Obama WILL be the next president

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 28, 2008, 3:51 pm

Obama has yet another "most important" speech to give tonight. He has slam dunked all of his speeches in the past, and I have no reason to believe this one will be any different. I was a little nervous for him at the beginning of his campaign, but he put those fears to rest long ago.

I think he has faced more challanges during his campaign than any candidate in history, and has come through unscathed and even stronger than ever. He has walked a tight rope his entire campaign and I'm very impressed at how has handled his many challanges, from racial relations, religion, and Hillary.

Obama embodies the very essence of Presidential. Good luck to him tonight.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » August 28, 2008, 3:59 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:I think he has faced more challanges during his campaign than any candidate in history, and has come through unscathed and even stronger than ever. He has walked a tight rope his entire campaign and I'm very impressed at how has handled his many challanges, from racial relations, religion, and Hillary.

Obama embodies the very essence of Presidential. Good luck to him tonight.

I have to disagree with you here. He is a fantastic script reader, which comes from practice and instruction. He is able to evoke an emotional response from a large number of people, just with words and mannerisms...

I don't think he faced more challenges (or challanges) than anyone else, but I agree that he handled the race issue and the hillary situation very well... religion, not so much. He also has a vaporware platform that consists of two vague words that will allow him to change positions like the weather.

He is no more presidential than John McCain, in fact he is less so, due to his burning and urgent desire to be president. He who wants it so badly, should not be allowed to have it.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » August 28, 2008, 4:03 pm

Sorry what? He wants to be President so shouldn't be allowed to be President? What type of retarded thinking is that?

'Very retarded' is the answer.

As for the "well durr hes a good script reader" - it's obvious you have zero realisation what a speech actually entails, or are just splitting hairs for no other reason than to try and make McCain look like less of a doddering old idiot.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 28, 2008, 4:15 pm

I have to be off to work soon, so I can only respond to Obama's handling of religion.

If you listen to what he says, instead of what others say he has said or what people try and interpret him as saying, he has done a fantastic job. This is true of all of his hot button Limbaugh/Hannity topics of the momment. He is respectful and polite. His stance on religion is very much grounded in reality.

If he wins, I believe he will be a great President. If he loses, I will continue to keep my eye on his career, unlike Kerry.

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » August 28, 2008, 4:16 pm

He is no more presidential than John McCain, in fact he is less so, due to his burning and urgent desire to be president. He who wants it so badly, should not be allowed to have it.

Yeah ... sure. Not anymore then John McCain or Hillary Clinton. Sheesh. At least he hasn't completely changed his stance on a number of issues just to appease the party's base. (I'm talking about John McCain here if you missed it) That to me shows his willingness to compromise morals in order to get power, and is much more damning than being able to speak well, you cunt.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » August 28, 2008, 4:24 pm

Gzette wrote:
He is no more presidential than John McCain, in fact he is less so, due to his burning and urgent desire to be president. He who wants it so badly, should not be allowed to have it.

Yeah ... sure. Not anymore then John McCain or Hillary Clinton. Sheesh. At least he hasn't completely changed his stance on a number of issues just to appease the party's base. (I'm talking about John McCain here if you missed it) That to me shows his willingness to compromise morals in order to get power, and is much more damning than being able to speak well, you cunt.

Quit painting Obama to be some fucking saint, it was amusing at first but now it's obnoxious. If you really believe he isn't just as guilty of every single fault as the other candidates (or any politician for that matter), you are dangerously naive.

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » August 28, 2008, 5:05 pm

You have proof? I'm sure he is guilty to some extent, but no where near John McCain. The fact that staunch republicans even consider taking him seriously is laughable to me.

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » August 28, 2008, 5:06 pm

And you know what, I do think he is genuine. You can make fun of me all day and insult me, I don't give a fuck.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » August 28, 2008, 5:18 pm

Gzette wrote:You have proof? I'm sure he is guilty to some extent, but no where near John McCain. The fact that staunch republicans even consider taking him seriously is laughable to me.

He's a politician. That's all the proof I need.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » August 28, 2008, 5:22 pm

Fash wrote:He is no more presidential than John McCain, in fact he is less so, due to his burning and urgent desire to be president. He who wants it so badly, should not be allowed to have it.

Dumbest comment I ever heard. That's like saying someone wants kids so bad, they shouldn't be allowed to have some.

Illogical statements are so cool.

