Canadians losing their heads...

[miir]

They don't even look muslim.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Again I ask.....why are the sheep in this country not exercising their rights to get a concealed carry permit and end this kind of shit?

[miir]

Again I ask.....why are the sheep in this country not exercising their rights to get a concealed carry permit and end this kind of shit?

Isn't Montana a shall-issue state?

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

You don't even need a license to carry concealed outside of city and town limits there. But it is a shall issue state if you want a license to carry inside of the city limits. What does that have to do with people not taking advantage of this to protect themselves against worthless criminals like this?

[miir]

I thought it was your argument that conceal-carry was a deterent to this kind of activity.

[laneela]

Again I ask.....why are the sheep in this country not exercising their rights to get a concealed carry permit and end this kind of shit?

Because some of us, through Darwinism, have become more civilized than the gun-toting cowboy renegades we used to (and possibly needed to) be back when the "right to bear arms" became a constitutional right (you know, back when our closest neighbour was 2 miles away and people took what they wanted with no fear of the law).

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Again I ask.....why are the sheep in this country not exercising their rights to get a concealed carry permit and end this kind of shit?

Because some of us, through Darwinism, have become more civilized than the gun-toting cowboy renegades we used to (and possibly needed to) be back when the "right to bear arms" became a constitutional right (you know, back when our closest neighbour was 2 miles away and people took what they wanted with no fear of the law).

Yes, we have. However, the criminals haven't. *shrug*

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Again I ask.....why are the sheep in this country not exercising their rights to get a concealed carry permit and end this kind of shit?

Because some of us, through Darwinism, have become more civilized than the gun-toting cowboy renegades we used to (and possibly needed to) be back when the "right to bear arms" became a constitutional right (you know, back when our closest neighbour was 2 miles away and people took what they wanted with no fear of the law).

I guess you and the rest of your Darwinians better adapt quicker before you peacenik geniuses are eliminated.

[masteen]

Again I ask.....why are the sheep in this country not exercising their rights to get a concealed carry permit and end this kind of shit?

Because some of us, through Darwinism, have become more civilized than the gun-toting cowboy renegades we used to (and possibly needed to) be back when the "right to bear arms" became a constitutional right (you know, back when our closest neighbour was 2 miles away and people took what they wanted with no fear of the law).

You place far too much faith in both the police and your fellow man.

[Aslanna]

Canada judge: Man not responsible for beheading

WINNIPEG, Manitoba – A Canadian judge ruled Thursday that a man accused of beheading and cannibalizing a fellow Greyhound bus passenger is not criminally responsible due to mental illness.

The decision means Chinese immigrant Vince Li will be treated in a mental institution instead of going to prison. The victim's family dismissed the trial as a "rubber stamp" that allows Li to get away with murder.

The judge said Li should not be held criminally accountable for stabbing Tim McLean dozens of times last July and dismembering his body while horrified passengers fled.

Justice John Scurfield said Li's attack was "grotesque" and "barbaric" but "strongly suggestive of a mental disorder."

"He did not appreciate the actions he committed were morally wrong. He believed he was acting in self-defense," Scurfield said.

Both the prosecution and the defense argued Li can't be held responsible because Li was suffering from schizophrenia and believed God wanted him to kill McLean because the young man was a force of evil.

He will be institutionalized without a criminal record and will be reassessed every year by a mental health review board to determine if he is fit for release into the community.

Li's trial barely lasted two days and only heard from two witnesses, both psychiatrists, who testified he is mentally ill.

That Li killed the 22-year-old carnival worker was never in question at the trial. Li has admitted he killed McLean but pleaded not guilty.

Witnesses said Li attacked McLean unprovoked as their bus traveled at night along a desolate stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway.

An agreed statement of facts between the prosecution and defense detailed how passengers stood outside the bus as Li stabbed McLean dozens of times and beheaded and mutilated his body. Finding himself locked inside the bus, Li finally escaped through a window and was arrested.

Li then apologized and pleaded with police to kill him.

