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I'm working on polishing off my DVD collection. I've gotten to the point where I have 98% of all the older movies I would ever want. There are some I will get when I see them on sale, like The Godfather Trilogy. Then there are the arthouse flicks that I don't feel like dropping 20$ each on like Eraserhead and The Elephant Man, but plan on buying eventually. Basically, I've come to the point where I will be buying only new releases from here on out since I've gotten the majority of my previoulsy released movies out of the way. It's kind of a sad day when a collection gets to this point. I remember the same thing happened eventually with my comic book and CD collections :(


Here is a link to my current collection.

http://www.invelos.com/DVDCollection.aspx/silleyeskimo

Not included in the above is what I have on my Amazon order so far:

(filling out my Japanesee must-buys)
Ichi the Killer
Oldboy
Sympathy for Mr. Vengence
Lady Vengence
Battle Royale
Ghost in the Shell
A Tale of Two Sisters

(Horror movies I've wanted for a long time)
Devil's Advocate
The Blob (1988)

(2 movies that no store around here has, so fuck it, I'll order them)
True Romance
Kalifornia
Cube

Throw any suggestions you have out there. War, Foreign, Horror, Musicals, TV boxed sets, whatever! The maximum boxed set price I will spend is 150$ (so no Sopranos!)
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Based off your collection, id recommend picking up Ordinary Decent Criminals. Think you would enjoy it.
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No collection is complete with out the movie, "Hackers" but I see you have it so all is well.
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The Adventures of Baron Munchausen
Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai
Little Miss Sunshine
Menace II Society
The Fisher King
Garden State
The Visitor
Beetlejuice
Rounders
Scarface
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My wife put in my order already because she thought I was done adding items!
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At a quick glance, here a couple in my collection that I didn't find:

Noticed you have several Kubrick titles, but not A Clockwork Orange, so I'm guessing you just didn't enjoy that film.

You have Kingdom of Heaven and Troy in 2-disc special editions. I don't think there's any way I could live with myself without the director's cuts. They are vastly superior to the theatrical cuts and significantly longer (~45 and 30 minutes respectively). Not that Troy was the greatest of films to begin with, but the DC is worth owning. The DC of Kingdom of Heaven is hands down one of my favorite films.

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Not sure if you don't like him or what, but your're missing Kurosawa:

Dersu Uzala
Seven Samurai
Ikiru
Yojimbo
Rashomon
Ran
Throne of Blood
Hidden Fortress



Favorites on top, but they're all in my collection and should be watched at least once.
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Keverian - The Criterion 7 Samurai was added to the list before my wife sent it. It was easily the most expensive DVD on my list, and may very well be the most I have ever spent on any single DVD in my collection. That was more than I paid for my Close Encounter's of the Third Kind Ultimate Edition!

Drinsic - I want a Clockwork Orange, but am waiting for a sale on that. I did the same for One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and I eventually nabbed that for under 5$! American History X is one that I need to get. Super Troopers? Maybe if I saw it for under 5$. A single viewing didn't leave a very good impression on me. The DC cut versions are hard for me to double-dip for. As you mentioned, I heard both were vastly superior to the theatrical cuts, so I've always kept my eye out for both to go on sale locally. I've heard more good reviews about the Kingdom of Heaven DC than Troy. I would also be willing to upgrade to the DC versions of Dark City and Dune, but I want sale prices on those for sure.

Does Troy and KoH also include the theatrical cuts? I double dipped on my Donnie Darko and I was a little pissed that I had to keep my original since it wasn't include it with the DC.

Spang - You mentioned several movies that are on my short list. I'm waiting for Beetlejuice and the Adventures of Baron Munchausen to go on sale locally. I already own the Das Boot Original Uncut Version (clocks in at 282 minutes!). Little Miss Sunshine would be a blind buy for me. I've already passed it up a couple of times when it was on sale really cheap, so I'm sure I'll see it again. I'll pick it up based on your reccomendation.


Thanks for the suggestions so far!
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No Braveheart?

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Also, i see a few good animated/cgi flicks on there, but i don't see Titan A.E., which i believe to be one of the best animated films ever.
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Gonzoie - Luclin wrote:Also, i see a few good animated/cgi flicks on there, but i don't see Titan A.E., which i believe to be one of the best animated films ever.
I really didn't care for Titan AE. The animation is great, even now. However, it just didn't click with me. I thought it had way too many plot holes. It would be a good intorduction to sci-fi for kids though. I'll keep that one in mind. I have a friend that thinks of it the same way as you do, so it certianly left an impact on some people.

Hayao Miyazaki's animated films are on my list, as well as The Secret of Nimh. Man, I think I wore out my BETAMAX tape of The Secret of Nimh when I was a kid. I used to watch that and Tron over and over. I think I was around 6 years old then, and I fucking loved those flicks. I also had Condorman! That shit has been OOP for ages. Original DVDs sell for well over 100$ and it sure as hell doesn't look like Disney is in any hurry for a re-release!

