Dalai Lama award "gravely undermined" relations with China

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 18, 2007, 3:14 pm

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

BEIJING (AP) - China warned the United States on Thursday that its honoring of the Dalai Lama "gravely undermined" relations between the two countries, demanding Washington stop supporting the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader and take steps to repair ties.

The Foreign Ministry statement was the most vociferous yet in weeks of protests against Congress' decision to award the Dalai Lama its highest civilian honor, personally bestowed by President Bush in a ceremony Wednesday.

"The move of the United States is a blatant interference with China's internal affairs which has severely hurt the feelings of the Chinese people and gravely undermined the relations between China and the United States," Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao told reporters.

In a sign of Beijing's pique, Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi also summoned U.S. Ambassador Clark Randt to formally protest the giving of the award.

The Dalai Lama is lauded in much of the world as a figure of moral authority, but China reviles him as a Tibetan separatist. The 72-year- old monk and Nobel Peace Prize laureate reiterated in Washington that he wants "real autonomy" for Tibet, not independence.

The strains over the Dalai Lama come as the U.S. and China try to manage a host of issues that have tested their abilities to cooperate. While the two have worked closely on North Korea, their positions are further apart in pressuring Iran over its nuclear program and Myanmar for crushing a democracy movement. Friction also persists over trade and Taiwan.

The decision by Washington to honor the Dalai Lama is a setback to Beijing's efforts to lend legitimacy to China's often harsh rule over Tibet and undermine support for the spiritual leader, who remains popular among Tibetans despite fleeing into exile 48 years ago after a failed uprising.

Thousands of Tibetan exiles celebrated the award Thursday in Dharmsala, the Indian town where the Dalai Lama set up his government in exile. Tibetan flags, which are banned in Chinese-controlled Tibet, flew from buildings. Shops and schools were closed, and the exiles had a daylong picnic with dance performances at the Dalai Lama's Tsuglakhang temple.

"This award doesn't just honor the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan people but all the peace-loving people in the world," said Dawa Tsering, a parliamentarian in the government in exile.

Liu, the Chinese spokesman, said Washington's actions encouraged Tibetan separatists, and demanded it take corrective action.

"China urges the United States to take effective measures immediately to remove the terrible impact of its erroneous act, cease supporting and conniving with the separatist activities of the Tibet independence forces ... and take concrete steps to protect China-U.S. relations," Liu said.

Though Beijing warned earlier this week of serious consequences, Liu refused to say what China would do and did not specify what redress Washington should make.

China pulled out of a planned strategy session the U.S. had arranged on Iran Wednesday, citing "technical reasons," but said the countries involved would discuss setting another meeting date.

Despite the bluster, Beijing is unlikely to take actions that would jeopardize relations with the U.S., its largest trading partner, and increasingly a diplomatic one, experts said.

"I think there will be meetings postponed or canceled," said Joseph Fewsmith, a Chinese politics expert and professor at Boston University. But "I don't think that China wants to throw the whole relationship into difficulty because of this particular meeting."

Besides the access to the valuable American market, China is also counting on the Bush administration to rein in Taiwan, which Beijing considers a renegade province. Taiwan's democratic government has taken steps toward formalizing the de facto independence it has enjoyed since splitting from China 58 years ago—moves that Beijing has said could bring war.

"China's future development is so closely tied to a functional relationship with the U.S. that it's hard to see it really wishing to damage that in any fundamental way," said Tony Saich, a professor of international affairs at Harvard University.

Comparing this to the Armenian debacle, this is at least a current event.. an ongoing saga that we're somewhat split between. We value our relationship with China, yet we support Tibet and Taiwan in their struggle for autonomy/independence. This is a tightrope I would not want to walk.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 18, 2007, 3:19 pm

I met the Dalai Lama, he was quite cool. And he hails from Tibet, not Taiwan, will the US be appeasing two countries in one week?

I think they should tell China to feck away off.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 18, 2007, 3:23 pm

Nick wrote:I met the Dalai Lama, he was quite cool. And he hails from Tibet, not Taiwan, will the US be appeasing two countries in one week?

I think they should tell China to feck away off.

I agree with nick!

Sorry China, that we won't help and support you in your efforts to oppress the Tibetan people.. Maybe the Chinese should take a look at how/why the United States was founded? It might give them a little insight as to why we might be handling this situation like we are.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 18, 2007, 4:22 pm

I'd make a new thread but this seems to be related...

CHINA has hijacked (redirected) GOOGLE, YAHOO, and MICROSOFT to their own search engine.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

US Internet search engines in China were being hijacked and directed to Chinese-owned Baidu, analysts said Wednesday, speculating that this may be retaliation for the White House award to exiled Tibetan leader the Dalai Lama.

