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It doesn't get any more basic than the need for food!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/ ... index.html
Grain prices up 120%; hungry people riot

Riots from Haiti to Bangladesh to Egypt over the soaring costs of basic foods have brought the issue to a boiling point and catapulted it to the forefront of the world's attention. "There are riots all over the world in the poor countries ... and, of course, our own poor are feeling it in the United States," said the director of Columbia University's Earth Institute
Not a good sign for 2012.
"While many are worrying about filling their gas tanks, many others around the world are struggling to fill their stomachs, and it is getting more and more difficult every day," Zoellick said late last week in a speech opening meetings with finance ministers.
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Hardly a new phenomenon, yet no less disgusting to see it continuing.

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Ireland needs to do more to help feed the world.
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But what if you don't like potatoes?
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Winnow wrote:Ireland needs to do more to help feed the world.
:lol:

its americas job to do everything duh. people from erop r just supposed to sit around and bash the americans but offer absolutly nothing themselves this only works if the europeon makes some snide fucking remark all the time or makes some sorry excuse for why thats how things are
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Funkmasterr wrote:
Winnow wrote:Ireland needs to do more to help feed the world.
:lol:

its americas job to do everything duh. people from erop r just supposed to sit around and bash the americans but offer absolutly nothing themselves this only works if the europeon makes some snide fucking remark all the time or makes some sorry excuse for why thats how things are

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Sweden	1.03
Luxembourg	0.89
Norway	0.89
Netherlands	0.81
Denmark	0.8
Ireland	0.53
UK	0.52
Belgium	0.5
Austria	0.48
France	0.47
Finland	0.39
Switzerland	0.39
Germany	0.36
Spain	0.32
Australia	0.3
Canada	0.3
New Zealand	0.27
Japan	0.25
Portugal	0.21
Italy	0.2
USA	0.17
Greece	0.16
Even including the $34 billion that private US citizens and corporations send overseas as aid, the US still sends less of its GDP than Ireland does (no figures I could find for private Irish citizens).

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oh snap!

edit: also, "erop" - classic!
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We do enough. More than enough. Teach the fuckers to fish. Stop sending them fish.
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Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:
Winnow wrote:Ireland needs to do more to help feed the world.
:lol:

its americas job to do everything duh. people from erop r just supposed to sit around and bash the americans but offer absolutly nothing themselves this only works if the europeon makes some snide fucking remark all the time or makes some sorry excuse for why thats how things are

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Sweden	1.03
Luxembourg	0.89
Norway	0.89
Netherlands	0.81
Denmark	0.8
Ireland	0.53
UK	0.52
Belgium	0.5
Austria	0.48
France	0.47
Finland	0.39
Switzerland	0.39
Germany	0.36
Spain	0.32
Australia	0.3
Canada	0.3
New Zealand	0.27
Japan	0.25
Portugal	0.21
Italy	0.2
USA	0.17
Greece	0.16
Even including the $34 billion that private US citizens and corporations send overseas as aid, the US still sends less of its GDP than Ireland does (no figures I could find for private Irish citizens).

You fail.
You must have missed the part where i was not posting on topic really, more referring to some peoples constant flapping of their stupid fucking mouths about how the us doesnt do anything for anything.

so

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i thought this was going to be a link to that sweet video of the girl hitting the other girl over the head with a chair in glendale because they were having a food fight
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*~*stragi*~* wrote:i thought this was going to be a link to that sweet video of the girl hitting the other girl over the head with a chair in glendale because they were having a food fight
that would have been way cooler
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Winnow wrote:Ireland needs to do more to help feed the world.
Agreed, how about the old A Modest Proposal
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We do enough. More than enough. Teach the fuckers to fish. Stop sending them fish.
Yeah cept we are the US.. all we do is teach people to die.
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The pizza joints are now posting this information in their stores because of the grain issue. it's over $14.00 for a large plain now.
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Being the World Police counts for about one trillion a year.