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » August 28, 2008, 5:22 pm

How cynical

Spang · Post by **Spang** » August 28, 2008, 6:08 pm

I will not vote for someone who wants to be president. I will only vote for someone who does not want to be president. We need more people who don't want to be leaders to fill those positions of power in our country. It will make our country stronger.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » August 28, 2008, 6:36 pm

Lynks wrote:
Fash wrote:He is no more presidential than John McCain, in fact he is less so, due to his burning and urgent desire to be president. He who wants it so badly, should not be allowed to have it.
Dumbest comment I ever heard. That's like saying someone wants kids so bad, they shouldn't be allowed to have some.

Illogical statements are so cool.

It's paraphrased from an old saying, obviously not about politics but great power... but surely the concept is not lost upon you all. While the motives of all of them should be questioned, I believe a candidate deserves increasing scrutiny in relationship to their desire to win. I should have presumed you all would take it so literally. Obama is in a hurry for some reason, and I don't think he has proven himself genuine just yet. I really don't. He has changed positions and made incongruous statements, talks a big game, and avoids details. His ego I love but his resume I do not.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » August 28, 2008, 6:39 pm

Is it an old saying?
I remember the quote from The Hitchiker series by Douglas Adams. I used to have it as my signature.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » August 28, 2008, 6:57 pm

Fash wrote:He is no more presidential than John McCain, in fact he is less so, due to his burning and urgent desire to be president. He who wants it so badly, should not be allowed to have it.

"I didn't decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to be president. . . . In truth, I'd had the ambition for a long time." (Worth Fighting For, by John McCain).

McCain has released this as an audio book, so I'd expect it will be used in an October ad. Pretty funny considering his meme last week was about Obama's "ambition".

Siji · Post by **Siji** » August 28, 2008, 10:45 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:He's a politician. That's all the proof I need.

I thought Midnyte left VV?

On one hand people complain because he's not a long-time 'same as everyone else' politician and on the other hand you bitch because he is in fact a politician.

Next time the guy at your local meat market is running for president, make sure to vote for him.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » August 29, 2008, 6:02 am

He gave a great speech tonight. I love inspirational speekers.

2 Things though?

Whats his resume?

And can I trust my small businesses to do well with him?

Im a person who has one business destroy'd directly by the government, and another it has put pressure on ....The government is my enemy I want the least of it interfering, besides national security.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » August 29, 2008, 5:11 pm

I'm curious how Obama would destroy your business. Honestly, I'm curious.

What's McCain's resume? Being a POW? Being a Bush ball polisher? And that qualifies him for being president how?

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » August 29, 2008, 5:55 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:
Gzette wrote:You have proof? I'm sure he is guilty to some extent, but no where near John McCain. The fact that staunch republicans even consider taking him seriously is laughable to me.
He's a politician. That's all the proof I need.

but he is less guilty because he hasn't been a politician as long as mccain so there.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » August 30, 2008, 12:58 am

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080829/ap_ ... s_audience

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » September 2, 2008, 8:04 pm

Sirton wrote:He gave a great speech tonight. I love inspirational speekers.

2 Things though?

Whats his resume?

And can I trust my small businesses to do well with him?

Im a person who has one business destroy'd directly by the government, and another it has put pressure on ....The government is my enemy I want the least of it interfering, besides national security.

Considering we've seen more governmental interference in the last 8 years than ever...

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » September 2, 2008, 8:05 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:
Quit painting Obama to be some fucking saint,

Wait, he's not?

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » September 4, 2008, 4:19 am

miir · Post by **miir** » September 4, 2008, 8:14 am

Aw crap, I'm gonna have to watch zoolander again tonight.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » September 9, 2008, 11:29 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7606100.stm

The rest of the world can see it. Why can't millions of Americans?

And no its not because we "want to take advantage of you" as the paranoid fear mongers may say. It's for such obvious reasons that they don't need to be repeated for the billionth time.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 10, 2008, 1:23 am

You forgot about Turkey!

Oddly, in Turkey more people thought US relations would worsen with an Obama presidency than under Mr McCain,

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » September 10, 2008, 10:36 am

They aren't part of the "rest of the world."

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » September 10, 2008, 11:01 am

Winnow wrote:You forgot about Turkey!

Oddly, in Turkey more people thought US relations would worsen with an Obama presidency than under Mr McCain,

Isn't this because they asked all the democratic candidates if they supported the Bill which claimed Turkey committed genocide against the Armenians, and all of them said yes?

