LOST: Season 6 - Possible [SPOILERS]

[Sylvus]

It does make sense though I guess, since one of the Kwon's was on "the list".

I don't think that matters. Remember, Smokey manipulated them onto the sub with the explosive in the hopes that they'd try to disarm it, thereby killing themselves at their own hand instead of by Smokey's (if Jack's line of thinking is correct, and I think it is). Because Sawyer tried to disarm it, rather than acting on Jack's faith, that fulfilled the condition of how candidates could die, and sparked the whole scenario wherein Sayid tried to get the bomb as far from the others (not the Others) as possible before it exploded. That allowed some of them to live and caused some of them to die.

I think Lapidus was only around because without him, the wholly intact plane on Hyrda island doesn't do the script much good. Once there was no longer any need for the plane (which, be real, there was no runway or anything for them to take off with, there was never going to be anything going on with that plane), there wasn't any need for Lapidus.

I think that as far as Island-reality is concerned, the Kwons are dead (for now at least; who knows what will happen when LAX-reality does whatever it is going to do).

[Dregor Thule]

I wouldn't put it past them to do that, but I wouldn't put money on it!

[Kaldaur]

Good point Sylvus. When I saw him get hit, I assumed he'd do something else, because surely they wouldn't have kept him around for all this only to be killed by a door. His character hadn't served any purpose all season except to make a comment about good bacon. Of course, they did the same thing with Ilyena, so I guess that argues against my reasoning. I think the strongest reason against that is there is no parent for their baby now, and that just doesn't seem very Lost-y.

[Dregor Thule]

Eyyyyyyyyyyyyy, don't talk about bacon!

[Winnow]

I watched every episode of Lost, Season 1 through the current Season 6 episodes over the past three weeks.

I'll post my thoughts about the characters and story later. Looking forward to the final two episodes. I had no idea about the show....not a clue, heading into it, making the experience more enjoyable. I managed to stay away from all Lost web sites and forum discussions.

After listening to the Lost closing credits song 80+ times, I may have lost part of my noodles and have a special dance for it when it comes on at the end of the show.

[miir]

I watched every episode of Lost, Season 1 through the current Season 6 episodes over the past three weeks.

It's pretty scary that you watched 4 full days worth (93ish hours) of Lost over the span of 21 days.
That's nearly 6 episides a day.


Do you have agoraphobia or something?
Don't you have a job, friends or any sort of social life?

[Winnow]

I watched every episode of Lost, Season 1 through the current Season 6 episodes over the past three weeks.

It's pretty scary that you watched 4 full days worth (93ish hours) of Lost over the span of 21 days.
That's nearly 6 episides a day.


Do you have agoraphobia or something?
Don't you have a job, friends or any sort of social life?

Hi Fag.

It's not 96ish hours when you watch via Netflix without commercials douche.

I took a week off and watched the bulk of the shows during that time. I like to marathon TV series while doing other things on my PC, etc. It is possible to multitask. My social life remained intact during the experience.

[miir]

121 episodes at approx 46 minutes each....


That's 4 of the past 21 days you sat on your ass watching TV by yourself.

[miir]

What's the appropriate reaction to someone taking a week off to watch TV?

[Winnow]

What's the appropriate reaction to someone taking a week off to watch TV?

Who took a week off to watch TV?


Exactly how many hours did you spend watching Lost as compared to myself? Did you sit through commercials as well?

Are you next going to try and compare the merits of wasting time on Video Games that require even less thinking to TV shows?

What a clown.

[miir]

Getting a little defensive there, aren't we?

I'd be worried if any of my friends watched 5+ hours of TV a day or if they took time off work to watch television.

You might want to consider profesisonal help.
That's a very unhealthy lifestyle.

[miir]

Who took a week off to watch TV?

Umm

I took a week off and watched the bulk of the shows during that time.

So you basically watched 10-12 hours of Lost per day during that week?
Yea, that's pretty much taking a week off to watch TV.

[Winnow]

Getting a little defensive there, aren't we?

I'd be worried if any of my friends watched 5+ hours of TV a day or if they took time off work to watch television.

You might want to consider profesisonal help.
That's a very unhealthy lifestyle.

