US troops 'to quit Iraq by 2011'

[Nick]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 577730.stm


It's good that the globally accepted mightiest fuckup of 21st century may somehow manage to end before the dreaded decade period. God knows 10 years would have been terrible, but 8 is fine. Just keep repeating, 8 is fine.

I'm sure all the history books will look at it positively (well, those ones that are printed in a certain somewhere anyway).

[Winnow]

What's fucked up about it? We secured our oil and liberated the Iraqi people.

Just because we spent 100X more than your country is worth on the campaign is something Americans will deal with. I'd bet it's a close call between how many U.S. soldiers died protecting the West's interests to how many stupid drunk Irish died choking on their own vomit or Irish wives died, beaten to death by their husbands.

The report states that the Irish are amongst the highest consumers of alcohol in Europe, with a consumption rate of 13.5 litres of pure alcohol per adult in 2003.

According to Minister Martin, "there is no doubt that alcohol related harm is one of the biggest public health issues facing Ireland today from an economic, social and personal standpoint. This harm is not limited to the individual drinker but also to those around them and to society. This wide-ranging report, which I will be bringing to Government, contains recommendations relevant to many different sectors in Irish life. For my part as Minister for Health and Children, I want to place particular priority on protecting children from the harmful effects of alcohol and on advising of the risks associated with consuming alcohol during pregnancy.

Current alcohol related trends cited in the Second Report of the STFA include;

* In a study of seven European countries, Ireland had the highest level of binge drinkers, with 58% of drinking occasions ending up in binge drinking among men and 30% among women.

* Alcohol related mortality has increased in line with the increases in alcohol consumption between 1992 and 2002, in particular alcohol specific chronic conditions e.g. dependency, abuse and psychosis (+61%) and acute conditions e.g. alcohol poisoning (+90%).

* Nearly ?6 billion of personal income is spent on alcohol in Ireland representing 1,942 for every adult (15 years and over).

* 37% of all deaths from drowning in 2002 were alcohol related

* Alcohol is estimated to be involved in 40% of road deaths and at least 30% of all road accidents each year in Ireland.

* Alcohol is the third most detrimental risk factor for European ill health and premature death, after only tobacco and high blood pressure.

* According to Dr. Jim Kiely, Chairman of the Strategic Task Force on Alcohol and Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health and Children, "The recommendations include a wide range of initiatives and combine to make a national, regional and local framework for tackling this issue. They should be implemented as an integrated programme and include the introduction of community action projects, effective primary care programmes, the development of employers guidelines on alcohol policies and professional training for those in contact with alcohol problems, alcohol free alternative venues for children, and increasing taxes on alcohol."

[Funkmasterr]

What's fucked up about it? We secured our oil and liberated the Iraqi people.

Just because we spent 100X more than your country is worth on the campaign is something Americans will deal with. I'd bet it's a close call between how many U.S. soldiers died protecting the West's interests to how many stupid drunk Irish died choking on their own vomit or Irish wives died, beaten to death by their husbands.

The report states that the Irish are amongst the highest consumers of alcohol in Europe, with a consumption rate of 13.5 litres of pure alcohol per adult in 2003.

According to Minister Martin, "there is no doubt that alcohol related harm is one of the biggest public health issues facing Ireland today from an economic, social and personal standpoint. This harm is not limited to the individual drinker but also to those around them and to society. This wide-ranging report, which I will be bringing to Government, contains recommendations relevant to many different sectors in Irish life. For my part as Minister for Health and Children, I want to place particular priority on protecting children from the harmful effects of alcohol and on advising of the risks associated with consuming alcohol during pregnancy.

Current alcohol related trends cited in the Second Report of the STFA include;

* In a study of seven European countries, Ireland had the highest level of binge drinkers, with 58% of drinking occasions ending up in binge drinking among men and 30% among women.

* Alcohol related mortality has increased in line with the increases in alcohol consumption between 1992 and 2002, in particular alcohol specific chronic conditions e.g. dependency, abuse and psychosis (+61%) and acute conditions e.g. alcohol poisoning (+90%).

* Nearly ?6 billion of personal income is spent on alcohol in Ireland representing 1,942 for every adult (15 years and over).

