BSG: Season 4

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 23, 2008, 1:21 pm

After that flurry of cylon love comments, Jice would be my prime suspect if we were tracking down cylons on the Battlestar Veeshan.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » April 23, 2008, 8:34 pm

Hmm, that could be the new VV mafia game. That was fun when we did it, now, instead of Mafia, we have the final five cylons, and it's the VV's job to flush them out the airlock. But make sure you know the right cylons, otherwise you get rid of one of the few survivors of the human race!

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » April 27, 2008, 12:19 pm

Lots of character developpment this week..

[Show]: Lee Adama was a lot more interesting as a pilot, less so as a politician.
Baltar's wild eyes in the speech at the end were about the high point of the show for me. He's believes that he's a messiah now, which should be interesting.

Tigh and #6's encounters devolving into a relationship similar to the one he had with his wife seem bizarre to me but I'll wait to see how they play this out. Others will probably start being suspicious.

The Tyrell bar scene was some good TV too. Him shouting how he really felt about Callie was also some good TV.

I'm dissapointed that they didn't touch on what happened to the Cylons or the Demetrius more. Looking forward to next week.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » April 27, 2008, 6:56 pm

[Show]: See, I didn't think that's how the Chief actually feels. He was in a rage, and feels alone and lost in a sea of people who aren't even similar to him at all. He attacked Adama and used Cally as the weapon. We saw how he really feels about her at the end of episode 3, when he told her about his plans for their family. Now he feels betrayed by her suicide, and is angry and depressed. I don't think he believes that he 'settled', just that the woman he loved was taken from him. The fact that it appears to be by her own hand makes the pain even worse.

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » April 28, 2008, 11:05 am

Was anyone else as disturbed as I was over the Ellen/6 thing? To supplant 6's face with Ellens was an absolute crime!

Overall, episode was boring. But it did look like Lee was finally "getting it" at the end of Baltars speech. His rose colored glasses might have finally been removed.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » April 28, 2008, 11:50 am

I actually missed this episode on Friday and then found that my daughter had the dvr filled with Backyardigans and Arthur shows so it didn't record. Luckily yesterday I was looking on my Yahoo to see when it would be played again and they had it available for viewing via HULU. So I watched it all yesterday. I hate seeing characters have meltdowns like that. I'm not sure I like what is happening or not. Hopefully something cool happens next week.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » April 28, 2008, 1:46 pm

I have faith in the producers and writers to bring us quality television. I think we're going to have a few episodes that 'set-up' what is to come: that is, we have to sludge through a few weeks of slow action and internal character changes before we get to the grand finale. This week's episode was real slow, but the character development is going to be necessary so we can hit the huge peaks later on.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » April 28, 2008, 2:57 pm

Bubba Grizz wrote:I actually missed this episode on Friday and then found that my daughter had the dvr filled with Backyardigans and Arthur shows so it didn't record. Luckily yesterday I was looking on my Yahoo to see when it would be played again and they had it available for viewing via HULU. So I watched it all yesterday. I hate seeing characters have meltdowns like that. I'm not sure I like what is happening or not. Hopefully something cool happens next week.

Just for future reference. You can view it on SciFi's website (like many other networks).

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » April 28, 2008, 4:22 pm

Truant wrote:
Bubba Grizz wrote:I actually missed this episode on Friday and then found that my daughter had the dvr filled with Backyardigans and Arthur shows so it didn't record. Luckily yesterday I was looking on my Yahoo to see when it would be played again and they had it available for viewing via HULU. So I watched it all yesterday. I hate seeing characters have meltdowns like that. I'm not sure I like what is happening or not. Hopefully something cool happens next week.
Just for future reference. You can view it on SciFi's website (like many other networks).

Yeah I tried there first but for whatever reason it wasn't up and ready to play when I checked.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » April 29, 2008, 12:54 am

Weird. on topic...the people that are wailing and gnashing of teeth over the last two episodes need to take a breath and realize that we're not just coming to a season finale...but a series finale. That requires a bit a tension building and character development.

They can't just keep making action packed episodes and then just end it. You'd all cry about that. "OMG that was it?! Where was the big ending?!"
They're trying to build up to a big ending and you're all crying about the build up.