Police said McLean's body parts were found throughout the bus in plastic bags, and the victim's ear, nose and tongue were found in Li's pocket.

A psychiatrist called by the prosecution Wednesday testified that Li cut up McLean's body because he believed that he would come back to life and take revenge.

McLean's family is vowing to turn their attention to fighting the law that allows people who are found not criminally responsible to be released into the community once they are deemed well, without serving a minimum sentence in jail.

McLean's mother, Carol deDelley, said her son didn't die in vain. His death highlights concerns about the justice system, she said.

"Now people are aware that there is a problem," she said.

[Leonaerd]

The judge said Li should not be held criminally accountable for stabbing Tim McLean dozens of times last July and dismembering his body while horrified passengers fled.

This reads like something out of The Onion.

I hope this spawns an intense debate on the issue between people that have more influence than this asshole of a judge. How he could even look at the family of the victim without feeling ashamed is lost on me.

[miir]

The guy is a diagnosed schizophrenic.
He probably has little, if any recollection of what happened.
He apparently showed remorse eventhough he probably doesn't understand what he did.


You obviously haven't any firsthand experience with someone who suffers from a mental illness like schizophrenia.

[Leonaerd]

The guy is a diagnosed schizophrenic.
He probably has little, if any recollection of what happened.
He apparently showed remorse eventhough he probably doesn't understand what he did.


You obviously haven't any firsthand experience with someone who suffers from a mental illness like schizophrenia.

Not much experience, anyway, but that doesn't mean a serious crime should go unpunished. Irrelevant.

... believed God wanted him to kill McLean because the young man was a force of evil.

He wouldn't have said this if he had no recollection of what happened. If he felt he was being told by a religious power to kill the man, he still knew he was killing. He knew he was killing a person.

The law decided that he can't be held accountable for a crime he knew he was commiting. This opens the door for loose interpretations and gray areas. What is the minimum amount of mental instability required for a person to not be charged for first degree murder? How is this threshold established, interpreted and applied? Why does being above or below this thin line result in two polar opposite conclusions: life imprisonment or no imprisonment?

Whether or not he grasped that what he did was a crime isn't important. If he is a part of society in the first place, he should be held to the same laws as everybody else, mental lapses be damned. Somebody, whether him or a potential caretaker who knew there was a probability that this guy could endanger somebody else, should go to prison. This will affect all of the deceased's remaining family and that should put the law on their side. No amount of recovery success this guy shows while in a padded room will prove to the family (or me) that he's fit to be returned to society. That he might be on the streets one day is maddening, however unlikely.

[miir]

What is the minimum amount of mental instability required for a person to not be charged for first degree murder?

This man and the victim had never met each other, there was no premeditation.
Even if he was in control of his mental faculties, he would not have been charged with first degree murder.

If he is a part of society in the first place, he should be held to the same laws as everybody else, mental lapses be damned.

Then I guess it's a good thing that hypocrites like you aren't in control of our legal system.

No amount of recovery success this guy shows while in a padded room will prove to the family (or me) that he's fit to be returned to society.

I am truly amazed that you're such a fucking expert in the field of mental illness that you can formulate a diagnosis from reading a news article that this person's mental illness is untreatable and he will never be fit to be returned to society.

Gimme a fucking break.

[Funkmasterr]

What is the minimum amount of mental instability required for a person to not be charged for first degree murder?

This man and the victim had never met each other, there was no premeditation.
Even if he was in control of his mental faculties, he would not have been charged with first degree murder.

If he is a part of society in the first place, he should be held to the same laws as everybody else, mental lapses be damned.

Then I guess it's a good thing that hypocrites like you aren't in control of our legal system.

No amount of recovery success this guy shows while in a padded room will prove to the family (or me) that he's fit to be returned to society.

I am truly amazed that you're such a fucking expert in the field of mental illness that you can formulate a diagnosis from reading a news article that this person's mental illness is untreatable and he will never be fit to be returned to society.

Gimme a fucking break.

