The right wingers just need to let this guy fall completely off the radar. They clung to him during the primaries, but much like Palin, the more he talks and the more we learn about him the worse he appears. Stop using this guy as some sort of mascot for your party!
Here is an article for an evangelical christian site.
In the last month, same-sex marriage has become legal in Iowa and Vermont. What do you think about same-sex marriage at a state level?
At a state level, it's up to them. I don't want it to be a federal thing. I personally still think it's wrong. People don't understand the dictionary—it's called queer. Queer means strange and unusual. It's not like a slur, like you would call a white person a honky or something like that. You know, God is pretty explicit in what we're supposed to do—what man and woman are for. Now, at the same time, we're supposed to love everybody and accept people, and preach against the sins. I've had some friends that are actually homosexual. And, I mean, they know where I stand, and they know that I wouldn't have them anywhere near my children. But at the same time, they're people, and they're going to do their thing.
WTF? Read the whole thing. It's like Joe the Plumber is Midnyte and Killmol's love child!
You are such a fucking idiot. Exactly how do I relate to that moron? In exactly one fucking way total....and that is not being gung ho for gay marriage.
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:And you imbeciles wonder why this place has died.
Actually, it's the right-wing nutjobs who keep crying about how this place has died.
Oh come on miir, it's totally evident. A lot of people still post on VV but no longer post in CE, and a lot of people that mainly posted in CE have moved on.
The tone of Fairweather's posts (not just in CE) is a perfect example of why this has happened. People not only take the "You're an idiot if you don't see how right I am" attitude here, but to make it worse many are hostile about it to an absurd degree. I know some people seem to think that's why everyone comes to vv, but you're sadly mistaken if you truly think that's the case anymore.
My opinion is that Joe the Plumber is a bigot with some really creepy religious views and he seems in line with everything I dislike about the far right. Instead of crying about it, you could say why you support what Joe is saying in the article. If you don't agree with him, it seems like you would agree with the point of view.
Fairweather Pure wrote:My opinion is that Joe the Plumber is a bigot with some really creepy religious views and he seems in line with everything I dislike about the far right. Instead of crying about it, you could say why you support what Joe is saying in the article. If you don't agree with him, it seems like you would agree with the point of view.
I haven't followed him at all, because I'm not interested. However, from the little I've read I think you are probably not too off on what you are saying on this particular topic. However, the general attitude that anyone conservative is a retard and needs to start sacrificing their beliefs to be more like the liberals is ridiculous, and the hostile way that these ridiculous opinions are relayed in makes the environment in this forum be one that many people aren't interested in anymore.
I think the main reason that this board sees a lot less activity is more of a function of the amount of time it's been since virtually everyone who ever posted here has played EQ than anything else. I think most of us haven't been playing for longer than we ever actually played. I would be willing to bet that the amount of time spent on any online games by the original community of this board is only a fraction of what it was in 2002 or 2003 or whenever we started this board. That comes as a result of people being at different points in their lives than they were back then, and it would be crazy to think that the same factors that add to that attrition wouldn't affect us just the same.
First and foremost, this board was for veeshanites. People came to find out EQ information or to see our server's drama, and while they were here visited CE. Or they had friends that they saw in game all the time that they'd interact with here in their downtime. As those things begin to deteriorate, so does our little community here.
While some of you may feel that a huge number of people have thrown up their arms in disgust at what goes on in CE and left as a result, I believe that's just your persecution complex. It's mostly just forum entropy.
"It's like these guys take pride in being ignorant."- Barack Obama
Sylvus wrote:I think the main reason that this board sees a lot less activity is more of a function of the amount of time it's been since virtually everyone who ever posted here has played EQ than anything else. I think most of us haven't been playing for longer than we ever actually played. I would be willing to bet that the amount of time spent on any online games by the original community of this board is only a fraction of what it was in 2002 or 2003 or whenever we started this board. That comes as a result of people being at different points in their lives than they were back then, and it would be crazy to think that the same factors that add to that attrition wouldn't affect us just the same.
First and foremost, this board was for veeshanites. People came to find out EQ information or to see our server's drama, and while they were here visited CE. Or they had friends that they saw in game all the time that they'd interact with here in their downtime. As those things begin to deteriorate, so does our little community here.
While some of you may feel that a huge number of people have thrown up their arms in disgust at what goes on in CE and left as a result, I believe that's just your persecution complex. It's mostly just forum entropy.
I don't totally agree, obviously.
I think that what you are saying has obviously happened, but I think it's happened already... (if that makes sense). And that the decrease in activity in CE over the last 6 months to a year in particular has had a lot more to do with what I said.
Edit: Also, even assuming your theory was correct, how do you explain the number of people that still post here with varying frequency but no longer post in CE?
Fairweather Pure wrote:My opinion is that Joe the Plumber is a bigot with some really creepy religious views and he seems in line with everything I dislike about the far right. Instead of crying about it, you could say why you support what Joe is saying in the article. If you don't agree with him, it seems like you would agree with the point of view.
