Lost: Season 4

[Winnow]

And yes, I'll take bets on if Dollhouse makes it past its 13 episode season 1...cause lets be honest, it won't make it. But when Whedon does do something well, I'm happy to say its great (like Buffy).

I'm not impressed with Whedons new show based on the preview I saw but am going to watch a few episodes before deciding its fate.

Firefly was one of the best Sci-Fi TV series in history. Serenity was a great action movie. Whedon is far from being responsible for ruining nerd TV. He also wrote Astonishing X-Men and shot that title up to the #1 selling comic while he was writing it. Comic geeks don't buy issues if they don't like the story (and art). Even X-Men comics.

Recently, I admit that Whedon has slipped, possibly overextending himself. His Runaways stories are lacking and it's yet to be determined if Dollhouse will pan out.

The show looks like it has the support it needs to be a success so it's entirely up to Whedon to come through on this one:

Dollhouse is an hour-long American drama series created by Joss Whedon which went into production in April 2008. The show will air on Fox as part of their midseason lineup in January 2009 on Mondays at 8PM, before 24.[1][2][3] The series stars Eliza Dushku, who worked with Whedon on the cult television series Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. Elizabeth Craft and Sarah Fain will be showrunners, while Tim Minear and Steven DeKnight will serve as consulting producers.[4][5] The writing staff will include Tim Minear, Jed Whedon, Maurissa Tancharoen, Elizabeth Craft, Sarah Fain, and Joss Whedon.[6] Whedon will direct a number of his own episodes, as he has done in past series. Tim Minear and Buffy alum David Solomon are also set to direct.[7] A viral marketing campaign promoting Dollhouse was started on May 26th, 2008.[8]

Dollhouse, which is to be produced by 20th Century Fox Television and Mutant Enemy Inc.[9], has been granted a thirteen-episode production commitment by Fox, with a reported license fee in the range of US$1.5 million to US$2 million per episode.[10][11] Fox has decided to forgo the pilot episode of the series, opting to put funds towards the construction of the elaborate set and cultural context of the television series. It has been described as a "life-size Dollhouse".[12]

Dollhouse, along with J. J. Abrams' Fringe, will air with half the commercials and promo spots, adding about 6 minutes to the shows' run times, as part of a new Fox initiative called "Remote-Free TV".[13]

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I've haven't watched a single episode of Lost!

[Nick]

[Show]

Fantastic episode!

I am however totally gutted that Locke is dead He was great. I was really shocked by that. Just watched it there now so don't have much to say really, still in shock :O

[Dregor Thule]

[Show]

Fantastic episode!

I am however totally gutted that Locke is dead He was great. I was really shocked by that. Just watched it there now so don't have much to say really, still in shock :O

[Show]

I wouldn't get too worked up over Locke's death. There's still the time between Jack et al getting off the island and the funeral, so they have plenty of space to work in Locke stuff. There's also the fact that it seems imperative that he be taken back to the island with the rest of them, so who knows if there'll be some Jesus rebirth thing going on, or he'll exist as a "ghost" there, who knows! All bets are off by now I think. When the show started they didn't want it to seem TOO sci-fi'ish, but now with teleportation (why does Firefox want to change this to deportation?!) and time travel and warping cabins and Jack's talking corpsedad, it's clearly a sci-fi show and that means nothing is off limits.

I wouldn't be surprised if the show ended by them going back in time either to when the plane crashed and having everyone actually die in a Donny Darko-esque fashion, or to before the plane took off and they never get on.

[Nick]

[Show]

Aye, you're right, it was just a bit a total WTF moment there at the end

Plot wise, they effectively laid out the whole next season as well there, which is pretty cool because it now means we can get into the real meat of the story, i.e widmore/wtf the island is/jacob etc etc

Can't wait!

[Dregor Thule]

I'm so not used to Nick being positive and enthusiastic about stuff!

[Lynks]

[Show]

If I had to guess, I would say they will reveal who Jacob is during next season's finale.

