Girl raped after accepting ride from stranger

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » March 10, 2009, 9:30 pm

http://media.www.diamondbackonline.com/ ... 2841.shtml

This is something that happened at my school .. i think last week and i just want to see what you all think about it.

I think its the girls fault, because we get crime alerts twice a week from muggings/peeping toms/etc in college park, just to let u know about the area.

discuss !!

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » March 10, 2009, 11:47 pm

So, you think it's the girl's fault she got raped? Fucking wow. I don't really know what to say to that. I'll have to sleep on it.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » March 10, 2009, 11:53 pm

if you were in an area that you knew had at least 2 muggings/robberies a week and had problems with peeping toms ... would you accept a ride from a strange hispanic man that just pulls up along the road and offers you a ride? i mean seriously, how many people were told by their parents .. don't fucking get into cars with strangers? like it would be different if he forced her into the car or what not but he didn't she WILLINGLY got into the car with him.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 11, 2009, 1:07 am

Did she posess obviously poor judgement by accepting a ride from someone she didn't know? Of course. That doesn't make it "her fault" that she got attacked. Regardless of how she arrived in that situation she is still the victim here.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » March 11, 2009, 2:25 am

see, i did think she was a victim and i did feel bad for her until i found out how stupid she was. you can only claim stupidity and poor judgment so far before you have to take responsibility and say its your fault. its like fucking a girl without a condom when shes ovulating or whatever and saying its not your fault she got preggors because u used poor judgment that it is someone elses

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 11, 2009, 2:45 am

Honestly I think you're totally off your rocker on this one. I just hope the people who make up the jury aren't as narrow minded.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » March 11, 2009, 2:48 am

Being naive is hardly crime enough to deserve being raped. Are you fucking kidding me? If that is your argument, are retarded people deserving of a good raping? How about drunk people? Old people? Children? Keeblers? What kind of backwards ass shit are they teaching you there? I grew up in bizarro-fucking Arkansas and rarely have seen shit as asinine as what you posted. Nice work.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » March 11, 2009, 3:27 am

I'd be disappointed in the amount of stupid if it was my daughter, but I'd also gut the rapist like a fish.

I think that means I place the predominance of the blame on the later...

Spang · Post by **Spang** » March 11, 2009, 3:46 am

People who get raped should be eliminated along with murderers and poor people.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » March 11, 2009, 9:28 am

Don't use lead. Use the new fibroglassiumtritanium shells, that way they don't pollute the buzzards that will eat his raping, liberal leaning corpse.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 11, 2009, 1:31 pm

Drasta, you are a piece of shit

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » March 11, 2009, 1:34 pm

Drasta wrote:would you accept a ride from a strange hispanic man that just pulls up along the road and offers you a ride?.

Racist patrol says, you're mildly racist! no need to mention race. does being hispanic make him strange on its own? Also, the victim is never to blame.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » March 11, 2009, 3:08 pm

Canelek wrote:Being naive is hardly crime enough to deserve being raped. Are you fucking kidding me? If that is your argument, are retarded people deserving of a good raping? How about drunk people? Old people? Children? Keeblers? What kind of backwards ass shit are they teaching you there? I grew up in bizarro-fucking Arkansas and rarely have seen shit as asinine as what you posted. Nice work.

see, i never said she deserved to be raped, i just said its her fault that she got raped because of her idiotic judgment, also the reason i said hispanic is also becacuse of the area, we have a HUGE Hispanic ghetto 5 minute walk from campus

yes what he did was wrong to the girl, but still, how irresponsible do you have to be before its your fault?

People do need to accept some responsibility for their actions, not pass the blame on someone else, they are both at fault. its like if you get in a car knowingly that the driver has had about 15 shots ... and then .. omg you hit a telephone pole... big surprise? NO its ur damn fault for getting in the car with the drunk driver that you got injured! QQ granted the drunk person shouldnt of been driving, but u shouldnt of been a dumb ass and gotten in the car, claiming being naive is a bunch of BS, especially with things that you should know better about doing.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » March 11, 2009, 4:14 pm

Gzette wrote:
Drasta wrote:would you accept a ride from a strange hispanic man that just pulls up along the road and offers you a ride?.
Racist patrol says, you're mildly racist! no need to mention race. does being hispanic make him strange on its own? Also, the victim is never to blame.

It looked to me like Drasta was making the "hispanic" statement because the article said that the man was hispanic. Of course, I actually read the fucking thing and was not looking to flame someone like a typical fucktard.

