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Sen. Specter is a senior republican senator (30 years) and he is switching to the Democratic party. Once Al Franken wins his little battle, which is a forgone conclusion, the Democrats will have the 60 person majority.

The republicans are currently having an emergency leadership meeting to discuss the defection. I'll go ahead and predict they will turn their backs on him, downplay everything he has ever done as a republican, and continue their "us vs. them" politics in a time where it continues to hurt them.

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He's a moderate, so I don't really see this making a huge difference in his voting record, unlike Richard Shelby who has gradually transformed from moderate Democrat to nutty conservatard following his defection to the Grand Obstructionist Party in the 90's. Even so, this news has kept a grin on my face since I read about it a bit ago.
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I imagine his behavior will change a bit, although not that drastically, since he will have a new network of friends and a new set of enemies and new political relationships to navigate and so forth.

I think that the current iteration of the GOP is fucking nuts and that Arlen Specter made the right decision to get out, even though it certainly was electorally motivated to some degree. Those two motivations-- "the GOP no longer matches my principles" and "I can't win a GOP primary"-- are intertwined.

Nonetheless, it's sad for the Republican Party and American politics generally. A GOP that is too extreme is bad for everyone. I'd rather have a moderate Democratic party with 55 seats and a moderate Republican party with 45 seats than a moderate Democratic party with 65 seats and an extremist Republican party with 35. And that's the direction we're currently on.
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Sueven wrote: Nonetheless, it's sad for the Republican Party and American politics generally. A GOP that is too extreme is bad for everyone. I'd rather have a moderate Democratic party with 55 seats and a moderate Republican party with 45 seats than a moderate Democratic party with 65 seats and an extremist Republican party with 35. And that's the direction we're currently on.
Agreed.

Anytime you have a majority Senate, House, and same party president, it is bad for the US.

I don't care what side you are on. When one party can push through their agenda with no chance of it being debated / bargained / whatever - it's bad news.
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Interesting that this happens to you guys too: our last couple parliaments have had some fairly high floor crossings but I wasn't sure it happened in the US.

I really don't know much about Specter but I have to admit I cringe at people switching parties, even when its for the party I prefer, because I feel it kinda undermines democratic process. I'd much rather see elected officials who feel compelled to leave their party sit as an independent until the next election, vote their conscience and then seek the party nomination of their choice in the next round. It feels like a betrayal of the voting public to me when your guy switches parties... but thats just me. I also hate the current way parties are structured and seem to be monolithic (and dogmatic) blocks as opposed to something like the temporary alliances of the British parliament of the early 19th century. I think the way things run now detracts from the "vote for the best person for the job" because you have the caveat of "as long as the party they represent isn't totally abhorent to you".
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Specter is a scumbag and only changed parties because he was going to lose if he didn't.

He also is the author of the 'single bullet theory.' Sorry but anyone attached to the investigation of JFK's assassination should no longer be in power.
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I've always liked him. He is fairly moderate and worked with both parties on important legislation. His party has been actively actively supporting the more conservative Republican to run against Specter in the primaries- after 29 years of service. It was their decision as much as his. They are kicking out anyone that isn't in line with their right wing extremist views.
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It sure didn't take long for the republicans to turn. Hannity's radio program already had sound bytes from last year to use against Specter. The republican party is cannibalizing itself. Lashing out so strongly at one if their own so soon may very well come back and bite them. Well, what is left of them.

I feel sorry for the Democrat that was fixing to run against Specter in 2010! I heard he had already raised 600k, LOL. That poor bastard.
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Fash wrote:Specter is a scumbag and only changed parties because he was going to lose if he didn't.

