Democrats Are Weighing More Tax Rebates, Pelosi Says

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Democrats Are Weighing More Tax Rebates, Pelosi Says

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Democrats Are Weighing More Tax Rebates, Pelosi Says (Update2)

By Laura Litvan

July 15 (Bloomberg) -- House Democrats, concerned that rising energy prices will erase the benefit of the tax rebates sent to more than 100 million households this year, said they are weighing plans for a second economic stimulus proposal.

``We will be proceeding with another stimulus package, and we once again hope we will work in a bipartisan way,'' House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said after House Democratic leaders met with a group of economists to discuss the spreading housing crisis and rising gas prices.

Pelosi and other House Democrats said a second stimulus package would probably include more spending for roads and other infrastructure, expanded unemployment benefits, home-heating assistance for low-income families and some aid for states struggling with budget deficits.

Plans for the stimulus legislation are taking shape as Democrats are also racing to approve the Bush administration's proposed rescue plan for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac by early next week.

Bush said today he would prefer to wait to see how the $168 billion economic stimulus measure passed in February affects the economy. ``We're always open minded to things, but we'll see how this one works,'' Bush said.

His wait-and-see approach got a boost from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke, who testified to the Senate Banking Committee.

`The First Round'

``On a second stimulus package, my own sense is that we are still trying to assess the effects of the first round,'' Bernanke told the Senate Banking Committee today. ``It appears that it does seem to be helping, but it might be yet a bit more time before we fully understand the extent to which additional stimulus may or may not be needed.''

Bernanke said any added stimulus should have an immediate effect on the economy rather than result in extended spending or tax policies.

Rebate checks, with up to $600 for individuals, are being sent to 111 million households as part of the earlier stimulus package.

Offering the rebates boosts Democratic efforts to showcase their economic credentials in an election. Still, it won't be clear until after a monthlong August recess whether enough Republicans will join with Democrats to actually clear stimulus legislation, said Charles Gabriel, managing director of Capital Alpha Partners.

`Smart Politics'

``It's smart politics, mostly politics,'' Gabriel said in an interview. ``We won't know until after the August recess whether it gains traction.''

Alan Blinder, a former vice chairman of the Federal Reserve and a Princeton University economist who attended the meeting with the Democrats, said that the impact of the earlier round of tax rebates has been ``swallowed up'' by rising energy prices.

Former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, who also attended the meeting, said the federal government is ``in much more danger of responding inefficiently than in responding excessively.''

Alan Sinai, chief global economist at Decision Economics Inc., said the U.S. economy ``is in a recession that is probably getting worse.''

To contact the reporter on this story: Laura Litvan in Washington at llitvan@bloomberg.net

Last Updated: July 15, 2008 16:57 EDT
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Dems called Bush an idiot for doing the very same thing months ago. Strange. Makes one wonder if the things these politicians say are not meant, but are designed to rally a base of voters and sway them to or against a person or party.
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Dems called Bush an idiot for doing the very same thing months ago.
I don't recall that.
You have any links to back that up?
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Guess again, Midnyte. 95% of house Democrats and 90% of senate Democrats voted for the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008. Republicans voted against the measure in larger numbers.

House: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2008-25
Senate: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2008-10
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So you're saying that Mid is actually full of shit?
I'm shocked.
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Midnyte will now vanish from this thread, having been proven completely and irrefutably wrong.
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So 33% of the Republicans in senate voted against it.. and um... 0% of the democrats in senate voted against it.


So Mid.. isn't that kinda the exact opposite of what you were trying to say?
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I really want to hear what Mid has to say about this.
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He's going to come in and say he didn't know that and that he is the bigger man for admitting he was wrong.
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Looks like I was basing my recollection on what the dems on this board said about it.

I was wrong. My bad.

