The web site is down

miir · Post by **miir** » September 5, 2008, 10:36 am

Holy crap this is funny

http://thewebsiteisdown.com/

Post by **Sylvus** » September 5, 2008, 11:18 am

http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/view ... 66#p406566

NO SOUP FOR YOU!

miir · Post by **miir** » September 5, 2008, 11:19 am

youtube is blocked here.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 5, 2008, 11:21 am

miir wrote:youtube is blocked here.

That's nazi bs.

I went off on the nazi IT manager here yesterday because they have the install for Google Chrome blocked. I fucking hate IT people..

miir · Post by **miir** » September 5, 2008, 11:26 am

We block all downloads from google.
Too many problems with google toolbar and desktop search... google earth is right fucking nasty on the network.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » September 5, 2008, 12:01 pm

I can highly recommend the site in the original post be viewed. It's quite hilarious!

I have no interest in Google Chrome. It's not Firefox (which is a better browser... currently) and it's not IE (which is the only thing that works on half our Intranet tools).

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 5, 2008, 12:26 pm

A big part of my job is to test... My company has decided it's not important for our product to work in anything other than IE, however I think that's bullshit and don't really care what they (and especially not the moron IT people) think, so I test everything to see how it works. This is largely due to the fact that everyone in customer support comes to me when they can't figure something out, and I know sometime in the near future they are gonna get a call from someone using chrome and they're gonna want my help..

miir · Post by **miir** » September 5, 2008, 12:51 pm

My company has decided it's not important for our product to work in anything other than IE, however I think that's bullshit and don't really care what they (and especially not the moron IT people) think

That's a piss-poor attitude.

It's a major waste of resources to support browsers other than IE.
If it were your own company, you can waste your time and money developing for and supporting any and every fucking browser you want.

Until you change that attitude, you're gonna be stuck in go-nowhere jobs like software QA.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » September 5, 2008, 12:55 pm

awesome, funk.. thats called being proactive. do your coworkers send you lots of happygrams? because they should. keep at it and one day you wont be an entry level piece of shit getting paid by the hour

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » September 5, 2008, 12:55 pm

Concur.

EDIT: With Miir

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 5, 2008, 12:56 pm

miir wrote:
My company has decided it's not important for our product to work in anything other than IE, however I think that's bullshit and don't really care what they (and especially not the moron IT people) think
That's a piss-poor attitude.

It's a major waste of resources to support browsers other than IE.
If it were your own company, you can waste your time and money developing for and supporting any and every fucking browser you want.

Until you change that attitude, you're gonna be stuck in go-nowhere jobs like software QA.

Really? Strange that I'm only doing software QA right now to help them out and I've actually moved to development... Trust me when I say that if my attitude is lacking, it's only because this company is being run into the ground when some simple changes could make a big difference..

It's not a waste of resources for a company to support their product in firefox.. It's market share around the world continues to grow, and if someone using our product uses firefox for ever single other thing they do and they have to use IE for our product, in my mind that makes us look bad to that customer.. I know I don't want to have to use a specific browser for different shit, it annoys me.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 5, 2008, 12:58 pm

cadalano wrote:awesome, funk.. thats called being proactive. do your coworkers send you lots of happygrams? because they should. keep at it and one day you wont be an entry level piece of shit getting paid by the hour

You don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. It's cool, it's far from the first time.

It's so cute watching pathetic people like you getting your kicks out of annoying someone, it is a constant reminder of how much better than you I am.

miir · Post by **miir** » September 5, 2008, 1:01 pm

You're not as smart as you think you are.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » September 5, 2008, 1:01 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:It's not a waste of resources for a company to support their product in firefox.

Really. It is.

Development hours + Test hours + Customer Support hours = Resources

We got the "Hey DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES install this shit" happygram this AM as well.

EDIT: Our Intranet is coded for IE. If you use Firefox with the tools they behave erratically or just outright fail to work. It's not my company's job to fix this nor mine to waste my time trying to make it work. Cross-browser functionality has a very real cost.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » September 5, 2008, 1:02 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:I fucking hate IT people..

I had a meeting with IT people yesterday and they all agreed that they fucking hate you too.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 5, 2008, 1:04 pm

Ashur wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:It's not a waste of resources for a company to support their product in firefox.
Really. It is.