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » September 11, 2008, 12:32 am

The Bloom is OFF!!!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... index.html

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13357.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... =worldwide

OINK OINK!!
Hillary would of been a sure win!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 11, 2008, 3:10 am

That "politico" article reflects what I'm seeing:

Polls showing John McCain tied or even ahead of Barack Obama are stirring angst and second-guessing among some of the Democratic Party’s most experienced operatives, who worry that Obama squandered opportunities over the summer and may still be underestimating his challenges this fall.

“It’s more than an increased anxiety,” said Doug Schoen, who worked as one of Bill Clinton’s lead pollsters during his 1996 reelection and has worked for both Democrats and independents in recent years. “It’s a palpable frustration. Deep-seated unease in the sense that the message has gotten away from them.”

Joe Trippi, a consultant behind Howard Dean’s flash-in-the-pan presidential campaign in 2004 and John Edwards’ race in 2008, said the Obama campaign was slow to recognize how the selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as McCain’s running mate would change the dynamic of the race.

“They were set up to run ‘experience versus change,’ what they had run [against Hillary] Clinton,” Trippi said. “And I think Palin clearly moved that to be change [and] reform, versus change. They are adjusting to that and that threw them off balance a little bit.”

A major Democratic fundraiser described it a good bit more starkly after digesting the polls of recent days: “I’m so depressed. It’s happening again. It’s a nightmare.”

Adding to Democratic restlessness, McCain has largely neutralized some issue advantages that have long favored Democrats.

This week’s USA Today/Gallup poll reported a split on which candidate “can better handle the economy”; 48 percent chose Obama while 45 percent said McCain. In late August, Obama had a 16-point edge on the issue.

Obama's lost his grip. He's resorting to trashing Palin which is completely ineffective while at the same time, he's lost the edge on his main them of "change" and the economy. Doh!

That, along with the Hillary backers probably being told that McCain for 4 years will give Hillary the best chance in 2012 will probably do Obama in.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » September 11, 2008, 3:17 am

Winnow wrote:That "politico" article reflects what I'm seeing:

Polls showing John McCain tied or even ahead of Barack Obama are stirring angst and second-guessing among some of the Democratic Party’s most experienced operatives, who worry that Obama squandered opportunities over the summer and may still be underestimating his challenges this fall.

“It’s more than an increased anxiety,” said Doug Schoen, who worked as one of Bill Clinton’s lead pollsters during his 1996 reelection and has worked for both Democrats and independents in recent years. “It’s a palpable frustration. Deep-seated unease in the sense that the message has gotten away from them.”

Joe Trippi, a consultant behind Howard Dean’s flash-in-the-pan presidential campaign in 2004 and John Edwards’ race in 2008, said the Obama campaign was slow to recognize how the selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as McCain’s running mate would change the dynamic of the race.

“They were set up to run ‘experience versus change,’ what they had run [against Hillary] Clinton,” Trippi said. “And I think Palin clearly moved that to be change [and] reform, versus change. They are adjusting to that and that threw them off balance a little bit.”

A major Democratic fundraiser described it a good bit more starkly after digesting the polls of recent days: “I’m so depressed. It’s happening again. It’s a nightmare.”

Adding to Democratic restlessness, McCain has largely neutralized some issue advantages that have long favored Democrats.

This week’s USA Today/Gallup poll reported a split on which candidate “can better handle the economy”; 48 percent chose Obama while 45 percent said McCain. In late August, Obama had a 16-point edge on the issue.
Obama's lost his grip. He's resorting to trashing Palin which is completely ineffective while at the same time, he's lost the edge on his main them of "change" and the economy. Doh!

That, along with the Hillary backers probably being told that McCain for 4 years will give Hillary the best chance in 2012 will probably do Obama in.

Concern trolls.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/0 ... 25158.html

The real story that the media and the right wing doesn't want you to know, is that this race is NOT nearly as close as they are making it appear. And you are being fooled by...

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » September 11, 2008, 3:22 am

ohhhhh come on the huffingtonpost!!!!!!

Hey I agree with Biden on this!!!
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar ... ary-a.html

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 11, 2008, 3:49 am

Who reads the Huffington Post except democrats? and even they should know that's a trash site. It gets ripped constantly over on Digg.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » September 11, 2008, 4:18 am

Winnow wrote:Who reads the Huffington Post except democrats? and even they should know that's a trash site. It gets ripped constantly over on Digg.