Sing whatever sad song you want to sing for mr. schizo. As far as I'm concerned, no one that pleads insanity should ever be let back out into society. This would deter people from pleading insanity when they truly aren't, and it will also do a lot to prevent this guy from doing something in the future.

Sure, they may get him on some drugs and push those voice into the back of his head, but what happens when they let him out and he consciously decides to, or forgets to take his meds and lops someone elses head off?

[miir]

'Not Criminally Responsible' verdicts are very few and far between.
Defendants who are found 'not criminally responsible' are not discharged into society until they have been deemed 'no longer a risk to public safety'.

How is that worse than throwing them in prison for X number of years?


Instead of expressing your 'outrage' at an isolated incident involving a very sick man... you should be more concerned with the number of violent re-offenders who are continually released from your prisons.

[Zaelath]

Instead of expressing your 'outrage' at an isolated incident involving a very sick man... you should be more concerned with the number of violent re-offenders who are continually released from your prisons to make room for drug users.

Fixed.

[Funkmasterr]

I'm not arguing with the points either of you are making, and I'm not suggesting they put him in prison. What I'm suggesting is that they put him in a mental institution and he should never be allowed to leave. Like I said, their treatment for him will likely be drugs, and if he stops taking them this could happen again. He will never truly be "fixed".

[miir]

What I'm suggesting is that they put him in a mental institution and he should never be allowed to leave.

I don't think that's a very realistic (or well thought out) solution.

[Funkmasterr]

What I'm suggesting is that they put him in a mental institution and he should never be allowed to leave.

I don't think that's a very realistic (or well thought out) solution.

Are you arguing that they can truly "cure" his schizophrenia? That's my point, they just give these people drugs and the moment dude stops taking them the shit could hit the fan again.

[miir]

I really have no idea how severe or how treatable this individuals schizophrenia is.
Therapy and drugs can definately help treat this illness.

From what I have read this guy is actually a bigger threat to his own life than anyone else.

[Wulfran]

I really have no idea how severe or how treatable this individuals schizophrenia is.
Therapy and drugs can definately help treat this illness.

From what I have read this guy is actually a bigger threat to his own life than anyone else.

So what? He's a proven threat to the public when he's at large and not medicated, as evidenced by his beheading of Mr. McLean. I agree with Funk (rarity!) in that this guy should be institutionalized for the duration: what other guarantee does the public have that he WON'T arbitrarily decide he doesn't need/can't afford the meds (yeah its not the US but most people still have to pay for prescriptions, without supplemental insurance, and some can be pricey, especially when you consider this one that will never end). I'm not advocating prison either, but I don't see how people can say that his condition is serious enough that he's not responsible for his actions but he can be trusted on his own in a little while.

The other issue that has flown under the radar here is the fact he was a Chinese immigrant. Some may call me a racist/xenophobe for going down this path but I'm wondering what sort of screening he had to go through to get here. Do the Canadian immigration rules/regs/screening process need an updating to screen for mental illnesses or is it possible? Was this a pre-existing condition that was covered/missed? With his status as an immigrant, what happens in terms of reviewing and possibly revoking his status and sending him back to China?

Again, I am not a mental health expert so I don't know how identifiable this type of condition would be or how rapid the onset is, if its degenerative, but if it is severe enough to provoke a violent murder, questions do need to be asked.

[Canelek]

Actually, there are many effective treatments for the disease. Certainly more potential for the patient to lead a somewhat normal life than say....prison.

[Funkmasterr]

Actually, there are many effective treatments for the disease. Certainly more potential for the patient to lead a somewhat normal life than say....prison.

Could you provide some examples of permanent cures/treatments for the disease besides medication? Again, no one said anything about prison.

[miir]

Some may call me a racist/xenophobe for going down this path but I'm wondering what sort of screening he had to go through to get here. Do the Canadian immigration rules/regs/screening process need an updating to screen for mental illnesses or is it possible? Was this a pre-existing condition that was covered/missed? With his status as an immigrant, what happens in terms of reviewing and possibly revoking his status and sending him back to China?

