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Biggest oil price drop in 17 years
Crude falls $6.45 a barrel - 2nd largest price drop in dollar terms - as Fed chief indicates inflation and high fuel prices will cut into U.S. demand for oil.
By Kenneth Musante and David Goldman, CNNMoney.com staff writers
Last Updated: July 15, 2008: 4:56 PM EDT
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Oil prices plummeted by the second-largest margin on record Tuesday as investors feared a further decline in U.S. demand after hearing comments from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke.

Light, sweet crude fell $6.44 to settle at $138.74 a barrel in trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

The drop in oil was the largest single-day slide in dollar terms since Jan. 17, 1991, when oil fell by $10.56. On that day, President George H.W. Bush withdrew oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve ahead of the first Gulf War.

But in 1991, oil was trading at just $32 a barrel, so the more than $10 slide in dollar terms represented a record 33% drop. Oil fell 4.4% Tuesday, which does not even crack the top 100 price declines in percentage terms.

On Tuesday morning, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke warned that high energy prices have helped to limit the purchasing power of U.S. households. High energy costs will remain a drag on the U.S. economy for the rest of the year, Bernanke told the Senate Banking Committee Tuesday.

That could result in businesses pushing a greater percentage of their high fuel and commodity costs through to consumers, he warned.

Immediately following Bernanke's speech, prices dropped more than $9, sinking below $136 a barrel, before recovering some.

"There's more demand destruction than people first perceived," said Neal Dingman, senior energy analyst at Dahlman Rose & Co.

Inflation: The weakened dollar, which Bernanke named as one of the reasons Americans can't spend as much, has been blamed for much of crude's runup.

Investors have been buying oil and other commodities to hedge against inflation, but that behavior may be changing as many begin to see it weighing on demand.

There's "definitely a reverse of what the rationale was even 2 to 3 weeks ago," said Peter Beutel, oil analyst with Cameron Hanover.

Federal Reserve: The Federal Reserve, which has the power to quell runaway inflation by raising a key interbank lending rate, has its hands tied, since the banks and other institutions that prop up the U.S. economy need the liquidity, according to Tom Orr, head of research at Weeden & Co.

In recent days, the government has unveiled a plan to bolster mortgage financing companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and has taken control of mortgage lender IndyMac Bank.

"They've got to keep rates as low as they can, though they really should be tightening... They know they need to tighten, but they just can't," said Orr.

"This is starting to feel like Jimmy Carter and the 1970s all over again," he added, describing a time when inflation was high due in large part to soaring energy prices.

OPEC demand: Internationally, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries mirrored Bernanke's concerns. The oil cartel lowered its demand forecast for 2008 to an increase of 1.2% from 1.28%, blaming economic strife and high fuel prices.

Concerns about lower demand even overshadowed the tight supply picture, which has been at the forefront of oil's price surge.

Brazil: The five-day strike by Brazilian oil workers in the Campos basin at 33 offshore rigs operated by state-run oil company Petrobras entered its second day, cutting into supply.

Petrobras stated that only two rigs had been totally shut down, but that production had been reduced by 4%, according to the Associated Press.

Iran: Investors also remained concerned about tensions between Iran, the second-largest exporter in OPEC, and the United States and Israel over its nuclear program.

Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad blamed high oil prices on threats from the West in an interview with state television, according to reports. However, he said that talks with the United States were possible.

Gas prices: Gasoline prices in the U.S. maintained record highs at $4.109 a gallon Tuesday, according to a daily survey from motorist group AAA.

First Published: July 15, 2008: 9:22 AM EDT

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Woot. Great news. I hope this is a trend downward instead of just a blip.
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This is like shitting on a man's face. Cleaning the shit off. Then making a thread entitled "Shit cleaned off of man's face!" Woot! Good News!!

