October 09 NPD

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 12, 2009, 10:35 pm

Software:

01. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (PS3) - 537,000
02. Wii Fit Plus (Wii) - 441,000
03. Borderlands (Xbox 360) - 418,000
04. Wii Sports Resort (Wii) - 314,000
05. NBA 2K10 (Xbox 360) - 311,000
06. Halo 3 ODST (Xbox 360) - 271,000
07. NBA 2K10 (PS3) - 213,000
08. Forza Motorsport 3 (Xbox 360) - 175,000
09. Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days (DS) - 169,000
10. FIFA Soccer 10 (Xbox 360) - 156,000

I find no Borderlands for PS3 surprising. Sure U2:AT topped the list but other than NKA 2K10 that was the only PS3 title there. The Forza numbers seem a bit low as well for a new release. But maybe that's because the other stuff has crazy numbers. I can predict 3 of the top 10 titles for November though: Modern Warfare 2 (XBOX 360), Modern Warfare 2 (PC), Modern Warfare 2 (PS3).

Oh hey, and here goes hardware:

* Wii - 506,900
* Nintendo DS - 457,600
* PlayStation 3 - 320,600
* Xbox 360 - 249,700
* PSP - 174,600
* PlayStation 2 - 117,800

Guess the Wii is still a fad... Also I thought PS3 would have sold a few more although not a bad showing. More than the 360 2 months in a row! But I guess most people who were waiting for the price cut bought theirs in Sep. The holiday numbers should be interesting.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 12, 2009, 10:58 pm

Brutal Legend fails to chart. I hope that goes to the cheapie bin soon.

The # of 360s and PS3s both dropped a good amount from last month with the PS3 keeping it's decent lead despite it's higher drop %.

Go Go Borderlands. I hope that game has legs. I would've liked to have seen Uncharted 2 post some higher numbers, although those are really good numbers for the PS3. Good games deserve to get into more hands.

Also, I agree with the low Forza numbers. FiFA soccer 10 almost sold as many copies, which is surprising. I think soccer games translate better than many other sports to video games though, so perhaps that helped.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 13, 2009, 1:31 am

Here are the numbers for BL. So the 360 version almost made the list:

Brutal Legend (360) - 150,000 units
Brutal Legend (PS3) - 66,000 units

DJ Hero.. lol.. I sure hope all these 'Hero' games start to disappear. There's way too many of them.

DJ Hero (360) - 62,000 units
DJ Hero (PS3) - 39,000 units
DJ Hero (Wii) - 19,000 units
DJ Hero (PS2) - 3,300 units

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » November 13, 2009, 2:35 am

As soon as Zeppelin Hero comes out!

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 13, 2009, 7:14 am

Forza shipped on the 27th of Oct though. Breaking the top 10 on 3 days worth of sales seems respectable to me.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 13, 2009, 9:31 am

Oh yeah. I was not aware of how long it had been out. That does seem like decent numbers for 3 days I guess. In their chart they should indicate how many days for that month that the title has been out.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 13, 2009, 10:21 am

Funny, since MS does not count handheld games towards these top 10 lists, they place Brutal Legend as the 10th spot, making yet another 360 game into the top 10 this month.

Also, holy shit the PSP is taking a dump.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 13, 2009, 11:17 am

NPD numbers are always going to look more favorable for the 360 as 2/3 of it's sales are in NA.
Rougly 1/3 of the PS3's and 1/2 the Wii's sales are in North America.

Worldwide sales:

For the past 2 and a half months, the 360 has been selling about 150k per week, topping out at 250k units last week.
1.6 million total.

In the same timeframe the PS3 has sold a quarter million (250k) units per week, topping out at 600k for the first week of Sept.
3 million total. Roughly the same volume as 'The Fad' in that timeframe.

For October, the worldwide top 10 chart has 3 games each for Wii, 360 and PS3

Also, holy shit the PSP is taking a dump.

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=P ... &end=40125

miir · Post by **miir** » November 13, 2009, 11:42 am

Aslanna wrote:DJ Hero.. lol.. I sure hope all these 'Hero' games start to disappear. There's way too many of them.

