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According to the article, I am not middle class, which I always assumed I was. Apparently I am one of the rich elite and I expect to be treated as such around here. :D
Income - more
Housing - at one point the house was worth 500K, but sitting around 275,000 now. I spend about 3K a month on the mortgage.
Home - smaller
Medical Expenses - I have spent almost 3 times their average for the last 7 years.
Cars - I have a company car, so we have one car, a mini cooper for the wife. Payments are about 3k a year, but we pay more then that.
College - I suck at this and will pay badly for it in about 3 more years.
Vacations - We spend more.
Retirement - We save much more.
Hours worked - hard to say, I work all the time on paperwork after hours, but not required too, I actually enjoy my job and I can't just sit and watch tv so why not do your monthly report at the same time? Wife works three 12's a week with some overtime.
Education - wife degree, me - about 6 classes short. We got married before we graduated college and I got a job that I did very well at. I intend to go back soon, I do not want the kids to think you do not need college to make money and be successful and I was so close to graduation.
Everyday spending - My electric bill is about 6500 a year alone. So we blow this one away. Plus the wife loves those 100-200 dollar jeans. She makes me wear that crap too, when a pair of 30 dollar levis would be fine with me.
Top Priority -Healthy and happy wife and kids
Debt - definitely higher than I want, but we have cut it in half now that my wife has a degree. Made the decision to live on one income for 5 years while wife went back to work and now we are digging ourselves out of that debt.
Net worth - no clue.


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Despite the so-called recovery, many families continue to struggle, with income and other living standards slipping below thresholds that typically represent middle-class quality of life.

We've assembled a variety of metrics to help determine whether you're getting ahead, holding steady or slipping further than most.

Income
For the 50% of families in the middle of the scale, household income ranges from $51,000 to $123,000 for a typical two-parent, two-child family. The median is about $81,000.
America's middle class
Those numbers, from 2008, have probably fallen by 5% to 7% since then because of the recession.

Median income for a single-parent, two-child family is about $25,000.

Housing costs
For two-parent families, the typical home is worth about $231,000 and accounts for $17,600 in mortgage payments and other costs per year.

Housing costs have risen more than twice as fast as income since 1990, a trend that may be reversing as housing prices weaken.

Home size
The housing bubble was one factor that boosted housing costs, but the typical family also now lives in a much bigger home. From 1979 to 2007, the median size of a new single-family home grew by 40%, to about 2,300 square feet.

That trend may now also be reversing as families downsize from homes they can't afford.

Medical expenses
As you've probably heard, health care costs are going through the roof. A study by the middle-class task force headed by Vice President Joe Biden says the median two-parent family spends $5,100 per year on health insurance and non-covered expenses -- assuming an employer provides health insurance.

Health care costs have risen far more than any other aspect of the family budget since 1990, with no end in sight.

Cars
They provide mobility and represent freedom, one reason the typical family spends about $12,400 per year on two medium-sized sedans or the equivalent, with a total new-car value of $45,000.

The recession may have dampened our love of the road, however: Americans are driving less and car sales are off about 40%.

College savings
The typical family puts aside $4,100 for college expenses for two kids, estimated to cover about 75% of expenses at a state university. Financial aid helps with the rest.

But parents who want to continue funding their children’s education at these levels should toss more into their college funds. As states face budget crunches, tuition and fees are likely to rise more sharply.

Vacations
One week at the beach or another destination is standard, at a cost of $3,000 or so for a family of four.
More affluent families can afford two weeks, at around twice that cost.

Retirement savings
At the median income, a family that saves 3.2% of its income -- roughly equivalent to the national savings rate -- puts away nearly $2,600 per year for retirement.

Of course, many families don't hit even that modest goal, and stock-market losses over the last several years have further shrunk investors’ nest eggs.

Everyday spending
Clothes, food, utilities, entertainment and other living expenses amount to $14,200 a year for a median-income family.
Not surprisingly, these are among the expenses many families are trying to reduce, by buying more discount brands, using less or doing without.

Number of earnings
In 76% of two-parent families, both parents work.

The higher the household income, the more likely that both parents are contributing.

Hours worked
Few parents would be surprised to hear that Moms and Dads are working more than they used to. The total number of hours worked in a two-parent family is 3,747 per year, up 5% since 1990.

The increased hours add up to more than four 40-hour weeks of additional work per family.

Education
The typical household head has a high school degree plus about two years of college education, up by more than a full year of college since 1990.
That’s a good thing; education is a key factor in lifetime earnings, and high school dropouts face a dimmer future by nearly every measure.

Free time
What's your top priority? In a 2008 poll by the Pew Research Center, it wasn't healthy kids, a strong marriage or a great career; 68% of respondents said it was free time.

And just 12% said that being wealthy was the top priority.

Household net worth
The typical household has a net worth of about $84,000, according to the Federal Reserve.

That's down 30% since 2007, thanks to losses in stock portfolios and declining home values.

Debt
About 18% of disposable income, on average, goes toward mortgage payments, auto loans, credit cards and other forms of household debt.