OK you fucking racist.

He had been in Canada for nearly a decade.
He was married and had a bachelor of science and no history of mental illness.

Could you provide some examples of permanent cures/treatments for the disease besides medication?

Therapy can actually work wonders for patients with multiple personality disorders/schizophrenia.

[*~*stragi*~*]

the best treatment is 2 .45 slugs to the head BOOM HEADSHOT COUNTER TERRORISTS WIN

[miir]

stargi is a good american!

[Canelek]

Years ago, Thorazine was the big ticket for many psychosis. Sadly, that drug's side-affects pretty much left the patient in a drugged-out state most of the time. Therapy and group therapy can do a world of good in many cases. I cannot name any modern drugs at this time.

As an example though, my uncle was diagnosed with paranoid schitzophrenia with delusions of granduer at an early age. Years and years were spend on heavy drugs with really not much in the way of real non-invasive psychological treatment.

Years later, Johnny is 57 and living in his own apartment. Resident assistants are available, but he is on his own essentially, and has made friends. Adjusting has become easier as time has passed. Of course, he is still rather shy and rather child-like in many ways, but he has oce again started to play his guitar, and is more interactive with those around him.

So yeah, I would say therapy can be rather successful for many.

[Funkmasterr]

Years ago, Thorazine was the big ticket for many psychosis. Sadly, that drug's side-affects pretty much left the patient in a drugged-out state most of the time. Therapy and group therapy can do a world of good in many cases. I cannot name any modern drugs at this time.

As an example though, my uncle was diagnosed with paranoid schitzophrenia with delusions of granduer at an early age. Years and years were spend on heavy drugs with really not much in the way of real non-invasive psychological treatment.

Years later, Johnny is 57 and living in his own apartment. Resident assistants are available, but he is on his own essentially, and has made friends. Adjusting has become easier as time has passed. Of course, he is still rather shy and rather child-like in many ways, but he has oce again started to play his guitar, and is more interactive with those around him.

So yeah, I would say therapy can be rather successful for many.

While I am hesitant about how effective for what percentage of people therapy would be, I think if some fucker cut one of my family members head off and walked around with his ear in his pocket and you let him go back to life as usual after a year in a group home, I would take matters into my own hands.

I'm just saying, excuse the family and society as a whole if that's not a acceptable risk so that some basket case can pretend to have a normal life. I think you need to look at it from another perspective instead of just approaching it from a bleeding heart (I tried to think of a way to say this without sounding like a dick but couldn't, understand that wasn't my intention) stance of helping/saving everyone on Earth.

[miir]

So basically you're more interested in seeing this guy dead than you are seeing his disease get treated.

[Funkmasterr]

So basically you're more interested in seeing this guy dead than you are seeing his disease get treated.

Not at all.

All I'm saying is look at it from the victim's family's perspective. Would you be ok with the verdict? It would be hard for me not to call you a liar if your answer is anything but no.

Now try your hardest to put aside your ideals, and ask yourself if it's an acceptable risk for society to accept, considering the likelihood of a person in this condition relapsing.

EDIT: To clarify, I'm not claiming to know the likelihood of him relapsing, but I'm assuming there is a chance, and I don't know that I'm ok with any fraction of a chance.

[miir]

I'm getting the impresison that you think they're gonna give this guy some meds and dump him into a halfway house.



It's not like this guy is getting off scot free.

He will be institutionalized for a long fucking time.
The chances of him being released, unsupervised back into the general populace are low... the chances of him re-offending are even lower.

[Funkmasterr]

I'm getting the impresison that you think they're gonna give this guy some meds and dump him into a halfway house.



It's not like this guy is getting off scot free.

He will be institutionalized for a long fucking time.
The chances of him being released, unsupervised back into the general populace are low... the chances of him re-offending are even lower.

That is kind of the direction I'm going here. How long are they really going to keep him institutionalized? 2 years? 5 years? Then he has the entire rest of his life for something to go wrong. I'm not claiming to have the solution, I'm just trying to make the point that there is reason for people to be skeptical and unhappy about the verdict.