He also is the author of the 'single bullet theory.' Sorry but anyone attached to the investigation of JFK's assassination should no longer be in power.
This is actually a good thing for republicans. If he didn't switch Tooney would have won the primary and then been crushed in the general by a real democrat. And who knows, perhaps he will switch back when the republicans realize they can't win elections with just the crazies.
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I was saying months ago that the republican party is set for a split. There will be the fiscally conservative on one side, and the socially conservative on the other. Right now, the GOP is divided on this axis and both sides simply do not get along. Chasing every moderate out of the party is going to leave them with nothing but fundies, gun nuts, and rich old white guys.
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Canoe wrote:Anytime you have a majority Senate, House, and same party president, it is bad for the US.
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I don't really like Specter either. This is the guy who made investigating Spygate a priority. Go fucking fix health care, don't spend any of your valuable time on the fucking NFL.
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the level of buffoonery in this thread is overwhelming. How is it good for the US to have imbeciles controlling any part of the government? I don't remember Republicans crying about having total control for 6 years, only AFTER the destruction and demise do people come here and spout this ridiculous nonsense.

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Yeah those Carter years ROCKED!!!

Are you completely caught up in your democratic rhetoric to not see there are a lot of assholes in both parties? Republican does not always = bad and Democrat = good.
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Tyek wrote:Yeah those Carter years ROCKED!!!

Are you completely caught up in your democratic rhetoric to not see there are a lot of assholes in both parties? Republican does not always = bad and Democrat = good.
While I would normally agree, the remaining Republicans are all that is left of the Old Guard. These guys are obstinate, hardcore politicians that are digging in and trying to anchor the party line for no other reason than that is what they feel their only choice is. I agree with the previous point, that an even split of moderates is perferred, but the chaff that is left of the Republican party in Washington is pretty much nothing but the right wing nut jobs. Replace these guys in 2010, even with younger and less crazy Republicans, and I will feel better about the whole situation. Replace some of our older, Blue Dog career Dems with younger and more moderate dems and I would be equally happy.

There are 2 more moderate Senate Republicans out there, both women I believe, and many of the remaining, vocal hardcore republican voting base are calling for their heads too. The way they continually eat their own should be disconcerning to their voter base.

I'm telling you, running Palin as VP was a red herring for the future of the Republican party. They better learn from that mistake. If they repeat it, I see Democratic control lasting a long, long time and the Republican party becoming even more marginalized and fractured.
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Tyek wrote:Yeah those Carter years ROCKED!!!

Are you completely caught up in your democratic rhetoric to not see there are a lot of assholes in both parties? Republican does not always = bad and Democrat = good.
I'm playing the odds. Odds are that we are better off in the long run with progressives in power instead of conservatives. If you want to name names and look at history, conservatives gave us the secession of the South and the subsequent civil war, Hoover, Nixon, and Bush. The record really does speak for itself. You morons even voted Bush and his party back in after they had completely exposed themselves to be utter fucking failures. You gave them control of all 3 branches for 6 grueling disastrous years. Please stop fucking crying when you are the fucking cause of the calamity we are in. It's pretty fucking hypocritical.
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Xyun wrote:I don't remember Republicans crying about having total control for 6 years, only AFTER the destruction and demise do people come here and spout this ridiculous nonsense.
Don't know if I fall into the camp of "the republicans", but had I been given any non-loony to vote for I'd have voted democrat just to balance the books back then. Didn't like that situation, don't like this one either.
Xyun wrote:Please stop fucking crying when you are the fucking cause of the calamity we are in.
So you're saying our current issues came from one side of the isle? I'd have thought the kool-aid would have worn off by now.

Bush handed the Democrats truckloads of rocks to throw at him for years and what did they do? Stayed silent and kept taking the money, that's what. Look who's in charge, same batch of crooks who've been there for years.
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Aabidano wrote:
Xyun wrote:I don't remember Republicans crying about having total control for 6 years, only AFTER the destruction and demise do people come here and spout this ridiculous nonsense.
Don't know if I fall into the camp of "the republicans", but had I been given any non-loony to vote for I'd have voted democrat just to balance the books back then. Didn't like that situation, don't like this one either.
Xyun wrote:Please stop fucking crying when you are the fucking cause of the calamity we are in.
So you're saying our current issues came from one side of the isle? I'd have thought the kool-aid would have worn off by now.

Bush handed the Democrats truckloads of rocks to throw at him for years and what did they do? Stayed silent and kept taking the money, that's what. Look who's in charge, same batch of crooks who've been there for years.
You shouldn't have bothered replying to him. Everything he says is obviously right, conservatives are stupid and anyone that says any different is obviously... well... stupid. It doesn't surprise me that someone that is obviously lacking in a sense of responsibility and will resort to misleading people as opposed to getting a real job would say the shit he says and believe the things he does.
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Xyun wrote:
Tyek wrote:Yeah those Carter years ROCKED!!!