Today I paid $4.08/gal. to fill up. I recently moved closer to work, consolidated some of my work shifts, AND bought a motorcycle to combat this insanity. Before I did these things I was driving 105 miles a day, 5 days a week, with a car that gets 20mpg. Adding in my other day to day travel I was spending over $400/month on gas, when it was at $3.50.

Now I drive 70 miles a day to work and only 4 days a week. I sometimes still have to use my car depending on the weather, but my bike gets 45mpg (actually right now my bike's in the shop for another week or so). Nonetheless, I've cut my fuel cost in half. But people with families... I just can't imagine them being able to do these things.

On a side note, if gas averages $4.00/gal, every mile I drive my bike instead of my car saves me approximately 11 cents. Which means once I have traveled 32,000 miles on my bike, it will have paid for itself with the money it saved me in gas. Furthermore, as the price of gas continues to increase, the number of miles I need to get out of my bike for it to pay for itself reduces. At $5/gal, I only need 25k miles and so on. I've actually been thinking about buying another motorcycle that gets better gas mileage. Some bikes out there get 65+ mpg. The beauty is I paid for my bike with money I won from an online poker tournament.

Anyway, if the increase in the price of fuel continues to skyrocket, it will reach a point where I eventually actually get paid to drive my bike! Also, it will strongly discourage consumption and encourage the search for and the use of alternative energy, which in turn helps the environment. For these reasons I support the continued increase in fuel prices. I also hope that Obama taxes the living shit out of the windfall profits of these oil companies and uses the money to create American jobs in alternative energy fields.
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Xyun wrote:This is like shitting on a man's face. Cleaning the shit off. Then making a thread entitled "Shit cleaned off of man's face!" Woot! Good News!!
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Xyun wrote:Now I drive 70 miles a day to work
Holy hell, Xy. Why?! Are you working in Orlando?
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ouch, sometimes I think my 3-4 mile commute is too long!
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Daily changes in the price of oil really should have no immediate effect on the price you pay at the pump.
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Xyun wrote:I also hope that Obama taxes the living shit out of the windfall profits of these oil companies and uses the money to create American jobs in alternative energy fields.
Not all oil companies are evil. Some of them are using this increase in profits to invest in alternative energy. Conoco Phillips just announced a new R&D effort in Colorado that will create 7,000 jobs.
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You can create jobs and still be evil. Satan for example has millions of demons working for him but that doesn't make him a nice entity.
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True. But still, not all oil companies are evil. Conoco Phillips happens to be evil, but at least they are diversifying and creating jobs.
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As the article points out, a price drop in raw dollars is pretty meaningless. Call me when oil prices drop 33% in a day and I'll get excited.
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It's okay to take a minor example of something bad and turn it into something drastic and important, but something good....no. Gotcha.
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miir wrote:Daily changes in the price of oil really should have no immediate effect on the price you pay at the pump.
But they do. Well, when they go up anyway.
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Fairweather Pure wrote:
miir wrote:Daily changes in the price of oil really should have no immediate effect on the price you pay at the pump.
But they do. Well, when they go up anyway.
Haha, no shit.
Did your price for gas drop 20 cents a gallon yesterday?
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It went up .18 in my area yesterday, topping out at around 4.25.
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Stayed the same thus far at 3.99
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Boogahz wrote:ouch, sometimes I think my 3-4 mile commute is too long!
my 1000 foot commute is terrible when it's 120 out
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*~*stragi*~* wrote:
Boogahz wrote:ouch, sometimes I think my 3-4 mile commute is too long!
my 1000 foot commute is terrible when it's 120 out
My commute is only 10 feet. Take that.
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Xouqoa wrote:
*~*stragi*~* wrote:
Boogahz wrote:ouch, sometimes I think my 3-4 mile commute is too long!
my 1000 foot commute is terrible when it's 120 out
My commute is only 10 feet. Take that.
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This is like shitting on a man's face. Cleaning the shit off. Then making a thread entitled "Shit cleaned off of man's face!" Woot! Good News!!
Yup, that pretty much sums up the pump situation. :)
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Oil's 2-day decline: more than $10 a barrel
Crude futures close down over $4 a barrel after a surprise growth in crude and gasoline stockpiles hints at the impact of high prices on usage.
By Kenneth Musante, CNNMoney.com staff writer
Last Updated: July 16, 2008: 3:24 PM EDT
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Oil prices plummeted Wednesday, bringing the two-day selloff to $10.58 a barrel, on reports indicating that demand for oil and gas may slacken in the future.