It's not true if a democrat says it!

dude, just put your hands on your ears and scream LALALALALALALALLALALALLALALALA.

It will all go away soon. You have the power to make it go away Winnow. Use your hands!

Tristinn · Post by **Tristinn** » September 11, 2008, 1:03 pm

Who reads the Huffington Post except democrats? and even they should know that's a trash site. It gets ripped constantly over on Digg.

What do you expect from a bunch of lonely women-hating libertarian psycho nerds?

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 11, 2008, 1:07 pm

Jason Bourne regarding Sarah Palin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anxkrm9uEJk

Do you agree?

Post by **Sylvus** » September 18, 2008, 4:32 pm

Organizer.jpg

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » September 18, 2008, 5:00 pm

OMG Barack Obama is MLK Jr??? Shit, I'm going to vote for him RIGHT NOW.

Seriously though, I think the whole "a mayor is like a community organizer, except with actual responsibilities" quote was in response to the whole "mayor of a small town is not real experience" whines from the left. It was actually the kind of smart, witty comeback I usually credit Obama with, so it was kind of a zinger to see it fly the other direction.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » September 18, 2008, 6:29 pm

Ashur wrote:Seriously though, I think the whole "a mayor is like a community organizer, except with actual responsibilities" quote was in response to the whole "mayor of a small town is not real experience" whines from the left. It was actually the kind of smart, witty comeback I usually credit Obama with, so it was kind of a zinger to see it fly the other direction.

I agree. The problem is the GOP started using it as a talking point and it was then percieved, rightly or wrongly, as a code word. Palin's line was good, Mayor 911's sneering was deplorable.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » September 18, 2008, 6:47 pm

Forthe wrote:I think McCain was a fool this week. Obama could not attack McCain prior to this, he would have been labeled the angry black man attacking the old honorable POW. Now the CW in the media is McCain attacked Obama childishly and dishonestly. When Obama chooses to go negative he will be doing so *begrudgingly* in self defense.

Same thing as Clinton. Clinton threw the "kitchen sink". Obama took a few smacks until the media narative was set and then he went negative. After he locked down the delegate math he went back to the good guy acting contrite about his momentary negative lapse.

Forthe wrote:McCain's new ad is way out there, claiming Obama would raise taxes on >$42,000 income. He is going to be labelled a liar (with a Romney calling him dishonest ad reinforcing it) if he doesn't smarten up.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00950.html

McCain's camp is now whining about the injustice of it all while Obama is putting out some nasty ads with little pushback.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » September 18, 2008, 7:26 pm

Forthe wrote:
Ashur wrote:Seriously though, I think the whole "a mayor is like a community organizer, except with actual responsibilities" quote was in response to the whole "mayor of a small town is not real experience" whines from the left. It was actually the kind of smart, witty comeback I usually credit Obama with, so it was kind of a zinger to see it fly the other direction.
I agree. The problem is the GOP started using it as a talking point and it was then percieved, rightly or wrongly, as a code word. Palin's line was good, Mayor 911's sneering was deplorable.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that Giuliani and Palin both mocking the role of community organizer was a coincidence. It was a calculated and coordinated attack on Obama's work, IMO. This bullshit claimed by the McCain camp that she was only reacting to attacks on her own lack of experience was an afterthought. Obama never really belittled the experience of being a mayor or a governor. John McCain did, however, until he decided that a former mayor of a tiny village and current governor of a sparsely populated state would help his shrinking chances. The notion that she should get some kind of credit for being witty for her catty delivery of a line inserted into an acceptance speech written by a Bush speechwriter for another candidate and hastily retooled for Palin at the 11th hour is chuckle-worthy.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » September 21, 2008, 10:36 pm

Obama Quits

In the wake of an epic financial meltdown that threatens to derail the U.S. economy for years, Barack Obama announced he was ending his run for President of the United States, declaring to a stunned nation, “Man, this is (expletive).”

In a boisterous and hastily-called press conference, Obama detailed his reasons for the decision. “I was prepared to fight global warming, reform the health care system, repair our crumbling roads, create a 21st century electric grid, find Bin Laden, end the war in Iraq, and bring peace to Israel and the Palestinians. But now you tell me I have to clean up the worst financial mess since the Great Depression too? One that’s going to plunge our economy into a recession for most of my administration while I take the blame? (expletive) that. That’s (expletive) ridiculous. You guys clean up your own (expletive). I’m outta here.”