Are you completely caught up in your democratic rhetoric to not see there are a lot of assholes in both parties? Republican does not always = bad and Democrat = good.
I'm playing the odds. Odds are that we are better off in the long run with progressives in power instead of conservatives. If you want to name names and look at history, conservatives gave us the secession of the South and the subsequent civil war, Hoover, Nixon, and Bush. The record really does speak for itself. You morons even voted Bush and his party back in after they had completely exposed themselves to be utter fucking failures. You gave them control of all 3 branches for 6 grueling disastrous years. Please stop fucking crying when you are the fucking cause of the calamity we are in. It's pretty fucking hypocritical.

And you had Dems give us Johnson, Carter, and all of the Clinton scandals. You may not remember Carter's era, but it made the GWB terms look like heaven....and that was the last time the Dems had control of every branch for a REASON. For all the bullshit you spout about Bush and his spending, it was a Democrat controlled Congress putting the spending bills through. Without any opposition held by another party, we know from past experience over the last 30 years that bad things can and will happen. You are just absolutely foolish to think that just because Bush was bad that doing the opposite is good. We NEED moderates in control. The days of hardcore anything need to be over as they are split so devisively now that the taxpayers are going to be screwed forever until something happens to completely drop the bottom out of the country and the system is rebuilt from the ground up.
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Aabidano wrote:
Xyun wrote:I don't remember Republicans crying about having total control for 6 years, only AFTER the destruction and demise do people come here and spout this ridiculous nonsense.
Don't know if I fall into the camp of "the republicans", but had I been given any non-loony to vote for I'd have voted democrat just to balance the books back then. Didn't like that situation, don't like this one either.
Xyun wrote:Please stop fucking crying when you are the fucking cause of the calamity we are in.
So you're saying our current issues came from one side of the isle? I'd have thought the kool-aid would have worn off by now.

Bush handed the Democrats truckloads of rocks to throw at him for years and what did they do? Stayed silent and kept taking the money, that's what. Look who's in charge, same batch of crooks who've been there for years.

You shouldn't have bothered replying to him. Everything he says is obviously wrong, liberals are stupid and anyone that says any different is obviously... well... even more stupiderer. It doesn't surprise me that someone that is obviously lacking in a sense of responsibility and will resort to misleading people as opposed to getting a real job would say the shit he says and believe the things he does.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:and all of the Clinton scandals.
LMAO, you go girl. Compare getting your dick sucked by an employee to starting 2 wars and eroding your constitution.

Next up, why shop lifting should attract the death penalty.

As for Dems passing spending bills for the reublicans, wasn't most of that on said wars, meaning you would have gone completely mental if they blocked them?
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I suppose you never heard of Whitewater. If that mess had been Bush, the media in this country would have been on him like white hair on grandma. Clinton was a felon and should have been indicted for lying on the witness stand and prosecuted/jailed.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Clinton was a felon
For what felony was Clinton convited?
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miir wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Clinton was a felon
For what felony was Clinton convited?
If you weren't such a pinko faggot, you'd know that he was never convicted because he kept MURDERING all of the people who could rat him out!!!


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He was never tried for the perjury crime that he committed, even though it was public knowledge and reported in the media. As to why they declined to prosecute a crime that is a felony in the US and punishable with up to 5 years of prison time, I have no idea. Barry Bonds may well be doing time for the exact same crime.
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So he's not actually a felon.

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he is a criminal that was not convicted....he did commit a felony and was not prosecuted for it. Same as you idiots calling Bush a war criminal
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So just to claify...
He was never charged, tried or convicted of any felony.


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Corect. He committed a felony, but was never charged with it or tried with it. As far as I can tell, the statute of limitations has expired on that as well.
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OJ was innocent!