The government's weekly inventory report suggested that record high gasoline prices may be reducing the nation's energy consumption, and OPEC released a report on Tuesday indicating that global demand for 2009 would be less than it was in 2008.

Light sweet crude oil for August delivery settled down $4.14 to close at $134.60 a barrel on Wednesday on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

Wednesday's drop followed a $6.44 plunge Tuesday that was the second largest decline ever on a dollar basis.

Government supply report: The government's weekly stockpile report showed that crude supplies rose by 3 million barrels in the week ended July 11. Analysts were looking for a drop of 3 million barrels according to a poll by energy research firm Platts.

Gasoline supplies rose by 2.4 million barrels, rather than the 1.1 million decline analysts expected.

Distillates, used to make diesel fuel, jet fuel and heating oil, rose by 3.2 million barrels. Analysts were looking for an increase of only 1.7 million barrels.

"That, coupled with the general malaise that's out there with the economic outlook, sets us up with a potential cracking of these oil prices," said John Kilduff, energy analyst with MF Global.

Bernanke: The two-day oil selloff follows the gloomy economic picture being painted by Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke in his Congressional testimony.

On Tuesday, Bernanke told the Senate Banking Committee that high energy prices and slower economic growth have limited ability of U.S. households to purchase fuel and other necessities.

Bernanke also appeared Wednesday before the House Financial Services Committee, saying that inflation was "likely to move temporarily higher in the near term."

The price of gasoline and diesel fuel in the United States touched new records Wednesday, according to a daily survey from motorist group AAA. Gasoline is more than 35% more expensive than last year.

"The weaker economic outlook, the inventory build, all contribute," said Amanda Kurzendoerfer, commodities analyst with Summit Energy. However she warned that long-term investors may see the price decline as a buying opportunity.

"The one thing we can be sure of is that we're looking at a lot of volatility going forward," she said.

OPEC, Brazil: The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, which supplies about 40% of the world's oil, cut its demand forecast for 2009 Tuesday to an increase of 900,000 barrels a day, 100,000 barrels less than 2008.

There were also reports that production in Brazil had not been hurt as much as originally feared by a labor strike in the Campos Basin, which supplies about 80% of the country's oil, and tensions eased with Iran, the second largest producing member of OPEC.

State-owned oil company Petroleo Brasileiro SA said production had not been affected by the ongoing strike at 33 offshore platforms that began on Monday.

First Published: July 16, 2008: 9:31 AM EDT

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Bush Says Drill, Drill, Drill — And Oil Drops $9!
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| 15 Jul 2008 | 01:45 PM ET
In a dramatic move yesterday President Bush removed the executive-branch moratorium on offshore drilling. Today, at a news conference, Bush repeated his new position, and slammed the Democratic Congress for not removing the congressional moratorium on the Outer Continental Shelf and elsewhere. Crude-oil futures for August delivery plunged $9.26, or 6.3 percent, almost immediately as Bush was speaking, bringing the barrel price down to $136.

Now isn’t this interesting?

Democrats keep saying that it will take 10 years or longer to produce oil from the offshore areas. And they say that oil prices won’t decline for at least that long. And they, along with Obama and McCain, bash so-called oil speculators. And today we had a real-world example as to why they are wrong. All of them. Reid, Pelosi, Obama, McCain — all of them.

Traders took a look at a feisty and aggressive George Bush and started selling the market well before a single new drop of oil has been lifted. What does this tell us? Well, if Congress moves to seal the deal, oil prices will probably keep on falling. That’s the way traders work. They discount the future. Psychology and expectations can turn on a dime.