Maybe my missing Hayao Miyazaki's flicks will be my next big Amazon order since no stores around here have any of his stuff in stock. "But we can order that for you, sir!" Jesus, I can order it myself for cheaper and have it sent to me door. That's not the point! Spirited Away, Castle in the Sky, Kiki's Delivery Service, and Howl's Moving Castle are classics IMO and if you have Disney flicks in stock, you should also have those :P

And yes, I'll be getting Braveheart :P I told my wife about that and she said something like "How the hell can we own the Transformers cartoon and not Braveheart?". I tried, but I really don't think it's possible to explain to someone that wasn't part of the phenomenon that was "Transformer's: The Movie" about it's importance. That shit is sacred ground to any boy from the 80's! Jesus Christ, Optimus Prime died.
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Simple, you just let her read this.


I can blame all of my problems, any issues I have on one single, life changing event. Transformers: The Movie.

For those of you who weren't children of the 80's, or just never caught onto the COOLEST THING EVER, I'll tell you. The Transformers was a TV show about robots from another planet, Cybertron. There were two different groups (of course, there always are..); the Autobots, or the good guys, and the Decepticons, the bad guys. They're fighting this big war and shit, but then they take a little trip and end up crash landing on Earth. They all get knocked the fuck out, and sleep for millions of years (they landed during the time of the dinosaurs) until waking up in the 80s, where they resume battling.

The beauty of the Transformers was that they were actually TWO different things. They had their normal robot mode, which appealed to us anyway because kids love robots. Especially big ones. I don't know how or why that it, but boys love big robots. Then later on in life, we love breasts, and we don't really question that either. It's what God intended for us. But anyway, they had robot form, but then they could "transform" (hence the "Transformers") into something else. The Autobots were mostly cars at first, with their leader, and only the greatest cartoon hero of all time Optimus Prime transforming into a big ass mack truck. Complete with the trailer which would come, sometimes, from absolutely nowhere. I swear to God, Optimus Prime would be standing in the middle of the Sahara Desert with only sand visible for miles on end, and then he'd transform into the truck cab, and the trailer would come rolling up from I don't know where. That's still one of the greatest mysteries in life.

The Decepticons got to transform into other things. Decepticon leader Megatron transformed into a gun. The original bitch Starscream (RIP Chris Latta, voice acting God among boys) transformed into an F-15 Jet. Badass Soundwave transformed into a boom box (it was the 80's after all). He could even spit cassettes out of his chest, which would transform too. It was fucking beautiful man. Of course, there were the absolutely useless Transformers too. Like Bumblebee, the autobot that transformed into a Volkswagon Bug. I shit you not, a VW Bug. I guess for when the Autobots wanted to drive to Woodstock. And Reflector, the Decepticon who transformed into a camera. And Perceptor, an Autobot who transformed into a microscope. Yes, in the middle of an intergalactic war he transforms into a microscope. Yes, a microscope. Hey Perceptor, while we're in the middle of this big intergalactic war, could you transform and magnify this rock for me? Thanks.

So that was the Transformers. We absolutely loved this show when we were kids. They were big robots! Fighting for the universe! It doesn't get much better than that. We watched the cartoon religiously, of course, and bought all the toys, of course. We had favorite Transformers; Optimus Prime was the badass hero of the universe, and his place in the pantheon of heros is well established, to join the ranks of Rocky, Luke Skywalker, and the A-Team. Yes, he was that pimp. Megatron was also entertaining as the Deception leader. Starscream was always trying to undermine him, if Megatron stubbed his foot you could count on Starscream coming up behind him screaming "Megatron has fallen! I am the leader of the Decepticons now!" Soundwave, well, he was a boom box! And his voice was cool as hell. Iron Hide from the Autobots was like this tough-as nails country hick who you just had to love. Autobot Wheeljack was always inventing something that blew up in his face. And so on.

And then we get news of the movie. All us kids probably shit our pants upon hearing we'd get to see our favorite characters on the big screen. It was a very exciting prospect. We waited and waited, and when the big day finally came, we rushed to the theater with our favorite toy in hand, ready to experience greatness. What kinds of trouble would the Deceptions cause this time? How would Optimus Prime think of a way to beat them? What kind of crazy things would Starscream do? This is what we were hoping for. Instead, what we got was a terrible piece of crap that left us eternally fucked up for life.

We were all victims of merchandising. We were hardcore Transformers fans, but it didn't matter if we watched the show religiously - we had to be buying the toys too. And at this point, we had everything, so we weren't buying new ones. Hasbro had to come up with new things to sell. Sure, they could introduce new Transformers, but they knew we were too attached to the originals to care. They had to get rid of the originals. They had to die.

Within half an hour, every Transformer we ever gave a damn about is brutally killed. No heroic deaths or sacrifices, but bam, gone. What the hell? These guys used to shoot each other all the time in the cartoon, and now suddenly its fatal? Braun and Prowl go out like punks, Ratchet puts up something of a fight, and Iron Hide gets jacked hardcore. After having already gotten SHOT, he's trying to crawl up Megatron's leg, giving his last ounce of strength to the Autobot cause, and Megatron, in the coldest moment I've ever seen on any sort of animated medium, says "Such foolish heroism" and blasts poor Iron Hide POINT BLANK. I think that scene is permanently burned onto my fragile psyche, and any and all problems I may have in life I can trace back to Iron Hide getting punked. Later, we get to see a dead Wheeljack. We don't even get to see how Wheeljack died, just there his burned out carcass is. The animators were really rubbing our noses in it there. "Hey look kids! It's Wheeljack! He's dead."

