Obama WILL be the next president

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Okay, so you were trolling. Got it.

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself. It sucks we can no longer have discussions on this board. The playground is all yours. Have fun in it with no one in it to state a contrary point of view. Have fun in it with no new posts for days, because you like minded retards have nothign to say to eachother. It's really sad the way you treat people. I wish people could treat eachother like they do in game. It would make for a really nice place to discuss current events. Oh well.

It appears I'm not the only one who needs things explained to me a lot. It sounds like we have similar goals for this forum. My last few posts have been in an attempt to get you to actually post something of substance that can be discussed. Posting a fragment of a thought from one person as a sweeping generalization of all Democrats does exactly the opposite of that. We get it, you hate liberals and/or Democrats.

I asked for clarification on your "truth", because I was hoping that you were quoting what James Carville said about Obama's comments regarding Pennsylvanians in an effort to get a discussion going about Obama's comments. As a Pennsylvanian (I thought... maybe I'm mistaken and you live in Jersey), albeit one who doesn't live in the Rust Belt (as far as I know), I thought perhaps you might have a particular insight into his comments.

I explained it twice. Each time all you could do was retort with a trolling comment. It really sucks. His comment has nothing to do with PA. It bigger than that. PA will go to Clinton. There isn't any insight to be offered or gained. I fdo not hate anyone. Liberals or Dems. I disagree with many of their philosophies though.

[laneela]

As far as I'm concerned fuck the rest of the world and what they think we should do. Fuck saving them during their conflicts, fuck feeding their starving children. Fuck every last person in Africa that continues to spread AIDS, fuck giving them money when they will continue to spread the disease faster than we can cure it. Fuck the UN and what it thinks the US should do, fuck Tibet, fuck taiwan, and fuck you.

We should just continue to deal with other countries strictly for trade, anything else you are on your own. Then we can watch the rest of the world die or kill each other off and laugh as we think about how all those idiots thought we never helped.

That's beautiful, man. *sniff* After reading your touching sentiment and using you as an example, I can't see why anyone wouldn't love Americans and what they stand for.

Starting tomorrow, I'm going to try to be a bit more like you on my path to being an exemplary American: I will put my hand where my heart would be if I had one (tonight I'm selling it on the black market as my first step to becoming more like you) while I say the pledge of allegiance. I will spit on the face of an HIV patient. And I will steal the bread right out of the hands of a starving orphan. Maybe then I'll be able to get a little respect. And if I don't, I can always whine on an internet message board and wonder why nobody likes me.

[Noysyrump]

You do realize the "Eropeen" way of thinking until we debil US people got involved was... 'Kill them all, and let God sort it out' for the previose 1500+ years.

So if your mad that we wish to suplant totalitarian regimes with a government by consent type, then we could just let you go back to the old ways. If you dont want that, then take the good with the bad, and be happy that we allow you to talk shit about us. You remeber what the CCCP did to people who 'mispoke' of them? Granted nothing can please everyone, and it would be folly to even attempt it, so just take a moment, realize how good you have it in erop and live your life to your best.

Then when you are 80+ and about to die, just remember that it was the debilish Liberal Anglo-Saxon revolutionaries' descendants that made it all possible mien freund.

Damn US bashing leprachaun gnomes.

[Spang]

I explained it twice. Each time all you could do was retort with a trolling comment. It really sucks. His comment has nothing to do with PA. It bigger than that. PA will go to Clinton. There isn't any insight to be offered or gained. I fdo not hate anyone. Liberals or Dems. I disagree with many of their philosophies though.

The bald-headed guy wasn't talking about all "white, working-class voters." He was talking about a specific type of "white, working-class voters." Reading comprehension has never been my strong suit, so I'm not 100% sure which type of "white, working-class voters" he was talking about, but I think he was talking about gun-toting bible thumpers in Small-Town America.

[Tristinn]

Awesome Funk, you respond to my to my critique of your inhumanity with a bunch of trash that simply reinforces my point.