Analysts at Search Engine Roundtable, a website focusing on Internet search, said Chinese users trying to search on Google, Yahoo and Microsoft websites were being directed to the Chinese search engine.

"It seems like China is fed up with the US, so as a way to fight back, they redirected virtually all search traffic from Google, Yahoo and Microsoft to Baidu, the Chinese based search engine," the analysts wrote.

The authors said it was not clear exactly how or why the searches were being redirected, but China is known for tightly controlling the Internet and using a variety of filters to screen out search results for issues relating to dissidents or the Tibetan spiritual leader.

On Wednesday, US President George W. Bush called for an end to "religious repression" in China as he defiantly became the first US leader to appear in public with the Dalai Lama.

The exiled Tibetan spiritual leader accepted the Congressional Gold Medal, lawmakers' highest civilian honor, in a formal ceremony in the US Capitol's ornate Rotunda -- a move certain to further enrage leaders in Beijing.

TechCrunch analyst Duncan Riley also cited the "hijacking" and added, "the redirects are more widespread than we first thought" and the sites including YouTube and Live.com were being blocked.

"There is some suggestion that the news of the Dalai Lama being awarded a prize by US President George W. Bush may be behind the move, but this is unable to be confirmed," Riley said.

"I've written previously on the possibility that China may use its firewall as an economic tool as opposed to a censorship tool alone, and although censorship may be partially behind today's blanket ban of US search sites, the redirect to Baidu would indicate an economic motive."

Digital Market Blog said it was able to confirm the hijacking as well.

"In our office there's about 30 machines ... If you do a search on Yahoo.com (any search) you get redirected to Baidu (as shown below) and shown Chinese results," the analysts from the site wrote.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 18, 2007, 4:24 pm

China is pretty ridiculous tbh.

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » October 18, 2007, 8:51 pm

If that undermines our relations...they need to be undermined...

Asheran Mojomaster · October 18, 2007, 10:01 pm

Besides the access to the valuable American market, China is also counting on the Bush administration to rein in Taiwan, which Beijing considers a renegade province. Taiwan's democratic government has taken steps toward formalizing the de facto independence it has enjoyed since splitting from China 58 years ago—moves that Beijing has said could bring war.

Well my fiancee is Taiwanese, her parents moved here from Taiwan before getting married. They take trips home at least once a year. Taiwan is a democratic country and is not in any way part of China. That sucks that they say they could go to war to take it back. I wonder if anyone would stand up and fight for Taiwan?

Truant · Post by **Truant** » October 19, 2007, 3:33 pm

Asheran Mojomaster wrote:Taiwan is a democratic country and is not in any way part of China.

According to Taiwan. Not according to China. Just clarifying.

Asheran Mojomaster · Post by **Asheran Mojomaster** » October 25, 2007, 3:08 pm

Truant wrote:
Asheran Mojomaster wrote:Taiwan is a democratic country and is not in any way part of China.
According to Taiwan. Not according to China. Just clarifying.

So if England were to say we were still a renegade colony and not our own country what then? Lol, you would think that today the people living in a place would be the ones to decide what they are, not a country that isnt even connected to them by land.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » October 25, 2007, 3:11 pm

Asheran, England DID say we were renegade colonies and we had a little war over the matter in case you skipped history throughout your education.

Taiwan, while maintaining independence, has yet to formally declare it and China has basically said doing so would be a trigger for all sorts of nastiness.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 25, 2007, 3:12 pm

Asheran Mojomaster wrote:
Truant wrote:
Asheran Mojomaster wrote:Taiwan is a democratic country and is not in any way part of China.
According to Taiwan. Not according to China. Just clarifying.
So if England were to say we were still a renegade colony and not our own country what then? Lol, you would think that today the people living in a place would be the ones to decide what they are, not a country that isnt even connected to them by land.

Except if England tried that, we would beat them like the little pathetic bitches they are and piss all over their collective corpses without breaking a sweat.

Taiwan is not capable of defending itself like that, they would be obliterated if it came to any kind of fighting.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 25, 2007, 3:44 pm

Any such attempt would result in your country being destroyed as well, you fucking moron.

Keep flexing the yankpeen though, that never gets boring.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 25, 2007, 3:48 pm

Nick wrote:Which would result in mutually assured destruction for both countries?

Keep flexing the yankpeen though, that never gets boring.

England would not stand a chance against us, that's the point, and it is not disputable, at all.

