The Official PS3 thread!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 29, 2009, 8:36 pm

A lot of people shop at Wal-Mart. That doesn't mean it's good for the country or that they have the best product!

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 2, 2009, 5:48 pm

Here's the Top 20 rated 360 games from Metacritic:

1 Grand Theft Auto IV
2 BioShock
3 Orange Box, The
4 Gears of War
5 Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The
6 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
7 Halo 3
8 Gears of War 2
9 Braid
10 Fallout 3
11 Guitar Hero II
12 Rock Band
13 Rock Band 2
14 Mass Effect
15 Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
16 Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 2
17 Forza Motorsport 2
18 Left 4 Dead
19 Call of Duty 2
20 Portal: Still Alive

I've been thinking about picking up a 360 but really having a hard time justifying it. Besides the rhythm stuff and the few Arcade titles there, not a whole lot that's inspiring or unique to the 360. Mostly shooters. The Wii has more variety! What am I missing here? And don't say Xbox Live because I'm not much into the online stuff so don't really care about that.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 2, 2009, 6:49 pm

Aslanna wrote:Here's the Top 20 rated 360 games from Metacritic:

1 Grand Theft Auto IV
2 BioShock
3 Orange Box, The
4 Gears of War
5 Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The
6 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
7 Halo 3
8 Gears of War 2
9 Braid
10 Fallout 3
11 Guitar Hero II
12 Rock Band
13 Rock Band 2
14 Mass Effect
15 Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
16 Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 2
17 Forza Motorsport 2
18 Left 4 Dead
19 Call of Duty 2
20 Portal: Still Alive

I've been thinking about picking up a 360 but really having a hard time justifying it. Besides the rhythm stuff and the few Arcade titles there, not a whole lot that's inspiring or unique to the 360. Mostly shooters. The Wii has more variety! What am I missing here? And don't say Xbox Live because I'm not much into the online stuff so don't really care about that.

The ability to watch Netflix with your 360 is awesome, I use it all the time! I know you could have your computer hooked to your tv and do the same thing, but there's something about having one device that pretty much does it all that I like a lot. I don't burn any of the media I download anymore, I just use windows media connect to view/listen to it or whatever on my xbox.

The new games coming to the dashboard, I can't remember what they are called

But it's like 1 vs. 100 and stuff that you play against other people and you can actually win stuff.. I know it sounds kinda corny but I think those will be fun!

Other than that, like you said there are a ton of Arcade games that are well worth the money they cost. Also, if you are into the rhythm games at all they can seriously provide tons of hours of entertainment. I've put sooooo much time into playing the Guitar Hero/Rock Band games, and I would have never thought that possible.

I could make other recommendations on disc games too, but I don't know what you like other than not caring for shooters. I will say however that there are a few shooters that shine so much above the rest that you almost have to play them.

My 2 cents.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » February 12, 2009, 3:52 am

Now that I have the PS3 in addition to the Xbox 360, I am excited to actually be able to buy a GOOD baseball game. The 2K series was an abomination last season. The Show demo was better then the entire 2k game.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 16, 2009, 3:17 pm

No PlayStation titles make US top ten in January

The ten best-selling videogames in the US last month were for Nintendo and Microsoft formats, leaving no room for any software in the PlayStation family.

Nintendo's first-party offerings were triumphant, with the top three best-selling games all for the Wii, according to data from NPD.

Wii Fit lead the pack with 777,000 sales, followed by Wii Play with 415,000 and Mario Kart Wii at 292,000 units.

Valve and EA's Left 4 Dead on the Xbox 360 was the highest non-Nintendo game in the top ten, with 243,000 copies sold in January.

Xbox 360 versions of Call of Duty: World at War and Skate 2 sold 235,000 and 199,000 units respectively, with the Wii version of Guitar Hero: World Tour moving 155,000 units.

DS titles New Super Mario Bros. and Mario Kart DS sold 135,000 and 132,000 copies, while EA's 360 SKU of Lord of the Rings: Conquest sold 113,000 units.

You PS3 owners need to get out there and start buying some games!