DJ Hero is actually really awesome.
I'm picking it up in a few weeks.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » November 13, 2009, 12:00 pm

I bought DJ Hero and liked it quite a bit. I ended up trading it back in because 120 dollars is just kinda steep for me, and for the first time ever I had buyers remorse about buying a game.

I will probably pick it up again after the rush of games is over. I will say however, that Scratch: The Ultimate DJ interests me a bit more.. I'd much rather it just be straight rap/hip hop than mixed with a bunch of other stuff.. Especially the techno/dance type stuff, I really don't like that kind of music.

Also, before the game was even released, Activision said they didn't expect the sales for it to start out strong. The guitar games didn't, either. This game is something people don't know what to expect with, and it's a bit on the spendy side. Give it some time and I'm willing to bet these type of games are right up there with the guitar games in sales numbers.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 13, 2009, 12:07 pm

It's amazing how much money Sony is losing per console sale. I'm surprised they are willing to take such a huge loss on the system sale itself since it doesn't have the software sales to back it up. That has to be a little disconcerning to the number crunchers in that company. I would say they were making a dent in that loss with Blu Ray sales, but market penetration on that front continues to be less than anyone would've hoped. That and the fact that the PSP Go was left to die would point to the serious need to rebrand even further than the slim launch.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 13, 2009, 2:41 pm

Aslanna wrote: I find no Borderlands for PS3 surprising.

Word is out. The PS3 controller triggers blow ass. I would hate to play Borderlands using a PS3 trigger.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 13, 2009, 3:01 pm

Winnow wrote:
Aslanna wrote: I find no Borderlands for PS3 surprising.
Word is out. The PS3 controller triggers blow ass. I would hate to play Borderlands using a PS3 trigger.

I'm not surprised as the 360 is really the console of choice for the majority of FPS gamers.
I'd say Halo and Gears of War are the two main reasons for that.

The PS3 has some really good 3rd party controllers if your mongoloid hands are too big for the dual shock. The Spilt Fish controller is by far the best console controller for FPS games. They just released a wireless version of it this week.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 13, 2009, 4:23 pm

The 360 seems to be the console of choice for people that buy games in general, not just FPS.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 13, 2009, 4:40 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:The 360 seems to be the console of choice for people that buy games in general, not just FPS.

Spin it however you want but the truth is that the 360 has been 'taking a dump' for the past 12 months.

Kwonryu DragonFist · November 13, 2009, 4:47 pm

Winnow wrote:
Aslanna wrote: I find no Borderlands for PS3 surprising.
Word is out. The PS3 controller triggers blow ass. I would hate to play Borderlands using a PS3 trigger.

I myself have no problems with the PS3-controller and i find it to be perfect, but there ARE other controllers for PS3 as well beside the Sixaxis.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » November 15, 2009, 7:38 am

miir wrote:
Fairweather Pure wrote:The 360 seems to be the console of choice for people that buy games in general, not just FPS.
Spin it however you want but the truth is that the 360 has been 'taking a dump' for the past 12 months.

And it still has a higher install base, a higher number of of best selling exclusive titles, and more people on xbox live than the PSN despite it costing money. You continue to try and interject info about why the PS3 is a contender with the 360 but the reality is, in the US it will never be, and in the rest of the world it barely is. Preference is preference, but all the excuses in the world don't change that the 360 is the better console. If it wasn't for blind brand loyalty in Japan, etc, the 360 would be doing even better.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 15, 2009, 2:48 pm

Fair made a comment about the PSP taking a dump.
I posted a link to a chart showing PSP sales vs 360 sales.
I then made a mocking comment about the 360 taking a dump.

And as usual, you completely miss the point.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 15, 2009, 2:59 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:You continue to try and interject info about why the PS3 is a contender with the 360 but the reality is, in the US it will never be, and in the rest of the world it barely is. Preference is preference, but all the excuses in the world don't change that the 360 is the better console. If it wasn't for blind brand loyalty in Japan, etc, the 360 would be doing even better.