The congressional ban on offshore drilling expires September 30, so that becomes a key date. A new report from Wall Street research house Sanford C. Bernstein says that California actually could start producing new oil within one year if the moratorium were lifted. The California oil is under shallow water and already has been explored. Drilling platforms have been in place since before the moratorium. They’re talking about 10 billion barrels worth off the coast of California.

There’s also a “gang of 10” in the Senate, five Republicans and five Democrats, that is trying to work a compromise deal on lifting the moratorium. So it’s possible a lot of action on this front could occur much sooner than people seem to think.

So I repeat: Drill, drill, drill. Deregulate, decontrol, and unleash the American energy industry. Those hated traders will then keep selling oil as the laws of supply and demand and free markets keep working.

Bravo for Bush. Bravo for the traders.

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Xouqoa wrote:
*~*stragi*~* wrote:
Boogahz wrote:ouch, sometimes I think my 3-4 mile commute is too long!
my 1000 foot commute is terrible when it's 120 out
My commute is only 10 feet. Take that.
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Truant wrote:
Xouqoa wrote:
*~*stragi*~* wrote:
Boogahz wrote:ouch, sometimes I think my 3-4 mile commute is too long!
my 1000 foot commute is terrible when it's 120 out
My commute is only 10 feet. Take that.
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laneela wrote:
Xyun wrote:Now I drive 70 miles a day to work
Holy hell, Xy. Why?! Are you working in Orlando?
70 miles is both there and back. It's actually around 35 miles away in Sarasota. I moved to 6177 Sun Blvd., 33715, if you care to see on google maps! ha.
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laneela wrote:I'm so going to stalk you.
Get in line, babe. haha. I only posted that so you could see the awesome island i live on. 8)
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I guarantee you that Bush wanting to get rid of the ban on offshore drilling has had minimal (if any) effect on the price of oil.
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There is a part of the offshore argument that makes no sense to me. People comment on how starting to drill now will not actually add to the supply for 5-10 years. I understand the reason for this, but wouldn't it be available a year or two earlier than if we wait one or two more years to start? Also, I believe that Bush removing the Executive ban was a way to back up his earlier comments that he would remove the Executive if the Legislative ban was removed. I agree that it probably had little, if anything, to do with the price of oil dropping that much.
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miir wrote:I guarantee you that Bush wanting to get rid of the ban on offshore drilling has had minimal (if any) effect on the price of oil.
Yeah, I wasn't sure if I was reading that wrong, but the two articles Midnyte posted seem to be a bit contradictory, unless I'm misunderstanding the timeline. The one says that supply is way above forecasts and demand is lessening, and that oil prices are dropping as a result. The other says that bush saying "drill, drill, drill" is dropping the prices. I realize that traders "discount the future", but I think that the immediate change in supply and demand is much more the cause than the potential that the US will be able to begin offshore drilling.
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Increased surplus and decreased demand are the reasons.
The guys buying and selling power generally don't get their tips from right-wing pundit-economists who write for CNBC. :lol:
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Oil tumbles moret than $4 as price supports fade

Jul 22 12:37 PM US/Eastern
By ADAM SCHRECK
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NEW YORK (AP) - Oil prices tumbled more than $4 a barrel Tuesday as Tropical Storm Dolly grew increasingly unlikely to threaten supply, knocking out one more reason traders had to prop up prices.
The sell-off, which came as the existing futures contract was set to expire, was a throwback to last week's sharp declines and dragged crude to its lowest level since early June.

Comments by the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia helped strengthen the dollar considerably, giving traders even less reason to bet that crude will challenge record highs again any time soon.

Light, sweet crude for August delivery fell $4.56 to $126.48 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Earlier, the contract dropped as low as $125.63.

