Anyone know what's happening here?

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » December 7, 2007, 5:37 pm

Canelek wrote:You would spit on him. AMIRITE?>?

all at the same time.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » December 7, 2007, 6:20 pm

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5359290.html

Two burglary suspects shot by a Pasadena homeowner last month were illegal immigrants from Colombia, and one man had been deported nearly 10 years ago, authorities said Thursday.

Authorities also said they are investigating whether Diego Ortiz, 30, and Hernando Riascos Torres, 48, were part of a crime ring linked to burglaries and the use of fake immigration documents.

The two — killed by a Pasadena man Nov. 14 after he said they were trying to steal his neighbor's property — were in the country illegally, according to Leticia Zamarripa, a spokeswoman for the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Joe Horn, 61, shot Ortiz and Torres, who went by the alias Miguel Antonio DeJesus. Horn called police after hearing breaking glass. He ignored an operator's warning to not go outside with his gun.

Pasadena Police Department Capt. A.H. "Bud" Corbett said Torres was deported to Colombia in 1999 after a 1994 cocaine-related conviction. He was on parole until 2017, Corbett said.

Police found a Puerto Rican identification card on Ortiz. He had two aliases.

Torres had identification cards from Colombia, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. He had three aliases.

State and federal authorities are investigating whether the two men, who lived in southwest Houston, were involved in the crime ring, Corbett said.

Police found almost $2,000 in cash in a white bag the men allegedly took from the home in the 7400 block of Timberline before Horn shot them.

Investigators also are trying to determine whether the men knew about the home or family before burglarizing it.

"I don't believe the victim was a random choice ... but there's no evidence of a relationship either," between the homeowners and suspects, Corbett said.

Horn told the operator that he did not know his neighbors well. Neighbors said the family moved into the home next to Horn's house about four months ago.

"I can't comment," a woman at the home said over the phone Thursday night.

A source told police that Ortiz and Torres burglarized the home, in part, because the homeowners were immigrants.

"They targeted foreign-born people," Corbett said. "They felt they were easier victims."

Little is known about the homeowners, who have Vietnamese surnames.

Neighbors said they own a small business near their Village Grove East subdivision.

Records filed with the Office of the Secretary of State of Texas show that the family owns a dry cleaning business on Fairmont Parkway.

Horn has received an outpouring of support from some neighbors, friends and strangers, but the incident also has outraged activists and other neighbors.

Activists and Horn supporters clashed Sunday when they staged dueling protests outside his home. The homeowners association is trying to prevent more protests from being held in the subdivision.

Bagar- · Post by **Bagar-** » December 7, 2007, 6:24 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:
Xyun wrote:
It all boils down to the sense of satisfaction people get out of being assholes on the internet (I've never understood it), the difference is, most of these idiots wouldn't have the nerve to talk to me in person like they do here, and I wouldn't change a fucking word.
hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhah

that's great!

lol.

thanks for the laugh.

Laugh all you want moron, give me a call sometime if you are in MN. You can meet me for a drink somewhere and tell me how retarded I am, and report back to VV about where it got you. I have zero respect for people who can't back up their loud fucking mouths, and I assure you I don't fall into that category.

DON'T SPIT ON ME BRO.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » December 7, 2007, 6:27 pm

I sure keep seeing this a lot shortly after my posts:

This post was made by Bagar- who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.

I know this fucking retard understands what ignore means. Makes me wonder if he likes talking to himself - maybe that's what he was doing all those years he read here but didn't post.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » December 7, 2007, 6:30 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:I sure keep seeing this a lot shortly after my posts:

This post was made by Bagar- who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.

I know this fucking retard understands what ignore means. Makes me wonder if he likes talking to himself - maybe that's what he was doing all those years he read here but didn't post.

well, you do keep responding to Zaelath after you announced that you were ignoring him

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » December 7, 2007, 6:38 pm

Funk wrote:Laugh all you want moron, give me a call sometime if you are in MN.