* 37% of all deaths from drowning in 2002 were alcohol related

* Alcohol is estimated to be involved in 40% of road deaths and at least 30% of all road accidents each year in Ireland.

* Alcohol is the third most detrimental risk factor for European ill health and premature death, after only tobacco and high blood pressure.

* According to Dr. Jim Kiely, Chairman of the Strategic Task Force on Alcohol and Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health and Children, "The recommendations include a wide range of initiatives and combine to make a national, regional and local framework for tackling this issue. They should be implemented as an integrated programme and include the introduction of community action projects, effective primary care programmes, the development of employers guidelines on alcohol policies and professional training for those in contact with alcohol problems, alcohol free alternative venues for children, and increasing taxes on alcohol."

I wanted to take a second winnow, to thank you for that post. I laughed my ass off, well done sir.

[Nick]

I see I managed to piss Winnow off. Good- he's a fucking moron anyway. Since I'm so good at it, maybe I should give you guys some pointers on what "mission accomplished" really means - just so, you know, you all don't make the same terrible mistake again.

[Fash]

Still can't figure out why you even care, let alone be so passionate about it... there's nothing to discuss here except your misplaced aggression.

Whatever the US and Iraq agree to, I'm fine with. No one is arguing to stay there indefinitely, just until the job is done.

oh wow the mission accomplished line again, that's so classic. the only thing that could make it better would be if it weren't a meaningless straw-man.

[Nick]

Still can't figure out why you even care, let alone be so passionate about it

Durrrr - american news must be really fucking selective about how everyone else views the largest most murderous act of the 21st century if we have dimwit responses like this being considered the norm, by even the most fundamentally moronic standards of reality.

[Fash]

Still can't figure out why you even care, let alone be so passionate about it

Durrrr - american news must be really fucking selective about how everyone else views the largest most murderous act of the 21st century if we have dimwit responses like this being considered the norm, by even the most fundamentally moronic standards of reality.

You're hilarious. largest most murderous act? why limit yourself to the 21st century?

I can understand having a stance on the issue, but you're a complete outsider here. You have no emotional investment in this situation, and yet your blubbering vagina is covering this forum with a tangy goo all day every day about the war in Iraq.

I don't give a shit what it costs you to buy arugula over there in fairytale land, sir. I also disagree with your notion that a majority of the world has even 1/10th the feelings you do about this war.

[Nick]

Ahh right, I get the link. Because Barack Obama, the Democratic anti-Iraq nominee for the US elections mentions aragula, people 2 thousand miles away are not allowed (because we all know random yanks like you decide these sorts of things) to feel passionate about a clumsy pre-teen well armed nation deciding to murder hundreds of thousands of innocent people because it makes them feel better about themselves.

You're a terrible little idiot. But hey, that's par for the course with Americans.

[Fash]

Wasn't making a reference to Obama, arugula was just a convenient and funny word to explain that I don't care about you, even a little, because you're not from my country and you're not my responsibility. That might make me unemotional, but it doesn't imply idiocy. For all you know, the truly intelligent may detach themselves from emotion... to remove any irrational bias.

[Tyek]

I thought we were not allowed to talk about America Nick. You told us that in the Olympic thread. I guess I forgot the part where it is ok to bash them, just don't speak positive about anything American.

I also don't understand. You have been bitching for years for us to leave. We set a timetable and you are still not happy. Most of the U.S. is against the war. We were tricked and the guy who helped trick us is leaving office. Hell even Obama voted to fund the war until 2006. Hopefully they will follow through with the timetable, but from what I have read and heard it is fairly ambiguous in an actual withdrawl.

[Funkmasterr]

Nick's constant, monotonous bullshit is in all seriousness the most obnoxious and tiring thing on this forum. It has been for a while, and it just keeps getting worse. Fuck, I know I can be a pain in the ass, and so can a fair handful of other people here, but his shit is seriously getting old. He rapes the fun out of almost every thread he posts in immediately, it's almost like it fuels him.. And I won't even go into how he constantly passes his extreme views off as the views of the entire world - America. I know I'm not the only person that feels this way.

