ninja looting...

Momopi · Post by **Momopi** » January 20, 2003, 1:45 pm

If someone were to ninjaloot a hat off the AoW for example, would the GM
have records of who did it? If they do have such records, are they supposed to help get the item back that was stolen from the guild in question?

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » January 20, 2003, 1:59 pm

Not sure about that, but it is always best to keep your log running during any encounter of that nature so you have some evidence. In the case of jackassery, you can always review your log and find out who did what, etc.

It would be nice to see what the GMs stance on this is now as well as their other policies such as guild vs. guild conflicts, etc..

Tuldian · Post by **Tuldian** » January 20, 2003, 2:12 pm

Yes they do have a log of it and can trace who looted it, even if the character were logged off, or even deleted, they'd be able to track it down to the account and so on.

I heard about what happened, complete bs from the CS.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 20, 2003, 2:21 pm

They've done it a few times that I know of, did one of the CS folks say they couldn't?

I don't know how long they maintain the logs, a couple weeks I'd think.

Draaxx · Post by **Draaxx** » January 20, 2003, 2:35 pm

On halloween a year ago I was with a group of people in North Ro doing the big snake thing event and we were waiting for a friend to come and loot one of the items, well some random noob came and helped himself and a GM found out who did it and gave the item back to the person it was supposed to go to. So yes, they can trace who loots what and such should they feel motivated to, although 99.9999999999999% of the time they would rather keep watching Sponge Bob Square Pants instead of doing their job.

Drustwyn · Post by **Drustwyn** » January 20, 2003, 2:36 pm

As far as I recall:

GM's usually have a 'you can send your log files to us and we will take a look' attitude, but they never 'count' for much... They also don't accept screenshots as proof of anything.

The (supposed) best way of getting your ninja'ed item back is to have a /report of your group/guild killing the mob... also /report any other shit between the ninja and joo.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 20, 2003, 2:44 pm

CT had to /petition on a regular basis for awhile on every Dain kill. They always got the items back from the ninja within a day.

noel · Post by **noel** » January 20, 2003, 3:02 pm

Momo,

You guys don't have any clue who did it?

Momopi · Post by **Momopi** » January 20, 2003, 3:09 pm

Not really because once AoW pops OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of people love to come running to get a faction hit. Most of us were distracted because our necro made the AoW corpse into a pet heh. The two rings were still there but the hat was gone pecan. I was under the impression that the GMs were supposed to help out on things like this but I guess we got the lazy ones. I hope it works out for us and the GMs come through in the end.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 20, 2003, 3:10 pm

Aranuil wrote:Momo,

You guys don't have any clue who did it?

I dont think they do, I was on the Raid with them and after the kill I said gratz and see ya and proceeded to leave Raid ( Big Fucking Mistake ). As soon as I left raid heads turned so I sat there until a GM could vindicate me what a waste of a night.

noel · Post by **noel** » January 20, 2003, 3:25 pm

My understanding, Momo is as Tuldian said. GMs have logs of every single transaction that takes place in the database. If an item changes hands, they have logs to track it. I would recommend you take your most eloquent speaker, and have them pursue action with the GMs by sending an email and/or calling.

Good luck.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 20, 2003, 3:29 pm

Aranuil wrote:My understanding, Momo is as Tuldian said. GMs have logs of every single transaction that takes place in a database. If an item changes hands, they have logs to track it. I would recommend you take your most eloquent speaker, and have them pursue action with the GMs by sending an email and/or calling.

Good luck.