New Super Mario Brothers and Mario Kart DS making the top ten is a bit surprising since those have been out a rather long time. I guess those were probably purchased by new DS owners who got one for Christmas or something.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 16, 2009, 3:20 pm

Aslanna wrote:
No PlayStation titles make US top ten in January

The ten best-selling videogames in the US last month were for Nintendo and Microsoft formats, leaving no room for any software in the PlayStation family.

Nintendo's first-party offerings were triumphant, with the top three best-selling games all for the Wii, according to data from NPD.

Wii Fit lead the pack with 777,000 sales, followed by Wii Play with 415,000 and Mario Kart Wii at 292,000 units.

Valve and EA's Left 4 Dead on the Xbox 360 was the highest non-Nintendo game in the top ten, with 243,000 copies sold in January.

Xbox 360 versions of Call of Duty: World at War and Skate 2 sold 235,000 and 199,000 units respectively, with the Wii version of Guitar Hero: World Tour moving 155,000 units.

DS titles New Super Mario Bros. and Mario Kart DS sold 135,000 and 132,000 copies, while EA's 360 SKU of Lord of the Rings: Conquest sold 113,000 units.
You PS3 owners need to get out there and start buying some games!

New Super Mario Brothers and Mario Kart DS making the top ten is a bit surprising since those have been out a rather long time. I guess those were probably purchased by new DS owners who got one for Christmas or something.

Yeah, I'm sure Killzone 2 will make the charts, although it comes out right at the end of this month so it might not really hit till the March numbers.

I would guess that the sales on Nintendo's first party titles won't start to fall off until the sales of the Wii/DS do. You can pretty much expect that the majority of people that buy a Wii are going to buy Mario and Mario Kart, and same for the DS.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » February 16, 2009, 8:54 pm

I heard the Left4Dead numbers were very impressive for PC and 360. i want to say the 6th best selling game of the year? I read a blurb just yesterday about it but forgot where. Maybe it was along the ticker on G4. /shrug

Glad to see it's popular though.

It doesn't help PS3 that DVD/Blueray sales are taking a massive hit.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 21, 2009, 5:07 am

US console totals for February:

1. Nintendo Wii: 753,000
2. Nintendo DS: 588,000
3. Xbox 360: 391,000
4. PlayStation 3: 276,000
5. PlayStation Portable: 199,000
6. PlayStation 2: 131,000

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » March 21, 2009, 10:38 am

I wonder how long it'll be before I'm the only one on the planet without a Wii.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » March 21, 2009, 2:50 pm

Probably a long time.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » March 21, 2009, 3:56 pm

I sold my PS3.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » April 6, 2009, 12:51 pm

After the latest update, it appears that many people are having issues when attempting to play a shared game. If you are having this issue, just sign into another account (another psn account, not just local user) - and then back onto your account again and everything should be fine.

I had this problem and so did a handful of people I know, figured it might help.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » April 6, 2009, 1:37 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Yeah, I'm sure Killzone 2 will make the charts, although it comes out right at the end of this month so it might not really hit till the March numbers.

Killzone 2 numbers not looking all that hot. At least from the weekly sales I've seen posted elsewhere for other regions. Guess all the shooter peeps are on 360. Will be interesting to see the 'official' March numbers. Doesn't seem to be the killer app (game?) the PS3 needed. What's next, Sony?

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » April 7, 2009, 4:13 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:Yeah, I'm sure Killzone 2 will make the charts, although it comes out right at the end of this month so it might not really hit till the March numbers.
Killzone 2 numbers not looking all that hot. At least from the weekly sales I've seen posted elsewhere for other regions. Guess all the shooter peeps are on 360. Will be interesting to see the 'official' March numbers. Doesn't seem to be the killer app (game?) the PS3 needed. What's next, Sony?

Aside from the next GoW I have no idea what they have. They can tout a 10 year life cycle all they want to, you only make it that long if people give a damn about the system. I bet they thought it was a can't-miss grand-slam when the specs were finalized five years ago. I can't imagine what their board room meetings are like these days.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » April 17, 2009, 2:37 am

Funkmasterr wrote:Yeah, I'm sure Killzone 2 will make the charts, although it comes out right at the end of this month so it might not really hit till the March numbers.