[Canelek]

Well, taken from the victim's family perspective is not really a good formula for objective discourse regarding criminal or mental rehabilitation....

[Gzette]

you could look to the example of John Hinckley Jr. as an example of someone who appears to be having successfully therapy. He's the guy that shot Reagan to show his undying love for Jodie Foster (obviously insane). A judge decided he was not guilty be reason of insanity and he has since been given more freedom. It's to the point that he can now visit his parents house on the weekend with little to no supervision (besides his parents) and doctors have asked that he get more freedom in order to continue his therapy.

I can't belittle either side, but I feel it is fair to give someone a shot a rehabilitation, and I think Hinckley is a good example. Maybe this Li guy could re-enter society on a limited basis after years and years of therapy and medication. The bottom line for me is that these people are not purposely killing others. They are not in control of their actions. The gruesomeness of the killing should not be viewed as a reason for him to be more dangerous. In fact, it should reinforce the opposite argument, that he was obviously insane and in no control of his actions.

A couple years back we had a guy here in Austin who stabbed a music teacher of his in the head something like 55 times in order to dig out a microchip he thought "they" had implanted in order to track him. This guy was not given adequate therapy prior to the killing and unfortunately it led to his teacher's death. The sad thing is with the mentally ill, is that law enforcement are hog tied. They can't lock someone up they know is insane until there is an incident. This Li fellow may have had signs for years that he was headed in this direction, but authorities could not do anything until there was an incident to "prove" he was insane.

I don;t know about Canada, but our state-run mental health facilities have deteriorated greatly over the years. They face little funding and are often forced to turn away people they know need help, because of a lack of beds. Of course, you're ok if you have insurance (which is an entitlement to humanity according to some of you).

[Fash]

I don't value human life that much. If you cut someones head off or stab them 55 times, it's time to visit a little place called the afterlife.

[Gzette]

I don't value human life that much. If you cut someones head off or stab them 55 times, it's time to visit a little place called the afterlife.

well, that's like, just your opinion man

[Gzette]

also wulfran, your thought about him being an immigrant was both xenophobic and racist! who gives a shit where the guy is from. cant really figure out why you included it (unless if youre a xenophobic racist)

[Zaelath]

I don't value human life that much. If you cut someones head off or stab them 55 times, it's time to visit a little place called the afterlife.

What if you cut their hand off or stab them 12 times?

[Wulfran]

also wulfran, your thought about him being an immigrant was both xenophobic and racist! who gives a shit where the guy is from. cant really figure out why you included it (unless if youre a xenophobic racist)

Well the articles constantly refer to him as a Chinese immigrant which leads to the question of is he a Canadian or Chinese citizen? If he's not a Canadian citizen, then why not ship him back to his home and wash our hands of the problem: let the Chinese legal and medical systems deal with him instead of Canadian society and taxpayers. Miir's post about him being a 10 yr resident pretty much put that to bed: to be in the country that long means he pretty much has to be a citizen, in which case why bother even mentioning it in the reports? (Something that bugs my ass about many reporters is the superfluous shit they put in these articles, looking for some colour: who cares what his origin is if it doesn't purtain to the case at hand?)

In the end, the reality is this guy has demonstrated, in a very real and graphic manner, that he can be a danger to society. It may not be his fault and it may be treatable/controllable, but its true none the less. He may never leave a mental institution and put me in the group that says he shouldn't, just in case of the event that he can't/doesn't continue his medications at some point on the outside. The chance of reoffending may be small but what were the chances of his illness causing him to take a life in the first place? There's a lot of shit in our society thats done to safeguard it from the small dangers of the few so why should he be an exception?

[Gzette]

I'm all for locking this guy up in a mental institution, I just don't like the insistence that he can never re-enter society. there should be rigorous testing therapy and other treatments that should be ongoing for decades, if not the rest of his life. My point is we should let trained doctors make that decision and quit judging from our computer desks. none of us can claim to be an expert on his condition or the possibility of him ever being anywhere near a normal non-dangerous person.

and sorry for calling you out on the racist xenophobe stuff. i didn't understand your point.