Kind of an empty invitation... why the fuck would anyone voluntarily be in Minnesota?

Sorry, I don't mean to pick on Funk, I kind of agree that he gets persecuted too much... but low-hanging fruit and all that

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » December 7, 2007, 6:40 pm

Sonofabitch....

These foreign nationals were not offered the chance to call their respective embassies before they were shot while commiting a crime.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » December 7, 2007, 6:41 pm

Ashur wrote:Sonofabitch....

These foreign nationals were not offered the chance to call their respective embassies before they were shot while commiting a crime.

I bet they told them about that option, but the calls wouldn't go through since they were dead.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » December 7, 2007, 6:44 pm

Probably why the police advised the shooter to stay in his house. He probably didn't know to give them that option.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » December 7, 2007, 6:46 pm

Sueven wrote:
Funk wrote:Laugh all you want moron, give me a call sometime if you are in MN.
Kind of an empty invitation... why the fuck would anyone voluntarily be in Minnesota?

Sorry, I don't mean to pick on Funk, I kind of agree that he gets persecuted too much... but low-hanging fruit and all that

, sadly I agree with you. It's been around 0 degrees here the past week and we have 6-10 inches of snow on the ground, with more coming this weekend.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » December 7, 2007, 6:48 pm

Boogahz wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:I sure keep seeing this a lot shortly after my posts:

This post was made by Bagar- who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.

I know this fucking retard understands what ignore means. Makes me wonder if he likes talking to himself - maybe that's what he was doing all those years he read here but didn't post.

well, you do keep responding to Zaelath after you announced that you were ignoring him

Ok ok, I'll admit to a minor case of hypocrisy there. That was one thread though because he was making personal attacks, bagar~`!@#$%&^*()--+= just seems to have some kind of obsession with responding to everything I say.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » December 7, 2007, 7:00 pm

Are you seriously using the "omg i have stalkers" bullshit that Kyoukan used to pull?

God almighty Funk, get your head out of your hole.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · December 7, 2007, 7:16 pm

Nick wrote:Are you seriously using the "omg i have stalkers" bullshit that Kyoukan used to pull?

God almighty Funk, get your head out of your hole.

Yeah, what a crazy notiong for Funk to have. It's not like every time he posts a few bitter fucks post in negative immature tones against him. Oh wait, that is what happens. Nevermind.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » December 7, 2007, 7:30 pm

When do I get a stalker?

Bagar- · Post by **Bagar-** » December 7, 2007, 7:56 pm

Fash wrote:When do I get a stalker?

When you start being an ignorant fuckhead with no comprehension ability and an innate idea that everything said and done revolves around you and your opinions.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » December 7, 2007, 8:04 pm

sick burn

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » December 7, 2007, 8:24 pm

Well, he did pull the IRLPK card...

Nick · Post by **Nick** » December 7, 2007, 8:37 pm

Funkmasterrrrr would beat all of you in a duel to the dealth.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » December 7, 2007, 11:55 pm

Canelek wrote:Well, he did pull the IRLPK card...

Don't know that I would put it that way. I was pointing out that A- most of the people that run their mouths here wouldn't have the nerve to say it to me (or anyone, for that matter) face to face (this is fact, not opinion.) B- I am most certainly not that way, crack all the jokes or make all the assumptions you want - I guess no one will know until it's tested and C) If anyone talked to my face like some of the idiots here do - I would pounce on them. Did I say I would win? No? But I'll be god damned if I'm not going to at least try.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » December 7, 2007, 11:59 pm

Nick wrote:Are you seriously using the "omg i have stalkers" bullshit that Kyoukan used to pull?

God almighty Funk, get your head out of your hole.

Are you seriously trying to tell me I don't? Within 10 minutes of me making any post that any of you (yes, you are included) could find any possible way to disagree with me and be a cock in the process - one of you is right there doing exactly that. In this category I would definitely put yourself, zaelath, bagar~`*&!^@*#&^@$#, spang, hmm. Not sure who else.