I would guess that the sales on Nintendo's first party titles won't start to fall off until the sales of the Wii/DS do. You can pretty much expect that the majority of people that buy a Wii are going to buy Mario and Mario Kart, and same for the DS.

March U.S. numbers are in. Lets see what we have for hardware and software:

Software:

01. Resident Evil 5 (X360) - 938,000
02. Pokemon Platinum (DS) - 805,000
03. Halo Wars (X360) - 639,000
04. Resident Evil 5 (PS3) - 585,000
05. Wii Fit (Wii) - 541,000
06. MLB 09: The Show (PS3) - 305,000
07. Killzone 2 (PS3) - 296,000
08. Wii Play (Wii) - 281,000
09. Mario Kart Wii (Wii) - 278,000
10. MLB 2K9 (X360) - 205,000

Pokemon? wtf.

Hardware:

* Wii - 601,000
* Nintendo DS - 563,000
* Xbox 360 - 330,000
* PlayStation 3 - 218,000
* PSP - 168,000
* PlayStation 2 - 112,000

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 14, 2009, 11:50 pm

April!

* Nintendo DSi - 827,000
* Wii - 340,000
* Nintendo DS Lite - 215,000
* Xbox 360 - 175,000
* PlayStation 2 - 172,000
* PlayStation 3 - 127,000
* PSP - 116,000

Funny. The PS2 almost outsold the 360 (and did outsell the PS3). And yeah obviously the price drop was the reason but still. Although I don't see that carrying over to May. Nintendo still out of control! Can they hold on for the rest of the year and dominate a third Christmas in a row? I know a big deal has been made about the recent Japan numbers with the PS3 beating the Wii but eh... There's more to the market than Japan.

Oh hey, forgot software. Here you go!

01. Wii Fit (Wii) - 471,000
02. Pokemon Platinum (DS) - 433,000
03. Mario Kart Wii (Wii) - 210,000
04. Wii Play (Wii) - 170,000
05. The Godfather II (X360) - 155,000
06. Resident Evil 5 (X360) - 122,000
07. New Super Mario Bros. (DS) - 119,000
08. Mario Kart DS (DS) - 112,000
09. Guitar Hero Aerosmith (X360) - 110,000
10. The Godfather II (PS3) - 91,000

miir · Post by **miir** » May 15, 2009, 9:06 am

Wii is just a fad.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 15, 2009, 9:50 am

Sony as a whole isn't doing so badly. Nintendo qualified those DS Sales saying that the DSi sold ~830k or so to the 215K DS Lite's.

At this point, I don't think there's much Sony and MS can do to topple Ninto other than joining forces and producing the next system together. Sony Hardware, Microsoft software/API's and Network Infrastructure...

There's also sorts of crazy f'ing rumors swirling about the Zune HD becoming an Xbox Live-enabled device and being able to play games and movies bought on the Xbox Marketplace.

All I know is that Microsoft has been shipping some really solid products recently...

http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/15/zune ... nd-google/

Sounding too good to be true, the cats at Teamxbox have posted a lengthy piece quoting multiple sources from Redmond and Santa Clara who anonymously spill the beans on what the Zune HD is and isn't. The "digital entertainment handheld," dubbed unanimously as product "xYz" by said sources to emphasize its purpose of bridging the Xbox and Zune platforms, is not a phone (that's Project Pink) but a converged "mashup" of devices like the Sony Mylo, PSP, and iPod touch. The emphasis of the device is not the hardware but the software, services, and entertainment experience if offers while remaingly primarily "a portable game console and media player." It's said to link into Microsoft's Skybox computing services for mobiles and blur the lines between Xbox Live and the Zune and Sky Marketplaces. Even the Xbox 360's NXE interface will be making its way onto the new Microsoft handheld. As Teamxbox summarizes:

Buy a song, a movie or a TV show on your Xbox, play the content later on the handheld or the other way around. Play an Xbox Live Arcade game either on your Xbox or in this handheld.
At the moment, we have no way to authenticate any of this beyond what we've brought to the table already. Honestly, having had our hopes crushed by a tepid reaction to market trends from Microsoft in the past makes it difficult to believe all these seemingly fanboi fantasy claims of specs and convergence. However, if true, if Microsoft finally breaks free from the rigid silos of its own making and delivers an integrated living room, gaming, and portable media experience along with a stable Windows 7 computing environment... well, wait this just can't be happening.

