Why wouldn't they accept it? If you are required to have that information on you, then you are going to be in trouble if you fail to produce it. If you are talking about actual citizens, then it is a different ballgame as they are not required to carry anything. That of course is pretty much the same in every goddamn country in the world, but I know the US should be more lenient so you foreign faggots have something to whine about.Zaelath wrote:That would be a 4th ammendment issue, and no, I don't think any legal resident that got jail time for failing to produce his papers would accept it at all.Forthe wrote:Make the police verify the legallity of EVERYONE and the racist issue goes away. I'm sure white legal residents will do their part and accept the risk of short stints in jail anytime they forget their papers.
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Nice to see that your grammar nazi attitude extends to other languages. What a prick.
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Just because you're the fuck-up doesn't make me a grammar nazi.Fairweather Pure wrote:Nice to see that your grammar nazi attitude extends to other languages. What a prick.
They quote a high Latino population, yet they obviously failed to consult with them about the name to be used on the jerseys.
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Or it could be a nod to the Latino population without giving up the brand that they have worked hard to create or confusing their fans that don't speak Spanish.Boogahz wrote:Just because you're the fuck-up doesn't make me a grammar nazi.Fairweather Pure wrote:Nice to see that your grammar nazi attitude extends to other languages. What a prick.
They quote a high Latino population, yet they obviously failed to consult with them about the name to be used on the jerseys.
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It's a gesture not a phrasebook
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I think it is a awesome gesture.
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They should make sure to put the name on the correct uniform as well since they are supporting felons.


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For years it's annoyed me that the people most likely to run into illegal immigrants - local law enforcement weren't allowed to look at their papers, hold them or anything else when they were found to be lacking and when criminal\other charges weren't warranted. I understand the reasons behind that, and agree with them to a certain extent.
Yes profiling is wrong, does this legislation allow them to stop and check someone just because they look foreign? Or does it require probable cause like a speeding stop or what-have-you? In the first case I'd agree that it's likely unconstitutional, in the second case I'm all for it.
As was noted earlier other than the potential profiling aspect this doesn't seem to anything new other than state agencies are allowed to enforce existing federal law.
Yes profiling is wrong, does this legislation allow them to stop and check someone just because they look foreign? Or does it require probable cause like a speeding stop or what-have-you? In the first case I'd agree that it's likely unconstitutional, in the second case I'm all for it.
As was noted earlier other than the potential profiling aspect this doesn't seem to anything new other than state agencies are allowed to enforce existing federal law.
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If you read an article on espndeportes.com.mx, about any American team, they don't translate the team names, they simply refer to them with the proper article (e.g. los Broncos, el Magic, and - gasp - los Suns). I fail to see how what the Suns are doing is any different. Suns is the team name, Soles is not. Putting the Spanish article for "the" in the name as a nod to the Hispanic community on Cinco de Mayo is pretty cool in my book.
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i'm not going to quote your wall of text sueven but here is what it does:
LEOs, at their discretion, can now detain people who cannot prove their citizenship until either they or the fed can prove they are a citizen. that's it.
they aren't required to enforce it, and numerous departments have stated that they won't be enforcing it. the state does not want to enforce it because of the ensuing financial clusterfuck. the whole debate and faux white people outrage over this is just as stupid as the bill itself.
ps, go ahead and boycott us california, have fun with your rolling black outs all summer.
i do wish we'd get the national guard on our borders though. there was a shootout in the desert not all that far from my city where a sheriff's deputy got shot twice by drug runners.
LEOs, at their discretion, can now detain people who cannot prove their citizenship until either they or the fed can prove they are a citizen. that's it.
they aren't required to enforce it, and numerous departments have stated that they won't be enforcing it. the state does not want to enforce it because of the ensuing financial clusterfuck. the whole debate and faux white people outrage over this is just as stupid as the bill itself.
ps, go ahead and boycott us california, have fun with your rolling black outs all summer.
i do wish we'd get the national guard on our borders though. there was a shootout in the desert not all that far from my city where a sheriff's deputy got shot twice by drug runners.
