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Organic food is no healthier, study finds

Wed Jul 29, 12:29 pm ET
LONDON (Reuters) – Organic food has no nutritional or health benefits over ordinary food, according to a major study published Wednesday.

Researchers from the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine said consumers were paying higher prices for organic food because of its perceived health benefits, creating a global organic market worth an estimated $48 billion in 2007.

A systematic review of 162 scientific papers published in the scientific literature over the last 50 years, however, found there was no significant difference.

"A small number of differences in nutrient content were found to exist between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs, but these are unlikely to be of any public health relevance," said Alan Dangour, one of the report's authors.

"Our review indicates that there is currently no evidence to support the selection of organically over conventionally produced foods on the basis of nutritional superiority."

The results of research, which was commissioned by the British government's Food Standards Agency, were published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.

Sales of organic food have fallen in some markets, including Britain, as recession has led consumers to cut back on purchases.

The Soil Association said in April that growth in sales of organic products in Britain slowed to just 1.7 percent in 2008, well below the average annual growth rate of 26 percent over the last decade, following a plunge in demand at the end of the year.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090729/sc_ ... _organic_3

Is this also saying the preservatives don't matter? I'd think that would be the important part.
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Uhhh, no shit, Sherlock.
Only a moron would think that organics are more nutritious.

The reason people eat organic food for the shit that NOT used when growing it.... pesticides, growth hormones... y'know, the chemicals that are detrimental to a healthy lifestyle.
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There is also a green movement associated with organic foods. If you eat organic, then there is less manufacturing of the aformentioned substances.

I eat whatever my wife buys or whatever is cheapest when I do the shopping. I have no preference.
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Environmental impacts aside, most "whole" vegatables\plant products are identical to "organic" products once you wash them.

Organic animal products are likely better for you, milk and meat particularly as you aren't getting the hormones, drugs, etc.. the animals are being fed.
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In the summer, all the produce I buy is local and preferably organic.
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(started this before any of the other responses and paused while taking a phone call as I responded. This is pretty similar in sentiment to what Fair & Miir have expressed.)

Most people I know that choose organic foods over conventionally grown options do so because of environmental and ethical concerns. From what I've seen, I think that it's generally been assumed that organic and conventional foods are generally equivalent in terms of health and nutrition. For those choosing organics for ethical concerns (pesticides, treatment of livestock, genetic manipulation, hormones, etc), I doubt a study like this makes any real difference. Personally, I've never fretted too much over organics vs. conventional. My preferences go from local organic > local > organic non-local > conventional non-local, but I'm not a huge stickler about it either (I probably should be more than I am, but...). Ethically raised meat & poultry (not necessarily organic) may not have any nutritional or health benefits, but aside from ethical issues, I can say that it has a big flavor difference. Again, I'm not a great stickler about that, either, though. I hate factory farms, but it's not entirely practical to get away from factory meat these days. You always have to balance your commitment to ethical farming with the economics of making better choices and with how much time you're willing to commit to sourcing your grub as well as other issues (e.g. Whole Foods might be the easiest source for me around here, but I refuse to shop there because I loathe John Mackey).
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In general, we don't buy any pre-packaged foods, as far as source I just make sure it didn't originate or get packed in China. Don't buy food from the middle of the store is a decent rule of thumb otherwise.

Most of our produce is local, most of the year. Beef, pork and goat(!) are local too, chicken is local-ish (~100 miles) but are coming from a factory farm.

Organic meat\milk\eggs taste better, but not enough to justify the cost to me.

There's not much I like about Whole Foods Market aside from some of the products.
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I stay away from 'Health Food' chains.
I get our produce from mom and pop stores or farmer's markets.
We have a number of organic butchers in our area but the jacked up prices on organic meats is a big turnoff.
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Most organic foods like bread or cereal or whatnot (read: not organic whole vegetables, meats, etc) lack a lot of the preservatives and (what I was lead to believe) most importantly high fructose corn syrup. Is this study not addressing those, or are they saying that it's not healthier to avoid that kind of garbage?
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Organic food has no nutritional or health benefits over ordinary food, according to a major study published Wednesday
The bolded part is clearly misleading.
The helath benefits from eating organic food are very tangible...
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From what I've seen, the study is focused more on unprocessed products like produce, meat, eggs, etc. and focused exclusively on the nutrient content of equivalent items. This study is a review of other studies conducted over the last 50 years, and did not include any new research. The effects of non-nutrient contents were ignored by the study (pesticides, herbicides or other contaminants like lead or mercury).

Here is a tidbit describing the methodology of this study that I found on slashdot:

http://postpeakpublishing.com/index_temp.htm
According to the UK’s Food Standards Agency, and as gleefully reported today by the BBC, ‘Organic has no health benefits’, so we can all breath a sigh of relief and return to eating pesticide and chemical filled garbage. There’s probably no health benefits to unleaded paint then, eh? Any benefits left in quitting smoking? Do we even need to debunk this utter foolishness?

