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AT&T and Other ISPs May Be Getting Ready to Filter

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January 8, 2008, 7:07 pm
AT&T and Other ISPs May Be Getting Ready to Filter
By Brad Stone

Tags: at and t, CES, content filtering, Copyright, digital fingerprinting, NBC, piracy

For the past fifteen years, Internet service providers have acted - to use an old cliche - as wide-open information super-highways, letting data flow uninterrupted and unimpeded between users and the Internet.
But ISPs may be about to embrace a new metaphor: traffic cop.
At a small panel discussion about digital piracy here at NBC’s booth on the Consumer Electronics Show floor, representatives from NBC, Microsoft, several digital filtering companies and telecom giant AT&T said the time was right to start filtering for copyrighted content at the network level.
Such filtering for pirated material already occurs on sites like YouTube and Microsoft’s Soapbox, and on some university networks.
Network-level filtering means your Internet service provider – Comcast, AT&T, EarthLink, or whoever you send that monthly check to – could soon start sniffing your digital packets, looking for material that infringes on someone’s copyright.
“What we are already doing to address piracy hasn’t been working. There’s no secret there,” said James Cicconi, senior vice president, external & legal affairs for AT&T.
Mr. Cicconi said that AT&T has been talking to technology companies, and members of the MPAA and RIAA, for the last six months about implementing digital fingerprinting techniques on the network level.
“We are very interested in a technology based solution and we think a network-based solution is the optimal way to approach this,” he said. “We recognize we are not there yet but there are a lot of promising technologies. But we are having an open discussion with a number of content companies, including NBC Universal, to try to explore various technologies that are out there.”
Internet civil rights organizations oppose network-level filtering, arguing that it amounts to Big Brother monitoring of free speech, and that such filtering could block the use of material that may fall under fair-use legal provisions — uses like parody, which enrich our culture.
Rick Cotton, the general counsel of NBC Universal, who has led the company’s fights against companies like YouTube for the last three years, clearly doesn’t have much tolerance for that line of thinking.
“The volume of peer-to-peer traffic online, dominated by copyrighted materials, is overwhelming. That clearly should not be an acceptable, continuing status,” he said. “The question is how we collectively collaborate to address this.”
I asked the panelists how they would respond to objections from their customers over network level filtering – for example, the kind of angry outcry Comcast saw last year, when it was accused of clamping down on BitTorrent traffic on its network.
“Whatever we do has to pass muster with consumers and with policy standards. There is going to be a spotlight on it,” said Mr. Cicconi of AT&T.
After the session, he told me that ISPs like AT&T would have to handle such network filtering delicately, and do more than just stop an upload dead in its tracks, or send a legalistic cease and desist form letter to a customer. “We’ve got to figure out a friendly way to do it, there’s no doubt about it,” he said.
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/0 ... index.html

Oh boy. I don't like this at all.
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Stick to SSL encryption and the newsgroups and those files will be yours!
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: Oh boy. I don't like this at all.
Aren't you the one who has said, on multiple occassions, "If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about"? Well there you go. This will help ensure you're not doing anything wrong. See, isn't preventive justice better? They're only doing it to protect you from yourself.
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Aslanna wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: Oh boy. I don't like this at all.
Aren't you the one who has said, on multiple occassions, "If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about"? Well there you go. This will help ensure you're not doing anything wrong. See, isn't preventive justice better? They're only doing it to protect you from yourself.

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I wonder what portion of the bill for this the members of the MPAA and RIAA are going to pay? It's their intellectual property, they should be responsible for a sensible protection\marketing\sales scheme. I don't feel I'm obligated to pay for the gaurds on their henhouse, and it's not going to be cheap.

I still wonder how much they (the MPAA and RIAA) paid MS for all the crap that's piled into Vista for their benefit.

This is going to be very expensive to implement, I wonder what the real reason is?
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Aslanna wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: Oh boy. I don't like this at all.
Aren't you the one who has said, on multiple occassions, "If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about"? Well there you go. This will help ensure you're not doing anything wrong. See, isn't preventive justice better? They're only doing it to protect you from yourself.
Right! I am doing something wrong. I use Newsleecher.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Aslanna wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: Oh boy. I don't like this at all.
Aren't you the one who has said, on multiple occassions, "If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about"? Well there you go. This will help ensure you're not doing anything wrong. See, isn't preventive justice better? They're only doing it to protect you from yourself.
Right! I am doing something wrong. I use Newsleecher.
You know exactly what I am talking about. However, I'll buy into you playing dumb. If you're not doing anything wrong then what exactly about this plan don't you like? Please explain the bigger picture to me then because I think I already have a clear view of the big picture.
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Morgrym wrote:PeerGuardian is your friend.
Amen, but EQ2 hates it. Is there a quick way to list all of SOE's servers in the allow list? Every time I think I have them all a new server gets blocked when I'm zoning.
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Aslanna wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Aslanna wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: Oh boy. I don't like this at all.
Aren't you the one who has said, on multiple occassions, "If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about"? Well there you go. This will help ensure you're not doing anything wrong. See, isn't preventive justice better? They're only doing it to protect you from yourself.
Right! I am doing something wrong. I use Newsleecher.
You know exactly what I am talking about. However, I'll buy into you playing dumb. If you're not doing anything wrong then what exactly about this plan don't you like? Please explain the bigger picture to me then because I think I already have a clear view of the big picture.
Ummm, maybe you are incapable of comprehending very well, but I just said...I am doing something wrong. That's why I'm worried. I like to download stuff from Newsleecher. I believ that would be covered under this filtering. So, I'd have to stop and that sucks. I'm not playing dumb. I'm in the wrong, therefore I have something to worry about.....get it?
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Ashur wrote:
Morgrym wrote:PeerGuardian is your friend.
Amen, but EQ2 hates it. Is there a quick way to list all of SOE's servers in the allow list? Every time I think I have them all a new server gets blocked when I'm zoning.

I don't know, I only run it when newsleeching or using utorrent. Everything else I just use Avast and it works fine with WoW. I have forgotten and left PG running and tried to play WoW to no success. You can select certain sectors to pause so you may just have to shut down the P2P function or something like that to play if you want to keep it running.
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I don't like the idea of this, but I'm not too concerned about it.

The "pirate" community is very intelligent and enterprising and I am willing to bet that it will find a way to counter any sort of filters put in place within a few hours or days of them being implemented.
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Newgroups will be around for a long time. The worst that would happen is the big name newsgroup service providers would have to move their servers out of U.S. Giganews already has servers in Europe.

I'm still amazed that Giganews can store 200 days of binaries considering how much is posted to the newsgroups daily. I'm even more amazed that Supersearch works as fast as it does while sorting through the massive amount of data it has to for that same 200 day period. It's one of those things like how PAR files work that is one of the true wonders of the world. if I was religious, I'd worship PAR files. (although I don't need them much anymore, they still save the day occasionally)
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Xouqoa wrote:The "pirate" community is very intelligent and enterprising and I am willing to bet that it will find a way to counter any sort of filters put in place within a few hours or days of them being implemented.
Turn on\add SSL. Problem solved.

Thinking on how to do this even to an unencrypted data stream, it would be pretty freaking hard to do in realtime. In a realistic scenario a good portion of it can always go through, beating static protections is trivial. I've worked with folks that develop this sort of product for years, even catching trivial stuff in a realtime data stream can be very hard.

It's like trying to identify a movie from the first few frames, but the video is blank and the audio is in a language you can only understand once you identify it and whip out you pocket translator to decode the subtitles. By then it's already changed and you have to start over.
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