Obama: “Make sure your child can speak Spanish”

Spang · Post by **Spang** » July 9, 2008, 10:41 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:You narrow minded SOBs really need to broaden your perspective on things.

How about broadening our minds and learning some useful shit; like a second language maybe!

I think educating our children is a great idea. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Truant · Post by **Truant** » July 10, 2008, 5:19 am

I know that in my school district (a really good one at the time), a second language wasn't an option until high school levels...and was optional at that point.

Post by **Sylvus** » July 10, 2008, 11:10 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
You know, it’s embarrassing … when Europeans come over here, they all speak English, they speak French, they speak German. And then we go over to Europe, and all we can say is “Merci beaucoup.” Right?
Is it really? To whom? To those elitist fucks who presume they know everything. To those who think we need to apologize for everything? For those fucks whot hink we need to apologize for slavery of which we had nothing to do with? For those fucks who think we need to apologize if we work hard and make $250,00/year....we should feel guilty?

What are you even talking about? Do you really not understand what he is saying is embarrassing? I'll give you a hint, it's not anything that you mention in that insane raving.

It's embarrassing that just about any European that comes to America (or another European country) can speak English (or one of the languages spoken in said European country), while the vast majority of Americans traveling abroad can only speak English. Embarrassing from a "we're the greatest country in the world" perspective. If you think that's elitist, you're setting the bar a bit too low. Where slavery and high-income come into that, I'll never know.

For someone decrying the tendency for people to make reasonable assumptions based on the information provided in the Vigilante Justice thread you certainly are making some ambitious leaps of logic based on Obama's comments that you took out of context. I'm pretty sure there's a word for that...

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » July 10, 2008, 11:31 am

Boogahz wrote:I don't remember my options, but I know what I chose...

2 years of Spanish in jr high
3 years of German in high school

I had 3 years of spanish in high school but it was the same format. Only 2 years in high school of the select language was required though.

In the school district my daughter will go to, they start just spanish in 2nd grade, branch to include french and german in 5th grade and expands further once in 9th grade. As it stands, I decided to learn french at the beginning of this year (all three levels from rosetta stone) and enjoy speaking to her in french. She's 2 1/2
and can count to ten, stop when I tell her, up/down open/close fast/slow, run, swim, walk, and most clothing. She doesn't even know it's another language at this age. It's been proven that learning a second language early on is not only the most effective way to learn it, it actually makes you a better english student.

So don't learn another language, my girl will have less competition when she's old enough to go to college and subsequently get a job.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 10, 2008, 12:07 pm

It also makes subsequent languages much easier, even those w/o common roots.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 10, 2008, 12:10 pm

When I was in school down in Florida a second language was required for graduation. I started on Spanish. I then moved to Michigan not that long after and they didn't have any such requirement so I didn't take it. Personally I wouldn't mind the requirement of a second language at a young age. Definitely before high school. Spanish would seem the obvious choice but could also leave it up to the parents.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » July 10, 2008, 1:18 pm

I had an option of Fench, Spanish and Latin in HS. It was great to have to learn a different language, but I wish they would have gone for a more realistic approach aside from the straight-text approach. I say this because the Spanish spoken by folks from Mexico and other Latin am countries is different, conversationally.

I also took a quarter of German in college. that is a fun language.

Need more options across board though. Of course, shit gotsta be more modern now I figure. Pimsleur ftw?

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » July 10, 2008, 1:34 pm

I attended a private school through the 10th grade, and a public high school for 11th & 12th. At the private school, there were no language options until 9th grade, and they were limited to Spanish or French. At my public high school, the options expanded to include German, although if I remember correctly, there was a test program that allowed students to take language courses through one of the local community colleges for a language credit, with their academic adviser's approval. You had to do this during nights or weekends, which hampered participation. I didn't participate in that program, so I don't recall all of the details, and it was only available for a year or two. I don't think my younger sister had that option. I took two years of French in HS, and have never had the occasion to use it. I've forgotten 90% of what I learned. I didn't take any language courses in college. The public school is closed now, and the private school I attended is now attempting to buy that property for its new campus. The public school was one of the best schools in the state at the time, and the two schools that replaced it are even better now, offering several additional options beyond the three we had.