Personally, I wouldn’t expect an organic pepper to have significantly more nutrients than any other pepper, since they are usually not genetically engineered, though nutrient levels were the only factor in the study’s determinations. Turns out organic peppers do indeed have elevated nutrient levels, but not significantly elevated, according to the FSA. The health benefits of not ingesting a host of ingredients far too dangerous to be included in a child’s chemistry set is a glaring omission.

According to the study’s Executive Summary:

“This review does not address contaminant content (such as herbicide, pesticide and fungicide residues) of organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs or the environmental impacts of organic and conventional agricultural practices.”

And not all studies on organic and conventional practices were reviewed…

Articles were excluded if they:

* were not peer-reviewed
* did not have an English abstract
* did not address composition of nutrients and other substances
* did not present a direct comparison between organic and conventional production systems
* were primarily concerned with impact of different fertiliser (sic) regimes
* were primarily concerned with non-nutrient contaminant content (cadmium, lead and mercury)
* were authentication studies describing techniques to identify food production methods


In other words, only Western studies focused strictly on nutrient comparison were reviewed. That would seem to overlook many studies which might show organic food to be a much healthier option. It’s a safe bet that the overwhelming majority of the reviewed studies were the product of the traditional food industry.

Was the outcome of this study preordained? If you’re gonna talk health, why omit studying all the unhealthy stuff that the organic movement seeks to evade?

The study itself appears to come from the UK’s Food Standards Agency, which outsourced the analysis of about 50,000 papers published over the past 50 years to a group within the University of London’s London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (LSHTM), headed by Dr. Alan Dangour, nutrition specialist. A handful of University of London personnel are also credited, including Ricardo Uauy, M.D. Ph.D., Professor of Public Health Nutrition. Alan and Ricardo have co-published no less than 9 publications, in other words, they’re ‘tight’.

According to the Integrity in Science Database, Dr. Uauy has been a paid advisor to Unilever, Wyeth, Danone, DSM, Kellogg, Knowles and Bolton, Roche Vitamins Europe Ltd., and the International Copper Association. Probably not chicken feed either. My foray into research could very likely turn up Monsanto and/or its ilk lurking behind this study as well, had I the time.
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miir wrote:
Organic food has no nutritional or health benefits over ordinary food, according to a major study published Wednesday
The bolded part is clearly misleading.
The helath benefits from eating organic food are very tangible...
I think the lack of a few things being defined is the problem. The herbicides/pesticides etc are what is the worst for you, and there is plenty of food that cannot be considered organic that still doesn't contain those things.
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Um, well thats one of the main criteria for a product to be deemed 'organic'... that it's grown without the use of non-organic pesticides, herbicides, insecticides and other synthetic chemicals.
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miir wrote:Um, well thats one of the main criteria for a product to be deemed 'organic'... that it's grown without the use of non-organic pesticides, herbicides, insecticides and other synthetic chemicals.
There are also requirements for things to be organic that don't directly relate to that, so my point stands that it can be not considered organic and still not have those things.
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Specifically, what requirements (for something to be labeled as organic) are you aware of that aren't directly related to non-organic pesticides, herbicides, insecticides and other synthetic chemicals.
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after learning about non-organic milk's puss content, I will never drink it again. Also I bought some organic OJ yesterday for the first time. 50 cents more for a carton, but effing delicious.
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miir wrote:Specifically, what requirements (for something to be labeled as organic) are you aware of that aren't directly related to non-organic pesticides, herbicides, insecticides and other synthetic chemicals.
It appears that since I last looked the requirements have changed. My grandfather was a farmer almost his entire life and when the whole organic thing started to get popular he looked at what he would have to do to conform. When he was looking at it, he had to have the soil free of any things they prohibit for like 12 years, which is absurd. It now seems like that is down to 3 years most places. I haven't been able to find a full list of requirements though, just brief overviews.
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I've lived only off Pizza Pockets and Lucky Charms the past 20 years and I feel gr888888t!
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When it comes to "fresh" fruits/vegetables they aren't always better than frozen. Nutrients break down over time by light and air, so a fruit/vegetable that is is picked at its prime and frozen will contain more vitamins and nutrients than some produce which can arrive at the grocery a week or two after it's been harvested. Now canned fruits/vegetables, well that's a whole different story and I try to stay away from them as much as possible.
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Winnow wrote:I've lived only off Pizza Pockets and Lucky Charms the past 20 years and I feel gr888888t!
Oh that explains it then.

Luckily, here, it's easy to buy organic food. Regardless of whether it is more nutritional, it's a preferable choice. Once we get into things like free range eggs/dairy/chicken etc, then taste and quality becomes pretty obviously superior, regardless of this particular study.

Maybe we're just lucky here, but I wouldn't ever bother buying non organic foods unless I was absolutely shit broke.
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