You find me one reason for what happens to be interpreted any other way. (hint: saying that everything I say is so gosh darn stupid and frustrating that you have to reply is not a valid reason***, so don't even bother saying anything like that.)

*** - I will explain why if you are too simple minded to figure it out on your own.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » December 8, 2007, 12:05 am

You post, someone replies, that's the nature of forums, idiot. Don't get so up your own arse and try and be a Kyoukan wannabe.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » December 8, 2007, 12:09 am

Nick wrote:You post, someone replies, that's the nature of forums, idiot. Don't get so up your own arse and try and be a Kyoukan wannabe.

You're kidding? Right?! Ok, I have one of the handful of people I posted above hurling personal insults at me damn near every time I post, regardless of the subject - but that's just normal! If it's normal then who are 3 or 4 people that start tossing insults at you every single time you post? Or who could x person on this site list? NO ONE.. So um, not normal. Nice try though.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » December 8, 2007, 12:16 am

Quit saying stupid shit. If you stop saying stupid shit, people will stop calling you names and hurting your feelings.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » December 8, 2007, 12:42 am

Funkmasterr wrote:
Nick wrote:You post, someone replies, that's the nature of forums, idiot. Don't get so up your own arse and try and be a Kyoukan wannabe.
You're kidding? Right?! Ok, I have one of the handful of people I posted above hurling personal insults at me damn near every time I post, regardless of the subject - but that's just normal! If it's normal then who are 3 or 4 people that start tossing insults at you every single time you post? Or who could x person on this site list? NO ONE.. So um, not normal. Nice try though.

Oh fuck up you whiny little self righteous bitch. If you don't like people calling you names maybe Veeshanvault isn't for you. Get the fuck over yourself.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » December 8, 2007, 12:55 am

Spang wrote:Quit saying stupid shit. If you stop saying stupid shit, people will stop calling you names and hurting your feelings.

Try again. I should have just as much of an opportunity to post here without being constantly attacked as anyone else, but just because I don't share the common beliefs that most of you do that's out the window. If it hurt my feelings, I would have stopped posting long ago, it annoys the living shit out of me - big difference.

That's 26 out of spang's last 51 posts now, btw.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » December 8, 2007, 12:57 am

It's kind of hard not to post about you when nearly every thread in this forum is about you...

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » December 8, 2007, 12:57 am

lol. Funk, stop daydreaming.

Bagar- · Post by **Bagar-** » December 8, 2007, 5:30 am

When your dumbfuck replies don't clutter up every thread in an annoying and generally miscontstrued manner to the point of which no one can make a single reply that disagrees with your stance without you acting like a little cuntbitch about it, then people won't be stalking you.

When you didn't post here for a few weeks, it was a lot more pleasant.

And I know you have me on ignore, I also know that it probabaly annoys you so badly to see my posts that you click the view button and read them anyhow, like the predictable, clueless sloth that you are.

I hope you don't have any airforce buddies you polesmoking fuckface, because then you'd be a really fucking terrifying presence on these forums.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » December 8, 2007, 1:05 pm

If you idiots would stop egging him on, it would be a much more peaceful place for everyone. I guess you wouldn't have anything to bitch about then, would you?

Asheran Mojomaster · Post by **Asheran Mojomaster** » December 8, 2007, 3:58 pm

I'll admit I quit reading most of this thread when it went to "he was right to kill them" then "NO HE WASNT! MURDERERERERER!" back and forth...but I don't think the guy should get charged with murder, at least not with the known facts so far. He went out to help his neighbors, and sure he brought his gun with him...I would assume someone robbing my neighbor had a gun themselves. Now if the guys were trying to run away and he shot them in the back thats one thing, but if they approached him in any way, he would probably have felt threatened and shot. I can't say how this should go down. I guess its down to witnesses (hopefully someone in another house at least saw something), and the police department to investigate what exactly happened. If they did come into his yard or aggressively move toward him he should be a free man IMO, otherwise he should get SOME charge depending on exactly what happened.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » December 8, 2007, 4:15 pm

Bottom line is this, racial shit aside:

If I lived in Texas and I saw two guys breaking into my neighbors house and 'if' I owned a gun, I would confront them. If they confronted back, I would shoot them. Basically, two morons tried to rob a place and were stopped. Was it excessive? Maybe. Was the guy in the wrong for shooting them? I do not know at this juncture, possibly. Do I really give a shit about two criminally retarded individuals getting offed? I will not lose sleep over it.