[miir]

Something that bugs my ass about many reporters is the superfluous shit they put in these articles, looking for some colour: who cares what his origin is if it doesn't purtain to the case at hand?

Same here.

and sorry for calling you out on the racist xenophobe stuff. i didn't understand your point.

I'm not sorry... just keeping the VV traditions alive.

Besides, I got nothin but love for Wulf.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

I do not understand how you can defend someone that murdered people...no matter what the blame. Quite frankly it sickens me that you libtards actually value the lives of the victims or potential victims less than you do that poor attacker.

Why is it always the same sob story that little Jimmy was just misunderstood and was turning his life around before he killed those people...and it just could not be his fault. I really could care less if that guy was crazy, drugged up, filled with the holy spirit, space aliens shot a ray into his brain, the gubment planted a chip in his brain, or any other fucking story anyone wants to tell. You murder someone, your ass should get one speedy ticket to 8 billion volts (generated by a giant hamster wheel or some other green form of enery to satisfy you fucking idiots) coursing through their body until their flesh is toasty enough to be served with a fresh green salad and a sprig of parsley. There are another 6 billion people we can then worry about getting through the night safely once that murdering piece of shit is gone.

[miir]

Yea, so much for having a somewhat civil discussion.

[Leonaerd]

For the one complaining about this discussion not being civil, you certainly are being emotional with your irrefuteable statements that sidestep actual debate.

What is the minimum amount of mental instability required for a person to not be charged for first degree murder?

This man and the victim had never met each other, there was no premeditation.
Even if he was in control of his mental faculties, he would not have been charged with first degree murder.

[Show]

Fair enough. I anticipated your first response to my post would be something that avoided the broader point I made entirely, but you're definitely correct!

If he is a part of society in the first place, he should be held to the same laws as everybody else, mental lapses be damned.

Then I guess it's a good thing that hypocrites like you aren't in control of our legal system.

[Show]

I used to smoke pot and I download music. My small time criminal activity isn't on the same par as murder. Weak.

No amount of recovery success this guy shows while in a padded room will prove to the family (or me) that he's fit to be returned to society.

I am truly amazed that you're such a fucking expert in the field of mental illness that you can formulate a diagnosis from reading a news article that this person's mental illness is untreatable and he will never be fit to be returned to society.

Gimme a fucking break.

[Show]

You, the expert, said, "The chances of him being released, unsupervised back into the general populace are low... the chances of him re-offending are even lower."

What allows you to first say I am incapable of determining whether or not somebody is fit to return to society (especially when I never claimed to be an expert), and then proceed to declare loudly that is unlikely to reoffend? If you're an expert, as you must be in order to make such a claim, how did your sense of the value of human life become so flimsy that you care more for the rights of a man as decreed on paper by a corrupt, failing government, than you care for the family's basic need for justice?

Your argument is weak.

[Gzette]

I do not understand how you can defend someone that murdered people...no matter what the blame. Quite frankly it sickens me that you libtards actually value the lives of the victims or potential victims less than you do that poor attacker.

Why is it always the same sob story that little Jimmy was just misunderstood and was turning his life around before he killed those people...and it just could not be his fault. I really could care less if that guy was crazy, drugged up, filled with the holy spirit, space aliens shot a ray into his brain, the gubment planted a chip in his brain, or any other fucking story anyone wants to tell. You murder someone, your ass should get one speedy ticket to 8 billion volts (generated by a giant hamster wheel or some other green form of enery to satisfy you fucking idiots) coursing through their body until their flesh is toasty enough to be served with a fresh green salad and a sprig of parsley. There are another 6 billion people we can then worry about getting through the night safely once that murdering piece of shit is gone.