Development hours + Test hours + Customer Support hours = Resources

We got the "Hey DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES install this shit" happygram this AM as well.

Thing is, our customer support hours are spent either way, because the company wants them to help the people even if they are using a browser we don't support... And those support people don't know what they are doing so they ask myself or a handful of other people for help. So the times being spent, why not make it official? I know the issues with our product in firefox, and they are actually pretty minor.. Probably 20 hours of a developers time would take care of it.

miir · Post by **miir** » September 5, 2008, 1:07 pm

Percentage of PCs that have IE installed: 100%
Percentage of PCs that have Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome, etc installed: not 100%

Cost to develop, test and support your application for IE = $X
Cost to develop, test and support your application for IE and other browsers = more than $X

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » September 5, 2008, 1:08 pm

you are such a clueless little script kiddie wannabe. if you actually weren't a spineless piece of shit in real life and simply lying about how you are totally sticking it to those IT guys to try to impress us, they'd be laughing their asses off harder than we are.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 5, 2008, 1:10 pm

miir wrote:Percentage of PCs that have IE installed: 100%
Percentage of PCs that have Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome, etc installed: not 100%

Cost to develop, test and support your application for IE = $X
Cost to develop, test and support your application for IE and other browsers = more than $X

Did you completely ignore my post? I have a valid point, get over it.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » September 5, 2008, 1:10 pm

Funkmasterr is the smartest motherfucker on the planet.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 5, 2008, 1:10 pm

WebSense has been around for years. It is there for a reason.

Perhaps instead of yelling at "moronic IT people", you can try not being a douchebag to them and maybe learn way to work around WebSense inconveniences.

If you feel that you are above them, however, by all means continue to pound your fists into your desk with righteous indignation!!11!

Act like a professional, if you want to become one. Take your PMPs and DCSA people out for beer. Try to have respect for others in the workplace. Not everyone though--some people are just too creepy to work with.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » September 5, 2008, 1:12 pm

Go work for Microsoft with that mindset. Yes it costs a little more, but it's Customer Service for christ sake. Some of your customers don't want to use IE to access your services. There's nothing wrong with his frustration, as obviously it is felt by his customers.

miir · Post by **miir** » September 5, 2008, 1:12 pm

You have 100% coverage developing for IE.
Untill the company decides to support other platforms, you're wasting their resources trying to support it.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 5, 2008, 1:16 pm

Canelek wrote:WebSense has been around for years. It is there for a reason.

Perhaps instead of yelling at "moronic IT people", you can try not being a douchebag to them and maybe learn way to work around WebSense inconveniences.

If you feel that you are above them, however, by all means continue to pound your fists into your desk with righteous indignation!!11!

Act like a professional, if you want to become one. Take your PMPs and DCSA people out for beer. Try to have respect for others in the workplace. Not everyone though--some people are just too creepy to work with.

Oh trust me I do, and I have. Myself and many others have had meeting upon meeting with VP's/managers and the CEO to try and explain to them with data, charts, etc, why the way we are doing things isn't working. This company has gone out of business once before and is headed down exactly the same path again, and it's frustrating as hell that no one wants to listen.. All they seem to care about is getting the investors their money back, cause the investors want out, probably because they see what I see.

Just because I snap about something on a message board doesn't mean any of you people then know enough to gauge how I am at work. I have all the respect in the world for people at work and act as such, until they make me repeat myself a million times, then I stop being polite.

Many of you seem to have the exact corporate attitude that I detest.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 5, 2008, 1:18 pm

I did a great deal of ASP coding around 8 years ago. Try to get that shit to work right on other browsers....whew. Hooray for standardization! Back in the 90s you pretty much had to deal with netscape and IE. Now, you can just toss the other options into a bucket and focus on IE. Of course, all I have to worry about these days is around 50 SQL Server instances. Believe me, that is way more fun than browser-whining.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 5, 2008, 1:18 pm

miir wrote:You have 100% coverage developing for IE.
Untill the company decides to support other platforms, you're wasting their resources trying to support it.

