Bush considering $800 tax rebate to boost economy

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Boogahz wrote:You are missing a lot of other areas impacted by the housing issues. It is not just the people who would be using the "creative financing" loans to sell or buy a home which are affected. You are leaving out all of the homebuilders, suppliers of various goods to the homebuilders, cities/counties/states losing on tax revenue which goes back into public spending, utilities not able to expand their services, etc.. Natural goods get impacted as the demand drops quickly. Lumber, metals, etc., drop in value as surplus goods are sitting in warehouses with nobody buying them. There really is a lot more to it than a couple politicians saying a word on TV.

Well thats a kinda evening out on the BOOM that was generated from the overbuilding that happened. Construction has always been an up and down buisness. Hell it gets effected by orange juice prices.

Like I said, I am simplifying.


Lets discuss my city, San Diego. around 1994, I rented an apartment, cheap $650 a month. Every year they raised the rent about 25 - 50 bucks. then around 2000 everything goes apeshit. SD all of the sudden becomes the HOTSHIT. rents start skyrocketing. Housing becomes scarce, city council not alowing new building, causes a housing shortage. Property prices start going up up up. Insanely fast. in 10 years houses DOUBLE thier worth. Then they go up even MORE! Still, noone can build enough new houses in the city, so instead they begin refitting apartment complexes into condo's. SOON everyone does this, thus lowering the amount of rentable property that rents just explode. that $650 is about $1400+ now. People who rent, now cant afford to live here, people like me. Mass exudus of the 'working' class ensues. Las Vegas gets a huge number of them by the way. Now all these new 'condos' are sitting around not selling, and prices start falling on thier ass. From my point of view, thats a great thing, High housing costs are bad for an auto mechanic, even though I make much more $$ now that there are so few of us working stiffs left (my income damn near doubled). But I still have to live with a roomate because even those crappy 1 bedroom's are in such short supply that they cost a grand a month and its hard to get one. Construction companies get the shaft (mainly from our city council) and service jobs have to pay more than they should, it makes the regional economy go nutz. BUT we still have a great standard of living and times are good.
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Looks like they got a deal done. Even those who make over $87K and couple who make up to $174,000k will get a partial rebate.


WASHINGTON - Congressional leaders announced a deal with the White House Thursday on an economic stimulus package that would give most tax filers refunds of $600 to $1,200, and more if they have children.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Congress would act on the agreement — hammered out in a week of intense negotiations with Republican Leader John A. Boehner and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson — "at the earliest date, so that those rebate checks will be in the mail."

President Bush praised the agreement in a statement he delivered to reporters at the White House. "This package has the right set of policies and is the right size," he said.

The rebates, which would go to about 116 million families, had appeal for both Democrats and Republicans. Pelosi's staff noted that they would include $28 billion in checks to 35 million working families who wouldn't have been helped by Bush's original proposal. Republicans, for their part, were pleased that the bulk of the rebates — more than 70 percent, according to an analysis by Congress' Joint Tax Committee — would go to individuals who pay taxes.

Individuals who pay income taxes would get up to $600, working couples $1,200 and those with children an additional $300 per child under the agreement. Workers who make at least $3,000 but don't pay taxes would get $300 rebates.

The rebates, expected to go out in June, would cost about $100 billion, aides said. The package also includes close to $50 billion in business tax cuts.

The package would allow businesses to immediately write off 50 percent of purchases of plants and other capital equipment and permit small businesses to write off additional purchases of equipment. A Republican-written provision to allow businesses suffering losses now to reclaim taxes previously paid was dropped.

Pelosi, D-Calif., agreed to drop increases in food stamp and unemployment benefits during a Wednesday meeting in exchange for gaining the rebates of at least $300 for almost everyone earning a paycheck, including those who make too little to pay income taxes.

"I can't say that I'm totally pleased with the package, but I do know that it will help stimulate the economy. But if it does not, then there will be more to come," Pelosi said.

Boehner said the agreement "was not easy for the two of us and our respective caucuses."

"You know, many Americans believe that Washington is broken," Boehner said. "But I think this agreement and I hope that this agreement will show the American people that we can fix it and will serve to move along other bipartisan agreements that we can have in the future."

Paulson said he would work with the House and Senate to enact the package as soon as possible, because "speed is of the essence."

The Treasury Department has already been talking to the IRS about getting the checks out "as quickly as possible, recognizing that the tax filing season is ongoing," said Treasury spokesman Andrew DeSouza.

The rebates would phase out gradually for individuals whose income exceeds $75,000 and couples with incomes above $150,000, aides said. Individuals with incomes up to $87,000 and couples up to $174,000 would get partial rebates. The caps are higher for those with children.

The agreement left some lawmakers in both parties with a bitter taste, complaining that their leaders had sacrificed too much in the interest of striking a deal. Many senior Democrats were particularly upset that the package omitted the unemployment extension.