I do however get a chuckle from how giddy you get when I make an error. I am human. I make mistakes on a daily basis in every aspect of my life. I don't presume I'll ever achieve perfection. I will try to get there, but I know I never will. I'm glad I was able to make your night by being wrong. Unfortunately for you, I have no problem admitting when I have made an error.
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Lynks wrote:He's going to come in and say he didn't know that and that he is the bigger man for admitting he was wrong.
Close. But, I don't think I'm bigger than any one else.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Unfortunately for you, I have no problem admitting when I have made an error.
Sure seems like it here in this sentence.
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None of this stimulates me.
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Lynks wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Unfortunately for you, I have no problem admitting when I have made an error.
Sure seems like it here in this sentence.
Not at all. I'm speaking of only myself and my ability to admit when I am wrong. I said nothing about any one else ability to do so. Just enjoy me being wrong like the rest. Why must you continue to attack me beyond that? Sheesh
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When Bush's plan was originally announced, the Dems generally scoffed at it as they were already planning their own. I believe they actually helped to make the tax rebate amount per person/couple larger than what Bush had originally proposed. I could swear that I remembered CNN reporting on them wanting more bundled into the original rebates specifically for Veterans as well. So, they were not necessarilly calling Bush an idiot, but they just did not like the way his plan was set up.
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Boogahz wrote:When Bush's plan was originally announced, the Dems generally scoffed at it as they were already planning their own. I believe they actually helped to make the tax rebate amount per person/couple larger than what Bush had originally proposed. I could swear that I remembered CNN reporting on them wanting more bundled into the original rebates specifically for Veterans as well. So, they were not necessarilly calling Bush an idiot, but they just did not like the way his plan was set up.
Ahh okay. I thought there was something to it. Thanks Boog.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Lynks wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Unfortunately for you, I have no problem admitting when I have made an error.
Sure seems like it here in this sentence.
Not at all. I'm speaking of only myself and my ability to admit when I am wrong. I said nothing about any one else ability to do so. Just enjoy me being wrong like the rest. Why must you continue to attack me beyond that? Sheesh
Sure you did. Right when you said "Unfortunately for you". You just said that he can't admit that he was wrong.
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Lynks wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Lynks wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Unfortunately for you, I have no problem admitting when I have made an error.
Sure seems like it here in this sentence.
Not at all. I'm speaking of only myself and my ability to admit when I am wrong. I said nothing about any one else ability to do so. Just enjoy me being wrong like the rest. Why must you continue to attack me beyond that? Sheesh
Sure you did. Right when you said "Unfortunately for you". You just said that he can't admit that he was wrong.
Nope. That was directed at the folks who wanted to revel in my being wrong and thinking I wouldn't come here and respond. Now might be a good time for you to stop and admit you're wrong :)
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I think you're grossly overestimating the amount of reveling going on. Celebrating you being wrong yet again would be like getting all worked up because the Sun rose in the east again.
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Sorry, but that's not what you said. You can try to spin it any way you want, but bottom line is, you claimed that, unlike you, he can't admit when he is wrong. That's what you said.

I'll break it down for you.

Unfortunately for you (You can't), I have no problem admitting when I have made an error (admit you made an error).

Put them together... You can't admit you made an error.

Keep spinning it all you want. You are wrong again.
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Lynks wrote:Sorry, but that's not what you said. You can try to spin it any way you want, but bottom line is, you claimed that, unlike you, he can't admit when he is wrong. That's what you said.

I'll break it down for you.

Unfortunately for you (You can't), I have no problem admitting when I have made an error (admit you made an error).

Put them together... You can't admit you made an error.

Keep spinning it all you want. You are wrong again.
Haha. You are exactly what I hate most about liberals. You think you know what I meant more so than I do. I've told you what I meant, yet you think you know better. You would be the one spinning my words to make them say what you want them to say. What an asshole you are. Good night.
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What you meant was different from what you said (typed).
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Lynks wrote:What you meant was different from what you said (typed).
Nope. You're still wrong. You're still unable to admit it. If I typed, "un-like you..." then you'd be right. However, I did not type that and you are wrong.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Lynks wrote:Sorry, but that's not what you said. You can try to spin it any way you want, but bottom line is, you claimed that, unlike you, he can't admit when he is wrong. That's what you said.

I'll break it down for you.

Unfortunately for you (You can't), I have no problem admitting when I have made an error (admit you made an error).

Put them together... You can't admit you made an error.

Keep spinning it all you want. You are wrong again.
Haha. You are exactly what I hate most about liberals people. You think you know what I meant more so than I do. I've told you what I meant, yet you think you know better. You would be the one spinning my words to make them say what you want them to say. What an asshole you are. Good night.
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Your sentence can be interpreted in both those senses.
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Lynks wrote:Your sentence can be interpreted in both those senses.
Especially, as this thread clearly shows, if you're trying hard to find the negative in someones words. Have a good night Lynks.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: Especially, as this thread clearly shows, if you're trying hard to find the negative in someones words. Have a good night Lynks.
if you're trying hard to find the negative in someones words. Have a good night Lynks
negative in someones words. Have a good night
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Lynks wrote:Sorry, but that's not what you said. You can try to spin it any way you want, but bottom line is, you claimed that, unlike you, he can't admit when he is wrong. That's what you said.

I'll break it down for you.

Unfortunately for you (You can't), I have no problem admitting when I have made an error (admit you made an error).

Put them together... You can't admit you made an error.

Keep spinning it all you want. You are wrong again.
How does 'unfortunately for you' become 'you cant' ?

I see 'I have' which tells me he is speaking about himself, and I don't see how whether or not he can has any affect on someone else.

In context, it doesn't even make much sense to say 'hey i can admit my faults, and that fact is unfortunate to you' but anyways 8)
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Wow. I don't think I've seen a thread become so dumb so fast.

Well I take that back considering the poster. It had no choice but to start off dumb.
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Aslanna wrote:Wow. I don't think I've seen a thread become so dumb so fast.

Well I take that back considering the poster. It had no choice but to start off dumb.
I blame both of them. I figured Lynks knew better than to continue goading a troll :( You need to change your name now, so my EQ1 bard stops getting your cyber tells!
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Sorry dudes 8)
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