The original source for the Engadget article.
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/19639/Mic ... -Handheld/

miir · Post by **miir** » May 15, 2009, 10:31 am

Sony PSN/PSP/PS3 already has that type of functionality.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 15, 2009, 10:54 am

miir wrote:Sony PSN/PSP/PS3 already has that type of functionality.

Yeah, but if you coupled that same kind of technology with xbox live it would be far superior to the PS3/PSP. However, I'm kind of torn - I was hoping Microsoft would just leave the handheld market alone, it will just end up meaning more consoles/handhelds you have to buy to play certain games, and there's enough of that already.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 15, 2009, 11:03 am

By the way, Astro Tripper on the PSN is a pretty sweet game, very challenging, too!

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » May 16, 2009, 9:48 pm

PS3 Games i like and that i look forward to.

Savage Moon (Tower Defence!)
Sf4 (classic fighting game)

Guitar Hero: Metallica
Fat Princess
Fight Night 4
UFC 2009 Undisputed

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 17, 2009, 9:53 pm

So I was at WalMart last night and had some a bit extra cash in the form of a tax refund so I went ahead and bought me a PSP(The silver 3000 series one with Ratchet and Clank, National Treasure2, Echochrome and a 1GB memory stick.)

This is one cool little device. I like it much better than the DS thus far.

I played the God of War Chains of Olympus demo and that thing is great. Resistance Retribution demo was good, just not 45$ good. Jeanne D'Arc is on the PSN as a download too so I'm going to buy that before too long too.

I do realise it's a a couple of weeks before E3 and the new PSP iteration will most likely be announced there. If it is and there's something that I find highly appealing with that one, I'll just trade in this one and pay the difference for the new one if the features are not patched into the current lineup.

Anyone else have one of these and have a game recommendation that they could make?

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 18, 2009, 1:16 am

Depends on your tastes. Loco Roco was fun but I'd probably skip the first one and get Loco Roco 2 instead. Not that there was anything wrong with the first one just that the second did it a little better. Lumines also kept me entertained for quite a while. There's 2 of those as well and not sure which is better. Second has more modes and stuff but it basically has a lot of the same things and I don't think the actual gameplay changed between the two. The first doesn't have that lame Hollaback Girl song so eh... That's my recommendation. Can probably find it pretty cheap as well.

I'd say hack it and put some emulators on there but so far the 3000 has been successful in blocking that!

miir · Post by **miir** » May 18, 2009, 8:22 am

Patapon 1/2
Prinny: Can I Really be The Hero
Disgaea: Afternoon of Darkness
Star Ocean: 2nd Evolution
Wipeout Pure

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 18, 2009, 9:31 pm

miir wrote:Patapon 1/2
Prinny: Can I Really be The Hero
Disgaea: Afternoon of Darkness
Star Ocean: 2nd Evolution
Wipeout Pure

Thanks for those recommendations.

I've been playing the Patapon 2 demo I got from the PSN Store and I can't believe how generous those guys were with the length of that. I've been playing for probably close to 4 hours and it hasn't ended yet.

I havta say that I really enjoy using the XMB. There's some serious charm to this interface once you start using it.

I just wish that the PSN downloads were faster and that the thing had background downloading. All in all tough, I'm going to seriously enjoy this thing.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 18, 2009, 11:24 pm

Yeah Patapon is fun. I haven't tried the second one yet. Got too much going on. Basically just go to Metacritic and sort the PSP reviews by score and go from there.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » June 19, 2009, 4:13 pm

Bobby Kotick, Activision's president and CEO, recently shared a grim outlook regarding the company's future with Sony. Kotick simply isn't pleased with how Activision's games are doing on the PlayStation 3 and PSP.

“I'm getting concerned about Sony; the PlayStation 3 is losing a bit of momentum and they don't make it easy for me to support the platform," he told the Times Online. “It's expensive to develop for the console, and
the Wii and the Xbox are just selling better. Games generate a better return on invested capital on the Xbox than on the PlayStation.”