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » March 11, 2009, 4:18 pm

that analogy is totally fucked.

you can see someone is drunk, you can't see someone is going to rape you. A good analogy to your argument is i would say is me going to Detroit and getting murdered. but omg I should've known, Detroit is a ghetto, so I'm partly to blame for some guy shooting me in the head. I'm so naive for deciding to go to Detroit, when it's common knowledge the city is fucked and full of criminals.

btw racist patrol is still on your ass. you could just have said it was close to a ghetto. not a Hispanic ghetto.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » March 11, 2009, 4:21 pm

I guess we'll have to add Hispanics to the growing list of people to eliminate.

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » March 11, 2009, 4:22 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
Gzette wrote:
Drasta wrote:would you accept a ride from a strange hispanic man that just pulls up along the road and offers you a ride?.
Racist patrol says, you're mildly racist! no need to mention race. does being hispanic make him strange on its own? Also, the victim is never to blame.
It looked to me like Drasta was making the "hispanic" statement because the article said that the man was hispanic. Of course, I actually read the fucking thing and was not looking to flame someone like a typical fucktard.

it said he was "olive skinned and possibly Hispanic." one of the major reasons I pointed it out. it's not 100% true. typical for you to defend racism, even in a mild form, you racist.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » March 11, 2009, 4:25 pm

If you want to say she had poor judgement, I would agree, but you say it is her fault?

That sounds like the old, "she deserved it for dressing like that." arguement.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » March 11, 2009, 4:26 pm

Never take rides from Hispanics.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 11, 2009, 4:35 pm

Someone uses the word "racist" and Kilmoll responds. Coincidence? Yeah... Probably.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » March 11, 2009, 4:36 pm

im not racist against Hispanics, im attracted to them and white guys. =-P Also, Hispanic ghetto is a proper term, but if you would prefer, 5 minutes away from me in an impoverished neighborhood with comprises of 98% Hispanics and has an elevated number of crime reports from the endemic level in the surrounding areas. is that more politically correct and non-racist for you? and your analogy was shit gzette, your talking about an event that has a chance along with getting struck by lightning, now if you said you went into Detroit, and went into i donno, some "Detroit ghetto" and got into a car with some random stranger along side the road, and got shot, then yes, i'd say it was ur own damn fault. don't try and over simplfy this because its not .. "oh i walked outside and got struck by lighting and hes saying its my fault" also .. gzette .. would you take a ride from a stranger in a "ghetto"?

and no, this is different from the "she dressed that way she deserved it" thing. it comes down to .. she was stupid .. and she got raped because of it. i mean .. who hasn't told their kids not to get into cars with strangers? our campus does a TON of things to make us away of the fact that we have a VERY high crime rate in the area and offer many services late at night to help people to make it safely home (we have a free cab/escort service).

hahaha, you all are calling me racist and not even reading the article when it states that he was Hispanic? HAHAHA you stupid fucks =-P and if any of you care, they caught him and he's actually Guatemala(sp?)

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 11, 2009, 4:41 pm

The only stupid fuck here is the original poster. I see you've not yet had anyone back you up on the "it was her fault" claim. There's a good reason for that. Go back to your cave.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » March 11, 2009, 4:43 pm

oh well, a lot of the girls on campus agree with me so /shrug

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » March 11, 2009, 5:07 pm

why do you need all these shitty analogies that are completely different from the real situation? its a simple fucking story- analogies are not necessary. you know your opinion makes you a scumbag. just be proud of it and stop trying to make it anything justifiable.

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » March 11, 2009, 5:24 pm

I wouldn't take a ride with a stranger in a ghetto ... well maybe I would. Sure couldn't be much worse than walking in a ghetto. Anyway, I've picked up hitch hikers in poor towns, and I don't rape them. I'll admit, I realize people aren't full-blown racists when they say a Hispanic did this and black man did that. The issue was mentioned in another post about extraneous details in reporting. That stuff can contribute to a racist society. I don't want to go into it ... it's a completely different topic of discussion. As the linked article used it "an olice-skinned man, possibly Hispanic" is kosher since at the time of its publication, police were looking for a suspect. But when it's an unnecessary detail, it you may be unconsciously conveying your attitudes towards particular race or skin color.

Instead of a headline saying "Suspect arrested in rape" it says "Hispanic man arrested for rape," as if him being Hispanic had anything to do with the crime. Do you think it did?

So take it as you will. I just wanted to point out that it raises a red flag, according to the racist patrol.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » March 11, 2009, 5:27 pm

nah, him being Hispanic had nothing to do with it, they caught some 50 yr old white man looking in some girls 2nd story window yesterday with a ladder against the building at 4 am. and the white ghetto is on the opposite side from the Hispanic one

Hoarmurath · Post by **Hoarmurath** » March 11, 2009, 5:54 pm

It's against the law to rape people. Therefore, no matter how stupid the victim is, she should not have gotten raped, she is not at fault, and the guy who raped her is completely at fault. Or does his apparent lack of proper education excuse him from understanding that you're not supposed ot break the law?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » March 11, 2009, 7:34 pm

Drasta wrote:nah, him being Hispanic had nothing to do with it, they caught some 50 yr old white man looking in some girls 2nd story window yesterday with a ladder against the building at 4 am. and the white ghetto is on the opposite side from the Hispanic one

It's the girls fault for leaving the shade open.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » March 11, 2009, 8:25 pm

oh well, a lot of the girls on campus agree with me so /shrug

A lot of the girls on my campus are stupid fucking idiots so /shrug

Canoe · Post by **Canoe** » March 11, 2009, 9:50 pm

I am truly appalled at this, and flabbergasted that this is even a question.