I know I should care more about what Clinton did but I really don't. I can't blame the most powerful man in the world for wanting to get his pole smoked. The only thing I can fault him for really is his choice of person to do that with. I mean hell, JFK had Marilyn.
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It's always better to have checks and balances, but the Democrats generally have more dissenters within their ranks. The Democratic party has welcomed in many conservatives, some of which would be Republicans had that party not become an extremist Borg-like entity.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:he is a criminal that was not convicted....he did commit a felony and was not prosecuted for it. Same as you idiots calling Bush a war criminal
Only you, well maybe Midnyte and Funk too.. would compare lying about a blowjob to getting Americans killed for money.
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Siji wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
Only you, well maybe Midnyte and Funk too.. would compare lying about a blowjob to getting Americans killed for money.
Being distracted by getting a BJ is what got a lot of innocent people killed.



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Winnow wrote:
Siji wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
Only you, well maybe Midnyte and Funk too.. would compare lying about a blowjob to getting Americans killed for money.
Being distracted by getting a BJ is what got a lot of innocent people killed.
That would be the right's fault.
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Winnow wrote:Being distracted by getting a BJ is what got a lot of innocent people killed.
If you weren't trolling, I'd feel bad for you.

The blowjob was free to the taxpayer, we should be thanking Lewinsky for lowering Clinton's stress levels without raising taxes. We should have hired her for Bush. On the other hand, the millions spent by the refuckians trying to get Clinton impeached (epic fail! bitter much?) and all the time necessary for him to spend with legal teams because of their push was quite pathetic.
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wasn't just a BJ. He was fucking the hired help. Wasn't some whore brought in.

I know you're all used to corruption in politics but it's still NOT OK to have sexual relations with that women, miss Lewinski.(the hired help.)

I know you people are used to assuming politics is full of corruption and blackmail etc ad look the other way...but it's still not OK.

Clinton couldn't keep it in his pants. He was a party president, much like it appears Obama's turning out to be. Watch for the end of eh world to come while Obama's busy playing hoops or showing off Airforce One to the editors of Pimp My Ride.
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Back to the problems of the here and now... both parties are NOT to blame. REPUBLICANS are to blame. What we have here is a frankly ignorant argument that the enablers are just as guilty or sometimes more guilty than the perpetrators. It is the equivalent of blaming Monica Lewinsky for what Clinton did.

The scape goating is laughable. Bush himself called his bare victories a mandate and ignored and even mocked the minority party. I'm not defending the spineless enablers that the Democrats were during those years, I'm just pointing out the enormous logical fallacy that the blame does not fall squarely on conservatives and conservatism. Any denial is frankly delusional and completely out of touch with reality. The core problem with conservatives is that they don't bother letting logic or facts get into the way of their belief system. If something they believe doesn't mesh with reality, they'd rather give up reality than what they believe.
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i come to current events forum primarily for the political labels coyly intermeshed with derogatory terms, and i have to say this one really killed my boner. don't be discouraged though, i'd like to see what else you got
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Can you technically be a felon if you haven't been convicted of a felony? Just asking. i don't honestly know!
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Xyun wrote:I'm not defending the spineless enablers that the Democrats were during those years, I'm just pointing out the enormous logical fallacy that the blame does not fall squarely on conservatives and conservatism. Any denial is frankly delusional and completely out of touch with reality.
I forgot, this is a black and white issue, and totally originated in the last 8-10 years. Bad Bush, bad!

Maybe a touch from Obama's magic hanky will make it all better. Perhaps Biden's would be more appropriate, what industry has he been a champion of for the last 20 years to our detriment?
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Aslanna wrote:Can you technically be a felon if you haven't been convicted of a felony? Just asking. i don't honestly know!
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Xyun wrote: both parties are NOT to blame. REPUBLICANS are to blame. .
you really only needed a sip of the kool-aid and not the 5 gallon bucket. That is one of the dumbest blanket statements anyone has ever made on this board.
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and for the record hero, Obama voted in favor of the war spending bills. Choke on that one for a bit.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:and for the record hero, Obama voted in favor of the war spending bills. Choke on that one for a bit.
I would but I'm too busy laughing over how awesomely pathetic you're going to be for the next 4 (8!) years. O BA MA!
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:and for the record hero, Obama voted in favor of the war spending bills. Choke on that one for a bit.
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