People with your attitude ruled this country for 8 years.. and now look where we are.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

I explained it twice. Each time all you could do was retort with a trolling comment. It really sucks. His comment has nothing to do with PA. It bigger than that. PA will go to Clinton. There isn't any insight to be offered or gained. I fdo not hate anyone. Liberals or Dems. I disagree with many of their philosophies though.

The bald-headed guy wasn't talking about all "white, working-class voters." He was talking about a specific type of "white, working-class voters." Reading comprehension has never been my strong suit, so I'm not 100% sure which type of "white, working-class voters" he was talking about, but I think he was talking about gun-toting bible thumpers in Small-Town America.

It's okay if he only meant religious white middle-class people who own guns? HAHAHA

[Nick]

It's funny that twatmaster thinks the whole rest of the world would collapse if the US became extremely self involved and isolated.

It would be better off, fuckwit. The quicker people like you keep their nose out of world affairs the better.

[Zaelath]

The amusing part is Americans still pretend (to themselves even) that they "come in and save people", when in fact it's pretty obvious they act in their own self interest first and last. Nothing wrong with the last part, but don't piss in my pocket and tell me it's raining.

[Canelek]

The amusing part is Americans still pretend (to themselves even) that they "come in and save people", when in fact it's pretty obvious they act in their own self interest first and last. Nothing wrong with the last part, but don't piss in my pocket and tell me it's raining.

Hey, don't lump all of us in with those martians.

[Aslanna]

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself. It sucks we can no longer have discussions on this board. The playground is all yours. Have fun in it with no one in it to state a contrary point of view. Have fun in it with no new posts for days, because you like minded retards have nothign to say to eachother. It's really sad the way you treat people. I wish people could treat eachother like they do in game. It would make for a really nice place to discuss current events. Oh well.

Does this mean you're going to take a page out of Funk's playbook and stop posting here?

Oh wait.. He still posts here doesn't he? Thanks for getting my hopes up for nothing.

[Funkmasterr]

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself. It sucks we can no longer have discussions on this board. The playground is all yours. Have fun in it with no one in it to state a contrary point of view. Have fun in it with no new posts for days, because you like minded retards have nothign to say to eachother. It's really sad the way you treat people. I wish people could treat eachother like they do in game. It would make for a really nice place to discuss current events. Oh well.

Does this mean you're going to take a page out of Funk's playbook and stop posting here?

Oh wait.. He still posts here doesn't he? Thanks for getting my hopes up for nothing.

oh look, the cunt.. i mean broken record.. i mean, moron is bringing me up again

[Xyun]

You do realize the "Eropeen" way of thinking until we debil US people got involved was... 'Kill them all, and let God sort it out' for the previose 1500+ years.

So if your mad that we wish to suplant totalitarian regimes with a government by consent type, then we could just let you go back to the old ways. If you dont want that, then take the good with the bad, and be happy that we allow you to talk shit about us. You remeber what the CCCP did to people who 'mispoke' of them? Granted nothing can please everyone, and it would be folly to even attempt it, so just take a moment, realize how good you have it in erop and live your life to your best.

Then when you are 80+ and about to die, just remember that it was the debilish Liberal Anglo-Saxon revolutionaries' descendants that made it all possible mien freund.

Damn US bashing leprachaun gnomes.

Lol @ your idiocy.

[Funkmasterr]

Awesome Funk, you respond to my to my critique of your inhumanity with a bunch of trash that simply reinforces my point.

People with your attitude ruled this country for 8 years.. and now look where we are.

That's where you (and zaelath and nick and most of the other people that have posted in the last two pages) are completely fucking wrong and missing the point that is obviously too big for you to grasp.

The world does count on us, I am not interested in discussing whether this is true or not because it most certainly is.. Yet you want to bitch about how we go about every little fucking thing we do.

And of course we act in our own personal interests as well... When at any given time 60% of the fucking countries in the world expect us to do something about some situation or another, why not selectively pick the ones that will also benefit us?