And yet you have this urge to associate that I am exactly like Joe the extreme right winger, even though I do not and have not ever agreed with 90% of what he has to say in that article and otherwise. I do not even wholly support his views towards homosexuals or marriage of homosexuals.
Funkmasterr wrote:Edit: Also, even assuming your theory was correct, how do you explain the number of people that still post here with varying frequency but no longer post in CE?
I'm pretty sure that has absolutely nothing to do with the right wing fishing that goes on in the CE forum and is entirely the fault of the liberals.
Funkmasterr wrote:Edit: Also, even assuming your theory was correct, how do you explain the number of people that still post here with varying frequency but no longer post in CE?
I'm pretty sure that has absolutely nothing to do with the right wing fishing that goes on in the CE forum and is entirely the fault of the liberals.
I never claimed that there aren't some conservative types that contribute to the bullshit - but considering the way you usually respond to stuff, xyun, xatrei, nick, etc, etc I can't imagine any way you could claim that there is a equal share of the blame.
Do you really think, by volume, that the conservatives do more bitching than the liberals did over the last 8 years? The amount of whining and outrage that you, as a group, did over the last 8 years was by FAR the largest factor in driving people away from this forum than every other factor combined, entropy included. I still talk to people who used to post here and in damn near every single case, it is the ultra left wing liberal bitchfest that caused them to not even bother reading here, much less post. So gratz to you on accomplishing something.
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:And yet you have this urge to associate that I am exactly like Joe the extreme right winger, even though I do not and have not ever agreed with 90% of what he has to say in that article and otherwise. I do not even wholly support his views towards homosexuals or marriage of homosexuals.
And yet, this guy and his views are the base of your entire political party. You really need to come to terms with the fact that you do not believe in 90% of what he is saying here. Once you back that up with Funk's view (and Rush/Hannity ect), that the right should never alter their views or compromise is exactely why your party is dead in the water right now and has absolutely no future if it does not change. It is the reason some republicans are desperately trying to steer the ship in a different direction. However, they are getting so much resistance from within what is left of the republican party that is is only cementing the outsider's worst views of them.
If/when there is a split of your party, would you go with the fiscal or socail conservative side? FYI, the social on would be the larger of the two.
It's worth pointing out that plenty of intelligent, thoughtful liberal sorts have left the CE boards. It's not just conservatives being run away by our lefty persecution. While there is plenty of liberal asshattery from this board, and I don't mean to diminish that, the conservatives on this board (while outnumbered) have, at times, displayed a stunning ability to derail any interesting conversation into some worthless bullshit. Midnyte was probably the primary offender, along with that dude... Metanis? Yeah, that dude.
And on to this: I wonder if the homosexual "friends" who JtP won't let around his children consider JtP to be a "friend" to them.
Fairweather Pure wrote:
And yet, this guy and his views are the base of your entire political party.
Whoa there. This is where you are entirely wrong. It may be the views of the most vocal of that party, but there is a much larger majority of said party that would be labeled moderates. Just because the media latches onto some bullshit and labels it as the model for something does not make it so. Joe the plumber means about as much to me as a symbol of the GOP as that idiot Jared from Subway means to me as an icon for good health. Both of them need to be off the airwaves and the media needs to stop putting them there.
If/when there is a split of your party, would you go with the fiscal or socail conservative side? FYI, the social on would be the larger of the two.
I thought I have made it abundantly clear that I am an independant and I will not ever be someone that follows a party platform simply because they say it should be that way. I find there are things in the liberal agenda that fit my beliefs more so than the typical conservative view. I would love to see the party system entirely trashed and elections held on the individual's platforms rather than some extremist opposing party platforms.
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I still talk to people who used to post here and in damn near every single case, it is the ultra left wing liberal bitchfest that caused them to not even bother reading here, much less post. So gratz to you on accomplishing something.
This forum was ruined by a handful of idiots who turned every. single. thread. into pointless name-calling or aimless point-scoring that bore no relevance to the original point.
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if you were walking around and you came upon a tulip with tits, would you let it be for the rest of the world to enjoy.. or would you pick it and carry it off to a secluded area to motorboat them?
-Cadalano
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Do you really think, by volume, that the conservatives do more bitching than the liberals did over the last 8 years? The amount of whining and outrage that you, as a group, did over the last 8 years was by FAR the largest factor in driving people away from this forum than every other factor combined, entropy included. I still talk to people who used to post here and in damn near every single case, it is the ultra left wing liberal bitchfest that caused them to not even bother reading here, much less post. So gratz to you on accomplishing something.
You can QQ all you like, but most of the "whining and outrage" was proved to be warranted eventually, and continues to be proven.
Plus, despite your persecution complex for those right of centre, most people on the left of centre have consistently played the ball and not the man... until that man decided to attack contrary views on a personal level.
It's ok, I'm pretty sure we can continue to have discussions here without the religious right.
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June 2005 - "The mission isn't easy, and it will not be accomplished overnight"
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