The declines offered further evidence that investors who only a week and a half ago drove prices to a new high above $147 a barrel are now quickly pulling money out of the market. There are also indications that the price of oil is killing demand, especially in the U.S., which consumes far more oil than any other country.

"This is more of the long exit from the market by the hedge funds," said Jim Ritterbusch, president of energy consultancy Ritterbusch and Associates. "A lot of these investors who have been supporting prices are hitting the road."

Oil prices rose Monday as Tropical Storm Dolly bore down on oil and gas installations in the Gulf of Mexico, but that did little to dent the steep declines left over from last week's sell-off.

Forecasters at the National Hurricane Center in Miami say Dolly is likely to become a hurricane, but they do not expect it to become a major hurricane.

"Most people I knew were looking for a stronger price rally," Ritterbusch said. "When we can't muster up much steam," he added, large investors dump bets that prices will rise because they sense there is little support for sustained gains.

By morning in the U.S., the storm's center was about 265 miles southeast of Brownsville, Texas. It was moving west-northwest at around 13 mph, with winds expected to strengthen Tuesday to hurricane force.

"Unless new projections put the storm on a more northerly track, it is unlikely to have a bullish impact on oil and natural gas prices," Addison Armstrong, director of market research at Tradition Energy, said in a morning research note.

Meanwhile, the dollar rose sharply against the euro after Charles Plosser, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia and a voting member of the Fed's Open Market Committee, said the central bank will probably need to boost interest rates "sooner rather than later."

Higher interest rates could help prop up the slumping dollar. The currency's decline has been a major factor in oil's ascent, as investors bought dollar-denominated crude contracts as a hedge against inflation and a weakening greenback. When the dollar strengthens, such currency-related buying often unwinds.

Other energy commodities followed crude in heading sharply lower.

Natural gas fell below $10 per 1,000 cubic feet for the first time since April—more evidence that hurricane concerns are rapidly dissipating despite Royal Dutch Shell's weekend decision to evacuate workers from rigs in the western part of the Gulf.

"You know gas bulls have a problem when precautionary evacuations in the (Gulf) cannot even excite any bullish momentum," analyst and trader Stephen Schork said.

Prices for the power generation and cooking fuel dropped to $10.032 per 1,000 cubic feet, down 47.8 cents. Earlier, natural gas dipped as low as $9.889.

Natural gas has plummeted since early July, when it reached its highest point in more than two years following a sharp run-up fueled by expectations of strong summer demand.

"We're not getting a real hot summer as some had forecast," reducing the need for gas-fired electricity to power air conditioning, Ritterbusch said. "Natural gas had a much larger rally than crude this year. Now we're seeing a much larger decline."

Oil's decline is easing the pressure on drivers. Retail gas prices continue to fall away, with the cost for a gallon of gas falling more than a penny overnight to $4.055, according to AAA, the Oil Price Information Service and Wright Express.

It is the first time since January that gas has fallen for two consecutive weeks, Schork said. Still, a gallon of gas still costs 30 percent more than it did last year, or more than 80 cents, he said.

In other Nymex trading, heating oil sank 8.28 cents to $3.6651 per gallon, while gasoline futures tumbled 10.68 cents to $3.1103 per gallon.

In London, September Brent fell $4.06 to $128.55 a barrel on the ICE Futures exchange.
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It's kind of fun to watch this on a local level. There have been a lot of psised off officials in the county I work in yelling furiously over their budgets going way over because of gas prices. It is particularly funny to see these folks, traditional republicans, suddenly start touting environmentalism. Some solutions have been funny and creative. Cops will no longer leave their cars on when they think they'll be out of the car for longer than 2 mins and govn't construction crews nwo have 4 day work weeks as oppose to 5, ecause it apparently takes a lot of gas to fire up those massive machines. 10 hour days for them though :( hose are just the examples that come to mind.

