Lost" Emmy award winner Michael Emerson revealed that there is an "epilogue, a lost scene" on the upcoming "Lost" DVD collection that was not part of the series finale this past Sunday.

Emerson hinted that it will be around 14 minutes in length, and will explain more about what happened after Jack died on the island and Hurley and Ben took over as its protectors.

We were given an idea in one of the final scenes that these two were on the island for a long period of time, in an exchange between the two characters while in purgatory, but this is the first time we've been told that we might actually see some footage of their time "in charge."

It's unclear whether this footage will be part of the sixth season DVD set, or only in the full series set.

[Canelek]

Just did start to finish over the last four or five weeks. Really fucking fantastic stuff! I hit a bit of a wall on Season 4, but was able to ease into it after a few episodes.

I'll not really try to figure out the ins and outs of what was going on here...just some impressions:

First off, it was cool to see a few of the Deadwood cast here! Trixie, Silas and Sol Starr all were represented. Not as many as in Sons of Anarchy, but it is almost like they have contractual ties to each other. Rad!

It is really relationships that drove this one, aside from all the mystery and almost David Lynch-like oddities.

Didn't care for the love triangle (Jack/Sawyer/Kate). This was Kate's fault. I can't stand a character that can't make a fucking choice. It could have been because I felt her character became much weaker and increasingly unlikeable.That said, what a body! I could eat breakfast off of her midriff. Fabulous.

Claire/Charlie - Super hot Aussie chick. DONE. YES. She was, however, waaaay too judgmental regarding Charlie, who was one of the most endearing characters in the show. Well-played by hobbit-dude! Nice reunion at the end, that was sweet and helped ease the bummer of losing Charlie earlier in the series. I didn't feel they needed to go there with Claire going batshit--seemed rather excessive.

Sawyer/Juliette - Easily the most touching and well-acted reunion. Really fucking solid. Loved the offset timeline with Sawyer's character, and his interaction with Miles. I agree that the Sawyer character was one of the more well-developed of the series.

Jack - Very complex character, but gets lost due to the stupid decision making and over-brooding that was written in. Not very sympathetic until the very end. One of my favorites at the beginning of the series, however.

Michael/Walt - So glad Michael wasn't a constant in the later seasons. Aside from his relationship with Sun/Jin at the beginning, he was worthless.

Ben - Solid! And yeah, he took some beatings!

Jin/Sun - Good at times, great at others (mostly Jin), and sometimes difficult to watch, in past or present! Solid overall performances though.

Locke - Fantastic focal point for the writers. Although his past cut-scenes got a bit old, they really worked to flesh him out. I wanted to know more about how he learned all the badass early-series exploits (hunting, knives, etc.). I didn't really like that he didn't actually come back to life upon 2nd island arrival.

Overall, a really fucking great show! 8.5/10

[miir]

Dude, I think you missed someone, dude.
Duuuuuude.

[Canelek]

Missed a few but will need to make addendum!

[Canelek]

Hugo "Hurley" Reyes - Classic character progression from near-worthless yet always helpful to savior/hero. Excellent acting on his part, and his relationship with the chick was refreshing and certainly different than the usual. I wanted to see a bit more there before her demise--a bit too brief overall, but that followed the "luck" theme for the dude. I also enjoyed the acting by his parents. Always nice to have Cheech on board.

Desmond - Wow. This is a tough one since he was all over the board. I guess I was confused about how he was able to be cognizant of his other selves? I've never been big on figuring time juxtaposition out, and I won't bother here. Well-acted, and sometimes likable.

I think I have more confused points than review points...

Questions:

How the fuck was Ethan so strong? Charlie was all strung out, but it would be no easy chore to hang someone like that...

How did Man in Black become smoke monster? And what happened to him? Did I miss an episode?

May have to rewatch at some point.

Overall, a really fun ride.

[Lynks]

Man in Black. Its near the end of Season 6. The episode where you see the Man in Black and Jacob's story. Jacob killed his brother and dumped his body down the hole. Out came smokey and his brother's dead body. I think the Smoke Monster was just a demon that took whatever form it wanted.

[Canelek]

Ohhh. I remember the mom bashing him against the cave wall, so I must have missed a portion of an episode. So many to keep track of and I fell asleep a few times while staying up late!

[Fairweather Pure]

I have just finished the final episode of Lost and would like to share my opinions on the series with the other fans on VV.

My Lost history started with owning Season 1 on DVD when it was released. I watched in in 1 weekend with my girlfriend (now wife!). We really enjoyed it, but due to my work schedule I was unable to commit to watching the show at it's regular time slot. As the years went by, I picked up seasons 2-3 as soon as they were released but never made time to watch them. I bought seasons 4-6 at Christmas because they were on sale for 15$ each during some crazy sale somewhere. I still never watched them. Fast forward to several weeks ago at work when I noticed Lost was available via streaming, so I thought "what the hell" and started on season 2. Even though it had been years since I saw season 1, I was caught up to speed and sucked back in again in no time. It took about 3 weeks of watching whenever I had free time.