He also suggests that because the PlayStation is touting the highest price tag and not the highest sales, it's high time for a price cut.

“They have to cut the price, because if they don't, the attach rates [the number of games each console owner buys] are likely to slow. If we are being realistic, we might have to stop supporting Sony.” Regarding when he says, “When we look at 2010 and 2011, we might want to consider if we support the console — and the PSP [portable] too.”

With Modern Warfare 2, Tony Hawk Ride and more Guitar Hero on the horizon, it's no surprise that Kotick wants to make sure Activision's biggest titles do well on Sony's platform. All we can do is wait and see what Sony has to say regarding the hypothetical separation.

This could be a potential kick in the balls for Sony. Say what you want about Activision making shovelware, etc but they make a lot of huge sellers.

Source

miir · Post by **miir** » June 19, 2009, 5:43 pm

Call of Duty and WOW are Activision's cash-cows.
Tony Hawk game sales have bottomed out. There hasn't been a TH game on the 360/PS3/Wii that has moved even close to a million units.
The sales of each successive Guitar Hero game have been declining rapidly. The last 3 GH releases haven't reached 1 million in sales.

He also suggests that because the PlayStation is touting the highest price tag and not the highest sales, it's high time for a price cut.

The funny thing is that if you compare sales from date of release, the PS3 is actually outselling the 360.
52 weeks after release, their sales were nearly identical (PS3 - 5.626m, 360 - 5.534m)
104 weeks after release, the PS3 had sold 16.375m while the 360 had sold 13.205m.
The PS3 has been on sale for (roughly) 136 weeks and has sold 22.754 million units.
136 weeks after release, the 360 had sold 19.216 million units.

The price point of the PS3 has not really affected it's sales.

Sony made a multimedia entertainment system. A good percentage of people who own a PS3 are not gamers at all and bought it primarily for the Blu-ray player.
The 360 is primarily a gaming system that coincidentally has some uses as a multimedia entertainment system. The target demographic for the 360 is gamers.

This is the reason the 360's attach rate is considerably higher than the PS3.

Bobby Kotick is clearly an idiot.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » June 19, 2009, 7:22 pm

yes, many people who buy PS3s don't do so with the intention of playing games on it. that doesn't invalidate his point.. it supports it. it doesn't matter how many PS3s are sold versus other systems, he doesn't even mention it... all that matters in this context is game sales.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 19, 2009, 7:44 pm

How exactly does it support his point?

The PS3 is selling at a faster rate than the 360 despite it's higher price point.
Lowering the price point of the console is not going to magically increase the attach rate.
The Wii has a lower price point than the 360 and sells a fuckton more units but it's attach rate is roughly the same as the PS3.

There is no logical correlation between a console's price point and it's attach rate.

The Wii and PS3 have a much more diverse demographic than the 360 which is the reason they have lower attach rates.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that casual gamers and multimedia enthusiasts (who are buying the PS3 and Wii) are going to buy fewer games than 'serious gamers' (who are buying the 360).

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 19, 2009, 8:00 pm

The PS3 blows. Hate it.

Horrible controller.

I'm glad people are getting use out of it as a subsidized Blu Ray player. I'm sure that thrills Activision knowing that there's a bunch of people that bought it because Sony made it attractive as a stand alone Blu Ray player.

I hope Activision drops PS3 support. That would crush their already screwed up system. Sony failed in marketing and design (throw in graphics card at last minute), crappy platform to design for, and total lack of innovation.

Microsoft deserves to win this round, already has, and they're only getting stronger with their recent announcements.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » June 19, 2009, 9:08 pm

I want a PS3.. I'd love to play Uncharted, LBP, God of War(I just played Chains of Olympus on the PSP and I loved it. I need to find 1 and 2 now..), Infamous and the new Ratchet games.

Here's a question. If I move a PS1 classic game I bought on my PSP to a PS3 and I move the samed games also, will they work? (I recently bought Suikoden and Final Fantasy 7, Metal Gear Solid 1 got released yesterday.).