[Spang]

It's okay if he only meant religious white middle-class people who own guns? HAHAHA

I think you misunderstood what he meant. I'm thinking he meant that in order for a democrat to become president, he or she needs to win the hearts and minds of small-town Americans. Why do you think G.W. got elected to a 2nd term? He appealed to these types of people, there are a lot of them, and they vote. Democrats typically have different points of views, almost exact opposites in many cases.

That's just my bullshit outlook on it. I don't claim to be a political expert, but go ahead and laugh if it makes you feel better!

[Zaelath]

Awesome Funk, you respond to my to my critique of your inhumanity with a bunch of trash that simply reinforces my point.

People with your attitude ruled this country for 8 years.. and now look where we are.

That's where you (and zaelath and nick and most of the other people that have posted in the last two pages) are completely fucking wrong and missing the point that is obviously too big for you to grasp.

The world does count on us, I am not interested in discussing whether this is true or not because it most certainly is.. Yet you want to bitch about how we go about every little fucking thing we do.

And of course we act in our own personal interests as well... When at any given time 60% of the fucking countries in the world expect us to do something about some situation or another, why not selectively pick the ones that will also benefit us?

Hey, sweetheart, I'm not saying I don't understand you acting in your own self interest, I'm saying don't pretend you're acting in mine. Pick one.

[Funkmasterr]

Awesome Funk, you respond to my to my critique of your inhumanity with a bunch of trash that simply reinforces my point.

People with your attitude ruled this country for 8 years.. and now look where we are.

That's where you (and zaelath and nick and most of the other people that have posted in the last two pages) are completely fucking wrong and missing the point that is obviously too big for you to grasp.

The world does count on us, I am not interested in discussing whether this is true or not because it most certainly is.. Yet you want to bitch about how we go about every little fucking thing we do.

And of course we act in our own personal interests as well... When at any given time 60% of the fucking countries in the world expect us to do something about some situation or another, why not selectively pick the ones that will also benefit us?

Hey, sweetheart, I'm not saying I don't understand you acting in your own self interest, I'm saying don't pretend you're acting in mine. Pick one.

Bullshit, who say's it can't be both ways? I think it very well can be and I think I covered why.

[Zaelath]

Hey, sweetheart, I'm not saying I don't understand you acting in your own self interest, I'm saying don't pretend you're acting in mine. Pick one.

Bullshit, who say's it can't be both ways? I think it very well can be and I think I covered why.

Well, yes, my interests could coincide with yours, and then you'd be acting in my interests as a by product. However, they don't, so you're not, and on a "world scale" they're not even close.

[Nick]

Awesome Funk, you respond to my to my critique of your inhumanity with a bunch of trash that simply reinforces my point.

People with your attitude ruled this country for 8 years.. and now look where we are.

That's where you (and zaelath and nick and most of the other people that have posted in the last two pages) are completely fucking wrong and missing the point that is obviously too big for you to grasp.

The world does count on us, I am not interested in discussing whether this is true or not because it most certainly is.. Yet you want to bitch about how we go about every little fucking thing we do.

And of course we act in our own personal interests as well... When at any given time 60% of the fucking countries in the world expect us to do something about some situation or another, why not selectively pick the ones that will also benefit us?

You are one sadly deluded mother fucker of a man. Off to Paris, cya in a week!

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[Canelek]

If the Dems can restructure their nominee selection and the Reps can get rid of their god, they may actually find a happy medium somewhere.

Here's to hoping Obama goes up and Clinton goes down (not literally, eww).

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It is too bad that he is a great speaker and has some horribly misguided objectives in his platform. Obama and Hillary are both HORRIBLE to have in office with a Democrat controlled Congress. Quite frankly I believe Congress hould always be controlled by the party that is not in the White House so that there really are checks and balances.

[Canelek]

Well at least the terrorists and dictators in Iraq didn't try to kill Barack's dad, so that whole vendetta excuse will never come up again.

[Animale]

On that note, I'm happy that all 3 major candidates have their political background largely in the legislative branch (Hillary less than the other two, of course). I believe we need to take a big step away from executive power toward more legislative oversight, and all three of them have been playing on the other side of the fence during the unprecedented power grab of the current administration. Hopefully, once they get into the white house, they take steps to make that a reality. The rhetoric by all the candidates has leaned toward that, hopefully whoever wins follows through.