I hope those OPEC assholes are shitting themselves at seeing American consumption actually go down for once. And for those commodity futures investors who drove the prices to these outlandish levels, I hope they choke to death on that medium rare filet mignon.
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but we're in the most Democratic county in the state...or did you move out of SE Austin?
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I have crossed in NW Austin, just across the Williamson County border. ugh

I hated to do it, but it saves me an hour of driving each day.

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yeah, WilCo is MUCH worse than Travis County! They don't joke with their "zero tolerance" crap.
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Keep it coming Canada!

All of that oil and Canada pays more per gallon of gas than in the U.S.
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The disparity in gasoline prices between Canada and the USA can be directly attributed to taxes.


The price per liter in Toronto was (last time I bought gas) around $1.25.
That works out to around $4.75 a gallon.

In the US, average price per gallon was around $4.15 last week.
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miir wrote: In the US, average price per gallon was around $4.15 last week.
It was? CNN told me the average last week was between $3.96 and $3.99. I paid $3.83. The highest that the average reached, according to that link, was $4.11 on July 16th before dropping again.
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miir wrote:The disparity in gasoline prices between Canada and the USA can be directly attributed to taxes.


The price per liter in Toronto was (last time I bought gas) around $1.25.
That works out to around $4.75 a gallon.

In the US, average price per gallon was around $4.15 last week.

I don't give a shit why your price per gallon is higher. It is. Is it OK if it's $10/gallon as long as half goes to the government? I think not. If you have that much oil, the government should be able to rape you with taxes and still keep the price cheap. Lack of refineries?

Why not raise the price of the oil you're exporting to the U.S.? You know why. :vv_boxing:
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miir wrote: In the US, average price per gallon was around $4.15 last week.
It was? CNN told me the average last week was between $3.96 and $3.99. I paid $3.83. The highest that the average reached, according to that link, was $4.11 on July 16th before dropping again.
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Oil falls as low as $118 on demand concerns
Tuesday August 5, 11:43 am ET
By Stevenson Jacobs, AP Busines Writer
Oil prices decline as low as $118 on concerns that US slowdown is hurting fuel demand

NEW YORK (AP) -- Oil prices kept falling Tuesday, sinking as low as $118 a barrel on growing concerns that a U.S. economic slowdown and high energy costs are curbing consumer demand for gasoline and other petroleum products.
Crude's decline is giving Americans more relief at the pump. A gallon of regular gasoline on average fell another penny overnight to $3.871, according to auto club AAA, the Oil Price Information Service and Wright Express. Gas prices have fallen four straight weeks for the first time in December; prices are off 5.9 percent from their July high as U.S. motorists cut back on their driving to save money.

A day after plunging as much as $5 a barrel in a dramatic sell-off, crude continued its downward trend Tuesday as traders sold oil contracts on the belief that prices are still too high in relation to demand and have further room to fall.

Light, sweet crude for September delivery lost $1.86 to trade at $119.55 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange, after earlier falling to $118, the lowest level since May 5.

Crude has now fallen more than $25 since reaching a trading high of $147.27 on July 11.

"The market psychology has finally shifted," said Stephen Schork, an analyst and trader in Villanova, Pa., adding that "$4-a-gallon gasoline has clearly killed demand."

On Monday, the Commerce Department said consumer spending after adjusting for inflation fell 0.2 percent in June -- the biggest drop since February -- as shoppers dealt with higher prices for gasoline, food and other items. Oil prices also fell after Tropical Storm Edouard did not severely disrupt oil and natural gas output in the Gulf of Mexico.

The dollar's gains against the euro also contributed to oil's decline Tuesday. The euro fell to $1.5467 from the $1.5587 it bought late in New York trading Monday, making oil and other commodities less attractive to investors seeking a hedge against inflation and dollar weakness.

Meanwhile, investors ignored continued tension over Iran's nuclear program. Representatives of the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council and Germany agreed Monday to seek new sanctions against Iran after the country failed to meet a weekend deadline to respond to an offer intended to defuse the dispute, State Department spokesman Gonzalo Gallegos said.