Make up your minds.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » April 29, 2008, 1:03 am

[Show]: I think Zerak might be the last cylon. Not sure if this was said, but the basis for my idea is that kara/baltar are too obvious (though that projection thing really makes it hard to not thing it's him), and being an outcast really fits with Zerak's character history.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 29, 2008, 4:23 am

Those were back to back the worst two episodes of BSG I've seen.

...utter crap in an otherwise outstanding series. It really feels like they didn't have enough material to fill this season.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » May 5, 2008, 2:03 pm

You're just being dumb, or possibly impatient. All the scenes with Tyrol have been TV gold the last couple weeks. The character development has been enourmous, more than in any previous season. I think you just want more action, or something, because the dialog and story have been phenomenal all season, and the last two weeks have been no exception. I think that, like in prior seasons, you are going to find that a lot of this "boring plot stuff" really shapes the later half of the season. Personally, I prefer all this character development early in the season, rather than feeling like a bunch of it is tacked on down the stretch, like what happens with a lot of other shows. Don't worry, mid-season hiatus is only a couple weeks away and I am sure you will get your huge action sequences.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 5, 2008, 2:34 pm

I haven't seen the last episode but I'm not being "dumb" about the two previous shows. I don't mind a lack of action. The last two episodes felt like filler and at minimum, could have been combined into one show. I don't need more bedtime stories from Adama and understand that Baltar is whacked out. Tyrol is having a hard time dealing with being a Cylon. Starbuck and her crew may as well not have shown up in the episodes.

BSG is my favorite show on TV but those two episodes blew chunks when compared to the rest of the series. It might be because I just watched the original mini series, season one and most of season two so I have them fresh in my mind for comparison.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » May 5, 2008, 6:31 pm

Well, I firmly disagree. The acting was top notch across the board and a lot has happened with the development of all the principle characters in the first couple episodes this season. If you don't see that, well, then I am not sure what you are getting out of the show, aside from the action elements.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 5, 2008, 6:43 pm

Jice Virago wrote:Well, I firmly disagree. The acting was top notch across the board and a lot has happened with the development of all the principle characters in the first couple episodes this season. If you don't see that, well, then I am not sure what you are getting out of the show, aside from the action elements.

I totally get the show. As with anything coming out of the entertainment industry, one opinion doesn't work for everyone.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » May 8, 2008, 4:14 pm

I wouldn't exactly call them "utter crap" but there were times when I felt that they are reiterating minor points (or verbalizing things that were better left as "implication") too much instead of giving me something new to think about. The greatest production value and acting can't fix stagnant plot development. It's still a better show than most on TV, but it feels like we're being fed a lot of filler.

The writers screwed themselves in the first two seasons by compacting the storyline so much that almost every scene seemed to offer either a plot turn or new insight into the characters or their situations. So now we're spoiled, expecting the writers to maintain that level of exciting writing and they've run out of ideas. BSG is one of the greatest shows ever, but in Season 3 I started realizing that the strength of the show was not in the secondary storylines.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 8, 2008, 4:27 pm

I watched S04E04 last night and it was just as bad as the last two episodes.

The story is dead at the moment and on top of that, they chose to remove half the main characters from the episode and focus on the horrible Starbuck storyline. Boomer is just a throw in character now.

The "Distrurbed" Tyrol might be acting well but his interaction with Baltar and the entire story was again "ho hum".

I take a step back and view the season as a whole so far and think there's no way I'd want to rewatch this again like I have the first 3 seasons. If the story picks up, I'd still skip the first 4 shows.

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » May 9, 2008, 1:24 pm

Winnow wrote:I watched S04E04 last night and it was just as bad as the last two episodes.

The story is dead at the moment and on top of that, they chose to remove half the main characters from the episode and focus on the horrible Starbuck storyline. Boomer is just a throw in character now.

The "Distrurbed" Tyrol might be acting well but his interaction with Baltar and the entire story was again "ho hum".

I take a step back and view the season as a whole so far and think there's no way I'd want to rewatch this again like I have the first 3 seasons. If the story picks up, I'd still skip the first 4 shows.