Animale

[Siji]

Watching a few minutes of the debate last night makes me seriously wonder how anyone could possibly think that Hillary is a good choice for president.. Obama was spoke matter-of-fact about the stupidity of the things people are trying to make him look bad with and in the answers he gave to various questions and Clinton looked like she was either about to throw a temper tantrum or like she was just pulling shit out of thin air.

[Sueven]

It is too bad that he is a great speaker and has some horribly misguided objectives in his platform. Obama and Hillary are both HORRIBLE to have in office with a Democrat controlled Congress. Quite frankly I believe Congress hould always be controlled by the party that is not in the White House so that there really are checks and balances.

Really? You'd really vote for Obama if there was a Republican Congress? Did you vote for John Kerry in 2004?

I completely agree with your sentiment, but it's not stopping me from supporting Obama, and I wouldn't expect it to stop you from supporting a Republican regardless of Congressional makeup.

On that note, I'm happy that all 3 major candidates have their political background largely in the legislative branch (Hillary less than the other two, of course). I believe we need to take a big step away from executive power toward more legislative oversight, and all three of them have been playing on the other side of the fence during the unprecedented power grab of the current administration. Hopefully, once they get into the white house, they take steps to make that a reality. The rhetoric by all the candidates has leaned toward that, hopefully whoever wins follows through.

As with Kilmoll, I both agree and disagree with you. I agree with your general sentiment about executive power (although I think that the extent of Bush's executive power grab has been heavily overstated-- he hasn't made nearly the power grab that presidents like Abraham Lincoln, FDR, and Nixon tried for). However, I don't necessarily know that someone with a legislative background is necessarily the solution-- I tend to have a low opinion of the value of Congress, and I'm not sure that the experience is really relevant to being President. I guess maybe legislative experience would make a president more sensitive to legislative prerogatives, but I'd think that has more to do with personality than background.

[Fash]

I haven't watched the debate yet, but from what I've read it was terrible and ABC should be ashamed. Something like 52 minutes before the first policy question was asked. They spent the whole first hour talking about these bullshit one-liners.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

It is too bad that he is a great speaker and has some horribly misguided objectives in his platform. Obama and Hillary are both HORRIBLE to have in office with a Democrat controlled Congress. Quite frankly I believe Congress hould always be controlled by the party that is not in the White House so that there really are checks and balances.

Really? You'd really vote for Obama if there was a Republican Congress? Did you vote for John Kerry in 2004?

I completely agree with your sentiment, but it's not stopping me from supporting Obama, and I wouldn't expect it to stop you from supporting a Republican regardless of Congressional makeup.

On that note, I'm happy that all 3 major candidates have their political background largely in the legislative branch (Hillary less than the other two, of course). I believe we need to take a big step away from executive power toward more legislative oversight, and all three of them have been playing on the other side of the fence during the unprecedented power grab of the current administration. Hopefully, once they get into the white house, they take steps to make that a reality. The rhetoric by all the candidates has leaned toward that, hopefully whoever wins follows through.

As with Kilmoll, I both agree and disagree with you. I agree with your general sentiment about executive power (although I think that the extent of Bush's executive power grab has been heavily overstated-- he hasn't made nearly the power grab that presidents like Abraham Lincoln, FDR, and Nixon tried for). However, I don't necessarily know that someone with a legislative background is necessarily the solution-- I tend to have a low opinion of the value of Congress, and I'm not sure that the experience is really relevant to being President. I guess maybe legislative experience would make a president more sensitive to legislative prerogatives, but I'd think that has more to do with personality than background.

I don't suport a republican right now...I support an moderate that happens to be running under the republican banner. I think ideally, as a society, we would be better off if the party system was completely abolished and officials were elected on the merits of their own beliefs rather than some supposed party affiliation.