I'm really happy they answered some of the questions I had and that there was finally a happy ending for someone (Desmond). Some good came out of Charlie's death.

[Gonzoie - Luclin]

[Show]

Fantastic episode!

I am however totally gutted that Locke is dead He was great. I was really shocked by that. Just watched it there now so don't have much to say really, still in shock :O

[Show]

I wouldn't get too worked up over Locke's death. There's still the time between Jack et al getting off the island and the funeral, so they have plenty of space to work in Locke stuff. There's also the fact that it seems imperative that he be taken back to the island with the rest of them, so who knows if there'll be some Jesus rebirth thing going on, or he'll exist as a "ghost" there, who knows! All bets are off by now I think. When the show started they didn't want it to seem TOO sci-fi'ish, but now with teleportation (why does Firefox want to change this to deportation?!) and time travel and warping cabins and Jack's talking corpsedad, it's clearly a sci-fi show and that means nothing is off limits.

I wouldn't be surprised if the show ended by them going back in time either to when the plane crashed and having everyone actually die in a Donny Darko-esque fashion, or to before the plane took off and they never get on.

Supposedly the writers of the show are trying to stay as close to actual facts about time travel as possible, to keep it from being too sci-fi. A lot of the equations and names of scientists in the show have to do with scientists who actually studied time and space theories. Its all really cool how they incorporate that into the show. Im hesitant to throw this show on the Sci Fi reel just yet, but then again, its hard to say just what this show is.. so maybe Sci Fi is a good enough answer

[Kluden]

Its definitely Science Fiction. Unexplained phenomena, time travel, along with the entire ghosts/island is alive atmosphere make it so...and just like you said, what the hell else would you classify it as? IMHO, just the lack of ugly chicks in general make it science fiction...


I was thinking about my whedon comments after writing them...personally, I hope his show, and all the others, do really well. Science fiction dramas are a lot more fun in general than regular drama shows. They provide the staying power of more seasons, extra story arcs, and a general lack of need to have too many filler episodes. So, I really do want all those shows mentioned in that article to do well, but that's mainly for my own wants to have great TV shows to watch, due to the severe lack of them right now.

And as to Firefly, I will watch episodes if they're on, sure, but I can't give it super huge great praises, because I am a huge fan of Cowboy Bebop and Trigun...shows that obviously influenced the making of Firefly. Firefly just seemed like the live action version of these shows. That's not a criticism, but more of a compliment I imagine. But you won't find me touting Firefly as a great show, to me, its not original due to other shows/anime that I have seen.
edit: I should have added Outlaw Star to the anime comparisons, that one's probably the strongest.

[Waikiki]

I was very happy with the season finale of LOST this year. It was not as much of a cliff hanger as its prior season finales, which was somewhat expected since they are starting to wrap up some loose ends.

[Show]

I did not expect Locke to be the one in the coffin. I too was thinking it was Ben, so I was very surprised when it showed him standing there. I also think it was a good wrap-up to the season to basically lay out next years plot line of getting everyone back to the island.

Does anyone have any info on the guy that has never aged? The one that interviewed the young Locke? Maybe I missed something, but I don't remember seeing anything about this guys history, he just always seems to be there.

I really enjoyed Firefly, Angel, and Serenity. I have a bunch of Firefly paraphernalia. (blue sun clothing, Jayne's hat that his mother knitted him, posters, etc.) I didn't like Buffy quite as much, however I still have seen all of the episodes. I was really hoping that Serenity would bring back Firefly as a series, but then they had to go and kill off Wash. Anyway, I think Joss Wheden is a good writer, but I was a bit turned off by the Dollhouse previews that I have seen. I'll probably give it a chance, but I definitely don't have high hopes for this one.

[Winnow]

And as to Firefly, I will watch episodes if they're on, sure, but I can't give it super huge great praises, because I am a huge fan of Cowboy Bebop and Trigun...shows that obviously influenced the making of Firefly. Firefly just seemed like the live action version of these shows. That's not a criticism, but more of a compliment I imagine. But you won't find me touting Firefly as a great show, to me, its not original due to other shows/anime that I have seen.

edit: I should have added Outlaw Star to the anime comparisons, that one's probably the strongest.