I have to agree with Winnow here. For me, Season 4 has been a let down so far. The only redeeming thing to come of the season so far is the death of Cally....and they didnt even handle that perfectly. Tori shouldve kept the baby to herself. Everything else has been clutter. Yeah, yeah. Character development and all. But I feel the writers took it in the wrong direction from the get go.
Maybe tonight things will pick up. The Starbuck-Hybrid encounter might change the dynamic of things to come.

As for now, I'm more excited about LOST than I am BSG.

Post by **Xouqoa** » May 9, 2008, 1:53 pm

Same for me, Lost is way more entertaining right now than BSG has been. I am sure that as the season progresses though, the action will pick up. (I hope!)

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 13, 2008, 12:44 am

S04E06 Was an improvement over the past few episodes. I enjoyed it.

I still don't dig the President/Baltar storyline but the Cylon/Starbuck storyline picked up.

At least we didn't have to see Tyrol gripping for ten minutes this episode but where is Lee Adama? He's totally vanished from the story.

Season 4 should start improving from here on out. If they're taking turns focusing on certain characters and leaving some out each episode, please, let it be the President and Baltar that are left out of the next show and continue to leave them out until the writers come to their senses and make them worthwhile again.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » May 15, 2008, 1:13 am

Lee is going to end up President of the Colonies. However this turns out, he will end up in that role. I'll take bets on it now if you'd like. 10 VVs for effect!

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » May 15, 2008, 3:15 pm

I can see that happening.

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » May 15, 2008, 6:54 pm

Rosalyn will die. He seems the most likely successor, though not the VP.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 15, 2008, 7:33 pm

I predict they find Tatooine instead of Earth, starting a huge crossover series of movies.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » May 15, 2008, 8:16 pm

No, they'll find Alderaan JUST as it gets blown to pieces

Sartori · Post by **Sartori** » May 22, 2008, 7:36 am

Vid from the Galactica soundtrack live concert, wasn't sure if this should go in Audiophilia or not.

http://www.g4tv.com/thepile/videos/2176 ... Video.html

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » May 22, 2008, 9:06 am

I think they are leaving Lee out of a lot of things to make the viewers frustrated, just like his character is in the storyline right now, setting it all up for the prodigal son to return to action...no use making him president, not like he could be president on someone else's planet, no?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 29, 2008, 5:40 am

I just watched s04e07. That was the best episode of the season and not a peep out of anyone here?

The suspense is back. Meaningful action is back. Great ending: "JUMP!"

Lee Adama's part still sucks so far in season 4 but at least he's in the mix. It's such a weak position he's in. He really has no say about anything.

What's the deal with s04e08? Are they taking a mid season break or something?

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » May 29, 2008, 9:01 am

No, memorial day weekend break. Its on tomorrow night with a new episode.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » May 29, 2008, 11:24 am

Episode 8 was shown in the UK on Monday, so I got the torrent of that. Pretty good episode, Lee sees some development! A couple shocking, wtf? moments, but I'll leave off from talking about them even in spoilers till after it's shown in North America

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » June 2, 2008, 3:24 pm

Woot for Lee. Not that it was hard to see coming, Roslin's posturing and his sudden appointment to politics at the beginning of the season gave us the heads up for his new career path.
I love Romo Lampkin, but I thought that Ron Moore threw him off the deep end in this episode. Was the whole crazy aspect really necessary? Also, the gun being pulled was just unnecessary tension. We knew Romo wasn't going to shoot, so the whole scene struck me as artificial. I did, however, laugh when he started ranting about that cat.
I have trouble believing that Adama would leave the fleet all alone in the hands of Tigh just so he could stay and wait for the President. Oh well, hopefully we'll see some resolution soon, or at least the discovery of Earth.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 2, 2008, 4:11 pm

Yeah, this was another good episode. I agree with Kaldaur that the lawyer didn't need to go all psycho on Lee.

It was nice to get a breather from seeing Madam President and looney Baltar for an episode.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » June 2, 2008, 5:50 pm

I think he staged that specifically to force Lee to realize that he IS the man for the job. Otherwise Lee would never have taken it or it would have been another whole episode while he hemmed and hawwed about it. I would love to see what was happening on the Bay Ship during the same timeframe.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 2, 2008, 5:56 pm

Base! Baseship!