Lately, I've been toying with the idea of learning Spanish. I'm trying to decide if I want to go the self-study route (Pimsleur, Rosetta Stone, etc.), or if I should take a few classes.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » July 10, 2008, 1:52 pm

What I don't understand is the mindset of the type of idiotic fuckwit who wouldn't want their child to learn as many languages as possible.

There's a difference between being proud (whatever that means) of your language (which is already a deviation of a previous language, fuckwit) and just being a small minded insular piece of shit.

It's pretty obvious which of the idiots posting here would fit into that catagory. Oh and by the way no one's buying the whole "hiding xenophobia behind "omg i like small government"" approach you fucktards are taking.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » July 10, 2008, 2:06 pm

drolgin knows english better than i do fukkkkk u dems

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 10, 2008, 2:06 pm

Nick wrote:What I don't understand is the mindset of the type of idiotic fuckwit who wouldn't want their child to learn as many languages as possible.

There's a difference between being proud (whatever that means) of your language (which is already a deviation of a previous language, fuckwit) and just being a small minded insular piece of shit.

It's pretty obvious which of the idiots posting here would fit into that catagory. Oh and by the way no one's buying the whole "hiding xenophobia behind "omg i like small government"" approach you fucktards are taking.

Again you fail to see that I am looking at the broader scope. I happen to have had my son on Rosetta Stone for the past 4 months. He has been toying with Spanish, Italian and Japanese, but hasn't quite settled on one he would like to concentrate on. *sigh* You children are exhausting.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 10, 2008, 2:09 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Again you fail to see that I am looking at the broader scope.

Broader Scope is the new Big Picture.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 10, 2008, 2:13 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Again you fail to see that I am looking at the broader scope.
Broader Scope is the new Big Picture.

I don't mind that this board is filled with people like this who poke fun at very thing and stop the possibility of a real discussion, but don't then turn around and point fingers at people saying how the board is ruined. It is this very behavior that has done this to this board. Or this board was never any more than this. I will follow suit from now on and just troll.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » July 10, 2008, 2:16 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Aslanna wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Again you fail to see that I am looking at the broader scope.
Broader Scope is the new Big Picture.

I don't mind that this board is filled with people like this who poke fun at very thing and stop the possibility of a real discussion, but don't then turn around and point fingers at people saying how the board is ruined. It is this very behavior that has done this to this board. Or this board was never any more than this. I will follow suit from now on and just troll.

As opposed to what you've been doing for the past 6 years?

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 10, 2008, 2:17 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I will follow suit from now on and just troll.

lol. And that's different from what you have been doing in what way?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 10, 2008, 2:21 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I will follow suit from now on and just troll.
lol. And that's different from what you have been doing in what way?

As much as you hate my opinion and views, all I've been doing is expressing those here. I'll try and assimilate to the obvious behavior of the majority of this board and try and refrain from doing so, since it is not welcome here. I will try and just post random hatred, call people out on stupid things and try to derail every ones opinion. I just want to get along.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » July 10, 2008, 3:57 pm

What's the big fuckin' picture?

What freedoms are lost when your children become more educated than you were at their age, and potentially become more educated than you are presently?

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » July 10, 2008, 4:15 pm

Awwwwww. Poor little Midnyte "shared" his hate filled filth and got blasted for its ludicrous ignorance and now he feels emo.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 10, 2008, 4:36 pm

I recently mastered babelfish.

Before that I had a few scattered semesters of German and Italian. If I had studied, I think I could have handled German but Italian and Spanish (verbal) were not meant to be uttered from my mouth. Fuck rolling "r"s etc.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 10, 2008, 4:40 pm

Xyun wrote:Awwwwww. Poor little Midnyte "shared" his hate filled filth and got blasted for its ludicrous ignorance and now he feels emo.