[Animale]

As with Kilmoll, I both agree and disagree with you. I agree with your general sentiment about executive power (although I think that the extent of Bush's executive power grab has been heavily overstated-- he hasn't made nearly the power grab that presidents like Abraham Lincoln, FDR, and Nixon tried for). However, I don't necessarily know that someone with a legislative background is necessarily the solution-- I tend to have a low opinion of the value of Congress, and I'm not sure that the experience is really relevant to being President. I guess maybe legislative experience would make a president more sensitive to legislative prerogatives, but I'd think that has more to do with personality than background.

Nixon might be a reasonable counterexample, but he was eventually willing to submit to the will of the judicial branch when it came to his power grab. The legal foundation of the Bush administration's power grab is that the executive is beholden to no other body - not the courts, not the legislature, when undertaking its so-called "unitary executive privilege". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive_theory That's some scary shit.

And not only do liberals think this way. The group "American Freedom Agenda" (a conservative think tank group) has recently formed to try and institute methods to permanently ensconce checks and balances into our system. There is definitely something unprecedented about this Presidency, and it isn't for the best of our nation I'm afraid. http://www.americanfreedomagenda.org/index.html

Animale

[Winnow]

For you democrat candidate hopefuls:

Tough economic times for the working man and all Obama and the Democrats have to offer is campaigning on raising every type of tax imaginable on them as a solution. What have we heard so far that might effect you:

1. Campaigned on removing the cap on social security taxes and repealing the Bush tax cuts. 30k and over expect a tax increase.

2. Proposing bailing out of banks and people foreclosed upon that purchased homes they could not afford. This will be paid for by raising taxes including on the same people that played by the rules and continued to rent since they could not afford a home. Now they will have to pay for the mistakes of others thanks to legislation proposed by the Democrats.

3. Obama submitted legislation and has campaigned on adding a tax to eliminate global poverty to the tune of a $845 billion to be paid for by the middle class.

4. Here in NY we are hearing this from Obama meanwhile at the state level Democrats are raising property taxes through the roof and are endless battling to raise other taxes including even the gasoline tax. We are paying near $4 a gallon and these clowns want to raise the gasoline tax! They succeed yesterday in raising tolls throughout the state and in my area alone the working man will be paying $20 more a month in tolls commuting one way thanks to the Democrats. The NYC congestion tax (luckily after a battle it failed to pass) but yesterday they passed raising the thruway tax. The Democrats are also not offerring a solution to get us out of Iraq so why is anyone suprised that McCain will win in the general election based on the economy, taxes and no difference in Iraq policy.

Whatever your belief is on abortion the country also pretty much rejects Obama's efforts in Illinois that healthy infants that survive abortion should be starved to death, late term, partial birth and abortions on demand. He is also against parental notification and for stem cell research. Therefore aside from the social issues this last paragraph is a killer where he cannot win in a general election.

[Daboohk]

While I'd love to believe an uncited article that uses derogatory terms like 'clowns' to get its point across...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/18/ ... index.html

[Forthe]

For you democrat candidate hopefuls:

Tough economic times for the working man and all Obama and the Democrats have to offer is campaigning on raising every type of tax imaginable on them as a solution. What have we heard so far that might effect you:
1. Campaigned on removing the cap on social security taxes and repealing the Bush tax cuts. 30k and over expect a tax increase.
2. Proposing bailing out of banks and people foreclosed upon that purchased homes they could not afford. This will be paid for by raising taxes including on the same people that played by the rules and continued to rent since they could not afford a home. Now they will have to pay for the mistakes of others thanks to legislation proposed by the Democrats.
3. Obama submitted legislation and has campaigned on adding a tax to eliminate global poverty to the tune of a $845 billion to be paid for by the middle class.
4. Here in NY we are hearing this from Obama meanwhile at the state level Democrats are raising property taxes through the roof and are endless battling to raise other taxes including even the gasoline tax. We are paying near $4 a gallon and these clowns want to raise the gasoline tax! They succeed yesterday in raising tolls throughout the state and in my area alone the working man will be paying $20 more a month in tolls commuting one way thanks to the Democrats. The NYC congestion tax (luckily after a battle it failed to pass) but yesterday they passed raising the thruway tax. The Democrats are also not offerring a solution to get us out of Iraq so why is anyone suprised that McCain will win in the general election based on the economy, taxes and no difference in Iraq policy.
Whatever your belief is on abortion the country also pretty much rejects Obama's efforts in Illinois that healthy infants that survive abortion should be starved to death, late term, partial birth and abortions on demand. He is also against parental notification and for stem cell research. Therefore aside from the social issues this last paragraph is a killer where he cannot win in a general election.