I'm agreeing with Miir. This is Activision attempting to put pressure on Sony. They won't pull out of PS3 development, they would be losing 20-25% of the console gaming population and their investors would have Kotik's hide.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 19, 2009, 10:33 pm

They should.
I know FF7 works... although I haven't tried to move saved games because I don't want to play FF7 on my PS3 as it looks just awful on a big screen.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 20, 2009, 12:24 am

Winnow wrote:Microsoft deserves to win this round, already has, and they're only getting stronger with their recent announcements.

Give it a rest Winnow, we really don't give a fuck about your opinions on this... we know your mongoloid hands dont fit the PS3 controller, we know oyu love the 360 and we know you think the Wii is just a fad.

Your trolls used to be semi-amusing, now you're just like a broken record.
Find some new material already.

Microsoft has placed a weak second place for 'this round'.
The winners are the consumers who have 3 great consoles and a crapton of great games.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 20, 2009, 1:27 am

miir wrote:
Winnow wrote:Microsoft deserves to win this round, already has, and they're only getting stronger with their recent announcements.
Give it a rest Winnow, we really don't give a fuck about your opinions on this... we know your mongoloid hands dont fit the PS3 controller, we know oyu love the 360 and we know you think the Wii is just a fad.

hello kyoukan jr! speaking for the entire collective now I see!

We don't appreciate that! We like varied opinions on this board. The libs are trying to run everyone off but we won't let them.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 20, 2009, 9:50 am

Seriously dude, you add absolutely nothing to these discussions.
It's the same broken-record trolling bullshit you've been spewing for the last 12-18 months.

Find a new schtick already.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 20, 2009, 10:55 am

I won't change anything I do due to your babbling.

Now if a hot Iranian refugee told me that...that's another story, and another thread!

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » June 20, 2009, 1:10 pm

Xbox has won a distant second place in this round of console wars. PS3 could knock 100$ off it's price and release the rumored slim model and they will never catch up. Sony is already taking a considerable loss on each PS3 they sell, so they have little to no wiggle room with thier price point. With how much the Xbox has been outpacing the PS3 this year, the difference in attachment will only grow. At some point, developers may have to pull a N64 on the PS3 and say fuck it. PS3 already misses out on things likes demos because it's not worth it to companies to pay the bandwidth costs of the PS3 since the attachment rate doesn't make it worth it.

If/when the rumored Wii HD goes live, imagine if a large chunk of the current Wii owners upgrade! MS and Sony may be getting thier figures doubled (tripled for the PS3). These are the same people that own 2-3 versions of the DS, so it's actually possible! Even I would consider a HD Wii because my girls will be older and ready to play with the waggle tech.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 20, 2009, 2:30 pm

PS3 already misses out on things likes demos because it's not worth it to companies to pay the bandwidth costs of the PS3 since the attachment rate doesn't make it worth it.

That makes no sense?
The PS3 has loads of demos.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » June 20, 2009, 3:21 pm

miir wrote:How exactly does it support his point?

The PS3 is selling at a faster rate than the 360 despite it's higher price point.
Lowering the price point of the console is not going to magically increase the attach rate.
The Wii has a lower price point than the 360 and sells a fuckton more units but it's attach rate is roughly the same as the PS3.

There is no logical correlation between a console's price point and it's attach rate.

The Wii and PS3 have a much more diverse demographic than the 360 which is the reason they have lower attach rates.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that casual gamers and multimedia enthusiasts (who are buying the PS3 and Wii) are going to buy fewer games than 'serious gamers' (who are buying the 360).

It supports it in this way: Most 360 users are game purchasers since that's pretty much the main purpose of a 360. However, since many people seem to have bought a PS3 simply as a Blu-Ray player, you can't say the same for the PS3. They're just 'potential' game purchasers. Moreso than 360 owners.

However if Sony lowered the price on the PS3 then people who are only interested it it for games might actually go out and buy one, along with games, thus upping the attach rate.

Not saying I agree or disagree but that's my take!

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » June 20, 2009, 4:34 pm

miir wrote:
PS3 already misses out on things likes demos because it's not worth it to companies to pay the bandwidth costs of the PS3 since the attachment rate doesn't make it worth it.
That makes no sense?
The PS3 has loads of demos.