Ireland needs to do more. Their national color remains green instead of red due to the protection of the United States
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$5 if you did a poll, people rather eat and receive medical attention than have the following in their backyard:


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Or maybe it's just me...
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Tristinn wrote:
We do enough. More than enough. Teach the fuckers to fish. Stop sending them fish.
Yeah cept we are the US.. all we do is teach people to die.

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laneela wrote:$5 if you did a poll, people rather eat and receive medical attention than have the following in their backyard:


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Or maybe it's just me...
thats the dumbest fucking thing ive read in months
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Funkmasterr wrote:
laneela wrote:$5 if you did a poll, people rather eat and receive medical attention than have the following in their backyard:


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Or maybe it's just me...
thats the dumbest fucking thing ive read in months
Well, if you'd ever bothered to proofread your own posts, you'd have read a lot of stuff far more dumb than what Laneela had to say.
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8-ball wrote:They'd rather be alive than free, I guess. Poor dumb bastards.
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laneela wrote:$5 if you did a poll, people rather eat and receive medical attention than have the following in their backyard:


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In other news... recent polls show people would rather eat a cheesecake than have a sumo wrestler shit on their face.
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Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:
laneela wrote:$5 if you did a poll, people rather eat and receive medical attention than have the following in their backyard:


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Or maybe it's just me...
thats the dumbest fucking thing ive read in months
Well, if you'd ever bothered to proofread your own posts, you'd have read a lot of stuff far more dumb than what Laneela had to say.
oh isnt that cute, looks like ive got another member of my fan club.

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laneela wrote:$5 if you did a poll, people rather eat and receive medical attention than have the following in their backyard:


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Winnow wrote:Being the World Police counts for about one trillion a year.
My (snide/sarcastic) remark was in response to this, for those (lame-asses) of you that need the quoted text. I'm sure Winnow (who I was responding to) got it.
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Aslanna wrote:
laneela wrote:$5 if you did a poll, people rather eat and receive medical attention than have the following in their backyard:


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omg this picture is not for public use!
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Funkmasterr wrote:oh isnt that cute, looks like ive got another member of my fan club.
Historically, the members of VV have always been quick to lash out at the stupid, so please don't think it's "your" fanclub. The shoes just fit.
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sounds like someone has a little sand in their vagina
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Winnow wrote:Being the World Police counts for about one trillion a year.
Yeah, ok, except a) you're not, b) everyone resents that you think you are, so it doesn't count for any brownie points at all.
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Zaelath wrote:
Winnow wrote:Being the World Police counts for about one trillion a year.
Yeah, ok, except a) you're not, b) everyone resents that you think you are, so it doesn't count for any brownie points at all.
The U.S isn't looking for brownie points. The U.S is the "World Police" and like real police, they pick and choose what they want to write tickets for and what they'll let slide, with an under the table payoff. Our market crashes, so does every other market.

All you can do is hope for a change in management. Hating the U.S. or hoping for its collapse will only screw your own country as well.

That's what you get for sucking off America's huge enhanced breasts for the last 50 years!

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Winnow wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
Winnow wrote:Being the World Police counts for about one trillion a year.
Yeah, ok, except a) you're not, b) everyone resents that you think you are, so it doesn't count for any brownie points at all.
The U.S isn't looking for brownie points.
Perhaps they're not, but you are by comparing charity to military... /shrug.
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What perfect world are you fantasizing about that doesn't need military intervention?

The U.S. pays for 30% of the United Nation's peacekeeping efforts. Unless there's only three members of the United Nations, I'd say the rest of the countries aren't pulling their weight. Ah, but we forget about such things. And then we get to hear about the puny GNPs of the other countries and how their share should be smaller. Waaaaaah! Can't have it both ways.