Well, anyway our HERO OF THE UNIVERSE, Optimus Prime learns that all the good Autobots are dying while the sucky new ones still miraculously live. What the hell? So he has to go handle this shit on his own. Which he does, in pretty much the only good thing about the movie. First he transforms into his truck mode, and then just fuckin runs over Decepticons like there's an Asian lady behind the wheel. Then he, somehow, transforms in mid air to robot mode, and blasts like 5 Decepticons Matrix style. Neo's got nothing on Prime.

Prime then calls Megatron out, and they have Fight of the Century. Meanwhile, Hot Rod, one of the aforementioned sucky new Autobots decides he needs to get involved, and just as Prime is about to finish Megatron off once and for all, Hot Rod jumps on Megatron's gun and starts having sexual intercourse with it. Optimus Prime is clearly distracted (who wouldn't be?), and Megatron uses the opportunity to shoot Prime in the side. Prime still manages to clock Megatron though, which is again just how damned pimp he is.

Prime is taken back to the robot hospital or whatever, where Perceptor tells him and, coincidentally, all the sucky new Autobots, that there's nothing he can do and Prime is gonna die. See! I told you Perceptor is fucking useless! Prime takes his Matrix of Leadership, the most important thing IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE, and gives it to his old friend (and coincidentally, sucky new Autobot) Ultra Magnus, who promptly fumbles it like a Dallas Cowboy. And then he dies. The Hero of the Universe, Optimus Prime, is dead. If you listen carefully, you can probably still hear children screaming, even way back in 1988.

Switch to the Decepticons...Starscream is his usual self, taking advantage of the situation to claim power. The Decepticons are running away, having just gotten their butts kicked by ONE ROBOT. The one and only Prime, of course. So they're on board their intergalactic shuttle, Astrotrain. Astrotrain claims the load is too heavy......in space?! What the fuck?! The Decepticons decide to dump all of their damaged comrades to lighten the load. So Starscream dumps Megatron out in the only other cool part of the movie...

Megatron: I...still...function....
Starscream: Wanna bet?

So Megatron, Skywarp, Thundercracker, and two stock Insecticons are floating around in outer space, and they find big ass Unicron, a robot who transformers into A PLANET and eats other planets. Brilliant. However, Unicron's one weakness is The Matrix, and he needs help in destroying it. He enlists Megatron's help, and in doing so turns Megatron into Galvatron, aka His Bitch.

Let it be known that Megatron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Galvatron. By far.

Skywarp and Thundercracker also become Cyclonus and Scourge, but who cares, they fucking suck.

Galvatron returns to Cybertron to find Starscream's coronation ceremony. He promptly blasts Starscream into space dust, and that is the exact moment at which there is no reason to care about the Transformers anymore.

Some other silly nonsense happens about Unicron eating planets or some shit, but who the fuck cares? Prime? Dead. Starscream? Dead. Megatron? Pussified. Any other TF you might have given a shit about? Dead. And who do we have left? By the end of the movie, that little bitch Hot Rod assumes control of the Matrix, making him the new Autobot leader and he becomes Rodimus Prime. But he's still the bastard who killed THE HERO OF THE UNIVERSE. And he can never escape the mammoth shadow that Optimus left behind (No really - all during the series Rodimus whines like a bitch about how he will never be half the man Prime was. Damn straight you won't be.) Oh, and there's Kup, the "old" Autobot who won't shut the fuck up. And Galvatron, who became the Great Purple Pussy Eater after Unicron raped Megatron up the ass. Bleh. The only cool Transformers to survive the killing are rarely seen again. Soundwave is relegated to cameos, and Shockwave is simply never seen past the movie, and its assumed that he died in the fight against Unicron, but of course we don't get to see that.

Oh, and one more point I'd like to make. Later, Optimus's old buddy, Ultra Magnus, literally gets blown to pieces by some Decepticons. Some other Autobots find the pieces, take him back to their robot hospital, put him back together, and he's in working order in no time.

....................................

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS BULLSHIT?!?! ULTRA MAGNUS GETS BLOWN APART AND PUT BACK TOGETHER, WHILE PRIME DIES FROM A FUCKING HOLE IN HIS SIDE?!

....Ahem.

That movie sucked and I'll hate it unti I die. I don't object so much to killing off the good Transformers...its just that they did it as quickly as possible to get to the new Transformers, who sucked a lot of ass. The good Transformers didn't even get a proper send-off.

And Prime dies from A FUCKING HOLE IN HIS SIDE?! WHAT THE HELL IS THIS BULLSHIT?!

....Ahem.

Of course, Prime comes back later, because the whole of the new TF's suck ass and they NEEDED Prime to save the franchise. "Return of Optimus Prime" shows the world just how much he owns. He kicked everyone's ass, twice. It goes something like this.

These scientists are on an outer space mission, and they find the ship that has Optimus's body on it, heading into a star. They decide to save him, and bring him back to earth. Unfortunately, they also bring back some sort of space herpes that makes everyone all angry and shit.

One of the scientists is all pissy because he got a scarface during a fight between Prime and Megatron. So he wants to use Prime's body to infect the TF's with the virus and have them go apeshit and destroy each other. But then the Decepticons ruin their shit when they break into the lab to steal some valuable metal. At the same time, the virus gets released, and the Autobots and Decepticons that were fighting all get herpes and angry and shit.