Actually the PS3 is massively outselling the 360 EVERYWERE except North America.
Technologically, the PS3 is a far better console and it's a far better value (wireless, Blu-Ray, recharable controllers, etc).

Sony isn't nickel and diming people who buy the PS3 by forcing them to use only 'approved' hardware ($100 for a wirelessG adapter WTF???), not allowing people to upgrade their hard drive storage and by charging to play online. Since it's release, you've probably spent over $300 for Xbox Live Gold.

American products will never do well in Japan and that has nothing to do with 'brand loyalty'.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 15, 2009, 3:37 pm

miir wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:You continue to try and interject info about why the PS3 is a contender with the 360 but the reality is, in the US it will never be, and in the rest of the world it barely is. Preference is preference, but all the excuses in the world don't change that the 360 is the better console. If it wasn't for blind brand loyalty in Japan, etc, the 360 would be doing even better.
Actually the PS3 is massively outselling the 360 EVERYWERE except North America.
Technologically, the PS3 is a far better console and it's a far better value (wireless, Blu-Ray, recharable controllers, etc).

Sony isn't nickel and diming people who buy the PS3 by forcing them to use only 'approved' hardware ($100 for a wirelessG adapter WTF???), not allowing people to upgrade their hard drive storage and by charging to play online. Since it's release, you've probably spent over $300 for Xbox Live Gold.

American products will never do well in Japan and that has nothing to do with 'brand loyalty'.

I'd just like to point to iPods and Windows as US products that do well in Japan.

While I prefer the 360 as a personal choice, Sony's use of open standards for the PS3 are a real benefit. The Bluetooth stuff, standard hard drives are all cool stuff.

The Xbox 360 Wifi is now of the N variety though at the same pricepoint as the old one. The old ones are being liquidated at 80$ apparently. Not that is really makes a difference. Still a ripoff.

Looking at Financials though, the Xbox division is a really bright point on Microsoft's financials every quarter now while the playstation division is approaching Xbox1 level debt with the PS3. They are loosing less but half a billion per year is still pretty big.

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2009/11/02/ ... 5-billion/

Oh and I love my PSP. As is stands, it's at parity with my 360 for playtime followed by my PS3. Dissidia is awesome.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » November 15, 2009, 4:09 pm

If you're forced to use the 360 branded wireless adaptor, you're doing something wrong.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 15, 2009, 5:26 pm

Boogahz wrote:If you're forced to use the 360 branded wireless adaptor, you're doing something wrong.

My point was that you can't just take any USB wireless adapter, plug it in to a 360 and expect it to work.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » November 16, 2009, 1:45 am

miir wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:You continue to try and interject info about why the PS3 is a contender with the 360 but the reality is, in the US it will never be, and in the rest of the world it barely is. Preference is preference, but all the excuses in the world don't change that the 360 is the better console. If it wasn't for blind brand loyalty in Japan, etc, the 360 would be doing even better.
Actually the PS3 is massively outselling the 360 EVERYWERE except North America.
Technologically, the PS3 is a far better console and it's a far better value (wireless, Blu-Ray, recharable controllers, etc).

Sony isn't nickel and diming people who buy the PS3 by forcing them to use only 'approved' hardware ($100 for a wirelessG adapter WTF???), not allowing people to upgrade their hard drive storage and by charging to play online. Since it's release, you've probably spent over $300 for Xbox Live Gold.

American products will never do well in Japan and that has nothing to do with 'brand loyalty'.

I'll believe the PS3 is far technologically superior when I actually see proof of it. As it stands, there have been just as many games that have been said to look or run better on the 360.

While you have a point about the wireless adapter, I don't use wireless even on my PS3 so I don't care. Watching movies from my computer/ downloading stuff, and even online play suffers from it at times so it isn't a selling point for me. You can upgrade your hard drive on the 360, although you do still have to use the MS branded stuff, and if I understand right the PS3 HDD can only be upgraded as far as the biggest one sony puts out, so really you're just saving yourself a couple of dollars if you decide to do so (doesn't matter to me).. Which is a moot point anyhow considering I will never even have a use for the 160GB I have on it now.