Either pay 30% of the peacekeeping budget, along with additional support for world charities, and match the United States' massive World Policing efforts or shut the hell up as what it boils down to is whiny Euros (and Aussies in this case), bitching about the big brother keeping the status quo so you can keep your lifestyle! It always comes down to unappreciative Western countries biting the hand that allows them to be fat and merry.
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Didn't I just say that in another thread?
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Winnow wrote:What perfect world are you fantasizing about that doesn't need military intervention?

The U.S. pays for 30% of the United Nation's peacekeeping efforts. Unless there's only three members of the United Nations, I'd say the rest of the countries aren't pulling their weight. Ah, but we forget about such things. And then we get to hear about the puny GNPs of the other countries and how their share should be smaller. Waaaaaah! Can't have it both ways.

Either pay 30% of the peacekeeping budget, along with additional support for world charities, and match the United States' massive World Policing efforts or shut the hell up as what it boils down to is whiny Euros (and Aussies in this case), bitching about the big brother keeping the status quo so you can keep your lifestyle! It always comes down to unappreciative Western countries biting the hand that allows them to be fat and merry.
That would seem to be almost entirely innacurate, and you're assessed to pay 27%, but have a cap of 25% in your own law, and then, you don't actually pay it:

http://www.globalpolicy.org/finance/tab ... arge07.htm

Also, as a percentage of GDP you pay less than Australia:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... nt/us.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... nt/as.html

I'll leave the maths to you if you like, but good luck finding a way to make 0.0036% of GDP bigger than 0.0048% (percentages based on if you actually got around to paying what you're assessed, not what you paid)

And again, any "world policing efforts" that aren't sanctioned by the UN aren't "world policing" they are "protecting your own interests". You're not going to convince anyone outside the US that it's an altruistic endeavour.
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I'll leave the maths to you if you like, but good luck finding a way to make 0.0036% of GDP bigger than 0.0048%
Well .0036% of $30,000 is definatley more than .0048% of $200. So if you want to compare by GDP, you better include the figures of GDP too. As teh Esados Unidos is quite a bit richer than them Anzac castaways.


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GDP - per capita (PPP): $37,500 (2007 est.)

Then of course You have the actual population difference... wich I'm too lazy to link. So yeh, in this case .0036 is a lot bigger than .0048
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I'll leave the maths to you if you like, but good luck finding a way to make 0.0036% of GDP bigger than 0.0048%
Well .0036% of $30,000 is definatley more than .0048% of $200. So if you want to compare by GDP, you better include the figures of GDP too. As teh Esados Unidos is quite a bit richer than them Anzac castaways.
It's called "ability to pay". Beyond that I'll not waste time arguing the definitions of charity and citizenship.
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Human tragedies and natural disasters often reveal character. In such times, people will blurt out what they truly believe.

On hearing that America's initial offer of aid to the victims of the South Asia disaster was a paltry $15 million, Ian Egeland, the U.N. coordinator for international relief, spat out, "It is beyond me why we are so stingy."

Stung, Secretary of State Powell announced a doubling of the U.S. aid offer to $35 million, and made the rounds of the morning shows to defend America's reputation for generosity.

The New York Times, however, piled on the Bush administration. That $15 million aid offer was "measly," and the run-up to $35 million a "miserly drop in the bucket," consistent with the "pitiful" amount we stingy Americans contribute annually in foreign aid.

Both Powell and an irritated George Bush, intended target of the Egeland slur, however, have a compelling case. Of the $6 billion sent out in emergency relief worldwide last year for victims of natural disasters, America contributed $2.4 billion, or 40 percent.

Sensing he had angered the United Nations' sugar daddy, who pays the lion's share of his big salary, Egeland backpedaled. He claims his "stingy" remark referred to the tiny fraction of GDP that Western nations contribute annually in foreign aid. In 1970, a U.N. agency said that wealthy nations should yearly fork over seven-tenths of 1 percent of their GDP in foreign aid.

