Man jumps from plane with no parachute, dies 29-year-old follows team out of aircraft with just a camera
DUANESBURG, N.Y. - A 29-year-old man leaped out of a plane at 10,000 feet with a camera but no parachute Saturday. His body was found next to a house with a damaged roof, police said. Sloan Carafello of Schenectady, who was observing on the flight, followed an instructor, student and videographer out the door, wearing no skydiving gear, officials said. Police said they did not suspect foul play but would not elaborate. Robert Rawlins, pilot and owner of the Duanesburg Skydiving Club, said he was flying the single-engine plane and had begun to close the door when Carafello jumped. His body was found next to a house west of Albany.
If all your friends jumped out of a plane, would you?
"There is at least as much need to curb the cruel greed and arrogance of part of the world of capital, to curb the cruel greed and violence of part of the world of labor, as to check a cruel and unhealthy militarism in international relationships." -Theodore Roosevelt
He was riding along as an observer, which is fairly common in skydiving. He had a seatbelt on and the camera guy checked to make sure he was belted in before they opened the door. It was a small plane that held 4 jumpers, so everyone was close together. He took his seatbelt off sometime between this happening and the tandem pair and camera guy getting out.
Precautions were taken but he was determined to kill himself. He had asked people around his work in the months preceding whether they'd rather die jumping off a building or jumping out a plane. You can't really stop someone once they've made their mind up. Sometimes observers are given a pilot's bailout rig to wear, but it wouldn't matter since he would have had to pull the ripcord to activate the parachute. Based on some of the first hand details, he didn't have a change of heart as soon as he got out of the plane and was 100% committed to it.
I have no sympathy for anyone who commits suicide in such a manner as to endanger the lives of other people. He could have landed anywhere. While the odds of him landing on someone are small, landing in the middle of traffic could cause some really bad accidents. He also could have picked a more private manner of offing himself instead of traumatizing the people around him. Good riddance, I say.
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I don't get the jumping from high elevation suicides.
Japan has suicides down to a science although they've been getting sloppy about it lately:
Death by Detergent Shakes up Japan
Mixing detergents is the new recipe for suicide in Japan
May has been a good month for detergent sales in Japan. Unfortunately, it’s also been a good month for gas masks.
The growing trend in Japan of committing suicide by cooking up a noxious brew of household chemicals has become a disaster for anyone caught upwind. People aren’t just killing themselves anymore; they’re making their neighbors sick as well.
First, the suicidal were using detergent. A rash of suicides, performed by mixing detergents with household cleaners to create toxic gases like hydrogen sulfide, culminated in mass panic earlier this month. Two people—a teenage girl in southwest Japan and a man in Otaru, a city in northern Japan—each brewed toxic gas in their homes in order to off themselves. In the process, they sickened many nearby residents and caused evacuations of the areas around their homes.
Today, things got even stranger, when a 34-year-old farmer killed himself by drinking a chlorine-based insecticide called chloropicrin. He was rushed to the hospital, but when doctors and nurses tried to save him by pumping his stomach, he vomited the poison all over them, and managed to make about 50 other people sick. Those who were exposed to his noxious upchuck developed coughs and eye sores; 10 were hospitalized. Other patients in the hospital got even sicker when the fumes wafted into their wards.
These chemical disasters are a new wave of an old problem for Japan, which had the world’s tenth highest suicide rate in 2004. To curb the collateral damage, police want to clamp down on Web sites that offer instructions to mix the chemicals. What else they could do remains unclear. U.S. officials responded to the boom in the use of drugs like methamphetamine by putting one of its main ingredients, pseudophedrine medications like Sudafed, behind the counter and requiring buyers to sign paperwork for them. But it’s harder to hide detergent behind the counter. People still need to do their laundry.
Lalanae wrote:I have no sympathy for anyone who commits suicide in such a manner as to endanger the lives of other people. He could have landed anywhere. While the odds of him landing on someone are small, landing in the middle of traffic could cause some really bad accidents. He also could have picked a more private manner of offing himself instead of traumatizing the people around him. Good riddance, I say.
I have no sympathy for anyone who gets behind the wheel of a vehicle in such a manner as to endanger the lives of other people. You could have driven anywhere. While the odds of you driving into someone are small, driving in the middle of traffic can cause some really bad accidents. You also could have picked a much safer manner of transportation: your feet.
/sarcasm off
It figures you'd find some reason to criticize this guy. Boo fucking hoo.
Lalanae wrote:I have no sympathy for anyone who commits suicide in such a manner as to endanger the lives of other people. He could have landed anywhere. While the odds of him landing on someone are small, landing in the middle of traffic could cause some really bad accidents. He also could have picked a more private manner of offing himself instead of traumatizing the people around him. Good riddance, I say.