Bagar- · Post by **Bagar-** » December 8, 2007, 4:17 pm

Asheran Mojomaster wrote:I'll admit I quit reading most of this thread when it went to "he was right to kill them" then "NO HE WASNT! MURDERERERERER!" back and forth...but I don't think the guy should get charged with murder, at least not with the known facts so far. He went out to help his neighbors, and sure he brought his gun with him...I would assume someone robbing my neighbor had a gun themselves. Now if the guys were trying to run away and he shot them in the back thats one thing, but if they approached him in any way, he would probably have felt threatened and shot. I can't say how this should go down. I guess its down to witnesses (hopefully someone in another house at least saw something), and the police department to investigate what exactly happened. If they did come into his yard or aggressively move toward him he should be a free man IMO, otherwise he should get SOME charge depending on exactly what happened.

Maybe you missed it, but the police told him to stay the fuck in his house about 20 times, and his neighbor wasn't even home (which he knew). He went out looking to shoot someone for no legitimate reason other than the fact that in his ignorant, hick mind it was the right thing to do, and he did, pretty fucking cut and dry.

Now I don't support the individuals robbing his house, nor the black panthers, but he needs to have some charges brought against him, or it sets a pretty fucking bad precedent.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » December 8, 2007, 4:18 pm

Bagar- wrote:Maybe you missed it, but the police told him to stay the fuck in his house about 20 times, and his neighbor wasn't even home (which he knew). He went out looking to shoot someone for no legitimate reason other than the fact that in his ignorant, hick mind it was the right thing to do, and he did, pretty fucking cut and dry.

Maybe you also missed the part where they came into his yard. If they had just robbed the neighbor's house and made their way onto his property, the situation is not the same.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » December 8, 2007, 11:25 pm

Funkmasterr wrote: Ok ok, I'll admit to a minor case of hypocrisy there. That was one thread though because he was making personal attacks, bagar~`!@#$%&^*()--+= just seems to have some kind of obsession with responding to everything I say.

I quickly established that you were the one making personal attacks, so how about you try again to make another incoherent justifcation for your inability to not look.

Or are you going to spit in my face and claim "he started it" when the officers get there? Fuckwit.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » December 8, 2007, 11:26 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Nick wrote:Are you seriously using the "omg i have stalkers" bullshit that Kyoukan used to pull?

God almighty Funk, get your head out of your hole.
Yeah, what a crazy notiong for Funk to have. It's not like every time he posts a few bitter fucks post in negative immature tones against him. Oh wait, that is what happens. Nevermind.

You're the funniest comedian working in pure irony today. Good show.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » December 8, 2007, 11:32 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:
Canelek wrote:Well, he did pull the IRLPK card...
Don't know that I would put it that way. I was pointing out that A- most of the people that run their mouths here wouldn't have the nerve to say it to me (or anyone, for that matter) face to face (this is fact, not opinion.) B- I am most certainly not that way, crack all the jokes or make all the assumptions you want - I guess no one will know until it's tested and C) If anyone talked to my face like some of the idiots here do - I would pounce on them. Did I say I would win? No? But I'll be god damned if I'm not going to at least try.

Oh, I would. I really, really, would. If you decided to come out with some of the ignorant crap in person that you came out with in here, and in the inflamatory tones you use, I'd take the bait.

I think you're trying to say I would be scared of your pudgy Minnesotan frame? Umm no.