They cant do that Slab is gone

J/k

Trek · Post by **Trek** » January 20, 2003, 3:43 pm

GM told me Cartalas did it

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 20, 2003, 3:44 pm

Trek wrote:GM told me Cartalas did it

Hmmm i now know why the guy was in your face.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 20, 2003, 4:19 pm

GMs can definitely go back and see who looted the item. Not even a question about it. Had an item I was awarded get ninjaed and dealt with the mess for 3 days. Widjan was the one who finally gave me the item....so even the GMs you think are useless have this capability.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 20, 2003, 5:54 pm

I SPAWNED IT THE HAT WAS MINE

I SPAWNED IT

masteen · Post by **masteen** » January 20, 2003, 6:04 pm

Cartalas is a slick and 1337 ninja, vary smooth and powah

JloveFizzboom · Post by **JloveFizzboom** » January 20, 2003, 6:48 pm

/report
/report
/report

I have seen GMs (not guides) say this over and over -- use /report if you want to give them evidence. Get a name for them to check the equipment on, don't expect that loot is tracked (seems to me that tracking every item looted on every server in EQ would be somewhat daunting as far as memory storage goes).

I /report lots of things -- including anything nice that I personally loot, in case a server or zone crashes and I get rolled back.

Good luck with it, I hate ninjas.

Xaem · Post by **Xaem** » January 20, 2003, 7:06 pm

You guys didnt just have an officer (or anyone for that matter) loot the hat to hold on to it until it was awarded?

Ebumar · Post by **Ebumar** » January 20, 2003, 7:06 pm

They have a database system where you can look up loot by mob name. And I think they keep records for 3 months. So basically, the GM that told us it can't be done is shitting us.

Dalmoth · Post by **Dalmoth** » January 20, 2003, 7:32 pm

Been done before as late as early december. They can tell you if something was even dropped on the ground.

BTW, this is exactly the benefit of Raid.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » January 20, 2003, 8:37 pm

I heard about that. I hope it gets worked out soon. About 6 months ago, we had someone ninja right in front of us and I think it took a couple days to get it back.

Good luck.

Asheran Mojomaster · Post by **Asheran Mojomaster** » January 21, 2003, 3:19 am

You guys didnt just have an officer (or anyone for that matter) loot the hat to hold on to it until it was awarded?

Normally this would happen, but they seemed to have forgotten to do that this time...maybe cause they were excited we got our first rings ever, and not just 1 ring but 2!

Balek · Post by **Balek** » January 21, 2003, 8:18 am

From what my friend was told after a ninja incident in WW, GM's will check to see if an item was looted by 'someone', however you have to supply the 'someone'. GM's are not supposed to release the information on who looted items unless the people who killed the mob have evidence proving who looted I.E. /report. Why they wont just review the logs and give out the information about who looted what is beyond me. My friend was actually told the only way he would get his item back is if he /reported every single person in WW at the time of the incident. I personally think it's just a copout the new GM support 'team' uses so they don't have to spend more then 10 minutes telling your guild they are SOL.

Garike · Post by **Garike** » January 21, 2003, 11:17 am

indeed the /report <name> command is the only option. Your log file dont mean shit to CS Staff. They say that our log files can be altered. But in every instance that I have been in where someone ninja'd a decent item, GM's (when they were around) talked to the raid and took the said item from ninja looter and gave it or put it on winners character. Ninja looter also more times than not got suspended

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » January 21, 2003, 11:52 am

they can't track *any* item.

they can track items that have a MAGIC flag i believe. I'm pretty sure RZ Hat has that flag, so shouldnt be an issue.

Ajran · Post by **Ajran** » January 21, 2003, 3:40 pm

They can track it easily.. someone ninja'd narandi's head and the GM had it resolved and back to the rightful owner within i think 2 hours.. of course we were pretty sure who ninja'd it because he was the only person hanging around the corpse except for the person who was supposed to loot it..

-Ajran

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » January 21, 2003, 9:39 pm

I was on this raid... is there any update on this incident?

/bump

Trias · Post by **Trias** » January 22, 2003, 2:57 am

have a GM-admin "looking into it" atm...more than likely will get the thick shaft

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » January 23, 2003, 2:44 am

it was deffinately a terrorist action and whoever did it should have their country bombed

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » January 23, 2003, 2:59 am

Blame a Canadian.