Take a look at the demos that the 360 has recieved and the PS3 has not. Maybe that will help make my statement more understandable.

Aslanna pretty much hit it on the head. I would take it a step further and say that the 360 has ended up in a better position to cater to casual and hardcore, as well as have the system be the entertainment hub of the home. The Wii has to work with it's underpowered, non HD capabilities. It will never have a God of War or Gears of War title. Both the PS3 and 360 are able to expand thier hardcore fanbase by kind of working backwards with waggle tech to hopefully tap into the more casual crowd that is pouring money into Nintento. I believe the 360 trumps the PS3 with better online support, netfilx, and all of the upcoming changes like facebook, Twitter, and 1080p instant viewing.

I don't think Sony or MS imagined they would be where they are right now when they first started developing these consoles. I'm curious if the console cycle will be thrown even more out of whack since Sony was late into the game this time. For instance, if MS announced a new console and is able to put it beside the PS3 for the same price, well, that wouldn't be good for anyone.

I don't hate the PS3 by any means. I kind of wish I hadn't sold mine from Xmas so I could play infamous. I just wish Sony would pull thier head out and get a clue. It's frustrating to see them make the same mistakes over and over then try and make it seem like everything is perfectly fine and going according to plan. The only people they are fooling are the ones that want to be fooled.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 20, 2009, 4:43 pm

What demos, specifically?

I download all kinds of demos for my PS3 and PSP

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » June 20, 2009, 4:48 pm

miir wrote:The funny thing is that if you compare sales from date of release, the PS3 is actually outselling the 360.
52 weeks after release, their sales were nearly identical (PS3 - 5.626m, 360 - 5.534m)
104 weeks after release, the PS3 had sold 16.375m while the 360 had sold 13.205m.
The PS3 has been on sale for (roughly) 136 weeks and has sold 22.754 million units.
136 weeks after release, the 360 had sold 19.216 million units.

Man, you really need some perspective. You are comparing the PS3 sales to past figures without taking into account that the 360 is still consistantly outselling the PS3 on a monthly basis, sometimes by significant margins. Not only does this mean the 360 keeps pulling ahead even further, it means they will always be ahead. I've heard this same argument used for Blu Ray vs DVD while they just ignore the fact that DVDs still sell 95% more units! It's just not catching on the way people think in thier heads no matter how they try and twist the numbers in thier favor and rationalize.

When I was trying to decide between a PS3 and a 360 two years ago, it was a really tough choice. If I had to make the choice today, it would be simple.

If the next generation comes around and Sony doesn't overcharge and has a superior online component than MS, I'll go back to Sony and not bat an eye. I have no brand loyalty.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 20, 2009, 4:49 pm

Dude, you're a fucking moron.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » June 20, 2009, 4:57 pm

miir wrote:What demos, specifically?

I download all kinds of demos for my PS3 and PSP

Then you don't care what you're missing. That works too. Besides, I know your game now. I would list them and you would say something lke "oh, I didn't want to play any of those anyway" or "no one likes those games, they all suck".

If you really care to check it out, Google is your friend.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 20, 2009, 5:04 pm

No seriously, what demos?

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » June 22, 2009, 2:06 am

Miir wrote:Give it a rest Winnow, we really don't give a fuck about your opinions on this... we know your mongoloid hands dont fit the PS3 controller, we know oyu love the 360 and we know you think the Wii is just a fad.

Your trolls used to be semi-amusing, now you're just like a broken record.
Find some new material already.

My hands don't fit the PS3 controller, I love the 360, and I think the Wii is a (lucrative) fad. Your eye-rolling schtick does little to reign in the followers you crave, and Winnow has contributed plenty of positive material to this forum and this thread. YOU find some new material. This thread rules and you don't need to treat the counter-point like some sort of powerless zombie that you're going to headshot as soon as it saunters closer.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » June 22, 2009, 10:08 am

Seriously, how can the Wii be just a (lucrative) fad when it's been the dominant home console for two and a half years, the entirety of this generation, with no sign of change in the near future? How long does it take to get out of fad territory?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » June 22, 2009, 10:59 am

Skimming this thread from page 1-19 is pretty awesome. So many quotable lines that show how wrong people were in thier predictions!