Yeah, HAHA. I'm certainly a very fragile man and the words of people who don't even know me, bothers me so so much. Ah man, that's so sad isn't it. LOL

What a loser! LMAO

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » July 10, 2008, 5:09 pm

Que un perdedor! JAJAJAJAJA

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 10, 2008, 5:23 pm

Gzette wrote:Que un perdedor! JAJAJAJAJA

Yes, parrot.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » July 10, 2008, 5:59 pm

Winnow wrote:I recently mastered babelfish.

Before that I had a few scattered semesters of German and Italian. If I had studied, I think I could have handled German but Italian and Spanish (verbal) were not meant to be uttered from my mouth. Fuck rolling "r"s etc.

If you learned one of those languages with the rolling r's when you were between 5 and 12, you'd be able to pull it off. My wife can't do the r's in french, but since I learned hebrew as a youngster i'm able able to do it since the method to make that sound is similar.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 10, 2008, 6:13 pm

Chidoro wrote:
Winnow wrote:I recently mastered babelfish.

Before that I had a few scattered semesters of German and Italian. If I had studied, I think I could have handled German but Italian and Spanish (verbal) were not meant to be uttered from my mouth. Fuck rolling "r"s etc.
If you learned one of those languages with the rolling r's when you were between 5 and 12, you'd be able to pull it off. My wife can't do the r's in french, but since I learned hebrew as a youngster i'm able able to do it since the method to make that sound is similar.

Nods. I lived in Italy for a couple years when I was younger and learned a lot of Italian while I was there and can pronounce the r's quite well.

Errr, I mean, maybe your wife is a fucking moron then. LMAO

Spang · Post by **Spang** » July 10, 2008, 6:34 pm

Midnyte's wife is a cunt.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 10, 2008, 7:16 pm

Obama was stating an opinion not a policy, big difference. I think it is a smart opinion. We were only offered French here and not until High School. At that age I couldn't give a fsck about learning any other language, I certainly didn't see the benefit that I do now. I think offering it at a much younger age would be more effective.

From one english only speaker it was a bit embarrassing when I've been over to Europe for work. While most of the people are very polite and attempt to speak english only around you there were times when a native language (Dutch and Norwegian in this case) conversation would break out. The most socially isolated feeling I've ever had.

It really is impressive watching someone switch between 2-3-4 languages, even more so how common it is over there.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » July 10, 2008, 7:22 pm

I was offered several different languages starting in 6th grade. I think the choices were Spanish, French, and Latin. Maybe even German. I took French. In high school I took a year of Spanish and failed it. Took a year of French and passed. I know more Spanish than French, and that isn't very much. I was educated in Florida.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 10, 2008, 7:29 pm

Learning French is a waste of time but women should go to school to learn French and Australian accents.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » July 10, 2008, 7:55 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
You know, it’s embarrassing … when Europeans come over here, they all speak English, they speak French, they speak German. And then we go over to Europe, and all we can say is “Merci beaucoup.” Right?
Is it really? To whom? To those elitist fucks who presume they know everything. To those who think we need to apologize for everything? For those fucks whot hink we need to apologize for slavery of which we had nothing to do with? For those fucks who think we need to apologize if we work hard and make $250,00/year....we should feel guilty?

You narrow minded SOBs really need to broaden your perspective on things.

You managed to pack extreme racism, willful ingnorance, and right wing talking points all into one paragraph. Congratulations on assembling the Triforce of Stupidity. I guess with all your posting here the answer to this question is obvious, but I have to ask, do you not care how stupid or ignorant you are in comparison to the rest of the world? Does the fact that many third world countries have better educated children than this country not bother you in the slightest? Arrogance is no subsitute for intelligence. Being smart and well educated is not an elitist stance, but the powers that be in this country would sure like people to think that, because stupid and ignorant people are easier to control. They do things like direct link talking points from right wing blogs, for example, without so much as qualifying let alone questioning the material on any level. God fucking forbid any of your little fuck trophies should ever develop one iota of understanding of someone else's culture and language.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » July 10, 2008, 7:57 pm

Jice Virago wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
You know, it’s embarrassing … when Europeans come over here, they all speak English, they speak French, they speak German. And then we go over to Europe, and all we can say is “Merci beaucoup.” Right?
Is it really? To whom? To those elitist fucks who presume they know everything. To those who think we need to apologize for everything? For those fucks whot hink we need to apologize for slavery of which we had nothing to do with? For those fucks who think we need to apologize if we work hard and make $250,00/year....we should feel guilty?