You're missing the part where they tell their internal employees we don't support those browsers, but when customers call in using it management requires us to fix their problem. I had to have like 5 meetings with people to get them to stop supporting Windows 98 a year after MS stopped supporting it....

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » September 5, 2008, 1:21 pm

My company is pretty lenient on how you spend your time, but they would be pretty pissed off if one of our QA people starting testing our product in Firefox for no reason. Granted, we do have a team of developers/QA people working on cross browser compatibility (which is technically a different product from our main one, which will continue to be IE only), but given the experience I have had with designing javascript in IE, 70% of the code which works correctly in IE will not work correctly in firefox. When you find bugs in firefox, do you send it to developers to be fixed? and if not, what do you do with the bugs, since I doubt you make any sort of bug report/task because your bosses would see them and be like "why are you wasting your time?"

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 5, 2008, 1:24 pm

Aardor wrote:My company is pretty lenient on how you spend your time, but they would be pretty pissed off if one of our QA people starting testing our product in Firefox for no reason. Granted, we do have a team of developers/QA people working on cross browser compatibility (which is technically a different product from our main one, which will continue to be IE only), but given the experience I have had with designing javascript in IE, 70% of the code which works correctly in IE will not work correctly in firefox. When you find bugs in firefox, do you send it to developers to be fixed? and if not, what do you do with the bugs, since I doubt you make any sort of bug report/task because your bosses would see them and be like "why are you wasting your time?"

I don't spend a lot of time on it. I just get familiar with how the product works in the different browsers and the issues that people might see right away so I'm prepared when I get questions about it from support.

Our product uses - java/xml/xslt - and it actually almost works like normal in firefox. The functionality actually works, it's just mostly navigational and display issues.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » September 5, 2008, 1:32 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:
Aardor wrote:My company is pretty lenient on how you spend your time, but they would be pretty pissed off if one of our QA people starting testing our product in Firefox for no reason. Granted, we do have a team of developers/QA people working on cross browser compatibility (which is technically a different product from our main one, which will continue to be IE only), but given the experience I have had with designing javascript in IE, 70% of the code which works correctly in IE will not work correctly in firefox. When you find bugs in firefox, do you send it to developers to be fixed? and if not, what do you do with the bugs, since I doubt you make any sort of bug report/task because your bosses would see them and be like "why are you wasting your time?"
I don't spend a lot of time on it. I just get familiar with how the product works in the different browsers and the issues that people might see right away so I'm prepared when I get questions about it from support.

Our product uses - java/xml/xslt - and it actually almost works like normal in firefox. The functionality actually works, it's just mostly navigational and display issues.

Yeah, the java/xml/xslt are all server side or browser independent (our product uses the same stuff), so only client side code will (what i meant by javascript, but it could be a number of things) be effected. The biggest issues I have experienced is the way you are allowed to access the DOM in IE vs Firefox/Opera/Safari. It just seems like you're wasting your time, since you can't report the bug (you don't support firefox), and you can't fix the bug (or I imagine your boss wouldn't be too happy when he asked why you changed stable code and your response was to make it work in an unsupported browser).

Guess you could be spending the time browsing the internet instead, though.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » September 5, 2008, 1:38 pm

Well, obviously because he thinks he's smarter than everyone else that has more authority/experience than him; just like any other teenager.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 5, 2008, 1:45 pm

Zaelath wrote:Well, obviously because he thinks he's smarter than everyone else that has more authority/experience than him; just like any other teenager.

Way to completely ignore everything I said and make a comment you have no authority to make. Typical for you though.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 5, 2008, 1:47 pm

Aardor wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:
Aardor wrote:My company is pretty lenient on how you spend your time, but they would be pretty pissed off if one of our QA people starting testing our product in Firefox for no reason. Granted, we do have a team of developers/QA people working on cross browser compatibility (which is technically a different product from our main one, which will continue to be IE only), but given the experience I have had with designing javascript in IE, 70% of the code which works correctly in IE will not work correctly in firefox. When you find bugs in firefox, do you send it to developers to be fixed? and if not, what do you do with the bugs, since I doubt you make any sort of bug report/task because your bosses would see them and be like "why are you wasting your time?"
I don't spend a lot of time on it. I just get familiar with how the product works in the different browsers and the issues that people might see right away so I'm prepared when I get questions about it from support.