Cowboy Bebop is one of the best anime series I've seen but it's a stretch to compare it to Firefly. Trigun didn't capture my attention and I haven't seen Outlaw Star to comment. Allshows have influences (see Star Wars and the movies that influenced it)

Cowboy Bebop is worth checking out for those that like anime though!

[Fash]

omg... cowboy bebop is worth checking out even if you don't like anime. I'm not a fan of anime, but that show was like crack.

[Kluden]

Winnow, see Outlaw Star then. Here's a quick wiki on the comparisons: Lots of Similarities

Although, it is unfair to compare the scope and character development and story. Outlaw Star is no Cowboy Bebop.


I was thinking of starting a new thread, but then I remembered LOST is done for like 6 months, so its not like this thread will get more use now that the season is over

[redeemed]

I was very happy with the season finale of LOST this year. It was not as much of a cliff hanger as its prior season finales, which was somewhat expected since they are starting to wrap up some loose ends.

[Show]

I did not expect Locke to be the one in the coffin. I too was thinking it was Ben, so I was very surprised when it showed him standing there. I also think it was a good wrap-up to the season to basically lay out next years plot line of getting everyone back to the island.

Does anyone have any info on the guy that has never aged? The one that interviewed the young Locke? Maybe I missed something, but I don't remember seeing anything about this guys history, he just always seems to be there.

[Show]

you're referring to Richard. I don't think that he's "ageless" anymore, now that they confirmed time travel I think he just bounces through time on his little island missions.. until the finale I didn't fully put that together but it's my official theory now

[Kluden]

[Show]

The time travel thing...do they have to destroy the silly time travel booth every time they want to use it? And doesn't Richard's mission to seek out the young Locke scream that he was going to be in the coffin since he wasn't what they were looking for? I'm trying to figure out now how they are going to drag it out for two more seasons. I'm thinking they should just do five at this point instead of six. 2010 seems so far away.

[Kaldaur]

I think that Ben destroyed the Vault so he could gain access to the chamber that allowed the island to be moved. By destroying the Vault, he opened the passageway. Who knows if the Vault is actually broken. Perhaps the metallic energy created that discharge that blew a hole in the wall. I doubt it dissipated the energy present in the chamber.

[Kluden]

Or maybe the vault goes back in time and fixes itself after the island moves itself each time! zomg!

[Tyek]

We have been talking about Lost around my parents forever and since they have temporarily moved in after my dad's heart condition, we decided to watch it with them from Season 1. It is interesting to revisit the earlier episodes and seeing them in hindsight you notice lots of things you missed before, but the episode "The Long Con" in season 2 really shocked me.

[Show]

Hurley and Sayid are sitting together with the tailes transistor radio, they tune it past Danielle's transmission, and find a clear signal from a classic jazz station playing Glenn Miller's "Moonlight Serenade". Sayid tells Hurley that, because signals from that frequency bounce off the ionosphere, the music could be coming from anywhere. Hurley responds, "Or any time... just kidding, dude."

Not wanting to tip anything off to the parents, I looked over at the wife and I could tell we both had realized they were forshadowing this whole thing in season 2. What seemed like a throwaway line could very well have been the biggest tip off in the series.

[Gonzoie - Luclin]

There is a lot of foreshadowing done in this show.

A lot of the songs they play in the show ( that the characters listen to ), and books sawyer was reading involve islands with magical powers, time traveling, and miracles. Very interesting. It has been going on since season 1.

[Tyek]

Yeah going back I can see it now. I was just surprised by this particular one. It didn't seem that important at the time. If you have not done it, I would recommend a viewing marathon to revisit this Island. It also reinforced how much I liked the Ecko episode in season 2. One of their best ones to date.

[Tyek]

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