"I do not understand, and cannot accept, the resistance of President Bush and Republican leaders to including an extension of unemployment benefits for those who are without work through no fault of their own," Rep. Charles B. Rangel, D-N.Y., the Ways and Means Committee chairman, said in a statement.

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., the Finance Committee Chairman, said leaving out the unemployment extension was "a mistake," as he announced plans to craft a separate stimulus package in the Senate starting next week.

Majority Leader Harry Reid said the goal is to send the package to the White House by Feb. 15 for President Bush's signature. Reid said senators would want to look at add-ons including the unemployment extension and possibly money for highway projects.

Bush has supported larger rebates of $800-$1,600, but his plan would have left out 30 million working households who earn paychecks but don't make enough to pay income tax, according to calculations by the Urban Institute-Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center. An additional 19 million households would receive only partial rebates under Bush's initial proposal.

To address the mortgage crisis, the package also raises the limits on Federal Housing Administration loans and home mortgages that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac can purchase to as high as $725,000 in high-cost areas. Those are considerable boosts over the current FHA limit of $362,000 and the $417,000 cap for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's loan purchases.

After a key Wednesday night meeting in which the parameters of an agreement were reached, Pelosi and Boehner spoke again Thursday to cement the accord.

In the talks, Pelosi pressed to make sure tax relief would find its way into the hands of lower-income earners while Boehner pushed to include upper middle-class couples, according to congressional aides.

The package was drawing fire from liberal activists and labor unions upset that proposals to extend unemployment insurance and boost food stamps had been dropped. Many Democratic lawmakers had assumed those proposals would make it into the package, and critics of the deal said those ideas could pump money into the economy more quickly than tax rebate checks that won't be delivered until June.

Democrats wanted to extend unemployment benefits for people whose 26 weeks of benefits have run out, but Republicans resisted.

Conservative Republicans, meanwhile, were likely to be restless over tax rebates going to those without income tax liability.

Democratic aides said greater GOP flexibility over giving relief to poor families with children — who would not have been eligible under Bush's original tax rebate proposal — was the catalyst that moved the talks forward.
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Dems always want to increase the peoples dependency on the government. It's their bread and butter. They want to be able to give rebates to people who didn't pay taxes. LOL
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Anyone know if they'll be going off "Adjusted Gross Income" or "Taxable Income" for rebates? I never know what they really count as your income...
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I believe it would be taxable.
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Watch for a surge in low budget mail order brides so singles can get the $1200. Probably too late!
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I want to know what they mean by "working couples".

My wife is a stay at home mom, so we're a single income family, but we file jointly, so I'm curious if they'll go by tax filing status (i.e we get $1200), or actual working status (we get $600).

I'm not sure if this is such a good thing, but I can't bitch about getting handed a bunch of money!
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Best thing to do would be to take that money and short a stock because this isn't going to work in the long run!


...but that would be being pessimistic!
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Kryshade wrote:I want to know what they mean by "working couples".

My wife is a stay at home mom, so we're a single income family, but we file jointly, so I'm curious if they'll go by tax filing status (i.e we get $1200), or actual working status (we get $600).

I'm not sure if this is such a good thing, but I can't bitch about getting handed a bunch of money!
Same situation and same question. I can't see why politicians would screw the single wage earner family, but the language is pretty darn specific about that.

I wonder if they're just using "working" as a buzzword for "not the idle rich" as they often do.

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Fed drops another 1/2 point off the interest rate: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Federal Reserve on Wednesday cut a key interest rate for the second time in just over a week, reducing the federal funds rate by a half point. It signaled that further rate cuts were possible.

The Fed action pushed the funds rate to 3 percent. It followed a three-fourths of a percentage point cut on Jan. 22, a day after financial markets around the world had plummeted on fears that the U.S. economy was heading into a recession. That decrease had been the biggest one-day move in more than two decades.

The half-point cut Wednesday followed news that the economy had slowed significantly in the final three months of last year with the gross domestic product expanding at a barely discernible pace of 0.6 percent, less than half what had been expected. The report came amid increased concern from several quarters about a possible recession.

In a brief statement explaining their decision, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and his colleagues said that "financial markets remain under considerable stress."

The Fed move was approved on a 9 to 1 vote. Richard Fisher, president of the Fed's Dallas regional bank, dissented, preferring no change in rates.

The rate cut marked the fifth time that the Fed has cut the funds rate since it started with a half-point cut on Sept. 18 in response to the severe credit crisis which hit global markets in August.

The latest Fed action was expected to be quickly followed by cuts in banks' prime lending rate, the benchmark rate for millions of consumer and business loans. The Fed's hope is that by making credit cheaper, it will encourage more borrowing, giving the economy a needed boost.

The Fed's half-point move met expectations of financial markets and was a bolder move than the smaller quarter-point cut that many economists had been expecting.
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lol.. he can't dance, either.
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