Our product uses - java/xml/xslt - and it actually almost works like normal in firefox. The functionality actually works, it's just mostly navigational and display issues.
Yeah, the java/xml/xslt are all server side or browser independent (our product uses the same stuff), so only client side code will (what i meant by javascript, but it could be a number of things) be effected. The biggest issues I have experienced is the way you are allowed to access the DOM in IE vs Firefox/Opera/Safari. It just seems like you're wasting your time, since you can't report the bug (you don't support firefox), and you can't fix the bug (or I imagine your boss wouldn't be too happy when he asked why you changed stable code and your response was to make it work in an unsupported browser).

Guess you could be spending the time browsing the internet instead, though.

I know.. But until I'm not expected to field questions about a browser we supposedly don't support, I don't really have a choice.

I do get plenty of time browsing at work though, don't you worry about that!

Carnon-Veeshan · Post by **Carnon-Veeshan** » September 5, 2008, 2:01 pm

miir wrote:We block all downloads from google.
Too many problems with google toolbar and desktop search... google earth is right fucking nasty on the network.

we block google toobar and search also, but for some reason way above my paygrade they allow google.earth /shrug.. guess some admiral likes to look at his house in the hamptons..

but google crome sucks in its current state.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 5, 2008, 2:03 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Just because I snap about something on a message board doesn't mean any of you people then know enough to gauge how I am at work. I have all the respect in the world for people at work and act as such, until they make me repeat myself a million times, then I stop being polite.

Oh really?

Funkmasterr wrote:I went off on the nazi IT manager here yesterday because they have the install for Google Chrome blocked.

I think we do.

Although I'm sure you 'going off' on someone was probably more like you whimpering like a beat dog as you skulked back to your cube in the basement.

Post by **Sylvus** » September 5, 2008, 2:05 pm

I personally think it's quite noble of Funkmasterr to test browsers they aren't supposed to support. In fact, I think he should spend a lot more time testing every version of every type of browser: IE, FF, Chrome, Safari, Opera, Netscape Navigator, Mosaic, Lynx, Konqueror... He should do full compatibility testing using Six Sigma to identify any defects and encourage his development team to use Agile Development to correct those problems. He should fully document everything that he does (even if some of his methodologies don't particularly value documentation) and when he's finished testing everything, he should go back and start again from the beginning.

Maybe that would be enough to get him to shut the fuck up around here.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » September 5, 2008, 2:07 pm

Six Sigma... Agile... gah, I just threw up a little.

Post by **Sylvus** » September 5, 2008, 2:08 pm

Fash wrote:Six Sigma... Agile... gah, I just threw up a little.

I did that on purpose.

(it makes me throw up a little too)

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » September 5, 2008, 2:11 pm

THREAD IS GAY LOCK THREAD

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 5, 2008, 2:15 pm

Wow, it's been a while. I forgot how much I truly detest some of you. I can only hope the feeling is mutual so my continued posting here annoys you as much as you people being alive annoys me.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » September 5, 2008, 2:18 pm

Sylvus wrote:
Fash wrote:Six Sigma... Agile... gah, I just threw up a little.
I did that on purpose.

(it makes me throw up a little too)

Ugh, likewise. The only thing you could have added was the phrase "going forward."

Also Sylvus your post inspired me to install Lynx on one of our cross browser developers computers, and replace all the targets of his IE, Firefox, Opera, and Safari with the Lynx executable.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 5, 2008, 2:25 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Wow, it's been a while. I forgot how much I truly detest some of you. I can only hope the feeling is mutual so my continued posting here annoys you as much as you people being alive annoys me.

Haha you pwned yourself!!!!! Did such a good job of it that it bears repeating. Have fun hating me because you know I'm right roflcopter!!!!

Funkmasterr wrote:Just because I snap about something on a message board doesn't mean any of you people then know enough to gauge how I am at work. I have all the respect in the world for people at work and act as such, until they make me repeat myself a million times, then I stop being polite.

Oh really?

Funkmasterr wrote:I went off on the nazi IT manager here yesterday because they have the install for Google Chrome blocked.