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probably every single time the police stop them since the first question they ask is for ID already.Canelek wrote:It's not about whether someone is illegal or legal, it is about profiling. When is the last time someone from the UK was asked for identification in AZ, unless it was for a traffic stop?
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they've been doing los suns way before this even became news.Boogahz wrote:dunno, but I think it is a bad publicity stunt. You would think that he would at least have the sense to find out what the name of the team would actually BE in Spanish. It is like the idiots who think that adding "o" on the end of the word automatically translates into Spanish. If he were getting jerseys that said Los Soles, I might view it differently.
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and for the record, the only thing that pisses me off about illegals is that they can't get insured so they all drive around without insurance and if they get in an accident it's usually a hit and run leaving someone f'd in the a.
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this bill should let them get car insurance!
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No, that's not it. JFC read the law. Or just go read my wall of text again, where I explain some of the ADDITIONAL things that it does.stragi wrote:LEOs, at their discretion, can now detain people who cannot prove their citizenship until either they or the fed can prove they are a citizen. that's it.
they aren't required to enforce it, and numerous departments have stated that they won't be enforcing it. the state does not want to enforce it because of the ensuing financial clusterfuck. the whole debate and faux white people outrage over this is just as stupid as the bill itself.
Yes, that's why they have the jerseys on hand. They are wearing them for THIS GAME as a reaction to the law. Again, read the wall of text.stragi wrote:they've been doing los suns way before this even became news.
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well after reading your wall of text, I can say you are full of crap or you did not read it yourself.
That requires a stop for law enforcement purposes. That, as you being a lawyer should know, does not mean you can stop anyone for any damn reason you please. It would constitute said person being detained on a terry stop.
Nowhere in this law does it say anything about requiring an officer to determine the status of every person they come into contact with.....only on a lawful stop.
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Lets break that part of the law down here:B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).
FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL
That requires a stop for law enforcement purposes. That, as you being a lawyer should know, does not mean you can stop anyone for any damn reason you please. It would constitute said person being detained on a terry stop.
When a lawful stop is made, the officers will be asking for identification. If said person gives any reason at all to make them think they may not be a citizen, then they are required by this law to determine if said person is an illegal alien.WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON.
Nowhere in this law does it say anything about requiring an officer to determine the status of every person they come into contact with.....only on a lawful stop.
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It doesn't matter. This SB1070 doesn't solve shit. Our drug problem in this country and the corporations who hire illegal immigrants are the root of the immigration problems in this country. Once we solve those problems, we solve the immigration problem. And we can do all that without building any goddamn walls or infringing on anyone's civil liberates.
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That and that it's.....Sueven wrote:
Yes, that's why they have the jerseys on hand. They are wearing them for THIS GAME as a reaction to the law. Again, read the wall of text.
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Sure. You're right-- the law doesn't require law enforcement to search everyone they come into contact with, if by come into contact with you mean, like, walk by on the street. I just kind of assumed that police wouldn't have reasonable suspicion that someone was illegal unless they were dealing with that person in a law enforcement context-- I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.Kilmoll wrote:Nowhere in this law does it say anything about requiring an officer to determine the status of every person they come into contact with.....only on a lawful stop.
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I don't know how that has any impact on any of the arguments against it. The idea that police will question any hispanic person they see is clearly hyperbole. So is the idea that police will pull over any black man they see driving a car. But nobody serious argues that those things are true.
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Charles Barkley may take issue with that one 
seriously, point is that this law does not help anyone except for the polititians pushing a hardcore conservative agenda. Nobody wants illegals, but do they deserve to be treated as less than human? And even better, do the individuals and families that have paid their dues to be a part of this country deserve a sideways glance by law enforcement? Fuck that! In for a penny, etc. OUR country is a melting pot. Let's not blow out the fire.