Listen fag,

I watch very little TV (shows). When I do, it's usually in marathon format. That way I don't waste time like you on commercials and, god forbid if you're stupid enough, waiting for the showtime each week, making an event of it or something else equally gay. It seems you're functioning under limited brain capacity that won't allow you to do two things at once. Lost was not my primary purpose. It was on while I involved myself with other things. If you had to focus your full attention on Lost, don't bother taking an IQ test. You'll be disappointed.

As for what I do on my vacations. I get 5 weeks. I personally don't like traveling on all of my vacations. I've also already been more places than you will ever go so get back to me if you catch up in that department.

Clown. Nice trolling though.

[miir]

Oooh, it looks like I hit a nerve.

I'm not the one who leads a creepy, shut-in lifestyle. I have no need to make excuses for or justfy my lifestyle choices.
Do you even have Have you ever had a girlfriend?

[Winnow]

Oooh, it looks like I hit a nerve.

I'm not the one who leads a creepy, shut-in lifestyle. I have no need to make excuses for or justfy my lifestyle choices.
Do you even have Have you ever had a girlfriend?

Wow. Your life must blow chunks to be questioning viewing habits, relationships, etc. I felt the need to enlighten you on the possibilities since you seemed honed in on personal issues that must stem from the fuckload of video games you spend time on, which, unlike a TV show, require your full attention much more than a dumbed down prime time TV show.

[Dregor Thule]

Jesus, will you two just fuck and release the tension already?

[miir]

Wow. Your life must blow chunks to be questioning viewing habits, relationships, etc. I felt the need to enlighten you on the possibilities since you seemed honed in on personal issues that must stem from the fuckload of video games you spend time on, which, unlike a TV show, require your full attention much more than a dumbed down prime time TV show.

Relax man.
I had no idea that you'd get so seriously defensive and upset at cracks about your (lack of a) social life.
I was just fuckin with ya.

I'll stop now, and I'll consider the topic off-limits with you in the future.

[Winnow]

I'm assuming you're just trying to stir things up due to my comments on the video forum. I can't imagine why anyone would otherwise be concerned with how someone chooses to view a TV series. Bringing up girlfriends is one step up from calling someone a Nazi in defense of a position on the net.

I've watched the first six episodes of Spartacus: Blood and Banana Hammocks. I've been sure to pace myself, even giving myself two days between episode 5 and 6. I promise to throw in an a trip to the nudy bar after watching more than 2 episodes in a row the same day before resuming my viewing.

[Lynks]

Cool. Miir ruins another topic.

[miir]

Oh gimme a fucking break.
Winnow has faggoted up more threads on VV than everyone else combined.


This thread was dead anyway.
There's nothing much to talk or speculate about as the series is ending in a few weeks.

[Boogahz]

[miir]

Not until I hit 10k posts!

[Xouqoa]

Fucking social life nazi.

Ban incoming at 9999 posts.

Also, I have a man crush on Desmond. I would totally do him if I were into guys.

[miir]

Ban incoming at 9999 posts.

fucker

[miir]

Ugg... There's just going to be too many unanswered questions.
They've dug such a big hole there's no way they can find enough dirt to fill it up.

I'm really looking forward to the finale just so I'll no longer be compelled to come up with theories.

[Lynks]

They have 3.5 hours to talk about Aaron and what's up with the whole not being raised by someone else.

Jacob part 2?

[miir]

That was perfect.

[Kluden]

I'm not sure. I'm left with the feeling of wanting more, but when don't you get that with a series end? After only watching it last night with more commercials than the super bowl, I will say I felt it was an average finish. Not great, not bad, just OK, that works.

I wonder what the actual footage of show is in length...my guess is around 1 hour. There were a lot of commercials...a lot...

[miir]

After only watching it last night with more commercials than the super bowl

The Superbowl has 12-13 minutes of commercials per hour.

I wonder what the actual footage of show is in length...my guess is around 1 hour.

105 minutes.

There were a lot of commercials...a lot...

I guess it's all about perception...
The average primetime show has 16 minutes of commercials per hour.
The Lost finale had 18.

[miir]

It has changed so much from Season 1, it is like watching an entirely different show. It looked like a great character study with strange things happening. Now it is a big GOOD Vs Evil showdown.

I still love it though.