Also Monday, Iran announced that it has tested a new weapon capable of sinking ships nearly 200 miles away, and Tehran reiterated threats to close a strategic waterway at the mouth of the Gulf if attacked. Up to 40 percent of the world's oil passes through the Strait of Hormuz, a narrow passage along Iran's southern coast, and any move by Iran to close it to tanker traffic would send oil prices skyrocketing.

In other Nymex trading, heating oil futures fell 3.55 cents to $3.3146 a gallon, while gasoline prices dropped 4.67 cents to $2.9535 a gallon. In London, September Brent crude was down $2.48 to $118.20 a barrel on the ICE Futures exchange.

Natural gas futures rose 9.9 cents to $8.825 per 1,000 cubic feet. On Monday, natural gas plunged 66.3 cents, or 7 percent, to $8.726 per 1,000 cubic feet, its lowest level in nearly six months. Prices have closed lower in eight of the last 11 sessions and have dropped 36 percent from the contract's all-time trading high of $13.752, reached July 2.

The pullback is double the size of crude's recent slide. That has fed speculation on Wall Street that a large hedge fund or something like it may be near collapse and has dumped a vast amount of natural gas contracts to free up cash. Last month, SemGroup LP, based in Tulsa, Okla., folded after losing $2.4 billion in bad bets on oil futures. SemGroup's collapse came amid a massive sell off in the oil market.

"Anytime you get that kind of violent price action in a short amount of time, it reeks of someone big being in trouble," Schork said.

Associated Press writers Pablo Gorondi in Budapest, Hungary and Alex Kennedy in Singapore contributed to this report.
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Pelosi: At-risk Dems back drilling
By: Martin Kady II and Patrick O'Connor
August 5, 2008 07:44 AM EST

California Democrat Nancy Pelosi may be trying to save the planet — but the rank and file in her party increasingly are just trying to save their political hides when it comes to gas prices as Republicans apply more and more rhetorical muscle.

But what looks like intraparty tension on the surface is part of an intentional strategy in which Pelosi takes the heat on energy policy, while behind the scenes she’s encouraging vulnerable Democrats to express their independence if it helps them politically, according to Democratic aides on and off Capitol Hill.

Pelosi’s gambit rests on one big assumption: that Democrats will own Washington after the election and will be able to craft a sweeping energy policy that is heavy on conservation and fuel alternatives while allowing for some new oil drilling. Democrats see no need to make major concessions on energy policy with a party poised to lose seats in both chambers in just three months — even if recess-averse Republicans continue to pound away on the issue.

“The reality is we will have a new president in three months, and what Bush and the Republicans are trying to do amounts to a land grab for the oil companies,” said one senior House Democratic aide involved with party strategy. “I don’t think we have to give in at all pre-election — we have many more options postelection.”

It’s a reality that Rep. Nick J. Rahall (D-W.Va.) personally delivered to President Bush recently.

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Rahall spent more than an hour last week talking to the president about energy. Bush spent the entire flight aboard Air Force One, and much of a subsequent limousine ride, grilling the West Virginia Democrat about legislative solutions to the high price of gasoline, Rahall said last week.

So, does the president think Congress can get anything done this year?

“No,” Rahall replied in a short interview with Politico. “He’s realistic about it.”

Asked if Congress will produce a comprehensive energy bill in September before Congress adjourns again for elections, Rahall replied, “This year? No.”

Instead, the chairman of the House Committee on Natural Resources believes Democrats are all about 2009.

“We’ve laid the groundwork this year,” Rahall said.

Democratic House aides say the energy agenda has been carefully gamed out in strategy sessions, and Pelosi always intended to take heat on gas prices while tacitly encouraging more vulnerable Democrats to publicly disagree with her and show their independence.

Freshman Democrats like Jason Altmire of Pennsylvania and Don Cazayoux of Louisiana have taken her up on the offer.