No one said they value the life of a killer more than the victim. It's about valuing life in general. Your code of hammurabi bullshit has no context, and makes you sound less than intelligent to say the least. This isn't even about liberal versus conservative. Your need to polarize everything is pretty ridiculous and not constructive. I can admit there are insane people that needed to die (Jeffrey Dahmer comes to mind). Some people are truly evil. Fuck it, this guy might be one ... but just strapping the guy to the chair and frying him because it will satisfy your neanderthal bloodlust is a little evil itself. you're a retard

[Spang]

I don't think Kilmoll believes in science.

[miir]

I used to smoke pot and I download music. My small time criminal activity isn't on the same par as murder. Weak.

The reason I called you a hypocrite:

This guy IS being held to the same laws as everyone else...
What you actually meant is that you think he should only be held to the laws that you happen to agree with.

That makes you a hypocrite.

If you're an expert, as you must be in order to make such a claim, how did your sense of the value of human life become so flimsy that you care more for the rights of a man as decreed on paper by a corrupt, failing government, than you care for the family's basic need for justice?

I looked up the statistics on cases like this.
The overwhelming majority of the individuals who were judged 'Not Criminally Responsible' are either still institutionalized or have only supervised interaction with society.

I'm no expert but the statistics and information is available to anyone.

[Bagar-]

I for one appreciate the fact that Funk is now making arguments that are at least somewhat objective and level-headed. No sarcasm here, by the way. I really do appreciate it. This thread has actually become somewhat interesting to read. Thank you. Again, this isn't sarcasm.


Now for my opinion:

I'm going to have to lean a bit more towards the "if you plead insanity, you shouldn't just be doped up and put back into society on a whim."

However, no one is or has suggested that this is what is going to happen. In fact, I think anyone with half a fucking brain wouldn't advocate such a thing.

Since no one really knows what will happen to the man, we can either assume the best or worst, which is what most of you are doing. Since you can't base an argument around such an ambiguous assumption, I'm not going to bother trying to predict this particular man's future. I think doing so is pointless.

However, in general cases, I do feel that someone pleading insanity should not be let back into society until it has been made very, very certain that they are not going to relapse, and even in such a scenario, I would not be comfortable with them being under anything but complete surveillance (by relatives or whomever) on a permanent basis.

I don't think he should be put to death, I don't think he should be sent to prison for his entire life. These are reactionary and simplistic solutions. But I do feel that every possible effort should be made that this person should never be in a position to harm anyone ever again, and if that DOES mean he should be locked up forever, then so be it. I think there are better ways, though. More humane ways.

You can say that it isn't the government's job to be humane, and that they should treat every murderer and killer as a murderer or killer should (Kilmoll). You can break out the liberal flames that turns every discussion on these forums into a steaming pile of dogshit, but I think it would be better to accept people's opinion as THEIR OPINION and not some blanket-generalization for an entire group of people. However as a person, regardless of my political standpoint, I feel that throwing a human life away is never the correct answer. In this situation, there is at least a chance that this man could find redemption, and as long as no member of the public is put into direct danger (read paragraph 6) I think he should be given the chance. That is what the prison system is supposed to do, you know, is redeem people. Even if he had been tried, it wouldn't have been a life sentence anyhow. Nor death penalty, if Canada has such a thing. And yes, I'm aware that the prison system doesn't actually work that way. But that is it's official task, to reform criminals. Reform being the key word.

If you don't want to see things that way, that's your choice. I think it's short-sighted and very shallow, but I'm not going to generalize you into a category to make my opinions seem more valid . Your reactionary politically motivated slights are why these forums are a fucking ghost-town, and while you can blame "the liberals" it's really every single one of you fucking idiots that throw around political stances like they define a person's opinions, and you your opinion of that person. You're just as much to blame as any of the "liberals" that you blame for running off your fuckbuddies. You guys just happened to be outnumbered, but you're still just as guilty.

[Lynks]

Even if, by some chance, he gets all better, he will still have to live with the fact that he beheaded and ate a guy. How the hell do you recover from that?

He'll be 60 years old, taking a shit and thinking to himself "Remember that time I ate that dude's heart? I'm fucked up."