That's a bit higher than it was in the '70s and '80s. But since debt payments peaked at the beginning of 2008, at 18.9% of income, they've been steadily falling.
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Tyek wrote:Apparently I am one of the rich elite and I expect to be treated as such around here. :D
Okay, go fuck yourself. 8)
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Spang wrote:
Tyek wrote:Apparently I am one of the rich elite and I expect to be treated as such around here. :D
Okay, go fuck yourself. 8)
HAHA. Thanks for the first laugh of the day.
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I'm middle class.

2 SUVs, payments on both.

1 house bought for around 150k, no idea what it's worth now. Payments are around 1200 a month. We could easily buy a home worth twice as much, on lakefront, with all the bells and whistles. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should! Besides, we absolutely love our home. If we cannot add on, we will be forced to move anyway. I'm not looking forward to that if it comes to pass.

Debt that was accumulated during our 20's is being paid off during our 30's, and there is a lot. My wife has everything mapped out and it's looking good. It will be a great day for our family when all debt is gone, (other than house).

Our combined income is more than any of my peers thanks largely to my wife (who makes almost twice as much as me). She guesses that her boss makes 4-5x more than her, which is a fucking lot.

We really hit our stride in our 30's and we've been getting better off the further we get. I have it much better than any of my immediate friends or family. I'm still far, far away from rich. Of course, once all of our debt and both of our cars are paid off, our disposable income will go through the fucking roof so we'll probably feel rich.

My priorities are health and happiness, as well as making sure that both of my daughters have a better chance in life than either myself or my wife had. They will recieve an unbelievable amount of guidence and help from us because we are making sure we will be in a good financial position to do just that.

It's all relative though. My wife deals with student loans for college kids. She has people who make twice as much as us have the worst goddamn credit in history and they live paycheck to paycheck like starving college kids. The majority of people max out thier lifestyles within thier income levels. Taking those lessons into acount, my wife and I live below where we could be and instead plan on the future.
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used to be upper-middle, now somewhere between lower and homeless
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I also thought I was middle class.

1 car with 1 year left on ($250/month) payments.
House is worth around $550, mortgage around $1500/month.
No debt.... revolving credit and loans are inconsequential (under 2k).
Combined income is +150k
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I sit in middle class apparently. I'd probably be better off if we didn't pay so much for our mortgage, we fall under the category of people who bought into the "You should buy a house" crowd close to the peak of the mortgage shit.

House - 400K worth ~300K and paying ~2600/mon (This is what hurts the most, punch myself every time I think about it and how I didn't research enough into the probably one of the biggest purchases I'll ever make)
Size - Smaller, it's a townhouse and I paid that much for it
Medical Expenses - Probably about this
Cars - 2 cars, 1 that is 14 years old and has been paid off for a long time, runs great. 1 is 7 years old and has been paid off for 3 years. Their values last I looked were around 4k and 8k.
College Savings -
Vacations - We probably spend about 3,000 a year on the 2-3 weeks we'll end up taking
Retirement Savings - I put away 10% of my pay, wife 5%. Could use some work here.
Hours worked - we're slightly above 40 a week, but nothing crazy
Education - both 4 year degrees, as soon as I get a job that pays for a masters, I'll go for it.
Everyday spending - we're cheap as hell on everything, I think this helps a ton and we probably fall quite short of the average they put up.
Top Priority - family health/happiness
Debt - Our debt is 99% mortgage and a few K of my student loan
Net worth - no clue

We always feel like we're poor, because our mortgage payments are so much more than it should be. We also make ourselves not buy lots of things, or eat out, in an effort to save money for kid's college savings and retirement. We don't have anything particular we're saving for, having a mortgage and kids has basically made me cheap as hell with my money.

I still say considering how much our mortgage payments are, we don't fall into Middle Class.
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I also found out I am a hero.

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I have it much better than any of my immediate friends or family. I'm still far, far away from rich.
We don't share our income with friends and family, I would guess several of my close friends are in the same ballpark. The friends I coach with I make about 3-4 times their income. My biggest problem is my Brother in law's family. They seem to be in some sort of competition with us. They constantly want to know what we make and if we buy something then they do. Unfortunately since they tell everyone their income, I know we make like 4+ times what they do. Recently they have been struggling, I almost feel guilty, but we told them not to worry about us.
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House - 400K worth ~300K and paying ~2600/mon
Ouch!
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I think a lot of that is very subjective depending on where you are located. Wages and housing is usually less in the middle of the country or away from the big cities. If you took my house and planted it in L.A. it would be $700k or more.....but here in the heartland it is $200k. If you want to be upper class fast, move from the west coast into the midwest. You would be able to sell your house and retire.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:If you want to be upper class fast, move from the west coast into the midwest. You would be able to sell your house and retire.
I'm moving to whichever bumblefuck town gets a piece of Google's gigbit internet and retiring.
Google Fiber Candidates: Top 5 Desperate Cities
Communities launch creative campaigns to catch Google's eye -- and its megafast fiber-optic network.
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Friday, March 26, 2010 04:15 PM PDT

What's more entertaining than the sight of civic leaders fawning all over Google for a little high-speed action? In re
cent weeks, cities across the U.S. have staged some fairly bizarre antics to convince Google to build its proposed 1-gigabit fiber-optic network in their area. The search giant will make its decision by the end of 2010.