Cut to Pussimus…er, Rodimus, standing next to the STATUE of Optimus Prime, saying how he will never have half the cylindrical fortitude that Optimus had. You're damn skippy son. Pussimus learns about Prime's body, and decides to go save it, which he manages to do. Congrats, you actually did something right. But now there are plenty of Gonorreabots and STDecepticons running around, and Pussimus has no idea how to handle this shit, so he decides to call up the Quintessons to fix Optimus….

…..WHY THE FUCK COULDN'T YOU DO THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!?!

...Ahem. Also notice that all the infected Autobots immediately start gunning for Rodimus. Everyone hates that fucker.

Anyway, Rodimus manages to locate one and brings him back to fix Prime, but not before he gets the clap himself and gets all angry and shit. The Quintesson is successful…and The Man, The Myth, The Legend Himself, Optimus Prime returns. All the Autobots basically shit their pants going OMG because, c'mon, it's Optimus. You'd be shitting your pants too if you just went from Rodimus Pussy to Optimus Prime.

Optimus immediately starts owning everyone's shit as if he never died. He tells the Autobots he needs the Matrix, and NO ONE, NOT ONE AUTOBOT says anything about "But, Rodimus is the leader now!" But Prime can't just go to Rodimus because he's a gigantic diseased pussy now. He needs protection. He needs that special latex metal, but Galvatron stole it all.

So Prime has to go hunt down Galvatron…who is running like a little bitch from all the STDecepticons. Galvs shits a brick when he sees Prime, and he has no choice but to help Prime because Prime is so damned pimp like that. Even though they outnumbered them, the STDecepticons had to run away because they knew not to fuck with Prime.

Prime tells Galvs he needs the Latex Metal, Galvs wants to know why, and Prime tells him to STFU and know his role. Galvs takes them to the metal, and he is STILL whining like a bitch about what's Prime's plan, and Prime is still telling him to STFU when that stupid crack whore Optimus brought along blurts out "Oh look Optimus! Here's the latex metal you need to protect you from the herpes!" Well, Galvs throws a hissy fit, but Prime punks him out (of course) and that big Dinosaur bird thing takes his gun, and they force Galvs to load up all the metal into Prime's trailer! Ownage! But then Galvs becomes an STDecepticon and Optimus has to get away from his dirty ass.

So with the latex metal Prime becomes UBER TROJAN PRIME (ribbed, of course) and goes out to take the Matrix back. But Rodimus is still a giant pussy, imagine that. Prime asks nicely, but when that doesn't work he's forced to kick his ass, a moment that brought me great and indescribable joy.

Prime decides to enter the Matrix to find the cure for the herpes…he kicks Agent Smith's and Neo's ass, nails Trinity, chills with Morpheus for a while…ok, maybe not, but he does go find the Oracle. The Oracle tells Prime that the herpes can only be cured by wisdom, so Prime looks around at all these new fuck-ups and decides they're basically screwed. He has to empty out all the wisdom in the Matrix to cure everyone. That works, space herpes gone, and everyone can enjoy free and promiscuous sex once again.

In the end, Galvatron walks up to Prime and simply shakes his hand because Prime is so damned awesome. Even Galvs has to respect that shit. And that is how much Optimus Prime owns the Transformers Universe.

But even bringing back the HERO OF THE UNIVERSE couldn't erase the everlasting scars the movie inflicted on my soul. I can still see Iron Hide taking that point blast shot to the head, as he gave his all to save the day. What does this movie teach us? The really good and interesting people die to make time for the flat, boring ones? Nothing is more important than money? Never have sex with Megatron's gun? I don't know. But there's only one thing I do know.

Parents who love their children don't let them watch Transformers: The Movie.
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I picked up the Braveheart SE for 5$ today at Target, along with Pleasantville and Girl, Interrupted for the wife (honest!).

I also bought my wife the Rambaldi Limited Edition Alias Boxed set, which came in the mail today from Amazon. I've never seen the show, but my wife loves it. That's a pretty kick ass boxed set!
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Holy shit, we already own Girl, Interrupted. Well, that's a first...
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Battle Royale, Cube, Oldboy, Kalifornia and True Romance are all quality flicks.

Some must-owns:

Shawn of the Dead
Excalibur
Dawn of the Dead (orig or "remake" -- diff flicks)
A Clockwork Orange
Super Troopers
Gladiator
The Shining
Full Metal Jacket
Hamburger Hill
Boys From Company C (way underrated Vietnam War film)
Deadwood Series
Band of Brothers series


and more.... :P
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I hope your new Action/Adventure/Sci-Fi movies are blu-ray. Otherwise I think its a waste of money to buy an SD movie. Better to keep your eye out on sales/specials on the BD versions. Granted, you'd need to make a somewhat serious investment in your AV equipment to truly get the full benefit of the BD version. We're talking 1080p TV, AV receiver able to handle True-HD and full range speakers (not some $300 HTIB).
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I do not feel the price vs benfit from Blu Ray is worth it.

As it is, when I buy a DVD, I can play it on 2 comupters, 2 laptops, living room, basement, 2 vehicles, and also my Zen as soon as I rip it. I also rent out my movies for 1$ to co-workers (free to friends/family). Add to that, new release DVDs are almost 1/2 the price of a Blu Ray and sale DVDs hit 3-10$ all the time. I don't understand why anyone would switch over to Blu Ray if they already have an established collection. Keep in mind that Blu ray sales have yet to even reach Laser Disc numbers. They have 4% of the market, leaving 96% for DVD sales.