Seasons 1-3 are some of the best television I have ever watched. Inspired at times. The 4th seasons was weak, the 5th season brought it back up a notch, and IMO the 6th season was kind of a mess trying to shoehorn in the Jacob and evil twin nonsense explanation. I think what I liked most about the characters was how deeply flawed each one was. Even Sun, who was seemingly just a little innocent Korean flower was shown to be a cheating, lieing, cold hearted, murdering bitch. Yet, despite all the flaws, they were all enjoyable and likable characters that garnered my sympathy for their situations and choices.

Overall, the series left a great deal of dead end story lines and unanswered questions that I think really pulled it down a notch. All of the babies and kids should be connected to the island in some way. That was a major theme for many of the supporting and some of the major characters. They were bonded with the island as children and compelled to return. So what happens to Aaron, Sun/Jin's baby, and Walter? All of those stories were just dropped. I also think the "tacked on" nature of some of the story elements was highlighted by the end of the series.

My opinion on the last episode is that it felt oddly rushed and incoherent (the entire 6th season actually). Despite this, the emotional impact was undeniable. So, while emotionally I felt very satisfied, my intellectual side finds the ending as kind of shallow considering all the promise the show contained. The Kain and Able twin brother story and origins/reasons for everyone's situation was lazy, poorly thought out, and ridiculous. If the series had started out with this plot line, it would've only lasted one season.

My character assessments:

Locke - This was an amazing character IMO. He went through several personal and spiritual journeys during the show. The actor was fantastic. His character becoming the vessel of the bad guy was one of the worst things about the show IMO and a huge disservice to perhaps the best person and character on the island.

Sawyer - My favorite part about this character is when he lived 3 years in the 60's taking care of the other survivors stranded with him. In that time, he grew away from his selfish and harmful characteristics and into the leader and friend that those characteristics always held back. In short, he became a man. He did it because he had to, but once he did he embraced his role completely. This was one of my favorite, and IMO, most well done character journeys on the show.

Jack - They pulled off the "natural leader" amazingly well. His growth and change as a character were like a mix of both Locke and Sawyer's.

Kate - I appreciated her part in the love triangle, but as a person she didn't really develop that much compared to everyone else on the show. While many of the characters were transformed (some literally!) by the island, Kate stayed mostly the same, acting more of a catalyst for other's growth.

Desmond - He was amongst my favorite of the new additions. He was extremely likable, always honest, and always dependable. He seemed to be lacking the personal flaws that haunted every other character on the show, instead being thrust into situations as the solution as opposed to being or creating the problem. As a character on the island he was an enigma, so his use as such was very fitting.

Benjamin Linus - I thought he was the most consistently interesting and complex character on the entire show. Even during the final hour of the final episode I didn't know if he was going to just fuck everyone over for the thousandth time. And even though he always fucked everyone and you knew he was going to do it again and again, it was somehow still fresh every time. That's a pretty amazing thing to pull off IMO. The dichotomy they created with him on the island and Benjamin the teacher was one of the most cutting and telling out of all the characters and basically justified the whole "purgatory" timeline for me based on his character alone.

Sayid - I loved this character. He had the heart and soul of a good man, but that good person was wrapped many layers deep in ass kicking and general bad assery. Yet, like Locke, this character was thrown away and wasted in the 6th season. There was no resolution to this character or the journey we had followed with him for the previous 5 seasons. He just...died. Such a waste.

Hugo - Everybody loves Hugo. I'm happy he ended up with his girlfriend. He really brought a mellow and grounded feel to the scenes he was involved in.

The Kwons - I liked the complexity of the individual characters and the relationship as well. It was really touching the way they died on the show. However, I felt the death was not fitting the struggle of the characters.

Eko - He was the perfect foil to the strong original characters already in play, particularly Locke. He was also the only character able to one up Sayid in terms of sheer violence and tragic consequence of being a product of his environment. His death was forgettable and way too soon. They sure did spend an awful lot of time on his back story and character development just to throw him away. Another wasted opportunity IMO.

I liked all the other characters as well, from Charlie (great, meaningful death IMO) to Faraday (who's mannerisms were some great, subtle acting), but once again I was left with a lot of questions. Many of these secondary characters got fucking shafted in the finale IMO. The pilot, Frank Lapidus, was a major secondary player and integral to several subplots and rescues. He was also an overall good guy without all the deep flaws exhibited by the main characters. Why wasn't he in the church? Why did he get the shaft and the brother/sister from season 1 were there? I don't know, lots of little things like that still nag at me after the finale...



Anyway, all of the actors and actresses were fantastic, and I contribute the ensemble cast with the success of the show. The writing itself was shaky at times and some of the story arcs were lacking, but the actors propped them up admirably. Several of these people have already gone on to further their careers, while others have dropped off the face of the earth (for now). Oddly enough, the latest Entertainment Weekly cover is all the Lost actors and a "Where are they now?" issue. Naveen Andrews (Sayid) was irritatingly missing from the round up, along with many others I was interested in.