And it ended as a great character study with a lot of strange things happening.

[Kluden]

So you didn't feel they had a commercial break way more often than normal? Maybe it was the way they fragmented the fuck out of the show...do you have that stat? I agree about perception, but is my perception really that far off? You felt it was completely normal viewing experience with 2 extra minutes an hour of commercials?

edit: I was just looking at someone's tracking of the final 72 minutes. 2:1 ratio, 48 minutes of show to 24 minutes of commercial. list of times

Clearly, it was a case of how the last hour + left me with a ton of breaks, and an excessive amount of commercials to make me think that overall there was more, when in reality it was just the latter half.

[Boogahz]

18 seems normal to me. Watching many tv shows on dvd, the total episode time tends to be around 42 minutes.

[miir]

So you didn't feel they had a commercial break way more often than normal?

They had like 2 extra commercial breaks (for a total of 5 minutes)over a 2 and a half hour span.
To be honest, at the time I didn't even notice. My wife made a comment about it around the end of hour two.

Watching many tv shows on dvd, the total episode time tends to be around 42 minutes.

Sounds about right after snipping a couple of minutes worth of reviews/previews

[Kluden]

Well, clearly your wife is also a genius like me then to have noticed!

I'm sure the reason it drove me a little batty is because I typically do not watch the night of the show because I'm not home on tuesdays. So, I torrent the episodes from eztv and watch them commercial free...just to watch the finale with full commercial regale, the added shock of the show actually stopping is probably the reason it felt so fragmented to me.

[miir]

So, I torrent the episodes from eztv and watch them commercial free...

I find it difficult to schedule my life around a TV show so I did the same through most of seasons 3, 4 and 5.
This season I actually watched every episode "live".

[Xouqoa]

I liked the ending. I thought it was appropriate for what was, ultimately, a character based drama with sci-fi undertones.

I didn't notice the commercials, since we fast forwarded through them. The Target ones were pretty clever though, I saw those on Youtube today.

[Kaldaur]

I loved the ending. I watched it on Hulu this morning, so I dodged the rush of commercials. The first seven segments of the show were broken down into 8-10 minute intervals, which is why you had so many commercials. The last two segments were 15-20 minutes. Thank God hulu only has one commercial per pause.

I can't say it enough, I loved the resolution. See, BSG? You can have a quality ending without vomiting all over your pants.

[Kluden]

I had heard they filmed 4 total different types of endings...or was that just hype for the fake jimmy kimmel stuff?

[Zaelath]

So, what was the wash out?

nevermind:

[Show]

Ah, purgatory again. That old chestnut.

[miir]

So, what was the wash out?

nevermind:

[Show]

Ah, purgatory again. That old chestnut.

Someone obviously didn't get it.

[Zaelath]

Someone obviously didn't get it.

Haven't watched it for 4 years because of the horrible promotion it received. OMG the monster will be on this time! Wait, no it won't. REALLY THIS TIME. Oh, no.. not as such. etc, etc, ad nauseum. Not that I even cared about the stupid monster, but I did want to know about the button and the numbers, which apparently was never explained...

If my spoiler is wrong (cause I'm just reading reviews), then feel free to explain.

[Dregor Thule]

ITT: Someone barfs up an opinion based on no actual knowledge.

The ending was great in my opinion. There was no way people wanting all the answers were ever going to be satisfied, that just could not happen. So for those watching the show to find out 'why', I can understand why they're not satisfied. I think of myself as more of a fan of 'how'. It was all about the journey, not about the final destination. There were plot holes aplenty, things left unexplained, and they obviously had no idea where they were going in the first two seasons, but when it comes down to it I feel like I got a complete story. One that I loved, and will miss.

[miir]

Haven't watched it for 4 years because of the horrible promotion it received. OMG the monster will be on this time! Wait, no it won't. REALLY THIS TIME. Oh, no.. not as such. etc, etc, ad nauseum. Not that I even cared about the stupid monster, but I did want to know about the button and the numbers, which apparently was never explained...

ROFL, you disliked the show because of the way the network promoted it?

If my spoiler is wrong (cause I'm just reading reviews), then feel free to explain.

The ending was about the relationships and friendships that came out of these extraordinary circumstances.