I have no sympathy for anyone who gets behind the wheel of a vehicle in such a manner as to endanger the lives of other people. You could have driven anywhere. While the odds of you driving into someone are small, driving in the middle of traffic can cause some really bad accidents. You also could have picked a much safer manner of transportation: your feet.
/sarcasm off
It figures you'd find some reason to criticize this guy. Boo fucking hoo.
I'm not too sure why you're getting your nuts in a twist over this one. She's right, really. I don't give a rats ass if someone wants to off themselves, but to do so in a manner that completely disregards the safety of others, let alone the emotional damage caused, is pretty rotten. Fuck that guy.
I feel badly for others on that jump as well as the residents of that house that had to have bits of suicidal retard cleaned up.
"When I was a kid, my father told me, 'Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it.'" - Russel Ziskey
News flash, folks - People who commit suicide are generally not in their right, stable frame of mind. This guy may have been the most caring, sensitive, considerate person you would have ever met, but severe depression changes everything about the way you think.
I knew a guy who committed suicide 6 weeks ago or so. He was my best friend's buddy, we'd partied together 20 times or so.
Dude pulled his car over on the side of the highway North of Detroit, was pacing back and forth behind it, and then stepped into oncoming traffic in front of a semi. From what I heard, the guy chose that method because he didn't want a family member to have to find his body. That's so rude though, the driver of the truck was totally traumatized. If you're going to kill yourself, just take a bunch of pills and die in your sleep.
"It's like these guys take pride in being ignorant."- Barack Obama
So you want me to feel sorry for the guy or sorry that he's no longer part of this world? He was still a douche for what he did. Careful Mid, you're starting to sound like a liberal.
Lalanae Burundi High Chancellor for Tourism, Sodomy and Pie
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Lalanae wrote:So you want me to feel sorry for the guy or sorry that he's no longer part of this world? He was still a douche for what he did. Careful Mid, you're starting to sound like a liberal.
Nobody said they want you to feel sorry for them, just to understand they aren't in their right frame of mind so they don't consider the things people are mentioning in this thread. It's a pretty basic concept and there is really no valid argument or counter-point to it.
Lalanae wrote:So you want me to feel sorry for the guy or sorry that he's no longer part of this world? He was still a douche for what he did. Careful Mid, you're starting to sound like a liberal.
You read me wrong there Lala. I don't expect anyone to feel sorry for him. I sure as hell don't. I think it would suck to have someone fall through your roof though. But, I don't expect consideration from someone commiting suicide. If you do, then maybe you should IM Obama and have him promise to enact proper suicide legislation. Maybe if someone hurts someone else while commiting suicide the family can be held liable? Sounds like liberal justice to me.
Lalanae wrote:So you want me to feel sorry for the guy or sorry that he's no longer part of this world? He was still a douche for what he did. Careful Mid, you're starting to sound like a liberal.
You read me wrong there Lala. I don't expect anyone to feel sorry for him. I sure as hell don't. I think it would suck to have someone fall through your roof though. But, I don't expect consideration from someone commiting suicide. If you do, then maybe you should IM Obama and have him promise to enact proper suicide legislation. Maybe if someone hurts someone else while commiting suicide the family can be held liable? Sounds like liberal justice to me.
Would it kill you not to be so irrelevant sometimes?
Going out to play pool now with my fellow klan members. Have a nice night. - Midnyte
If you do, then maybe you should IM Obama and have him promise to enact proper suicide legislation.
Bitch, keep your politics out of my suicide thread! The topic at hand is, What was he thinking...
Do you make a post like this and ask "What was he thinking?" and really expect an answer? He comitted suicide by jumping from a plane. Allow the conversation to go as it does and enjoy the ride. I'm sorry you feel the need to put so many parameters on the flow of a conversation. It is still within the topic at hand and has raised a few good questions. My stataement about legislating suicides raises a very good point about where policies have gone over the past 10-15 years. It's a shame we couldn't have a good conversation about that. Instead is erodes the way of every of thread. This board has so much promise. Sad.
Suicide should be a legal option for all adults and include a waiting period. The criminal justice system should also expand their plea options: guilty, not guilty, or kill me now kthx.
I think he was thinking, "Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"
Do you make a post like this and ask "What was he thinking?" and really expect an answer?
Do you actually read a response like mine and actually put that much thought into it? Is VV the only thing you look forward to everyday when you wake up? Are you wound up so tight that you truely believe every response is an attack on you?...
So much amusement reading Midnyte's responses. I swear, it's just too much. Midnyte should charge a fee. No way this much fun should be free...
When the world is mine, your death shall be quick and painless.
The topic at hand is, What was he thinking...