You narrow minded SOBs really need to broaden your perspective on things.
You managed to pack extreme racism, willful ingnorance, and right wing talking points all into one paragraph. Congratulations on assembling the Triforce of Stupidity. I guess with all your posting here the answer to this question is obvious, but I have to ask, do you not care how stupid or ignorant you are in comparison to the rest of the world? Does the fact that many third world countries have better educated children than this country not bother you in the slightest? Arrogance is no subsitute for intelligence. Being smart and well educated is not an elitist stance, but the powers that be in this country would sure like people to think that, because stupid and ignorant people are easier to control. They do things like direct link talking points from right wing blogs, for example, without so much as qualifying let alone questioning the material on any level. God fucking forbid any of your little fuck trophies should ever develop one iota of understanding of someone else's culture and language.

He has already indicated that he is okay with his children just learning to take a test, instead of actually LEARNING a subject.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » July 10, 2008, 8:09 pm

Jice Virago wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
You know, it’s embarrassing … when Europeans come over here, they all speak English, they speak French, they speak German. And then we go over to Europe, and all we can say is “Merci beaucoup.” Right?
Is it really? To whom? To those elitist fucks who presume they know everything. To those who think we need to apologize for everything? For those fucks whot hink we need to apologize for slavery of which we had nothing to do with? For those fucks who think we need to apologize if we work hard and make $250,00/year....we should feel guilty?

You narrow minded SOBs really need to broaden your perspective on things.
You managed to pack extreme racism, willful ingnorance, and right wing talking points all into one paragraph. Congratulations on assembling the Triforce of Stupidity. I guess with all your posting here the answer to this question is obvious, but I have to ask, do you not care how stupid or ignorant you are in comparison to the rest of the world? Does the fact that many third world countries have better educated children than this country not bother you in the slightest? Arrogance is no subsitute for intelligence. Being smart and well educated is not an elitist stance, but the powers that be in this country would sure like people to think that, because stupid and ignorant people are easier to control. They do things like direct link talking points from right or left wing blogs, for example, without so much as qualifying let alone questioning the material on any level. God fucking forbid any of your little fuck trophies should ever develop one iota of understanding of someone else's culture and language.

With that change I agree completely with you. Idon't think the right is doing us any favors, but blindly accepting the left's viewpoint is pretty naive too. (Not saying you are doing that Jice, just making a point).

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » July 10, 2008, 8:23 pm

Tyek wrote:With that change I agree completely with you. Idon't think the right is doing us any favors, but blindly accepting the left's viewpoint is pretty naive too. (Not saying you are doing that Jice, just making a point).

I totally agree that blindly accepting any point of view is foolish, but from what I've witnessed on these boards, those on the left side of things are not the ones that are generally guilty of not thinking things through before taking a position.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 10, 2008, 10:50 pm

Xatrei wrote:
Tyek wrote:With that change I agree completely with you. Idon't think the right is doing us any favors, but blindly accepting the left's viewpoint is pretty naive too. (Not saying you are doing that Jice, just making a point).
I totally agree that blindly accepting any point of view is foolish, but from what I've witnessed on these boards, those on the left side of things are not the ones that are generally guilty of not thinking things through before taking a position.

No, of course you don't feel that way. Gosh, neither do I. The lefties are intellectually, morally and logically superior in every way to those righties on this board.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 11, 2008, 2:07 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Xatrei wrote:
Tyek wrote:With that change I agree completely with you. Idon't think the right is doing us any favors, but blindly accepting the left's viewpoint is pretty naive too. (Not saying you are doing that Jice, just making a point).
I totally agree that blindly accepting any point of view is foolish, but from what I've witnessed on these boards, those on the left side of things are not the ones that are generally guilty of not thinking things through before taking a position.
No, of course you don't feel that way. Gosh, neither do I. The lefties are intellectually, morally and logically superior in every way to those righties on this board.