The quality of an upconverted DVD is exceptional, with many transfers being the equal to broadcast HD television. The Criterion Seven Samurai looks so good, most would believe it is a hi def transfer.

Last but most certianly not least, I have no desire in "keeping up with the Jones'". My living room setup would knock the socks off most anyone that sees it, and I am very grateful to own it and share it with friends and family.
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Add to that, that DVDs are almost 1/2 the price of a Blu Ray
Not even fucking close.
The special edition Blu-Ray for Iron Man, Dark Knight, Wall-E, or any top-selling new release are on average 2-3 dollars more than their DVD counterpart.

I don't understand why anyone would switch over to Blu Ray if they already have an established collection
Converting an entire DVD collection to Blu-Ray would be moronic. Val was just suggesting that you pick up new releases on Blu-Ray.

Keep in mind that Blu ray sales have yet to even reach Laser Disc numbers. They have 4% of the market, leaving 96% for DVD sales.
And it's barely been a year since Blu-Ray became the HD standard. Blu-Ray players have only recently dropped below the $200 threshold. The fact that they already enjoy a +4% market share is really quite impressive.
On new release titles like Wall-E, Iron Man and Dark Knight, Blu-Ray sales are accounting for a surprisingly large share (10-15%).

If you were to look at blu-ray sales (market share) month to month in 2008, you'd see that it is growing by leaps and bounds...

The quality of an upconverted DVD is exceptional, with many transfers being the equal to broadcast HD television.
Upconverted DVDs do look good but you'd have to be fucking blind to think they look anywhere near as good as a 1080p Blu-ray.

Last but most certianly not least, I have no desire in "keeping up with the Jones'". My living room setup would knock the socks off most anyone that sees it
You can buy a blu-ray player for less than $200.
For someone who's probably spent tens of thousands of dollars on their dvd collection, buying a blu-ray player should be a minor investment.
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I've become a blu-ray snob and will no longer buy anything but blu-ray. If you had a good 1080p TV and a blu-ray player, I bet you'd feel the same. My collection is still small, with around 20 movies, but it will keep building... I'll never buy a DVD again.

Now I'm pissed the TV shows I want aren't sold on blu-ray yet.
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Miir, you really do pick and choose what to troll to, but I'll play along.

--Having a movie I can only play on one player/location in my home is a very big deal.

--While you compare prices to movies that you want or that are popular, make sure you also compare prices to other Blu Ray media. You'll find Blu ray are considerably more expensive, with seasons of Lost or Heros being twice as much as the DVD counterpart.

--My comparison was not a side by side blue-ray comparison, but to broadcast HD television. I'm not sure what part of that description was lost in translation. I've actually played upconverted DVDs and compared them to movies that were playing on HD channels. Specifically, Lord of the Rings and Matrix.

--My opinion stands. It's not worth the money. You can try and argue all you want, but since it's my money I'm automatically right :P I think I spent a lot less on my collection than people think :) I always justify my spending based on the fact that I don't smoke or drink :P

--Blu ray will never become a standard like the DVD format. That seems to be a bitter pill for the Blu Ray crowd to swallow, but it is what it is. The comparison to laser disc is a valid one. If I am wrong and it does take over someday, I will start converting the collection when I can get Blu Rays for under 10$.
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Blu ray will never become a standard like the DVD format. That seems to be a bitter pill for the Blu Ray crowd to swallow, but it is what it is. The comparison to laser disc is a valid one. If I am wrong and it does take over someday, I will start converting the collection when I can get Blu Rays for under 10$.
Blu-Ray will eventually replace DVD as the dominant digital media format... that seems to be a bitter pill to swallow for the DVD crowd, but it is what it is.

I don't have any emotional or monetary investment in either format. I have a meager collection of DVDs and a dozen Blu-Ray movies. Unlike you who has a sizeable amount of money invested in what will soon become an obsolete format. I can totally understand your hope that Blu-Ray will fail like Laserdisc.

Speaking of Laserdisc, the comparison is hardly valid.
Blu-Ray has none of the ridiculous negatives of Laserdisc (large size, heavy weight, noisy players, 30/60 minute capacity, media degradation over time). The only negatives currently on Blu-Ray is the higher price (compared to DVD) and smaller back catalogue... Market trends indicate that the price disadvantage should all but disappear next year and beck catalogue titles are being released constantly.

By the way, there are many Blu-Ray titles you can get for $9.99 :D
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Interesting that you guys are having this conversation when I just was reading this article.

VHS era is winding down.
The majority of his firm's business today is with big box retailers including Target, Wal-Mart, K-Mart and Sears, where the company sets up displays of its discounted DVDs, such as "Superman Returns" and "Proof of Life," which are often priced at $10 or less. Plenty of customers see that price as an invitation to build up their DVD collections.

But Kugler, with a sly smile, offered a warning to consumers thinking of putting up shelving to handle their burgeoning libraries.

"The DVD will be obsolete in three or four years, no doubt about it. Everything will be Blu-ray," Kugler said, anticipating the next resident at his pop culture retirement home. "The days of the DVD are numbered. And that is good news for me."
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Fairweather Pure wrote: --Having a movie I can only play on one player/location in my home is a very big deal.

So, for the thousands of dollars you're investing in Movies, it comes down to not having a Blu-Ray player in every location? You can get a Blu-Ray Player for 150.00 now and that will be under 100 next year. You'll be sitting with a shit ton of DVDs next year with Blu-Ray players being 100.00 because you only wanted 59.99 DVD players around your house.