[Zaelath]

ITT: Someone barfs up an opinion based on no actual knowledge.

The ending was great in my opinion. There was no way people wanting all the answers were ever going to be satisfied, that just could not happen. So for those watching the show to find out 'why', I can understand why they're not satisfied. I think of myself as more of a fan of 'how'. It was all about the journey, not about the final destination. There were plot holes aplenty, things left unexplained, and they obviously had no idea where they were going in the first two seasons, but when it comes down to it I feel like I got a complete story. One that I loved, and will miss.

That's very interesting, but it wasn't what drove the interest in the show originally, and certainly not how it was sold.

Stargate:Universe is very much a character study with some sci-fi excuse for the situation they find themselves in, and I find it very watchable on that basis (a friend of mine whines when "nothing happens"), but the mystique of Lost was what got it such a large initial share and the constant teasing without resolution was what lost it share towards the end.

Then there's the quite deliberate and extensive "hint dropping" and a great proportion of the fan base sat around dissecting that shit in fine detail in an effort to solve the mystery, but now you pretend that didn't happen.

Whatever, I'm glad you enjoyed the show, I did too for a while, but regardless how amusing Miir finds it, teasing I can appreciate, however constantly misrepresenting the content of a show is tiring. If I sold you a porno that had a brilliant script but no sex you would be hard pressed to convince me you got what you paid for.

[miir]

The network's promotion of the show had zero bearing on my reasons for watching the show.



If you didn't enjoy the show for what it was, fine... but blaming the network adverts for not liking it is puzzling to say the least.

[Zaelath]

It doesn't do what it says on the tin, the large, ornate tin.

Your proposition that you don't care that the show's driver was the (unresolved?) mysteries, is just as baffling to me

[Winnow]

It was all about the journey, not about the final destination.

Hey, that's my line!

The final episode was average I'd say but the entire six seasons is a fantastic piece of character development. A show is nothing without characters you care for, be it like or hate.

I don't know how anyone could sit through commercials. I watched ever episode commercial free on Netflix or downloaded off the newsgroups and feel it made for a better experience. Commercials take you in and out of the story to often. While most can't manage their time as I do, I feel it's more rewarding to watch these types of shows in monster chunks.

Reflecting back on the entire six seasons, the first three were masterful. Season 4 was borderline horrible but regained the story near the end. It was almost as if a different producer took over the show after the first three seasons.

Richard Alpert: The mystery behind the un-aging man kept me intrigued all the way up until the Jacob/Smokey story unfolded in season six. I thought his ending was weak but he was a great character through the bulk of the seasons.

Kate Austin: The love triangle between Sawyer, Jack and Kate kept me guessing. Her character was strong through the first three seasons then sort of drifted of into lameness. Still, very memorable and I like to remember shows season by season so she remains a great character to me. (See HEROES...outstanding first season shouldn't be forgotten for the poor quality the following seasons produced)

Juliet Burke: She never really fit in anywhere but I suppose was placed in the show in order for everyone to be happy at the end...can't have a remaining love triangle when people are at the gates of heaven...or whatever. She had her moments.

Boone Carlye: His role ended too soon. I would have liked for him to have stuck around a little longer.

Ana Lucia Cortez: Great character. Entered with a bang and exited with a bang. She didn't overstay her welcome in the show yet provided some great moments.

Michael Dawson/Walter: Something went horribly wrong with these two. I'm guessing contract issues or they decided that it was too hard to time travel with a rapidly aging boy so wrote him out of he show. He went from seemingly important role (ghost appearances) to absolutely meaningless in the second half of Lost. Same pretty much goes for Michael Dawson (note: either in the finale). Still, I thought Dawson had some great moments in the first three seasons before they made him flip out.

Mr Eko: Another outstanding character that didn't outstay his welcome, providing for some great episodes. He deserved to stick around longer than her did.

Sawyer: My favorite character. I thought he was a horrible stereotype character in the beginning but he had some outstanding character development throughout the series. His ending was weak and it's a shame they tied up his character with Juliette.

Daniel Faraday: Cool character although sort of forgotten in the end.

Desmond Hume: Caused all sorts of confusion for me for the entire series. Liked his character a lot but think is part was a bit unexplained (even for this show).