You base all your arguments on "gut instinct" and indoctrination. Pardon me if I think you're an irrational toolbag that just spews out the first piece of racist sputum that filters up from your overactive bile factory. Then, when you get tired of the natural response to this garbage, you resort to sarcasm, then (hillariously) claim to be Capt. Positive waging a neverending battle against Negativity.

The day you start making an argument with a better foundation than "the status quo" people might listen, sure they might not agree, but at least they can't just dismiss you as an ignorant redneck. /yawn

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » July 11, 2008, 3:42 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Aslanna wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Again you fail to see that I am looking at the broader scope.
Broader Scope is the new Big Picture.

I don't mind that this board is filled with people like this who poke fun at very thing and stop the possibility of a real discussion, but don't then turn around and point fingers at people saying how the board is ruined. It is this very behavior that has done this to this board. Or this board was never any more than this. I will follow suit from now on and just troll.

Am I reading this wrong or do you not say here that you're changing your behavior from "real discussion" to "just trolling" (lmfao) because real discussion is moot on this board. I know you are not just now realizing this because I've seen you point it out before this thread. Since you've known this fact all along, the only explanation for the change in behavior is how you feel about it, which I define as emo.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » July 11, 2008, 4:52 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:The lefties are intellectually, morally and logically superior in every way to those righties on this board.

It's not confined to this board.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 11, 2008, 9:55 am

Xyun wrote: which I define as emo.

The emo shit is not of my generation. Then again I have been incorrectly labeled and classified on this board for years. So, nevermind, carry on. Errr, I mean, LOL yeah, haha LMAO. blah blah blah

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » July 11, 2008, 12:59 pm

Since I think Xyun was saying emo as in a whiny, angsty retard, not an actual emo kid, this is a bit tangential, but what the hell... Emo crap started in the 80's. Unless you're a good bit older than you claim, it certainly was around your generation. I'm 4+ years older than you, and there were plenty of emo douches around when I was young, and even more among people my sister's age (2 years younger), and even more among people my wife's age (7 years younger). Emo is totally a thing of your generation, emotard.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » July 11, 2008, 1:48 pm

Aardor wrote:*gasp* Midnyte posted a quote out of context, and didn't give a source? What is VV coming to??????????????

And he titled the entire post with a "quote" from Obama - that Obama never even said!

Mid, how did you get out of the requirement to learn even one language?

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 11, 2008, 2:19 pm

Fuck Spanish. Spanish is great if you want to be a contractor or manage fruit pickers, but if you want to make the jump into some really expanding markets, we should teach our kids Chinese and Russian.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 11, 2008, 2:36 pm

Xatrei wrote:Since I think Xyun was saying emo as in a whiny, angsty retard, not an actual emo kid, this is a bit tangential, but what the hell... Emo crap started in the 80's. Unless you're a good bit older than you claim, it certainly was around your generation. I'm 4+ years older than you, and there were plenty of emo douches around when I was young, and even more among people my sister's age (2 years younger), and even more among people my wife's age (7 years younger). Emo is totally a thing of your generation, emotard.

36 here and hadn't heard of this emo stuff till recently. Still not sure what it really means, have only seen it online.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » July 11, 2008, 3:15 pm

I think that would be a goth-type person, which we had in our generation.

To my understanding, 'emo' is simply short for emotional. That, of course, would span many many generations. Of course, I am 34, so natually younger and way hipper than you doddering 36+ people.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 11, 2008, 3:18 pm

Forthe wrote:
36 here and hadn't heard of this emo stuff till recently. Still not sure what it really means, have only seen it online.