I bet those cassette players were pretty cheap in the mid 80's when CD players first came out. Funny thing, CD Players can't play Cassettes but Blu-Ray players can play those precious DVDs. Think of your children being forced to watch 480P at best.
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You'll find Blu ray are considerably more expensive, with seasons of Lost or Heros being twice as much as the DVD counterpart.
At Bestbuy, season 4 of lost is $49.99 on DVD.... $52.99 on Blu-Ray.
Heroes season 2 is like $11 more on Blu-Ray.
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Having a movie I can only play on one player/location in my home is a very big deal.
I never said to convert all your movies to blu-ray. I simply wanted to bring up the fact that buying key movies that benefit greatly from having them on blu-ray will save you money on the long run. Why buy an SD version of a movie today for 10-15 bucks, only to get it in a year or so on blu-ray for 15. That's $30 bucks you just spent. Don't forget, there's always Netflix :) And BTW, I'm in the same boat as you. I have to deal with needing SD versions for my kids (their room, portable DVD player, etc...) That's where "alternative" means comes in. I really wish that buying a blu-ray version would include the SD version as well, or that turning in an SD version would give you some sort of credit towards the blu-ray version.
The quality of an upconverted DVD is exceptional, with many transfers being the equal to broadcast HD television. The Criterion Seven Samurai looks so good, most would believe it is a hi def transfer.

Last but most certianly not least, I have no desire in "keeping up with the Jones'". My living room setup would knock the socks off most anyone that sees it, and I am very grateful to own it and share it with friends and family.
Exceptional yes, as to how close to broadcast HD television it is it all depends. No DVD, Criterion or not will ever look as good as a true HD version on a large screen. And it's not about "keeping up with the Jones." It's about doing the best for YOUR enjoyment. The money I have spend on my home theater is for me and my family. I rarely invite anyone over just to watch TV. I actually did that the other night for the first time just because they had Batman on blu-ray and I wanted to see it before I bought it. Incidentally I picked it up for $21 on blu-ray, like $4-5 more than the SD version.
You'll find Blu ray are considerably more expensive, with seasons of Lost or Heros being twice as much as the DVD counterpart.
Buying a television season on blu-ray at twice the price of DVD is just stupid and I have nothing else to add since I never said to buy those on blu-ray.
--My comparison was not a side by side blue-ray comparison, but to broadcast HD television. I'm not sure what part of that description was lost in translation. I've actually played upconverted DVDs and compared them to movies that were playing on HD channels. Specifically, Lord of the Rings and Matrix.
This is a discussion on buying movies for your collection. What does a comparison between blu-ray and broadcast HD have to do with it? If anything lets stick with comparing a DVD movie to a blu-ray version. First, not all blu-ray movies are equal. Seriously. The same shit happened back with DVD. Some movies were great, some were horrible. Look at Hunt for Red October. The transfer was horrendous. Look at Full Metal Jacket, I believe the audio is in mono.

I'm sorry if I actually thought you took your movies seriously since you have a "collection" and actually keep a list of movies in your collection. Most people that I know that do this are very serious and try to get their moneys worth and have the best they can have. You obviously fall under the other category, the Walmart $5 Bin crowd. Sorry I couldn't resist, I'm just messing with you :)

Anyways, getting back to a more serious discussion, believe me its a big difference between DVD and Blu-Ray. Yes, Blu-Ray players were disgustingly expensive as well are the movies currently ($30 I tell them to fuck off). If you want to say no to blu-ray because of the $30 price tag on movies, fine, I say the same thing. But don't even TRY to convince yourself that there isn't much difference. I don't care if you have a upscaling DVD player with a Reon-HQV processor in it (I do) and it isn't even close. Granted, if you have a TV smaller than 37", yeah you are correct, it gets hard to tell sometimes.
Blu ray will never become a standard like the DVD format. That seems to be a bitter pill for the Blu Ray crowd to swallow, but it is what it is. The comparison to laser disc is a valid one.
You can't compare blu-ray to laser disc. Back then, we didn't have other sources for HD quality movies. Now we have HD on the Net, Cable, and Satelite. So wanting to have a movie in the same or better quality to what's on satelite makes a big difference. Plus there are a lot more people today with equipment that can take advantage of what blu-ray offers than back then with laser disc came out. Plus, BD aren't these huge giant discs that you have to flip over.
If I am wrong and it does take over someday, I will start converting the collection when I can get Blu Rays for under 10$.
So spend 10 today for SD and then 10 again later for blu-ray? Why not just spend the 20-22 today and get the blu-ray?

And last but not least, blu-ray isn't just about the picture quality. The audio improvement is huge. But again, it's one of those things that you have to have the equipment for it.
My living room setup would knock the socks off most anyone that sees it, and I am very grateful to own it and share it with friends and family.
If you are trying to hint that you have a nice setup, then sorry to tell you, but you can have best home theater in the world, and if the video/audio you feed it looks and sounds like shit, all the equipment will do is make the shit smell like flowers, it will still look and taste like shit :) Don't do it a disservice by feeding it that SD audio/video. Samsung BDP1500 (one of the better players out there for the money) is $200 :) Get yourself Batman on BD, leave SD DVD for the romantic comedies!
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It would be fairly pointless to buy some of the older movies in a Blu Ray format.