He elaborated: “From the time I was a little boy, I dreamt of being President one day. Of having the power and resources to enact a bold vision for the country, to set this great land on a path to a better future. Now we’re (expletive) broke. What the hell can I do when we’re $9 trillion in debt and got 1 billion Chinese hankering to cash their IOUs? I can’t even buy a three-fingered handjob now.”

Obama also revealed that he previously thought about quitting when Sen. McCain picked Gov. Palin as a running mate (”What is this, a reality TV show?”), when the media covered the faux lipstick-on-a-pig scandal for two days straight (”Why would I call her a pig? She’s a (expletive) MILF, for Christ’s sake”), and when he realized he was still neck and neck with McCain in the polls in spite of being his opponent’s superior in every possible metric and running as the exact opposite of one of the worst administrations in U.S. history.

Obama took no questions from reporters. After reading his statement, he threw his suit jacket on the ground, made an obscene gesture to the press corp, and dashed out a back exit, where he hopped on a motorcycle and yelled “See ya, bitches, I’m off to do my wife” as he rode away.

The new de facto leader of the Presidential race, Sen. John McCain, was unaware of the development until told about it by a reporter. When asked how he felt about Obama quitting, McCain replied: “Senator Obama would like to fool the American people that he is the quitter in this race. He’s not. I already quit in 2005, well before Obama even thought of quitting. That’s quitting you can believe in.”

It is unknown at this time where Sen. Biden will replace Obama at the top of the ticket, but it is unlikely as the Obama campaign announced plans to return all unspent money to its supporters along with a 20% off coupon to flights to Canada.

http://greensboring.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=8971

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » September 21, 2008, 10:56 pm

"Man, this is shit." Hahahahah I would pay money to see that on television.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » September 22, 2008, 1:02 pm

Onion-esqe!

Mak · Post by **Mak** » September 22, 2008, 2:29 pm

I will say this: Barack Obama has really dropped in my esteem in the last month or so. I will admit I was not likely to vote for him at any point, but I respected him and believed that if he did indeed become President he was a far better choice than most. I believed him to be of a new generation of politicians, one that would break the current status quo in Washington.

Then he picked Joe Biden as his running mate- one of, in my opinion, the old guard who is at the very heart of that status quo.

Now, today, I read about his involvement in the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac cash give-away, being the #3 (or #2 depending on what site you read) recipient of money from these corporations, at the very same time I'm listening to his speech in Green Bay about the getting rid of the "broken government that allowed this crisis in the first place." And he is directly involved in it.

So, I have come to the conclusion that Barack Obama is just as big a scumbag as any other politician. He's nothing special. He's a lie. Not saying the other guy isn't, but one of the things I was prepared to say before was that Obama was honest and probably a good guy despite disagreeing with some of his politics. I can't say that anymore, and I am being completely honest when I say that makes me sad.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » September 22, 2008, 2:48 pm

For whatever reason, the list that shows Obama being #2 recipient didn't include contributions from these guys:

Which would place McCain higher on that list than Obama.

Mak · Post by **Mak** » September 22, 2008, 3:00 pm

Keverian FireCry wrote:For whatever reason, the list that shows Obama being #2 recipient didn't include contributions from these guys:

Which would place McCain higher on that list than Obama.

Interesting.

It does not, however, negate prior contributions before this campaign.

miir · Post by **miir** » September 22, 2008, 3:03 pm

That list is PROOF that McCain is clearly a bigger scumbag than Obama.

I guess you'll be changing your vote.... right?

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » September 22, 2008, 7:31 pm

A conservative for Obama. Well credentialed too.

http://www.statesman.com/opinion/conten ... _edit.html

Fash · Post by **Fash** » September 22, 2008, 7:40 pm

Miir wrote:
Mak wrote:
Keverian FireCry wrote:For whatever reason, the list that shows Obama being #2 recipient didn't include contributions from these guys:

Which would place McCain higher on that list than Obama.

That list is PROOF that McCain is clearly a bigger scumbag than Obama.

I guess you'll be changing your vote.... right?

Except the time period involved is important. When legislation to regulate Fannie/Freddie that McCain sponsored was being debated, Obama was raking in the dough. Now running for President, McCain is getting it... That doesn't automatically make him a scumbag, because there's no suggestion it is affecting his judgment at this time. Obama may have been influenced, though it was a party-line vote, and 'doomed us all' if you believe it's as big a crisis as some say.

btw, what has Obama sponsored? has he put any legislation up for debate? i vote present.