At least (according to him) he has me on ignore so I just have to listen to him make generalizations about America as opposed to his unfounded personal attacks too. Talk about clueless.

[Boogahz]

Look at where Nick has admitted to getting his news from and you will understand his outrage. His sources are probably 20x more biased than any of "us" would see on Faux News.

[Nick]

"Admitted" - you make it sound like a bad thing that I get news from the very same fucking websites you would visit.

The difference is of course more to do with the fact that I'm not blinded by patriotism, and read these interesting little things called "books" to learn about stuff. You should try them out sometime Boogahz.

States of denial much?

[Boogahz]

I could have sworn you had some kind of activist mailing lists/websites that you relied upon. Maybe I am mistaken.

[Tyek]

How dare you even suggest that Nick would resort to using news sources that are politically motivated or agenda driven when he elucidates the evil American plan. This is clearly another attempt by the fuckwits in charge of the global war mongering nation of America to confuse the midnytes and funks of the world and make them believe that America is good. You Boogs, have shown once again why America is hated in every land. I mean I have gone out and actually talked with most of the European community and not just my circle of like-minded friends and we have made the determination that not only does America suck, but that everyone hates it, which is why they all try and come here.

So take that

fuckwit
fuckwit
fuckwit...

[Boogahz]

you forgot to fling fecal matter

[Zaelath]

which is why they all try and come here.

Which is exactly the kind of arrogance which does make those that don't live in even bigger shitholes than the US laugh up their sleeves at you....

Oh well.

[Boogahz]

which is why they all try and come here.

Which is exactly the kind of arrogance which does make those that don't live in even bigger shitholes than the US laugh up their sleeves at you....

Oh well.

That's okay. We're all laughing at your inability to recognize sarcasm.

[Nick]

RE : Spang:

Except for the ones who voted for Bush twice or have supported the war?

I posted a pertinent article (from BBC - yeah That ZANY LEFT WING LIBERAL news source) about what is effectively accepted by the vast majority of the world, and even the vast majority of americans, to be a total and utter clusterfuck based on lies thats needlessly caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands, displaced millions, increased hatred for America at a time when support for America after 911 was at an all time high. Bin Laden if alive is in Pakistan, but I doubt you would touch them, best go after the other sand niggers who can't defend themselves right?

There's plenty to celebrate about America, in terms of culture. Not so much in terms of the war on science, backward religious moronism, but you get that in every country to a degree. Don't get me wrong. It's been funny watching the reaction of outright hostility given to me by people who don't have the balls to admit there is a single fault with anything their country does. But hey no way, I'm the zealot, not them!

Also, it's good to rub it in their noses. Fuck em.

[Spang]

I've already apologized on behalf of all Americans for the conflict in Iraq a few months ago, maybe even more than a year ago.

Again, on behalf of all arrogant, loudmouthed Americans, I apologize to the rest of the world (especially Ireland) for the fuck up that none of us had anything to do with.

[Tyek]

RE : Spang:

Except for the ones who voted for Bush twice or have supported the war?

I posted a pertinent article (from BBC - yeah That ZANY LEFT WING LIBERAL news source) about what is effectively accepted by the vast majority of the world, and even the vast majority of americans, to be a total and utter clusterfuck based on lies thats needlessly caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands, displaced millions, increased hatred for America at a time when support for America after 911 was at an all time high.

With the exception of maybe one or two people, who on this board has not admitted this was a clusterfuck? We all agreed with you on it. The point is you keep saying it on EVERY post. We get it already. We hired the wrong dude, there were enough idiots out there to do it again. I would bet if you took a truthful poll, most of the people on this board did not vote for Bush. Part of the reason others did was the stupid Dems picked a crappy candidate. I think it was less about the citizens accepting Bush as it was about them rejecting Kerry.

I also hope you are not naive enough to think that Barrack is going to fix anything. He still has a Senate and House that will run things the way they always have. Anyone who thinks change is coming is probably not playing with a full deck. The Dems are just as guilty in all this mess as the Republicans and while we will see small changes, nothing major will really happen. It would be too dangerous for a sitting Senator or Rep to cause a stir that might isolate his voters.