Altmire has said a drilling vote “will happen,” while Cazayoux, hoping to hang on to his seat in a conservative Baton Rouge-area district, on Friday sent a letter to Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) demanding a vote on more domestic oil exploration.

“There will be a vote,” said Altmire, who faces a rematch with former GOP Rep. Melissa Hart this fall in the Pittsburgh suburbs.

Indeed, Congress must vote before Sept. 30 to renew the annual moratorium; otherwise, it will lapse on its own, giving states the right to decide whether private companies can search for potential drilling sites three miles offshore. .




“My view is that if we have a vote, let’s make it a rational policy,” said Altmire, whose district includes viable coal and nuclear industries. “We can’t let Republicans hold this issue hostage because of one vote.”

Cazayoux, in his letter, says “the current debate seems to be bogged down in partisan one-upmanship.”

To some extent, House Republicans seem to be playing right along with the strategy, taking Pelosi’s name in vain dozens of times during their rebel House sessions over the past few days and making her the villain who won’t allow oil drilling votes.

“It’s grossly unfair to the Democrats who want a vote,” said Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas). “[Pelosi] needs to cut that out.”

The Senate has also gone with a run-out-the-clock strategy, with Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) calling for a bipartisan energy summit but promising no major energy votes. Reid embraced the drilling and conservation proposals of the bipartisan Senate “Gang of 10” last week, but he made further commitment on the energy debate.

Reid, like Pelosi, is expecting to have a much stronger governing majority in the Senate next year, so he has little incentive to give in to Republicans on energy policy as long as he thinks it won’t hurt Democrats.

Even as they face heat from constituents during the August break, Democrats say they aren’t going to cave in to popular pressure.

“We feel pretty comfortable with where we are,” said Rep. Michael E. Capuano (D-Mass.), who is close to the Democratic leadership. “This is a not a new issue. This just didn’t happen today. We’ve been working on this for months.”

Democratic insiders said that Pelosi and other party leaders were “not rattled” by the GOP floor rebellion, and at this point, it’s not clear if the Democrats will even pay a price on energy. State-level polling conducted by Democrats suggests that voters still view President Bush and the GOP as the incumbent power in Washington, and Democratic strategists believe any anti-incumbent wave would hurt Republicans more than Democrats.

Rep. Jeb Hensarling of Texas, one of the leaders of the rogue GOP House session, said he realizes that Democrats are “in a four-corners stall right now,” and admits that “it gets more challenging” for Republicans if they lose more seats in Congress.

Democrats are also comforted somewhat by the fact that crude oil prices have gone down more than 10 percent from their summer highs, and if the U.S. economy enters a recession, prices may fall further due to slackening demand.

“There is no crisis on our side of the aisle,” a top House Democratic leadership aide said. “We have a plan, and we will stick to it.”

John Bresnahan and Daniel Reilly contributed to this story
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This is like shitting on a man's face. Cleaning the shit off. Then making a thread entitled "Shit cleaned off of man's face!" Woot! Good News!!
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$3.72 this morning :)
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$3.49 here
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Ashur wrote:$3.49 here
Still $3.84 here this morning. But at least I don't live in Ohio! :p
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Some predictions from the price per gallon thread:

http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/view ... =1&t=22742

May 2008"
Fairweather Pure wrote:We're using the Price is Right rules here. Whoever guesses the closest without going over wins the right to brag on this board that they were right about something no one really cares about. We're talking price per gallon of unleaded regular gasoline.




I predict gas will hit a high of at least $6.25 by the end of the year.
Winnow wrote:No chance in hell gas goes over $6/gallon this year.

My guess is It will top out around $4.50
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Fairweather Pure wrote:It's been almost a month since we've seen a new high, but today we have a .04 increase, bringing the new average to $4.66.

Gas prices have slowed down a bit, but I'm sensing another upturn soon. $6.25, here we come!
Winnow wrote:Gas prices typically drop after the 4th of July weekend so it might be awhile before they increase. I'm betting they drop some more.
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