seriously, point is that this law does not help anyone except for the polititians pushing a hardcore conservative agenda. Nobody wants illegals, but do they deserve to be treated as less than human? And even better, do the individuals and families that have paid their dues to be a part of this country deserve a sideways glance by law enforcement? Fuck that! In for a penny, etc. OUR country is a melting pot. Let's not blow out the fire.
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Sueven wrote:Sure. You're right-- the law doesn't require law enforcement to search everyone they come into contact with, if by come into contact with you mean, like, walk by on the street. I just kind of assumed that police wouldn't have reasonable suspicion that someone was illegal unless they were dealing with that person in a law enforcement context-- I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.Kilmoll wrote:Nowhere in this law does it say anything about requiring an officer to determine the status of every person they come into contact with.....only on a lawful stop.
Your witness counselor.
I don't know how that has any impact on any of the arguments against it. The idea that police will question any hispanic person they see is clearly hyperbole. So is the idea that police will pull over any black man they see driving a car. But nobody serious argues that those things are true.
You are missing the giant point. The law does NOTHING to make them do anything more than they already would be doing. If a law enforcement officer makes a Terry stop, then they are going to be asking for identification in every single case. That does not change whether you are black, white, asian, hispanic, or middle eastern. You get stopped for a law enforcement purpose, you are going to be run through to see if there are outstanding warrants. All this law really does on a street level is grant the local police in the state of Arizona the power to handle illegal immigrants that are arrested the way INS would.
All the people whining about it are saying they back the people breaking laws.
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The ironic thing is that immigration reform is non-partisan issue.Canelek wrote:seriously, point is that this law does not help anyone except for the polititians pushing a hardcore conservative agenda.
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You guys are all arguing about inconsequential bullshit. Canalek and Spang hit the nail on the head about how to solve the immigrant problem; you attack the people making money off of it. I mean, W couldn't even get reform through with a GOP majority because too many people stood to lose money off of it if he did. That speaks volumes.
The real reason for this law (other than the current gov pandering to the rednecks) is voter caging. The honkeys are starting to realize that the beaners (the legal ones even) drastically outnumber them. This is a last line in the sand to keep them from actually excercising their voting power, similar to "off duty" cops putting roadblocks up in back neighborhoods in Florida during the last two election cycles. It has dick all to do with actual immigration reform.
The real reason for this law (other than the current gov pandering to the rednecks) is voter caging. The honkeys are starting to realize that the beaners (the legal ones even) drastically outnumber them. This is a last line in the sand to keep them from actually excercising their voting power, similar to "off duty" cops putting roadblocks up in back neighborhoods in Florida during the last two election cycles. It has dick all to do with actual immigration reform.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the Current Events Forum!Jice Virago wrote:You guys are all arguing about inconsequential bullshit.
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As a resident of Tucson, I understand both sides of the issue. I have issues with enacting the law, and I have issues with the status quo of looking the other way. I think it's fair to say, based on years of half-hearted debate and the continuing lack of substantive change, that something was needed to bring this issue to the front burner again.
I am personally friends with a rancher in Cochise County who sleeps with shotguns (note the plural) next to the bed due to the danger represented by illegals moving across her property every single night. Theft of equipment has become such a problem that many farmers and ranchers find it impossible to continue doing business, or are forced to guard their property in round-the-clock shifts. A rancher was killed on his ranch just last month- in the middle of the day- and the tracks of his killer led police straight to the border.
Is it fair to say that something needs to be done? Is it fair to say the status quo is not working?
Right now, the status quo keeps illegals off the official radar. As a result, they can be exploited in many ways. They are held slave to sub-standard wages. They have an inability to seek police help and are more susceptible to crime- drug smuggling, people smuggling, forced prostitution, etc. They live their life in fear of being discovered. Is that what we want to maintain? If we have to examine current rules for entering legally, let's do that, but we can't let the current system keep going.