[Funkmasterr]

RE : Spang:

Except for the ones who voted for Bush twice or have supported the war?

I posted a pertinent article (from BBC - yeah That ZANY LEFT WING LIBERAL news source) about what is effectively accepted by the vast majority of the world, and even the vast majority of americans, to be a total and utter clusterfuck based on lies thats needlessly caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands, displaced millions, increased hatred for America at a time when support for America after 911 was at an all time high.

With the exception of maybe one or two people, who on this board has not admitted this was a clusterfuck? We all agreed with you on it. The point is you keep saying it on EVERY post. We get it already. We hired the wrong dude, there were enough idiots out there to do it again. I would bet if you took a truthful poll, most of the people on this board did not vote for Bush. Part of the reason others did was the stupid Dems picked a crappy candidate. I think it was less about the citizens accepting Bush as it was about them rejecting Kerry.

I also hope you are not naive enough to think that Barrack is going to fix anything. He still has a Senate and House that will run things the way they always have. Anyone who thinks change is coming is probably not playing with a full deck. The Dems are just as guilty in all this mess as the Republicans and while we will see small changes, nothing major will really happen. It would be too dangerous for a sitting Senator or Rep to cause a stir that might isolate his voters.

Pretty much agree.

It's just naive to say that Bush is so much worse than other politicians in what he says/does. They are all full of shit, and the people that think Obama is the black reincarnation of Kennedy have another thing coming.

I was just reading the cover story in newsweek while I waited at the dentist office, it was about what Bush has done that was good. They pointed out the obvious mistakes that have been made, etc, but they also pointed out that most of the questionable or bad shit that happened was in his first term. In his second term he either amended those laws/bills etc that were questionable, or got rid of them.

Many of the things he has done in his second term have been considered good, and a lot more centric, and they have been considered so by people who have a lot more knowledge and insight as to what really happens and how things work than any of us here.

People are just shallow though.. They are upset about Iraq because they don't agree with it, they hear a catchy line like "Bush lied people died" (people with this bumper sticker should be executed, as I said in another thread) and they cling to it. From then on, there is no fucking way Bush will ever do anything right because people have made up their minds.

It's kinda pathetic, but I guess it has a lot to do with human nature.

[Zaelath]

So, if I send you flowers in my second term, you'll think I'm a good guy?

Eddie, you keep talking like a bitch, I'm gonna slap you like a bitch.

[Funkmasterr]

So, if I send you flowers in my second term, you'll think I'm a good guy?

Eddie, you keep talking like a bitch, I'm gonna slap you like a bitch.

That's not what I'm saying, and I think that comment is probably largely belittling changes that have been made. He didn't just get into that second term and say "Sorry guys, my bad" then continue to do the same bullshit.

[Zaelath]

So, if I send you flowers in my second term, you'll think I'm a good guy?

Eddie, you keep talking like a bitch, I'm gonna slap you like a bitch.

That's not what I'm saying, and I think that comment is probably largely belittling changes that have been made. He didn't just get into that second term and say "Sorry guys, my bad" then continue to do the same bullshit.

Then I think you'll have to come up with a bit better examples than "someone said something about some laws being rolled back in an article I read sometime", because as far as I see nothing has changed significantly....

[Nick]

Doh, the curse of quoting the ignored.

I'd love to know exactly what epic changes were made, since the reality is there haven't been any.

[Funkmasterr]

So, if I send you flowers in my second term, you'll think I'm a good guy?

Eddie, you keep talking like a bitch, I'm gonna slap you like a bitch.

That's not what I'm saying, and I think that comment is probably largely belittling changes that have been made. He didn't just get into that second term and say "Sorry guys, my bad" then continue to do the same bullshit.

Then I think you'll have to come up with a bit better examples than "someone said something about some laws being rolled back in an article I read sometime", because as far as I see nothing has changed significantly....

I briefly tried to find the article I was referencing but couldn't find it. If I feel better tonight I might try a little harder.

[Spang]

You won't.

[Funkmasterr]

You won't.

orly

[Gzette]

largest most murderous act of the 21st century

Darfur

[Nick]

The quicker they get out the quicker events like this will stop.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080827/us_ ... oldiers_dc