Some missing movies from any collection:

Airplane 1 and 2!
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Why is there an argument about Blu Ray?

It blows the fuck out of DVD. Upconvert? Wow. Sure it is better than standard DVD, but there is no comparison. None.

Kilmoll - Not necessarily. It depends on the quality of the master. Also, many movies get remastered and really work well in the new format. Just check the description before you buy! Amazon.com works pretty well for this.
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It turned into an argument about Blu Ray, it started as suggestions for movies.

I've loved movies since I was watching them in a 19 inch black and white when I was a child. All the technology in the world cannot make a bad movie good, and even under sub optimal conditions a great movie remains just that. The fact that people actually belive that if it's not on Blu Ray that a person is somehow missing out or cheapening the experiance is a big difference between a lover of film and a lover of technology. The 2 are not mutually exclusive and you can have 1 without the other. I watched Dark Knight again last night in Blu Ray, and it didn't change my life or alter my experiance from when I saw the DVD.

I recieved a PS3 for Xmas, but will not be converting my collection.
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It would be fairly pointless to buy some of the older movies in a Blu Ray format.
Not true. But you really have to be careful with what you buy. The studios have a tendency to really screw people over (who's surprised) and slap an upscaled version of the same DVD movie on blu-ray. On older movies I always get it on Netflix first and also check out the reviews. I haven't run into any issues on newer movies. T1/T2 doesn't look incredible on blu-ray compared to say Dark Knight, but I'm betting they just got it out on BD to have it on BD hence the $10 price tag. I can almost bet on them putting out some really high quality versions when the next Terminator film comes out. As for older films, their resolution is around 4Kx3K which is much higher than HD. Just look "How the West Was Won". It was shot in 1962 and the blu-ray version looks fantastic.
The fact that people actually belive that if it's not on Blu Ray that a person is somehow missing out or cheapening the experiance
It's not about believing, its a fact. You're starting to sound like those people what would only buy full screen movies and say they were the same and they hate the black bars. It's a fact that you are missing out on something and cheapening the experience when you watch a movie in full screen. There are elements of the film that you don't see. They just aren't there. That's a fact, not what someone believes. The quality of the picture of an SD movie, even upscaled, just gets horrible as you increase the screen size. Yeah, on a 32-37" it probably looks all the same to the majority of people. Put that on a 60", 70", 100" screen and the SD version starts to look like crap. I prefer to watch something as close as possible to what the director intended. Just like I try to have a large screen, great audio and now HD. A lot of movies I still see in the theater because that still beats out watching at home "sometimes" :)
I recieved a PS3 for Xmas, but will not be converting my collection.
Again, don't think anyone is saying to convert your existing collection, I know I'm not. Only new movies and those that would actually benefit from having them on BD. You won't catch me going back to get 50 First Dates on BD when I already have it on DVD, but the Terminator series I would. I rather wait on the BD price to go down than get an SD version today on new movies. Luckily I still have lots of good action movies that I never bought on DVD, like T2.
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We're looking at a 42 inch plasama for the bedroom, that will be the 2nd HD set in the house. I think owning a physical copy of a movie is going to become obsolete before Blu Rays ever take over. I would do video on demand for whatever I want to watch that is new and big in HD, and skip buying Blu Ray altogether.
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We're looking at a 42 inch plasama for the bedroom, that will be the 2nd HD set in the house. I think owning a physical copy of a movie is going to become obsolete before Blu Rays ever take over. I would do video on demand for whatever I want to watch that is new and big in HD, and skip buying Blu Ray altogether.
Great time to buy those. Prices have come down a lot on them. I think I'll be dead before the US has decent broadband for full 1080p + TrueHD audio :)
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Fairweather Pure wrote:We're looking at a 42 inch plasama for the bedroom...
(this thread is thoroughly hijacked, including the OP...so I'm not going to feel bad about hijacking further)

I've discussed this with several of my friends (mostly who disagreed with me largely), but I think that putting a TV in the bedroom is generally a bad idea.

1. If you have any kind of sleeping issues (or god forbid people on different sleep schedules) it can make things worse. You find yourself finishing a movie you started and shorting yourself on sleep. Or a case where a TV just flat out interferes with your sleep cycle...Quite a few folks have trouble actually getting to sleep, and the distractions of a TV can exascerbate this problem. (I used exascerbate in a sentence!)

Second. This is mainly geared at couples. A bedroom is the one room where you can, and should be intimate (not just physically). It's the place where the couple can talk about things (good and bad) without the distractions and interruptions of the rest of the house, whether they be children, pets, various daily activites of cooking/cleaning, or a TV! A TV in the bedroom is going to encourage LESS communication as the couple sits in silence and watches a movie/tv show together. Not to mention, if the couple falls asleep every evening watching TV, they're less likely to have spontaneous late night sex that comes from finally being alone with each other and enjoying each others' company.

Now, i'm not going to be a jackass and say that all people who put TV's in their bedrooms are going to have these problems. That's of course not true...but it happens, and more often than you (or they) would think. And not to take away from the lovely time that a couple can enjoy curled up watching a movie together, but you can do that on the couch. A bedroom should be a solace. A place where you can relax in peace without distraction.