I am afraid travelling to that shithole again, is quite out of the question though, and to be frank I don't know if you have some kind of inbred relative on the local police force that enables you to express your illiterate rage through the medium of a clenched fist without repercussions. However, if you're ever in Canberra I'll happily meet you in a public place.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » December 9, 2007, 10:40 am

Maybe you also missed the part where they came into his yard.

Source?

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » December 9, 2007, 11:35 am

Nick wrote:
Maybe you also missed the part where they came into his yard.
Source?

From the 911 dispatch call:

"Get the law over here quick. I've now, get, one of them's in the front yard over there, he's down, he almost run down the street. I had no choice. They came in the front yard with me, man, I had no choice! ... Get somebody over here quick, man."

From the plainclothes police witness:

The two burglary suspects killed by Pasadena homeowner Joe Horn were shot in the back after they ventured into his front yard, police disclosed Friday.

In another twist, investigators revealed that a plainclothes Pasadena detective witnessed the Nov. 14 shootings after he pulled up in an unmarked car seconds before Horn fired three shots from his 12-gauge shotgun.

The men, who had just burglarized Horn's neighbor's house, faced him from seven to 10 feet away when they ignored his order to "not move"or they would be dead, police said.

...

Corbett said the plainclothes detective, whose name has not been released, had parked in front of Horn's house in response to the 911 call. He saw the men between Horn's house and his neighbor's before they crossed into Horn's front yard.

Corbett believes neither Horn nor the men knew a police officer was present.

"It was over within seconds. The detective never had time to say anything before the shots were fired," Corbett said. "At first, the officer was assessing the situation. Then he was worried Horn might mistake him for the 'wheel man' (get-away driver). He ducked at one point."

When Horn confronted the suspects in his yard, he raised his shotgun to his shoulder, Corbett said. However the men ignored his order to freeze.

Corbett said one man ran toward Horn, but had angled away from him toward the street when he was shot in the back just before reaching the curb.

"The detective confirmed that this suspect was actually closer to Horn after he initiated his run than at the time when first confronted," said Corbett. "Horn said he felt in jeopardy."

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » December 9, 2007, 12:52 pm

Seems on the level to me. Looks like a lot of tragic circumstances happened in a very short amount of time. I'm not losing any sleep over it. I hope the Texan dosen't get charged though.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » December 9, 2007, 6:05 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:Seems on the level to me. Looks like a lot of tragic circumstances happened in a very short amount of time. I'm not losing any sleep over it. I hope the Texan dosen't get charged though.

Really? You don't find the "I shot him in the back as he ran towards me" defense is a little thin?

laneela · Post by **laneela** » December 9, 2007, 8:52 pm

Zaelath wrote:
Fairweather Pure wrote:Seems on the level to me. Looks like a lot of tragic circumstances happened in a very short amount of time. I'm not losing any sleep over it. I hope the Texan dosen't get charged though.
Really? You don't find the "I shot him in the back as he ran towards me" defense is a little thin?

I was wondering why no one was pointing out that one of the bodies was found a few houses down and the other in the neighbour's yard, both shot in the back. I think that kinda kills the self-defense ummmm... defense. Well, I don't know... I've never been shot in the back with a shotgun from a few feet away (as they would've been if they were in his yard) but I don't think I'd manage to run a few yards if I were to have been.

I'm not saying the guy is a douchebag and deserves to rot in jail because I don't know. I haven't had all of the evidence presented to me. What I am saying is that like everybody who has committed a crime (the two guys he murdered included), he needs to be charged and go through the system so that people who *have* been presented with all the evidence and heard the prosecution and defense's argument can make an educated decision. You know.... the way the 6th ammendment guarentees. USA! USA! USA!