Naturally, when the competition is this fierce -- at least 600 communities are vying for the fiber network -- you've got to stand out. And acting a little kooky is one way to show Google you care, even if you come across as, well, a little desperate. Here are five particularly nutty publicity stunts:

Duluth

Nothing says "we care" quite like hypothermia. Perhaps that's what Don Ness, mayor of Duluth, Minnesota, was thinking when he jumped into icy Lake Superior in February. Question: Will Ness' plunge sway Google's execs to choose Duluth? Or will they simply ponder the George Costanza-like effects of 35-degree water on male shrinkage?

Sarasota

Why suffer shrinkage with you can swim with sharks? To win Google's love, Sarasota, Florida mayor Richard Clapp donned a wetsuit and took a quick dip last week in a local shark tank, according to the Sarasota Herald-Tribune.


sharks were "well fed," the newspaper reports. And that's good news for the Mayor Clapp, unless he was trying to show his support for Google's dismemberment benefits.

Or maybe sharks use broadband. There's a deeper meaning here somewhere.

Topeka

Topeka, Kansas is now...Google, Kansas! City leaders issued a February proclamation making the symbolic name change for the month of March 2010. The attention-grabbing stunt did grab headlines, but its ability to sway Google remains unclear.

Let's up the ante a bit: All first-born children in Topeka shall be named "Google" for perpetuity. Do we have the gig, Google?

Rancho Cucamonga

Like Topeka, the Southern California city of Rancho Cucamonga chose to Googlize its name. But at least it limited its sycophancy to the city's fiber-optic campaign, which is named Rancho Googlemonga. Come to think of it, "Rancho Googlemonga" may be an improvement over the city's true name.

Greenville

This stunt has a rave-like feel. Greenville, South Carolina in March created a "people-powered Google chain" with more than 2,000 LED glow sticks to spell out the name "Google." It's a cool concept -- check out the video below -- if sort of freaky in a cult-like way.

One thing's for sure: The folks at Google are masters of free publicity. All of this adulation -- and they've yet to lay one strand of fiber.
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Yeah I'd say we fit in the middle class bracket pretty soundly.

We meet most of the criteria listed. Our house is only 1100sqft and only cost $135k. It's small but it is fine for us and our young children. We'll be looking at something new and larger as the kids near their teens.
Due to a recent car accident we now have two payments instead of one.
My wife and I both have degrees and our college loans are paid for and gone.
We have about 20k saved so far for our kids education and we continue to add to that each year.

We are doing fairly well though we always could use more money. Side jobs repairing computers are nice to fill that role.

Our medical probably costs about that if you factor in the cost of insurance. We only have the standard issue that you would normally find with kids, strep, ear infections and the like.

So we fit the label pretty well.

Ofcourse where I grew up as upper lower class and my wife grew up upper middle class this turned out to be a happy medium in that we are both now middle middle class with aspirations of being lower upper class.
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Sarasota isn't really bumblefuck... But all those other cities are!
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Had some guys from work get transferred from Tampa to Boston with no pay differential, that's an effective 30% pay decrease. California is just insane, and the wages don't quite make up for it. NYC is nutty too, but at least the pay is good.

Living in Pensacola FL on a Navy paycheck was great, we were upper middle class @ $28k\yr. That wasn't the case in Alameda CA.
Sarasota isn't really bumblefuck... But all those other cities are!
Sarasota is a big pile of NYC\NJ money totally surrounded by swamp and bubbas.
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Aslanna wrote:Sarasota isn't really bumblefuck... But all those other cities are!
Duluth isn't a bustling metro but it isn't really bumblefuck either. There's a UoM campus there, a couple big ski resorts, a decent sized "downtown" area and a ton of industrial freight type shit on Superior. That and it's only 2 hours away from Minneapolis.

That being said I wouldn't want to live there :lol:
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Please don't defend the south east cities. They are by default, B U M B L E F U CK U S A

...and hella humid! If you like to feel sweaty, or are naturally sweaty (no one will notice), that area is a perfect place to reside!

Point me to the least humid bumblefuck town and I'll go live there!
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Funkmasterr wrote:
Aslanna wrote:Sarasota isn't really bumblefuck... But all those other cities are!
Duluth isn't a bustling metro but it isn't really bumblefuck either. There's a UoM campus there, a couple big ski resorts, a decent sized "downtown" area and a ton of industrial freight type shit on Superior. That and it's only 2 hours away from Minneapolis.

That being said I wouldn't want to live there :lol:
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I live right next to Rancho Cucamonga, for a while you couldn't touch a house for under 800K. Now those same houses are going for almost half that.
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When we left Pensacola in '98 you could buy a decent 1500 sqft house on a half acre for $55k. If you shop around you can again today. Considering you still can't get a job there that pays squat, it's not that amazing. The real estate bubble really smacked them hard.

*Edit - A friends daughter just bought a 1100 sqft, 1/4 acre starter for $87k in the town I live in.
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Winnow wrote: Point me to the least humid bumblefuck town and I'll go live there!
You already do, so there's no need to move.
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