As far as charging for Xbox Live.. You can't possibly be serious. There is a good reason they charge for it, the service it provides compared to the PSN is about on MILLION times better. You may as well drop this as an argument because it's ridiculous. I also love how with the rumors of a increase in the cost of Live people are saying they wouldn't pay it. 1- yes they will, and 2- if the price increased it would be in line with what people pay for things like EQ and WoW, and the value you get is much higher.. People just like to bitch.

Also, if you think that American products not selling as well (video games in particular) has nothing to do with loyalty to the Japanese companies, you are delusional.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 16, 2009, 8:16 am

I'm sure the New Super Mario Brothers game for the Wii will also make the November sales list.. And probably many months after that!

As far as the 360 vs PS3 thing goes.. i don't really see how the PS3 is technologically "far better" than the 360. Would you mind providing some reasons why you think so?

And $35, which you can often find 12 month Live subscriptions going for (at least in the US) is really a small amount to pay for just about any type of service. .TiVo is something like $130 for a year and many people are happy, or at least satisfied they're getting their moneys worth, paying that although I think it's bonkers. While it's true that you don't have to pay anything on the PS3 I don't really see it as a point in Sony's favor. Other than not requiring stupid "point" purchases the Microsoft offering just seems better than what Sony currently has.

Oh and as far as a Live price increase goes.. If people really think it's going up they can just go out and buy a few years worth of subscriptions and claim them now. I don't know if there's an upper limit but they are cumulative so you can have more than 1 year at any time.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 16, 2009, 9:27 am

You can upgrade your hard drive on the 360, although you do still have to use the MS branded stuff, and if I understand right the PS3 HDD can only be upgraded as far as the biggest one sony puts out, so really you're just saving yourself a couple of dollars if you decide to do so..

Sony doesn't 'put out' hard drives for the PS3... they let you use any 2.5" SATA hard drive you want.

120 gig 'micosoft approved xbox hard drive' is $150
A 120 gig drive for my PS3 can be found for less than $40

That's a bit more than 'a couple of dollars'

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 16, 2009, 10:20 am

I'm under the impression that the PS3 can address 1TB of drive space with current firmware. I may be wrong however and it may be something like 2. Still bigger than any current 2.5" drive being manufactured.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 16, 2009, 10:53 am

They only hoop I had to jump through when upgrading a hard drive on a PS3 (ive done mine and 4 friends PS3s) is that the removeable media backup must be FAT32. There's a bunch of free utilities that will format 1TB+ drives in FAT32 so it's not that big of a deal.
The largest drive I've put in a PS3 was a 500 gig momentus. It's a screamer of a drive, access times are noticeably faster than 5400 rpm drives.
Not sure if a PS3 supports terabyte+ drives but they are pretty tough to find anyway.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 16, 2009, 12:49 pm

I put a 120 or 160 GB HD into my PS3 because I was forced to replace the failing 60GB original HD.

Replaceing the HD was easy although reinstalling stuff was time consuming and pain in the ass. 60GB would have been fine for me but I had to shell out more $$ due to faulty parts from Sony.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 16, 2009, 1:31 pm

Winnow wrote:Replaceing the HD was easy although reinstalling stuff was time consuming and pain in the ass.

No need to reinstall anything when you use the backup/restore utility.
Installing the PS3 OS takes less than 5 minutes.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 16, 2009, 2:01 pm

miir wrote:
Winnow wrote:Replaceing the HD was easy although reinstalling stuff was time consuming and pain in the ass.
No need to reinstall anything when you use the backup/restore utility.
Installing the PS3 OS takes less than 5 minutes.

That would have backed up my linux install?

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 17, 2009, 1:26 pm

miir wrote:Actually the PS3 is massively outselling the 360 EVERYWERE except North America.

What about Europe? I don't know the hardware numbers but every time I see British software sales charts there's always more 360 titles there. And where dual platforms are concerned the 360 is usually outselling the PS3 version.