I really thought when this was first posted that this was a thread drasta posted to just get a rise out of people, but after he/she/it posted all the responses, apparently drasta truly feels this way.

How could you EVER think someone was at fault for something like this and be serious?

Sure did she put herself in a bad position - yes, I don't think that's argued. Was this woman intelligent for doing so - No, again I don't think that can be argued. But to be accused of bringing RAPE on yourself?? My god, can a rational human being truly even consider this as an option?

I honestly don't know what else to say.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » March 11, 2009, 9:52 pm

Good job everyone on sufficiently blasting Drasta so that I didn't have to do it when I got here. For the record, I second everyone who's blasting Drasta.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » March 11, 2009, 10:43 pm

The homosexual male is in fact wrong.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 11, 2009, 10:51 pm

Spang wrote:The homosexual male is in fact wrong.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. Gay people can be wrong too.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » March 11, 2009, 11:58 pm

hahaha, we all have our own opinions =-P and i totally understand where you all are coming from. i just have a strong personal belief of people needing to take responsibility for their own actions. yes, i know my view is dehumanizing, crude and unsympathetic, bla bla bla i just have a very bizarre view on life. And was just expressing my view which you all seem to violently be opposed to because i have a crazy and radical view a very touchy subject and i go against the norm of society of people that have tragic events happen to them are never at fault no matter what .

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » March 12, 2009, 12:11 am

Holy shit, I just read the article.

Drasta, I went to Maryland a few years back. This girl was picked up at Yale and College. Less than a year ago, I lived at Dartmouth and College, less than 5 blocks away. I know the area.

There is sort of a hispanic ghetto fairly close to campus. It's actually not really particularly 'ghetto,' it's just low-income. Most people in the hispanic area that's sort of west of campus are employed and so on, just poor.

However, the hispanic neighborhood is nowhere close to where this girl was picked up. That neighborhood is up 193 to the west, while this girl was abducted on the east side of campus. It's at least a 45 minute walk from one to the other. She was picked up ONE BLOCK from the busiest stretch of college bars in all of college park, in the midst of sorority houses and college students. That's where the fucking bookstore is!

Bordering the neighborhood where she was picked up:

To the north, the neighborhood continues past Frat Row for a few blocks and is then interrupted by a highway and a park. If you continue past the park, you get to a fairly 'ghetto' and largely black neighborhood, Lakeland (where I also used to live), but it's not particularly close.

To the south is University Park, which is a bunch of single family houses owned largely by nice older white families. Good neighborhood.

To the east is more college housing, followed by a metro line, followed by a kind of office park.

To the west is the university.

To reiterate: College Park is kind of shitty in general, but she was abducted in the best, safest part of the town. I've made that EXACT walk while completely wasted probably more than a hundred times, and have never had a problem. Obviously it was stupid to get in a car, but claiming that she was in this horrible ghetto neighborhood is a lie. She wasn't surrounded by a hispanic ghetto, she was surrounded by rich white kids and BMW's with New Jersey license plates. You're lying in order to rationalize what a horrible person you're being on this thread. Also, I like to think of Maryland as a nice school. Please tell me that you haven't yet taken Junior English and you will learn to write before you graduate.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » March 12, 2009, 1:41 am

sueven,

lol seriously, college park is a ghetto, the hispanic place isnt really that far maybe not 5 minutes but its not that far up the road .. .. and dude they have shootings there .... i guess its gotten worse since you've been here .... and people get mugged/beaten up on rt 1 .. its gotten bad.. yes maryland is nice, but when u step off of the school its a shit hole. i mean seriously, we've had armed robberies at leonardtown appts people robbing the game store beside potbellies ... also theres been a lot of muggings on frat row....you'd be suprized how crappy this place has become =-\ its sad i'll start saving my crime reports for you lol. and 90% of the crime is done by people not at the university ... but the university itself is nice .. just college park is blerg ...

and out by the metro? that goes towards PG plaza .. .please tell me your not trying to say that place is nice ...

oh yea, someone robbed the bank on RT 1 right in front of the shopping center with CVS and stuff in it last semester ...