These are just my crazy views/opinions...and of course, this board being populated by very tech savvy people...I'd guess that the majority of posters here have TV's in their bedrooms. So you can just call me a jackass and dismiss this offhand. But at the very least, I hope it makes you think about it.
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First, JACKASS! :)

The TV in our bedroom rarely gets used, well at least for simply watching TV and that's all I'll say about it. :badgrin: Oh, and for when one of us gets sick we can just stay in bed and watch some TV if we want to.

Only reason I'm even thinking about getting our current TV replaced is because it's a CRT...the last one in the house too.
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valryte wrote:
We're looking at a 42 inch plasama for the bedroom, that will be the 2nd HD set in the house. I think owning a physical copy of a movie is going to become obsolete before Blu Rays ever take over. I would do video on demand for whatever I want to watch that is new and big in HD, and skip buying Blu Ray altogether.
Great time to buy those. Prices have come down a lot on them. I think I'll be dead before the US has decent broadband for full 1080p + TrueHD audio :)
The amount of bandwidth it would take would be absurd. There are a growing number of bandwidth issues due to exactly this (lol fairweather hitting the absurd cap, then choosing the method for HD that will just make his cap smaller), and that's with 1080i/5.1. The entire US will need to redo the broadband infrastructure, including brand new fiber optics being laid right now, to even get close to giving blu-ray quality video and audio on demand. I would not be surprised if 1080p takes longer to adopt by most cable networks than HD did.
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valryte wrote:Only reason I'm even thinking about getting our current TV replaced is because it's a CRT...
Don't HD CRT TV's still have the best picture quality available?

(disclaimer, I'm poor as fuck, and don't even own an HD TV. However the last time I learned anything about them, this was the case.
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Blu-Ray.. More like Poo-Ray lolz!
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Aslanna wrote:Blu-Ray.. More like Poo-Ray lolz!
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Hijack or not, Truant my friend; you just brought the topic full circle. I have also used that word a time or two since the first time I saw the slice of fried gold known as Shaun of the Dead. ;)


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I don't buy either but would never buy another DVD movie again. I'm fairly confident I owned a CD player before most of you. More confident I owned a DVD player before almost all of you, and just about positive I owned my first HDTV (2001) before any of you. Tech keeps rolling along. I don't regret upgrading to any of those formats early on. Advice: Dump your fucking Wii console. It's shit! DVD quality sucks ass compared to Blu Ray. Either quit buying DVDs, rent movies off Netflix, or Buy Blu-Ray versions.

There's no comparison between DVD and Blu-Ray for quality. Buying DVDs is for people that call the Wii a gaming machine instead of a marketing gimmick. If you can't see how bad Wii graphics are, keep snapping up those DVDs and don't bother wasting money on trips to the eye doctor. Contacts would be wasted on you.

I don't get the crappy movie argument. A crappy movie is even crappier on DVD...add an extra scoop of crap if it's VHS. How god damned retarded is the DVD justification argument (besides the cost argument which valryte rebuffed as well?) Shit or not, I'd rather see something in HD, even commercials I hate on TV.

You can download a fairly good 1080p copy of a movie that's about 10 GB in size, 7-8 GB for 720P. That's still too large but has a better chance of being manageable in the near future than uncompressed 25GB Blu-Ray images for net downloads.
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also... plasma tv's suck.
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Winnow wrote:I don't buy either but would never buy another DVD movie again. I'm fairly confident I owned a CD player before most of you. More confident I owned a DVD player before almost all of you, and just about positive I owned my first HDTV (2001) before any of you. Tech keeps rolling along. I don't regret upgrading to any of those formats early on. Advice: Dump your fucking Wii console. It's shit! DVD quality sucks ass compared to Blu Ray. Either quit buying DVDs, rent movies off Netflix, or Buy Blu-Ray versions.

There's no comparison between DVD and Blu-Ray for quality. Buying DVDs is for people that call the Wii a gaming machine instead of a marketing gimmick. If you can't see how bad Wii graphics are, keep snapping up those DVDs and don't bother wasting money on trips to the eye doctor. Contacts would be wasted on you.

I don't get the crappy movie argument. A crappy movie is even crappier on DVD...add an extra scoop of crap if it's VHS. How god damned retarded is the DVD justification argument (besides the cost argument which valryte rebuffed as well?) Shit or not, I'd rather see something in HD, even commercials I hate on TV.

You can download a fairly good 1080p copy of a movie that's about 10 GB in size, 7-8 GB for 720P. That's still too large but has a better chance of being manageable in the near future than uncompressed 25GB Blu-Ray images for net downloads.
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What the fuck are you on about, Winnow, other than flexing your tech-peen? And what the hell does any of this have to do with the Wii?
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I am fairly sure I hated Crash more than almost all of you.
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Canelek wrote:I am fairly sure I hated Crash more than almost all of you.
I highly doubt that!

Oh, you did say almost all.
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Boogahz wrote:
Canelek wrote:I am fairly sure I hated Crash more than almost all of you.
I highly doubt that!

Oh, you did say almost all.

Yeah, I like to hedge my bets when making over the top proclamations. :)
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I watched The Dark Knight on VHS with a 13" black and white television.
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That last post had a sirton-esque feel to it!
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I watched The Dark Knight on VHS with a 13" black and white television.
I saw it on a Fisher Price View Master!
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Re: DVD Suggestions?

Post by Winnow »

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If I'm watching DVDs or ever bought a Wii, I'd hook it up to this.
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