As for the hard drive thing. There's no use arguing about it. Sony got it right and Microsoft didn't. It should be easily replaceable by the customer without having to buy a special overpriced unit. One point for PS3.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 17, 2009, 1:31 pm

Aslanna wrote:
miir wrote:Actually the PS3 is massively outselling the 360 EVERYWERE except North America.
What about Europe? I don't know the hardware numbers but every time I see British software sales charts there's always more 360 titles there. And where dual platforms are concerned the 360 is usually outselling the PS3 version.

As for the hard drive thing. There's no use arguing about it. Sony got it right and Microsoft didn't. It should be easily replaceable by the customer without having to buy a special overpriced unit. One point for PS3.

You should also be able to use any type of USB to save your fucking games on. That is my main complaint. MS went out of their way to make proprietary memory cards and overcharge for what you get. It also pisses me off that thier max size is so small, and when 3rd parties fill the demand with larger cards at a cheaper price, MS cockblocks them.

I guess it's the buisiness side of video games that I hate so much.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 17, 2009, 2:50 pm

Aslanna wrote: What about Europe? I don't know the hardware numbers but every time I see British software sales charts there's always more 360 titles there. And where dual platforms are concerned the 360 is usually outselling the PS3 version.

Looking at the big picture...

The 360 sells 62k per week in the EU.
The PS3 sells 80k per week in the EU.

The 360 sells 92k per week in NA
The PS3 sells 67k per week in NA

The 360 sells less than 6k per week in Japan.
The PS3 sells 25k per week in Japan.

Overall
360 - 160k per week
PS3 - 170k per week

As for the hard drive thing. There's no use arguing about it. Sony got it right and Microsoft didn't. It should be easily replaceable by the customer without having to buy a special overpriced unit. One point for PS3.

Couldn't you say the same about Bluetooth support, Blu-Ray player, built in wireless, built in web browser and free online play?

The 360 used to have a massive advantage with exclusives but the PS3 has made up a lot of ground in that department this year. Uncharted 2, Demons Souls and (in a few months) God of War 3 are awesome titles for PS3 owners.

And where dual platforms are concerned the 360 is usually outselling the PS3 version.

Besides a handful of games games like FIFA and NFS Shift, I will concede that Xbox owners buy a helluva lot more games.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 17, 2009, 3:12 pm

miir wrote:
Aslanna wrote:
As for the hard drive thing. There's no use arguing about it. Sony got it right and Microsoft didn't. It should be easily replaceable by the customer without having to buy a special overpriced unit. One point for PS3.
Couldn't you say the same about Bluetooth support, Blu-Ray player, built in wireless, built in web browser and free online play?

I'm sure someone could. I can't (wont) though as I don't use any of it. Bluetooth? Sorry don't have any BT devices. Blu-Ray player? Don't care. BR movies are overpriced and I bought this as a games console not a movie player. Wireless? I use cable as my router is literally 2 feet from where I have everything set up. Built in web browser. Why? I have a computer why do I care about browsing the web with a games console. Are they good things to have in a console? Sure I guess. But to me personally they're not really a deciding factor one way or the other.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » November 17, 2009, 3:24 pm

miir wrote:The 360 used to have a massive advantage with exclusives but the PS3 has made up a lot of ground in that department this year. Uncharted 2, Demons Souls and (in a few months) God of War 3 are awesome titles for PS3 owners.

Ok, let's clarify here in case anyone reads this statement and puts any weight behind it. There have been some great exclusive titles for the PS3 this year, no doubt. Uncharted is amazing, Demon's Souls is a great RPG.

That being said, the PS3 didn't make up enough "ground" for it to be noticeable. The 360 still has about 20 quality exclusives to each 1 on the PS3.

Even your other arguments above supported that there was no OMGBEATDOWN going on by Sony as you had originally implied.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 17, 2009, 3:45 pm

Off the top of my head, here's a quick list of quality PS3 exclusives released in the past year or so.
If the ratio is really 20-1, you should have no problem making a list of 200 top quality 360 exclusives.... right?