I have cop friends in the Tucson PD. They tell me the main advantage of this law will be that they will be able to detain an illegal immigrant without having to wait for ICE/BP to arrive on scene. This can literally take hours, and cops will often have to let someone go in order to respond to other calls. When I asked them about the racial profiling, one of them laughed and said, "Who the hell has time to do that? We get calls, we respond, we move on to the next one." I asked about ID'ing people on traffic stops. Response was, "In a normal stop, I ID the driver, but not usually everyone in the car. But, if there's something else going on like drugs or illegals or whatever, it's pretty obvious from the attitude rolling out of the car and then I run everyone's and do searches. Pretty standard procedure no matter who's in the car. Latinos, richy rich white kids, soccer moms, whoever."
I have good friends who are seriously torqued about the law. Others seriously in favor. I'm falling into the camp of "something needs to be done."
Just my thoughts and observations- I'm not pushing either view.
I am personally friends with a rancher in Cochise County who sleeps with shotguns (note the plural) next to the bed due to the danger represented by illegals moving across her property every single night. Theft of equipment has become such a problem that many farmers and ranchers find it impossible to continue doing business, or are forced to guard their property in round-the-clock shifts. A rancher was killed on his ranch just last month- in the middle of the day- and the tracks of his killer led police straight to the border.
Is it fair to say that something needs to be done? Is it fair to say the status quo is not working?
Right now, the status quo keeps illegals off the official radar. As a result, they can be exploited in many ways. They are held slave to sub-standard wages. They have an inability to seek police help and are more susceptible to crime- drug smuggling, people smuggling, forced prostitution, etc. They live their life in fear of being discovered. Is that what we want to maintain? If we have to examine current rules for entering legally, let's do that, but we can't let the current system keep going.
I have cop friends in the Tucson PD. They tell me the main advantage of this law will be that they will be able to detain an illegal immigrant without having to wait for ICE/BP to arrive on scene. This can literally take hours, and cops will often have to let someone go in order to respond to other calls. When I asked them about the racial profiling, one of them laughed and said, "Who the hell has time to do that? We get calls, we respond, we move on to the next one." I asked about ID'ing people on traffic stops. Response was, "In a normal stop, I ID the driver, but not usually everyone in the car. But, if there's something else going on like drugs or illegals or whatever, it's pretty obvious from the attitude rolling out of the car and then I run everyone's and do searches. Pretty standard procedure no matter who's in the car. Latinos, richy rich white kids, soccer moms, whoever."
I have good friends who are seriously torqued about the law. Others seriously in favor. I'm falling into the camp of "something needs to be done."
Just my thoughts and observations- I'm not pushing either view.
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a) I don't carry ID if I'm not driving, as far as anyone is concerned. I'll supply my name, that's it.Mak wrote:But, if there's something else going on like drugs or illegals or whatever, it's pretty obvious from the attitude rolling out of the car and then I run everyone's and do searches.
b) Unless there's some visible drugs in the car he searches idiots that invite the search. (in the US, here they can search your car based on "reasonable grounds", which I'm sure includes "acting nervous during a traffic stop" ^^)
I think a lot of the issues with illegals (you outlined above) are the same as the issues with drugs; if you regulated it and taxed the ass off it, the problem would solve itself...
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Well no shit.....but it IS regulated and the regulations are being ignored. If it was 20 million tax cheats, the feds would have put another 250,000 IRS agents on the streets to round them up and put them in prison.
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I never said I didn't read it, just that I wasn't going to quote it.Sueven wrote:No, that's not it. JFC read the law. Or just go read my wall of text again, where I explain some of the ADDITIONAL things that it does.stragi wrote:LEOs, at their discretion, can now detain people who cannot prove their citizenship until either they or the fed can prove they are a citizen. that's it.
they aren't required to enforce it, and numerous departments have stated that they won't be enforcing it. the state does not want to enforce it because of the ensuing financial clusterfuck. the whole debate and faux white people outrage over this is just as stupid as the bill itself.