I think we do.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » September 5, 2008, 2:38 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:
Zaelath wrote:Well, obviously because he thinks he's smarter than everyone else that has more authority/experience than him; just like any other teenager.
Way to completely ignore everything I said and make a comment you have no authority to make. Typical for you though.

So true, lol. However, better to typically ignore a retard than be one, imo.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » September 5, 2008, 2:42 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:It's so cute watching pathetic people like you getting your kicks out of annoying someone, it is a constant reminder of how much better than you I am.

Funkmasterr wrote:Wow, it's been a while. I forgot how much I truly detest some of you. I can only hope the feeling is mutual so my continued posting here annoys you as much as you people being alive annoys me.

IN THE SAME THREAD!

lmao.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 5, 2008, 2:43 pm

omg more self pwnage!!1

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » September 5, 2008, 2:53 pm

Carnon-Veeshan wrote:we block google toobar and search also, but for some reason way above my paygrade they allow google.earth /shrug.. guess some admiral likes to look at his house in the hamptons..

It probably represents the closest thing the enemy has to satellite coverage, so it's nice to know how much they know.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 5, 2008, 2:56 pm

Truant wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:It's so cute watching pathetic people like you getting your kicks out of annoying someone, it is a constant reminder of how much better than you I am.

Funkmasterr wrote:Wow, it's been a while. I forgot how much I truly detest some of you. I can only hope the feeling is mutual so my continued posting here annoys you as much as you people being alive annoys me.
IN THE SAME THREAD!

lmao.

LOL YEAH IM SURE A HYPOCRITE!!1

The difference is I'd rather not deal with the constant shit slinging, name calling, etc - I get zero enjoyment out of it... But if you guys are going to make it a point to piss me off at every step, I might as well return the favor.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 5, 2008, 2:57 pm

It probably represents the closest thing the enemy has to satellite coverage, so it's nice to know how much they know.

Crush the enemy
See them driven before you
Hear the lamentation of the women

This has been a rather enjoyable thread.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » September 5, 2008, 4:31 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:
Truant wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:It's so cute watching pathetic people like you getting your kicks out of annoying someone, it is a constant reminder of how much better than you I am.

Funkmasterr wrote:Wow, it's been a while. I forgot how much I truly detest some of you. I can only hope the feeling is mutual so my continued posting here annoys you as much as you people being alive annoys me.
IN THE SAME THREAD!

lmao.
LOL YEAH IM SURE A HYPOCRITE!!1

The difference is I'd rather not deal with the constant shit slinging, name calling, etc - I get zero enjoyment out of it... But if you guys are going to make it a point to piss me off at every step, I might as well return the favor.

Since failing at quitting this place the last (third?) time, you've stated multiple times that the only reason you come here is to piss off/annoy all of us and ruin this place so noone wants to come here anymore.

But uhh, nice try...

lmnt9 · Post by **lmnt9** » September 5, 2008, 5:31 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:
miir wrote:youtube is blocked here.
That's nazi bs.

I went off on the nazi IT manager here yesterday because they have the install for Google Chrome blocked. I fucking hate IT people..

What an amazingly ignorant statement.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 5, 2008, 5:49 pm

Truant wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:
Truant wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:It's so cute watching pathetic people like you getting your kicks out of annoying someone, it is a constant reminder of how much better than you I am.

Funkmasterr wrote:Wow, it's been a while. I forgot how much I truly detest some of you. I can only hope the feeling is mutual so my continued posting here annoys you as much as you people being alive annoys me.
IN THE SAME THREAD!

lmao.
LOL YEAH IM SURE A HYPOCRITE!!1

The difference is I'd rather not deal with the constant shit slinging, name calling, etc - I get zero enjoyment out of it... But if you guys are going to make it a point to piss me off at every step, I might as well return the favor.
Since failing at quitting this place the last (third?) time, you've stated multiple times that the only reason you come here is to piss off/annoy all of us and ruin this place so noone wants to come here anymore.

But uhh, nice try...

What don't you get dude? You guys wanna wreck my fun and spout off everytime I post, I'm going to strike back. What I don't understand is how someone's life is so pathetic that they get their kicks out of getting a rise out of someone, I've never gotten a answer from anyone here to that question.