Uncharted 2
Demons Souls
Ratchet and Clank Future: Crack in Time
Demons Souls
Infamous
Killzone 2
Resistance 2
Disgaea 3
Motorstorm Pacific Rift
Valkyria Chronicles
Wipeout HD Fury
Cross Edge

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » November 17, 2009, 3:50 pm

miir wrote:Off the top of my head, here's a quick list of quality PS3 exclusives released in the past year or so.
If the ratio is really 20-1, you should have no problem making a list of 200 top quality 360 exclusives.... right?

Uncharted 2
Demons Souls
Ratchet and Clank Future: Crack in Time
Demons Souls
Infamous
Killzone 2
Resistance 2
Disgaea 3
Motorstorm Pacific Rift
Valkyria Chronicles
Wipeout HD Fury
Cross Edge

Of course it was an exaggeration

However, there are a ton more exclusives for the 360 - and I still say that the PS3 didn't really make up much ground in that department. Later today/tomorrow I can make a list for you

However, if you're going with "quality" titles, there are plenty I'd remove from my 360 list, and I'd also remove some from yours.. of course this is all based on opinion.

Disgaea 3
Motorstorm Pacific Rift
Valkyria Chronicles
Wipeout HD Fury

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 17, 2009, 3:52 pm

I personally would remove inFAMOUS as well. I don't know what all those reviewers were smoking but I didn't think it was all that. Sure I finished it (twice) but it was a lot more painful than it was fun.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 17, 2009, 4:00 pm

OK, so I did a search of 360 exclusives and came up with a list of 25 17 quality titles dating back 2+ years:

*edit* I removed some titles from the list that did not receive a 70+ on metacritic.

Battlestations: Pacific
Blue Dragon
Command & Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath
Crackdown
Fable II
Forza Motorsport 3
Frontlines: Fuel of War
Gears of War 2
Grand Theft Auto: Episodes from Liberty City
Halo 3
Halo 3: ODST
Halo Wars
Left 4 Dead
Lips
Lost Odyssey
Mass Effect
Viva Piñata: Trouble in Paradise

A far cry from your 20-1 bullshit estimate.
Please include any I may have missed.

However, if you're going with "quality" titles, there are plenty I'd remove from my 360 list, and I'd also remove some from yours.. of course this is all based on opinion.

Based on Metacritic scores:

Disgaea3 - 78
Valkyria Chronicles: 86
Motorstorm PR - 82
Wipeout Fury - 89

Pretty sure those can be classified as quality titles.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 17, 2009, 4:23 pm

So I further culled the list down to games that were released in the past year (or so)

Battlestations: Pacific
~~Blue Dragon~~
~~Command & Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath~~
~~Crackdown~~
Fable II
Forza Motorsport 3
~~Frontlines: Fuel of War~~
Gears of War 2
Grand Theft Auto: Episodes from Liberty City
~~Halo 3~~
Halo 3: ODST
Halo Wars
Left 4 Dead
Lips
~~Lost Odyssey~~
~~Mass Effect~~
Viva Piñata: Trouble in Paradise

So we're down to 10... versus 12 on the PS3.

Interesting.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 17, 2009, 4:31 pm

miir wrote:So I further culled the list down to games that were released in the past year (or so)

Battlestations: Pacific
~~Blue Dragon~~
~~Command & Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath~~
~~Crackdown~~
Fable II
Forza Motorsport 3
~~Frontlines: Fuel of War~~
Gears of War 2
Grand Theft Auto: Episodes from Liberty City
~~Halo 3~~
Halo 3: ODST
Halo Wars
Left 4 Dead
Lips
~~Lost Odyssey~~
~~Mass Effect~~
Viva Piñata: Trouble in Paradise

So we're down to 10... versus 12 on the PS3.

Interesting.