Yes, that's why they have the jerseys on hand. They are wearing them for THIS GAME as a reaction to the law. Again, read the wall of text.stragi wrote:they've been doing los suns way before this even became news.
Kilmoll pretty much explained it to you anyway.
I'm 100 percent right when you boil it down, and we can both agree its a stupid waste of time.
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I'm not arguing i'm just pointing out that the outrage over this is stupid because it doesn't really do anything and it's entire point is to cause a public outrage and garner attention and win votes from fogie wingnuts for a dumb bitch who wants to get elected.Jice Virago wrote:You guys are all arguing about inconsequential bullshit.
Kind of like how John McCain used to be cool but until he got slammed by W in 2000 and caved like a line towing bitch, and then had such an awkward campaign in 2008 as he finally realized that being a sane rational person doesn't win elections and you have to spew insane partisan Glenn Beck Karl Rove style hate to win, only he was too late to the game and not very good at it.
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You being wrong is a matter of fact, not opinion. Claiming that all it does is what you say is not true. Don't take my word for it:
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
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Even with all of this political trauma going on, the SUNS STILL SWEPT THE SPURS!
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Nah, it's being prohibited when you don't have the resources to enforce the prohibition. Not what I meant by "regulated" at all really...Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Well no shit.....but it IS regulated and the regulations are being ignored. If it was 20 million tax cheats, the feds would have put another 250,000 IRS agents on the streets to round them up and put them in prison.
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It's the intent that matters, not the goddamned details. I wish all publicity stunts could be so noble. Criticism like yours is equally deadly and pointless.Boogahz wrote:dunno, but I think it is a bad publicity stunt. You would think that he would at least have the sense to find out what the name of the team would actually BE in Spanish. It is like the idiots who think that adding "o" on the end of the word automatically translates into Spanish. If he were getting jerseys that said Los Soles, I might view it differently.
Ever been offended by anything on engrish.com?
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2 years ago? Me thinks not.
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k broSueven wrote:You being wrong is a matter of fact, not opinion. Claiming that all it does is what you say is not true. Don't take my word for it:
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
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Ha! Take that you power sucking bastards!
Arizona power official threatens to pull plug on Los Angeles over immigration law boycott
By Shelby Grad, Los Angeles TimesMay 19, 2010 6:06 PM
LOS ANGELES — A member of an Arizona board that oversees utilities has suggested that they cut power transfers to Los Angeles because of the city’s boycott in connection with the state’s anti-immigration crackdown.
Gary Pierce, a member of the Arizona Corporate Commission, sent a letter to Los Angeles officials Tuesday discussing the possibility that Arizona cut power to Los Angeles from generators in that state. It’s unclear whether Pierce’s suggestion has any support from other members of the commission — or whether such a cutoff is legally allowed.
"If an economic boycott is truly what you desire, I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation," he wrote in the letter. “I am confident that Arizona’s utilities would be happy to take those electrons off your hands. If, however, you find that the City Council lacks the strength of its convictions to turn off the lights in Los Angeles and boycott Arizona power, please reconsider the wisdom of attempting to harm Arizona’s economy."
Pierce’s letter is the latest chatter about some sort of Arizona backlash over the Los Angeles City Council’s boycott vote last week.
Councilman Tom LaBonge told KNBC News in Los Angeles that he met with Department of Water and Power officials about the letter on Wednesday. "We have right of ownership of the power plants," he told the station. "We partially own them."
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That guy's probably going to lose his job. He's not allowed to do that. Further, if they did cut their power, Arizona would lose a ton of money.
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Pretty ballsy on both ends. Would this be a...
Mexican Standoff??
Mexican Standoff??
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The SourceLADWP To Arizona: ‘Suck It, We Own Your Power Plants’
Los Angeles Department of Water and Power general manager Austin Beutner just delivered a very quick, very brutal public response to some Arizona energy commissioner’s jackass threat to cut the electricity flowing from that racist state to LA. It is terse and kickass, and you must read it, in its entirety.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
General Manager’s Statement Regarding LADWP Power Generation Assets in Arizona
“I want to make clear that we support the City position regarding the recent law enacted in Arizona and the resolution adopted by the Los Angeles City Council.