I'll help you out. Here you are "emofied"

Before.................After

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 11, 2008, 3:19 pm

Toshira wrote:
Aardor wrote:*gasp* Midnyte posted a quote out of context, and didn't give a source? What is VV coming to??????????????
And he titled the entire post with a "quote" from Obama - that Obama never even said!

Mid, how did you get out of the requirement to learn even one language?

I don't recall saying that I did. I took one year of Spanish, French and German. Again, you focus in on the small. I have no issue with a mandatory language introduction in school. I am totally in favor of broadening our educational scope. What I fear is Democrats mandating all school be bilingual. His statement sounds like he is willing to do such a thing. You do not see that. My opinion differs from you. I see such a mandate being the catalyst to making schools bilingual. After that maybe the country becomes bilingual. I'm not 100% certain it would or will happen. Just raising a concern. Socialists scare me. It was not how this country was founded, it was not how I was raised. Many here believe in and support the idea of socialism. I do not.

I do not hold it against you. I do not think you are retarded. I would gladly share a meal in real life with any one of you. Ideas and words don't bother me as much as actions.

laneela · Post by **laneela** » July 11, 2008, 3:43 pm

Canelek wrote:I think that would be a goth-type person, which we had in our generation.

To my understanding, 'emo' is simply short for emotional. That, of course, would span many many generations. Of course, I am 34, so natually younger and way hipper than you doddering 36+ people.

No, there was a sub-culture of pop that was classified as emo-core back in the 80's. Though in fairness, most of the bands were underground. By the mid 90's, emo was definitely more popular. I had a few "emo" friends in highschool - over 14 years ago. By that time, the term "emo" was being used and more "well-known" bands were classifying themselves as emo: Fugazi, Sebadoh, Jawbreaker. I think it's pretty safe to say that the emo from when we were young certainly is not the same thing as the watered-down shit kids who shop at Hot Topic and get $150 haircurts that I could (and used to) replicate in my bathroom, with bleach and some paper scissors listen to.

miir · Post by **miir** » July 11, 2008, 3:47 pm

Socialists scare me. It was not how this country was founded, it was not how I was raised. Many here believe in and support the idea of socialism. I do not.

I find it strange that you embrace the current administration infringing on your constitutional freedoms and rights but you fear mainstream/moderate socialists.

I doubt you'll find many (if any) people on this forum who would even call themselves socialists (by your encylopedia britanica definition) . Many of us who you label liberal or left wing can appreciate certain aspects of socialism but understand why a socialist government is not feasable.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 11, 2008, 3:55 pm

miir wrote:
Socialists scare me. It was not how this country was founded, it was not how I was raised. Many here believe in and support the idea of socialism. I do not.
I find it strange that you embrace the current administration infringing on your constitutional freedoms and rights but you fear mainstream/moderate socialists.

I doubt you'll find many (if any) people on this forum who would even call themselves socialists (by your encylopedia britanica definition) . Many of us who you label liberal or left wing can appreciate certain aspects of socialism but understand why a socialist government is not feasable.

Because it's not right. Look at history. Look at past example of socialist governments. People don't flock to a socialist society. They flock to America because you can start with 1 dollar in your pocket and end up a millionaire. The very thought of it makes my heart hurt.

miir · Post by **miir** » July 11, 2008, 4:09 pm

Oh stop being so thick headed.

People don't flock to a socialist society

Can you even name a single socialist society?

They flock to America

They flock to Canada.
They flock to France.
They flock to the UK.
They flock to Australia.

In the past decade, the US has become a much less popular destination for immigrants.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 11, 2008, 4:18 pm

In the past decade, the US has become a much less popular destination for immigrants.

Except for those evil brown people from down south. This aggression will not stand!

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 11, 2008, 4:38 pm

miir wrote:Oh stop being so thick headed.

People don't flock to a socialist society
Can you even name a single socialist society?

They flock to America
They flock to Canada.
They flock to France.
They flock to the UK.
They flock to Australia.

In the past decade, the US has become a much less popular destination for immigrants.

China, Cuba, N. Korea, Vietnam to name a couple that are still in existence. You mgiht have heard of the USSR?