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 12, 2009, 1:49 am

Drasta wrote:oh yea, someone robbed the bank on RT 1 right in front of the shopping center with CVS and stuff in it last semester ...

Bank holding all that money... They were just asking to be robbed. Got what they deserved, really. If you don't want to be robbed don't be a bank. Nobody's fault but theirs.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » March 12, 2009, 1:56 am

Aslanna wrote:
Drasta wrote:oh yea, someone robbed the bank on RT 1 right in front of the shopping center with CVS and stuff in it last semester ...
Bank holding all that money... They were just asking to be robbed. Got what they deserved, really. If you don't want to be robbed don't be a bank. Nobody's fault but theirs.

If the bank was in the habit of piling money on the counter to count their entire holdings, then they would be at fault for the size of the loss when they were robbed. They wouldn't however be responsible for the actual robbery.

Similarly, if you're in the habit of risk taking behaviour eventually you're going to roll craps. For example, if you catch the AIDS because you fuck anything that moves, is it not partially your fault, even if the HIV+ partner you eventually catch it from knows they're infected?

The difference is one is stupidity, the other is a felony.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » March 12, 2009, 1:59 am

exactly what zael said, if the bank was sitting all their money on the counter counting it and someone came in and robbed them, yes it was their own stupid fault they got robbed. same thing with the person that fucked everything that moved, its their fault they got HIV cuz they couldn't keep their legs closed even if the person knows that they had it and didnt tell them, they should take the responsibility and be safe ... not play the stupid/naive card and blame someone else.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » March 12, 2009, 2:00 am

Drasta wrote:i guess its gotten worse since you've been here

Dude, I lived there 9 months ago. I read the crime emails. It's not that bad. What county are you from?

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » March 12, 2009, 2:03 am

im from washington county, where the most violence we have is people shooting deer. and how can you say its not that bad? you grow up in a neighborhood where you have 2 muggings etc a week? i sure didnt, you from PG? lol

Spang · Post by **Spang** » March 12, 2009, 2:07 am

It doesn't matter how dangerous a neighborhood is. If you get raped in it, you are still the victim.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » March 12, 2009, 2:20 am

Drasta...seriously...do you not understand the difference between making a bad decision...and being at fault for the worst possible outcome of your decision?

I think you are just being stubborn here. If you stepped back and thought about this for a second I doubt you'd really think that she is at fault here.

You may as well say that she DESERVED to be raped. I hope(and doubt) that you think that, but that is exactly how it sounds right now.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » March 12, 2009, 2:28 am

TO PUT IT STRAIGHT I DO NOT THINK THAT SHE DESERVED TO BE RAPED! but that her horrible decision making and being utterly stupid resulted in her being raped and im sorry that she had to have something really shitty happen to her as a result of it. im just saying that her stupid decision to get into a car with a man that she did not know in a town that does have issues with crime, and when you put everything together, i am not surprised that this happened to her. i believe that she does share some of the blame though because she WILLINGLY got into the car with him maybe like 20/80 but a small part of it is her own stupid fault. if that clears it up any...

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » March 12, 2009, 2:45 am

Alright Drasta, time to go watch "The Accused" again.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » March 12, 2009, 2:58 am

I think everyone would agree that it was not wise to get into that car. But there's a big leap from "she made a bad decision" to "it's her fault".

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » March 12, 2009, 3:03 am

i think i might of actually seen that a long long time ago .. i'll watch it this weekend also .. im not saying its 100% her fault .. im just saying that she too is at fault just not as much as the guy, but she does have a share of it, not as large of one. but still a piece

Ok heres a hypothetical scenario ...

Kid(A) finds daddys gun in sock drawer and shoots Kid(B) while playing with gun

Who is at fault?

Kid(A)
Kid(B)
Daddy

Same scenario as above .. except this time the gun was locked in a safe ... does it change who is at fault?

I'd say the dad when he kept it in the sock draw (irresponsible) and Kid(A) in the 2nd one since he took it out of the locked safe since the dad took a responsible route and locked it up.

but im sure someone is going to say its Kid(B) since they are the one that got shot so to weigh in on that .. if the kid(B) was ok with Kid(A) playing with the gun then Kid(B) also is at fault even tho he got shot. If Kid(B) was against Kid(A) playing with the gun and told him it was a bad idea then Kid(B) would not be at fault due to good decision making

thats my opinion anyways feel free to say im a horrible person

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » March 12, 2009, 4:26 am

Dude... I dunno how you think these dots are connecting here, but Pee-Wee would NOT approve.

(No I know you're not a horrible person, but I'm surprised that you're still trying to legitimize your initial remarks with these horrible analogies.)

Spang · Post by **Spang** » March 12, 2009, 4:28 am

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » March 12, 2009, 4:36 am

Thank you Spang