One thing that came out of the ABC debate, after the flag pin love your country stuff, was pretty clear answers from Obama on taxes. My recollection:
1) Income starting at somewhere between $200k and $250k will be taxed at a higher rate
2) Income between $75k (not positive on this value) and the start value of #1 will be taxed at the current rate
3) Income below $75k will be taxed at a lower rate

He also stated he would raise the capital gains tax rate. While I get his fairness argument I'm not sure if fairness > benefits of a low capital gains rate.
(I would like to see a progressive rate on capital gains. Say 15% for first 100k and 20-25% beyond 100k. This still encourages investment from middle class and upper middle class people but will stop people from paying 15% on millions and even billions of income)

The moderators did nail him on his plan to raise the social security cap which would increase taxes on income over $99k to whatever the new cap is. This blows up his no tax increases on the middle class line, but he is the only one that proposes a solution rather than dodging the issue.

[Winnow]

3. Obama submitted legislation and has campaigned on adding a tax to eliminate global poverty to the tune of a $845 billion to be paid for by the middle class.

Make the U.S. middle class poorer, close to one trillion dollars poorer, in order to help out poor people around the globe?

Um, no. If they want more money, third world people can milk more goats or farm more WoW gold.

[Forthe]

Over how many years Winnow, assuming it is true in the first place. (That is over 6% of USA GDP so I'm pretty sure it is being twisted\exagerated)

How is the middle class (specifically) going to pay for it without a corresponding tax increase which I haven't seen proposed?

[Winnow]

How is the middle class (specifically) going to pay for it without a corresponding tax increase which I haven't seen proposed?

That's the point I was making in another thread. He can say anything..."World Peace!". Sounds good but he needs to come up with something that will pass legislation. He can say whatever he wants but it doesn't mean it will pass.

A republican as president will offset the crazed democrat dominate senate and congress so we aren't stuck with an outlandish new tax bill. At least a republican president can keep vetoing until they get a grip and come up with something reasonable. You don't want a Dem Congress, Dem Senate and Dem President.

[Siji]

Because when we had republicans controlling everything it worked wonderfully..

[Nick]

A republican as president will offset the crazed democrat dominate senate and congress so we aren't stuck with an outlandish new tax bill.

Haha, what the fuck?

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

A republican as president will offset the crazed democrat dominate senate and congress so we aren't stuck with an outlandish new tax bill.

Haha, what the fuck?

Not a difficult concept to understand. It's a very common mindset amongst both parties when the other is the president they want, at least, to have the congress so the can offset some of the more far left-wing or far-right wing proposals that come out. See, in the US we have a system based on checks and balances. You should read up on it. It may help clear up many of the misconceptions you have.

[*~*stragi*~*]

It's funny that twatmaster thinks the whole rest of the world would collapse if the US became extremely self involved and isolated.

It would be better off, fuckwit. The quicker people like you keep their nose out of world affairs the better.

yeah right you'd just have another potato famine and ireland would sink into the ocean

[Leonaerd]

Hehe "twatmaster."

[Zaelath]

A republican as president will offset the crazed democrat dominate senate and congress so we aren't stuck with an outlandish new tax bill.

Haha, what the fuck?

Not a difficult concept to understand. It's a very common mindset amongst both parties when the other is the president they want, at least, to have the congress so the can offset some of the more far left-wing or far-right wing proposals that come out. See, in the US we have a system based on checks and balances. You should read up on it. It may help clear up many of the misconceptions you have.