Sayid: Kick ass character for the first three seasons....they destroyed him for the second half...absolutely horrible writing for his part. he gets huge props for the first three seasons. I'll remember his character for those seasons.

Jin-Soo Kwon, Sun-Hwa Kwon: Added value to the show. Glad they were around while at the same time, they could have not existed at all with little expense to the quality of the show.

Frank Lapidus: Worthless character with even more worthless ending.

Benjamin Linus: Probably second favorite character for his uniqueness. I never quite knew what he was going to do...he got the crap beat out of the second most next to Sawyer (then Jack). BTW, I attribute the healing qualities of the island to the absolute ass kickings so many characters took in this show and survived.

Claire: eh..so so first half, completely annoyed me second half.

John Locke: Excellent! Again, disappointed with ending and second half but this guy rocked the first three seasons and was still great through the entire show save perhaps the second half of season 6. Thank John Lockes's character for making Lost what it was (successful).

Hugo: I appreciate the effort. You did a good job dude.

Shannon: (Boone's sister). eh. A good early casualty.

Jack Shepard: Loved his character through about four seasons. Got sick to death of his moping through the last two seasons. Weak ending...a hell of a beginning for his character.

Miles Straume: (the dead people psychic) I though he was the most underused late addition character. He was entertaining and had more potential depth to explore. Deserved more air time.

Jacob/Smokey: Enjoyed their origin story but kind of weak overall.


Lost by season:

Season One: A
Season Two: A
Season Three: A
Season Four: D
Season Five: B
Season Six: C


Overall: B+ Well worth watching although I cried a little during the ending..not because I was sad at the story, but sad about the time i wasted on some of the episodes in Seasons Four and Six.

[Lynks]

I disagree about how you think Sawyer's ending was weak.

I thought it was the most touching reunion between any of the couples.

I would like to know what happened to Miles, Micheal, and Mr Eko. They were part of the island too.

[Kaldaur]

I agree, Winnow, that Boone's character checked out too early. I always found him to be the more interesting of the siblings (Shannon was kept around for eye candy). As for Michael and Walt, Walt was growing way too fast for the show's slow timeline (the first three encompass a relatively short amount of time, months if not weeks), and Michael had no purpose once his son was gone.

You forgot my favorite character: Charlie. I loved Charlie and Claire's relationship in the first three seasons, and I thought his story arc was the most compelling. We have a drug user who started to get over his feelings of guilt and anger, only to find a drug supply on the island. He has to try and balance his desire to be a good man for Claire and the baby with his need to use. What a great arc, and I was looking forward to his reunion with Claire so much.

Desmond still wasn't explained, even a little. There were some vague statements about how he was unique and special, but there was not even the slightest attempt to fill us in. That's one of my only gripes about the finale: what exactly was he, and why was he able to do the things he could? Still, it's a little thing, and overall, Lost ended just the way it began, in more ways than one. I think the Jack ending was phenomenal, and such a poetic ending to see him lying in a bamboo field, watching a plane fly overhead as he died. Wonderful.

[Gzette]

After a few days contemplating, I found that the "everyone's dead" ending was a very effective way to end the show, but somewhat of a cop out. I get that not all of the questions were going to be answered. As Jacob's (fake) mother said, "Each answer leads to more questions." Even in the final episode things were wonky. The light in the cave turned Evil Locke into Capt. Smokey, but when Desmond touched it, it just made him tired. Then when Jack turns the light back on, he just gets really tired too? WTF is going on there? And how did Jacob's brother move that rock to become Smokey when Jacob tossed his ass down their unconscious? When the fun was in the mysteries, I can't help when even the most central mysteries are still left unsolved, or exacerbated with plot holes. You decide.

It was an emotionally good ending. "They all died happily ever after." The "remembering" moments pulled on the heart strings. They left me choked up at some points. Still, I can't help but ponder the mysteries! What with the alternate timeline (the flash sideways)? It only existed as a construct to bring friends together in the afterlife? What about the H-bomb that created that timeline? Did they all die then? If yes, then why were they back on the island at all after the explosion?

Obviously, the number of question marks in this post should show you that I wanted some of those mysteries solved in order to gain some satisfaction. I wasn't asking them to reveal the meaning of life or anything.