VariaVespasa · Post by **VariaVespasa** » December 10, 2007, 12:51 am

If you have an open mind on the subject you shouldnt really be using the word "murdered" rather than "killed" before an official verdict is in. It conflicts with the "I'm not saying..." in the second paragraph.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » December 10, 2007, 1:07 am

Is that serious?

laneela's not a lawyer making a legal argument and has no obligation to use 'murder' as a term of art. This man killed two other men by shooting them. Her using the word 'murder' to describe what happened does not mean that she thinks they're legally guilty of the crime of murder. That should be clear from the context of her post to anyone who's not a retard.

But you're not serious, right?

VariaVespasa · Post by **VariaVespasa** » December 10, 2007, 4:03 am

Yes I'm serious.

She's got no obligation to use the word as a term of art, but its certainly strongly suggestive of her opinion on the matter, as are her comments about "shot in the back", "kinda kills the self-defence claim" and "several houses away". Taken as a whole I just dont buy the conjunction of that word choice and the claim to not have already made up her mind. If its a bad choice of words then, as I said, she should tweak it so it doesnt create the conflicting impression. And if it is the word she intended, then she should own that opinion, rather than trying to appear to be sitting on the fence. As it stands the "I'm not saying..." bit of the second paragraph just rings hollow and false to me. Granted, my phrasing wasnt optimal either, so I'll see if I can improve it, but the basic sentiment I stand by.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » December 10, 2007, 11:01 am

laneela wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
Fairweather Pure wrote:Seems on the level to me. Looks like a lot of tragic circumstances happened in a very short amount of time. I'm not losing any sleep over it. I hope the Texan dosen't get charged though.
Really? You don't find the "I shot him in the back as he ran towards me" defense is a little thin?
I was wondering why no one was pointing out that one of the bodies was found a few houses down and the other in the neighbour's yard, both shot in the back. I think that kinda kills the self-defense ummmm... defense. Well, I don't know... I've never been shot in the back with a shotgun from a few feet away (as they would've been if they were in his yard) but I don't think I'd manage to run a few yards if I were to have been.

I'm not saying the guy is a douchebag and deserves to rot in jail because I don't know. I haven't had all of the evidence presented to me. What I am saying is that like everybody who has committed a crime (the two guys he murdered included), he needs to be charged and go through the system so that people who *have* been presented with all the evidence and heard the prosecution and defense's argument can make an educated decision. You know.... the way the 6th ammendment guarentees. USA! USA! USA!

Dick Cheney shot a man in the face, neck, and upper torso with a shotgun and he lived. I don't find it too far-fetched that one of them managed to get several houses away before he fell. I can also see how they would have ran towards the man in the dark and tried to turn to run away as soon as they heard the shotgun shell loading, thus getting hit in the back.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » December 10, 2007, 11:50 am

Unlike the movies, people do not crumple to the ground or pitch backwards 20 feet and immediately die when shot. The only way to drop someone instantly is if you sever the spinal cord with the shot or if you have a head shot that completely destroys the cortex. In most cases, even a fatal shot to the heart will leave the victim with enough blood and oxygen to perform for 10-14 seconds.

I guess a police officer actually witnessing the event and saying they charged him should have no bearing. In Texas, with the castle defense doctrine, it is pretty cut and dried if they came onto his property and came aqt him as the officer said.

Good riddance to another 2 pieces of shit. It is just a shame some neighbor did not shoot and kill the 4 pieces of scum that broke into Sean Taylor's house.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · December 10, 2007, 12:33 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Unlike the movies, people do not crumple to the ground or pitch backwards 20 feet and immediately die when shot. The only way to drop someone instantly is if you sever the spinal cord with the shot or if you have a head shot that completely destroys the cortex. In most cases, even a fatal shot to the heart will leave the victim with enough blood and oxygen to perform for 10-14 seconds.

I guess a police officer actually witnessing the event and saying they charged him should have no bearing. In Texas, with the castle defense doctrine, it is pretty cut and dried if they came onto his property and came aqt him as the officer said.

Good riddance to another 2 pieces of shit. It is just a shame some neighbor did not shoot and kill the 4 pieces of scum that broke into Sean Taylor's house.

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