11, really. I know Demons Souls was awesome and all but I'm not sure it was awesome enough to list twice.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 17, 2009, 4:37 pm

OK, replace one of them with R&C: Quest for Booty or Fat Princess or Katamari Forever...
I bet I could find another 4-5 PS3 exclusives that got solid reviews.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 17, 2009, 4:44 pm

Well with Quest for Booty and Fat Princess now you're talking downloadable content. There's a lot on Xbox Live Arcade that could be considered "exclusives" if you want to go that route. Although I hope you wont because this conversation is already ridiculous enough as it is.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 17, 2009, 4:49 pm

Aslanna wrote:Well with Quest for Booty and Fat Princess now you're talking downloadable content. There's a lot on Xbox Live Arcade that could be considered "exclusives" if you want to go that route. Although I hope you wont because this conversation is already ridiculous enough as it is.

Eventhouhg PSN and Xbox Live Arcade share a lot of titles they probably have a similar number of quality exclusives.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » November 17, 2009, 4:49 pm

miir wrote:OK, replace one of them with R&C: Quest for Booty or Fat Princess or Katamari Forever...
I bet I could find another 4-5 PS3 exclusives that got solid reviews.

You are hilariously good at tailoring bullshit to fit your argument. I don't have time to make a list right now, however I can tell you it's a lot more than 10, especially if you are including downloaded games (you are). Not to mention the vast amount of games that are out months or years on the 360 before they struggle long enough to get it to work with the overly complicated and under powered hardware on the PS3.

And you must have missed where I said "quality" was subject to opinion. You are the one that threw that word out there, and in my opinion those games aren't worth the money they cost.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 17, 2009, 4:51 pm

To be honest, when I started on this tangent, I was thinking that the 360 still held a significant advantage in quality exclusives. I knew the PS3 had a strong year but I didn't realise that it actually had more top shelf exclusives than the 360.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » November 17, 2009, 4:57 pm

You're right Aslanna, the conversation is ridiculous. I'm just sick of miir being the one person here that has to constantly talk about how the PS3 is superior to the 360. The reason I'm sick of this is because it is not, in no way, shape or form is the PS3 the superior console, and the overall sales numbers (you know, the ones people source, and not the random numbers he posts) for everything from Live subscriptions (sad that the pay service has immeasurably more subscribers than the free one), to software attachment rates, to exclusive titles, etc.

And then when someone makes a point that he can't refute, he resorts to posting about numbers in Japan/elsewhere. I don't care about Japans sales numbers, the people there are blindly faithful to the Japanese companies regardless of what miir says, so that's not a good measurement of which is the quality product. The US sales are much more representative of the overall picture.

The 360 is the superior console in every respect of the word. Supposedly the hardware is superior in the PS3 but there has yet to be a display of that superiority. There have been more games that are cross platform that supposedly looked better on the 360 than the other way around (hint, just because miir says that those claims are false or come from stupid sites doesn't mean a damn thing).

If the 5 or so people I encounter that can't just accept that Microsoft won this round would just shut the fuck up and keep their shit to themselves I'd be a happy man.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 17, 2009, 4:58 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:And you must have missed where I said "quality" was subject to opinion. You are the one that threw that word out there, and in my opinion those games aren't worth the money they cost.

Since our own personal definitions of 'quality' are vastly different, I figured the metacritic score would be the most accurate barometer. A score of 70+ is a good indicator of quality.

I don't have time to make a list right now, however I can tell you it's a lot more than 10

Go ahead and add some 360 games that scored 70+ on metacritic.

And feel free to remove Cross Edge from the PS3 list because eventhough we both enjoyed the game, it got abysmal reviews.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 17, 2009, 5:05 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:can't just accept that Microsoft won this round

Man you're the worst kind of idiot fanboy.
The 360 has 'won' nothing... It's barely holding on to second place.
The only reason it's not in last place is because it was released a year before the PS3.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » November 17, 2009, 5:06 pm

Yeah I tried to just google for a list quick, but didn't get any results, which is amazing to me. As much as people bicker about which is better and I can't find a damn list of exclusive titles from more recent than a few years ago.

No time to do it on my own now, but I'll shut you up soon, no worries. And I wouldn't remove Cross Edge, that's why I was just making a point at you throwing out the "quality titles" shit, cause it's all about opinion. Metacritic is an ok guideline, but I've seen many games get a low score there and the reasons for it were bullshit (see pretty much any JRPG).