On any given day, we receive 20 – 25% of our power from two power plants located in Arizona: Navajo, a coal-fired plant, and Palo Verde, a nuclear plant.
We are part owner of both power plants, which are generating assets of the Department. As such, nothing in the City’s resolution is inconsistent with our continuing to receive power from those LADWP-owned assets.
I might add that, as the City’s Job Czar, I certainly would welcome any conventions or meetings that were going to be held in Arizona to come to Los Angeles. We have fantastic facilities and incomparable weather and we’d welcome them to the City of Angels.”
- Austin Beutner, General Manager, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power
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So it turns out that some blowhard from Arizona was talking about something he didn't really know anything about?
There's a first time for everything...
There's a first time for everything...

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LA fags aren't really serious about a boycott. Symbolic bullshit.The Washington Post reported that an Arizona regulator is considering a response to the Los Angeles city council’s vote to boycott Arizona businesses because of the new immigration law. Gary Pierce, and Arizona Corporation Commission Member, wrote the mayor of LA citing his support for the boycott as well as threatening to cut off electricity to Arizona supplied LA homes and businesses.
Pierce also said that the city should rethink the boycott if they are not prepared to also boycott Arizona power companies and turn off their lights. He wanted to stress not only the fact that a boycott of Arizona businesses is already unjust and wrong, but that it is OK to disagree over the law, but it should not be carried to something that may hurt the economies of local businesses.
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Winnow, what's your opinion of the law as a piece of public policy? Good, bad, indifferent?
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Actually, there are a lot of major cities that have official boycotts in place already.Winnow wrote:LA fags aren't really serious about a boycott. Symbolic bullshit.The Washington Post reported that an Arizona regulator is considering a response to the Los Angeles city council’s vote to boycott Arizona businesses because of the new immigration law. Gary Pierce, and Arizona Corporation Commission Member, wrote the mayor of LA citing his support for the boycott as well as threatening to cut off electricity to Arizona supplied LA homes and businesses.
Pierce also said that the city should rethink the boycott if they are not prepared to also boycott Arizona power companies and turn off their lights. He wanted to stress not only the fact that a boycott of Arizona businesses is already unjust and wrong, but that it is OK to disagree over the law, but it should not be carried to something that may hurt the economies of local businesses.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
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Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
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Austin's has been in effect. Planned trips were already cancelled for any city business.
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Temp fate much more and The Republic of Arizona shall rise up and crush its disrespecting neighbors. We can send wave after wave of RV's to clog California's Highways....line our borders with a sea a Saguaros, creating an impenetrable wall.
Think twice before awakening this state from its siesta!
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Dude, AZ can't even deal with the mexicans... I don't think Cali and Texas have too much to worry about.
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Oh, we got that covered skippy!miir wrote:Dude, AZ can't even deal with the mexicans... I don't think Cali and Texas have too much to worry about.

And that with zero help from Obama who could care less about border security.
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You get caught in Arizona, they arrest you and ship you back to Mexico to try again.
You get caught in Texas, you get shot and sent back in a body bag.
That leaves New Mexico and California which combined have like 1/3 the border of Arizona
You get caught in Texas, you get shot and sent back in a body bag.
That leaves New Mexico and California which combined have like 1/3 the border of Arizona

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I think public officials boycotting other municipalities is more of a travesty than this stupid state law that as near as I can tell has done jack shit other than rile everyone up.
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In 2005, the U.S. Supreme Court handed down a unanimous decision in Muehler v. Mena that questioning someone regarding their immigration status is not a violation of Fourth Amendment rights - provided that person is already lawfully detained.
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case? ... 2&as_vis=1
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case? ... 2&as_vis=1
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