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » June 2, 2008, 8:03 pm

wtf is a Bay Ship?

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » June 3, 2008, 1:11 pm

ahhh thanks for the correction. I had always thought of it as a "Bay" ship as they have many launching bays and such. I think that just stuck with me from the first time I heard even though I probably heard the correct term many times. Oh well. Sorry about that.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » June 3, 2008, 4:46 pm

In the original series they were sometimes referred to as "Basestars" as well. In Razor, you actually get to see the retro base ships and raiders, along with the old school centurians.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 3, 2008, 5:39 pm

I'm pretty sure they refer to them as Basestars in the new series as well, seems to be an interchangeable term.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » June 7, 2008, 2:19 pm

Wow. What a great episode. Baltar was hilarious throughout, Helo is in some turmoil now with the 8's, and D'Anna is back and ready to mix things up.

But the main thrust of the episode...Roslin and Adama were absolutely touching. Who would have thought the best on screen chemistry would come from two middle aged characters? Theirs is the most moving love story in the show, hands down.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » June 7, 2008, 7:34 pm

Ok What the fuck.. Next week is the final episode until 2009?

That's fucking lame. It's the final season, show it all in the span of an actual season. Fucking assholes.

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » June 7, 2008, 9:09 pm

yeah, I hate "midseason" finale bullshit. But they take a break every year (season), don't they?

Best line from Razor: By your command!

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » June 8, 2008, 12:22 am

Not sure. I was late to the party and watch Season 1 through 3 on DVD.

Suffice to say that a 6 month wait for the second half of the season sucks.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 8, 2008, 8:07 am

Not a bad episode.

I agree that the Adama/Roslin relationship is the primary one in the show now that they chose to totally ignore Lee and Starbuck.

Baltar was more himself in this episode than he's been in awhile. A lot more drama has been added to the show now that the cylons can't renew themselves.

I'm still not into all the Roslin crap but it didn't distract from this episode too much.

Diana joking with Roslin about her being one of the final five was a nice touch (even if it turns out to be true). I see she's using her New Zealand accent this season. I don't think she did the previous season.

How many episodes are left after the mid season jump? Unless they start playing the episodes January 1st 2009, it's going to be more than six months. That's crazy talk. It took going back and watching mini series through season 3 to get me back into the groove for this last delay. (everyone should watch the mini series along with the first few seasons and see how much better they were than this final season)

These last few episodes have been about as good as the lower end episodes of earlier seasons. Still much room for improvement. I don't like how the primary characters in the show are so detached from each other. The interaction between these primary characters is what makes the show great.

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » June 8, 2008, 9:10 am

The tease makes this coming episode look like the episodes of old...like with New New Caprica and stuff good.

I think they have 7 episodes "in the can"...so its not like they need time off to make the episodes...and there should be 21 episodes total...unless they changed their mind on that too, which I would put past them to "drag it out" to 24 episodes.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » June 8, 2008, 11:09 am

Because of the strike, they haven't had time to finish filming all of the episodes. Hell, I don't think some of them are even written yet. They are currently still filming for this last season. A delay sucks, yeah, but it's not really their fault. Just hope they get done filming before the SAG pushes for a strike.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 8, 2008, 1:11 pm

Great episode, but ugh, 2009?

And yes Winnow, she had her accent the whole time.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » June 9, 2008, 2:32 pm

I think it is also a marketing ploy. This way they can sell two half season dvd's for more than if they were to sell the entire season in a single box.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » June 13, 2008, 7:52 am

Bubba Grizz wrote:I think it is also a marketing ploy. This way they can sell two half season dvd's for more than if they were to sell the entire season in a single box.

The strike was a marketing ploy?

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » June 13, 2008, 9:22 am

Aardor wrote:
Bubba Grizz wrote:I think it is also a marketing ploy. This way they can sell two half season dvd's for more than if they were to sell the entire season in a single box.
The strike was a marketing ploy?

While I agree that the strike was a factor, didn't they do the same damn thing for every other season? This was the first show (that I was interested in) that kept releasing season 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, etc..