For the United States, whose official aid figure last year was $15 billion, that would mean $80 billion a year in wealth transfers to Third World nations. Norway, whence Egeland hails, gives almost 1 percent of its small GDP to foreign aid.

But this 0.7 percent figure neglects two factors. First is the U.S. spending for defense that provides security for all the Western democracies, plus Japan, Korea and dozens of nations. Defense consumes 4 percent of U.S. GDP. In the Cold War, it was 9 percent under Ike and 6 percent under Reagan. Then, there is the private giving of Americans, who are the most charitable people on earth. Perhaps 10 percent of the $240 billion that Americans annually give to charity goes abroad.

And looking back over the 20th century, the United States has a record that would seem to deserve better than the sneering contempt of a U.N. official. In two world wars, Korea and Vietnam, America bled profusely for the freedom of others. We invented foreign aid with the Marshall Plan. We midwifed the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank and its sister banks that contribute billions to foreign nations every year. We opened our markets to the world, beginning with the ravaged nations of Europe and Asia after World War II, at great cost to our own workers. Wherever disaster occurs, as in Asia, Americans are usually there first with the most to give.

Americans also pay up to 35 percent of their earned income to the U.S. government and 5 percent to 10 percent to the state in income or sales taxes. Add to that Social Security, Medicare and property taxes, and some Americans pay half their income in taxes. Yet, they remain the most generous people on earth in annual giving to churches and charities.

So, it is fair to ask: What do Egeland and the United Nations contribute? And the answer is ... nothing. For the United Nations creates no wealth and has nothing to contribute, other than what member nations provide it. And the most generous of those nations – which pays a fourth of all U.N. dues and a third of all peacekeeping costs, and has made U.N. officers like Egeland the highest-paid and pensioned bureaucrats on earth – is the United States of America.

Thus, what Egeland does for a living is to preside over the distribution of aid and money conscripted from Americans, while denouncing them as "stingy" and preening as a great humanitarian. He is a dispensable parasite who insults the nation responsible for his exalted lifestyle.

FDR warned that welfare was "a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit." Just as it bred dependency, resentment and ingratitude among recipients in America, and moral arrogance in its smug dispensers, the same holds true in the international realm.

As we see the moral superiority of Egeland on parade, so we annually witness the rage and resentment of Third World regimes against America – that we are responsible for their poverty, that we do not give enough to them – in the General Assembly and at U.N. conferences. Recall the one in Durban, South Africa, three years ago, where reparations for slavery were demanded, but only of the West.

One day, Americans will grow weary of this, as they did of welfare, and abolish foreign aid, tell the Third World kakistocrats that the gravy train doesn't stop here anymore and provide aid directly to people, not governments. For the present, President Bush might solve Ian Egeland's moral problem by being more generous with the suffering people of South Asia, and taking the money, dollar for dollar, out of this year's contribution to the United Nations.
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oh winnow stop trying to make the us look good, its filled with selfish no good assholes and everyone knows that just ask nick
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Oh yeah, by the way, I'm also not in the "US doesn't do enough" camp.

However, I'm also not buying "the US is more generous than everyone else".

Despite Nosy's inability to understand that comparison of percentages is more valid than totals for a country (perhaps he thinks that I personally am not pulling my weight because I don't contribute 8,000% of my salary to world relief efforts to match the US contribution?) everyone else knows that the totals are set as a percentage of GDP both internally and externally.

The article above regarding the tsunami is of course somewhat accurate, and somewhat biased. Australia gave $764 million for disaster relief in that case, which made us have a similar reaction to the original $15 million announcement, however one swallow doesn't make a summer and comparisons have to be made carefully to be valid. In the same way I wouldn't look at that one case, I'm not going to look at raw totals and go "oh yeah, you're way more generous than Monaco".
May 2003 - "Mission Accomplished"
June 2005 - "The mission isn't easy, and it will not be accomplished overnight"
-- G W Bush, freelance writer for The Daily Show.
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