And you realise the last republican president did everything he could to completely undermine those checks and balances that you hold so dear?

[Xyun]

A republican as president will offset the crazed democrat dominate senate and congress so we aren't stuck with an outlandish new tax bill.

Haha, what the fuck?

Not a difficult concept to understand. It's a very common mindset amongst both parties when the other is the president they want, at least, to have the congress so the can offset some of the more far left-wing or far-right wing proposals that come out. See, in the US we have a system based on checks and balances. You should read up on it. It may help clear up many of the misconceptions you have.

WTF are you talking about? The last 7 years have been completely republican dominated politics with minimal checks and balances, despite democratic efforts. The current administration scoffs at the notion of checks and balances and/or oversight, and now that they're on their way out the door you wanna talk about it as if it is important to you? what a fucking joke. Your camp had its turn for 6 years and only succeeded in waging an unnecessary war, ruining the economy, destroying our reputation, disobeying the Geneva convention and international law, ignoring the plight of our fellow citizens during time of catastrophe, illegally invading the privacy of American citizens, increasing corporate influence in government, propagating some of the biggest and most outlandish lies to the American people, and politicizing justice! They failed to prevent 9-11, ignoring a document entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack within the United States". They failed to capture the culprit after the most heinous act of terrorism in human history. They failed to unite the American people and the world at a time when we most desperately needed it. And now.... now that it's coming to bear, now that finally we can rid ourselves of this unapologetic, fractious, divisive, corrupt, joke of an administration who trampled on the highest laws, ignored our most basic principles, and never yielded to anything remotely resembling oversight or checks and balances, you want to bring up the fucking constitution????

FUCK YOU. You deserve no such thing. We need control of the two elected branches just to bring some god damned semblance of reality, responsibility, accountability and moral fortitude to this beloved country. And if your (and my) taxes need to be raised to accomplish it, then so be it. You fucking earned it.

Despite what you believe, money is not more sacred than integrity.

[Spang]

Game, set, and match.

[Nick]

Great post Xyun

[miir]

WTF are you talking about? The last 7 years have been completely republican dominated politics with minimal checks and balances, despite democratic efforts. The current administration scoffs at the notion of checks and balances and/or oversight, and now that they're on their way out the door you wanna talk about it as if it is important to you? what a fucking joke. Your camp had its turn for 6 years and only succeeded in waging an unnecessary war, ruining the economy, destroying our reputation, disobeying the Geneva convention and international law, ignoring the plight of our fellow citizens during time of catastrophe, illegally invading the privacy of American citizens, increasing corporate influence in government, propagating some of the biggest and most outlandish lies to the American people, and politicizing justice! They failed to prevent 9-11, ignoring a document entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack within the United States". They failed to capture the culprit after the most heinous act of terrorism in human history. They failed to unite the American people and the world at a time when we most desperately needed it. And now.... now that it's coming to bear, now that finally we can rid ourselves of this unapologetic, fractious, divisive, corrupt, joke of an administration who trampled on the highest laws, ignored our most basic principles, and never yielded to anything remotely resembling oversight or checks and balances, you want to bring up the fucking constitution????

FUCK YOU. You deserve no such thing. We need control of the two elected branches just to bring some god damned semblance of reality, responsibility, accountability and moral fortitude to this beloved country. And if your (and my) taxes need to be raised to accomplish it, then so be it. You fucking earned it.

Despite what you believe, money is not more sacred than integrity.

Wow, what a great post.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

It's really not a great post. The system is there and it works. His perception of the terrible evil Bush administration was carefully created and presented by the media and you all ate it like it was M&Ms. The system of checks and balances has worked very well. Like I said, go read up on it a bit before saying stupid things like "Bush scoffs at the notion of checks and balances". Scoffs? HAHAHA It's not a fucking notion, it's a fucking system. Man you guys are master spinsters.

[Spang]

You lose. Get out.

[Aslanna]

You lose. Get out.

Stop responding to him. It will accomplish the same thing.

M&Ms FTW.