For the other two countries in question, it is the exact opposite case.. that is the point, don't try and turn it into anything else besides that, or read into the comment any further, please, I've had enough of that bullshit the past few days.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 25, 2007, 3:49 pm

Not that the US would ever dare try anything so retarded anyway, but hypothetically, if all options were on the table, its goodbye both countries.

Keep deluding yourself that you're invincible though, idiot.

!At all = No other country except the US has nuclear weapons

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 25, 2007, 3:51 pm

Nick has a point.. it's called Mutually Assured Destruction, and is precisely the reason we don't want every backwards country going Nuclear.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 25, 2007, 3:52 pm

Nick wrote:England has nuclear weapons too moron. Not that the US would dare try anything anyway, but hypothetically, if all options were on the table, its goodbye both countries.

Keep deluding yourself that you're invincible though, idiot.

Even if I were to concede MY point to YOU (hypothetically speaking, of course), my point STILL exposes the flaw in what asheran was saying..

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 25, 2007, 3:54 pm

Ah, good, so effectively we're agreed that you were talking shit then.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 25, 2007, 3:57 pm

Nick wrote:Ah, good, so effectively we're agreed that you were talking shit then.

Only if we agree that what I said (even if it would have negative effects on the US as well) still points out the flaw in the theory it was aimed at..

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 25, 2007, 3:59 pm

It was irrelevant whether you agreed or not.

What type of gung ho fuckwit comes off with that sort of nonsense in the first place?

Post by **Sylvus** » October 25, 2007, 4:16 pm

Nick wrote:Any such attempt would result in your country being destroyed as well, you fucking moron.

Keep flexing the yankpeen though, that never gets boring.

The analogy was one where a "colony" believed itself to be independent of the nation who originally controlled it, and the outcomes of those "colonies" declaring their independence was then postulated. To what "attempt" do you refer? The United States declaring their independence? No one was suggesting that the United States should attack England (even Funk was just referring to what would happen if England tried to start some shit). They were contrasting the differences between why the US could (we did, remember?) claim independence, and Taiwan could not. Read: relative strength of the "colony" vs. their "master". Sure, mutually assured destruction is one course that could happen (now), and probably the closest thing to "victory" that England could hope for (in my opinion), but I just can't picture nukes being fired on a "colony" that was declaring independence.

Do you really think that China would nuke Taiwan? Kind of defeats the purpose of wanting them (Taiwan) as their (China's) own, unless they were going for a "if we can't have you, no one can" type of situation.

All peen-flexing aside, short of nuclear mutually assured destruction, do you believe that if England decided tomorrow that we were still a part of their "empire" that there is anything they could do to back that up? Because China sure as shit could back it up against Taiwan, and that's all that people were trying to illustrate to Asheran.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 25, 2007, 4:19 pm

That's not what I'm arguing, or highlighting, or disagreeing with.

I was pointing out the fucking retarded comment because it deserved to be pointed out.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 25, 2007, 4:21 pm

Then I will point out that you're BOTH acting like idiots.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 25, 2007, 4:28 pm

Oh alright, let's just let retarded comments go unmentioned then, since that really adds to the level of discourse

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 25, 2007, 5:20 pm

Nick wrote:Oh alright, let's just let retarded comments go unmentioned then, since that really adds to the level of discourse

and going back and forth with the person posting retarded comments helps?

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 25, 2007, 5:23 pm

Arguably, yes. Maybe eventually that sort of nonsense will be cut out and the person will realise that being a moron isn't helping.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 25, 2007, 5:24 pm

hasn't worked with you so far...

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 25, 2007, 5:31 pm

haven't you got another pointless thread to go create?

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » October 25, 2007, 6:06 pm

england couldn't bite our style thug

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 25, 2007, 7:00 pm

Nick wrote:Arguably, yes. Maybe eventually that sort of nonsense will be cut out and the person will realise that being a moron isn't helping.

I had a valid point, you not liking the way it was presented was completely beside the point and off topic. I didn't say "We should go fuck up England, America FUCK YEAH!" I just said that if they started the shit - we would end it. You then said that it would end up in nuclear war and us all being teh dead, I agreed with you.

Can we all get over it and fucking move on already. Jesus fucking jew christ, seriously.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 25, 2007, 7:02 pm

Oh what a load of bullshit, you couldn't have been any more "FUCK YEAH!" about it if you'd tried.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 25, 2007, 7:05 pm

Nick wrote:Oh what a load of bullshit, you couldn't have been any more "FUCK YEAH!" about it if you'd tried.

You're right.

This is how I'm going to start answering threads here, save myself the energy since it's obviously wasted. Not to mention that's all anyone here wants to hear anyhow.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » October 25, 2007, 7:08 pm

I dunno, I work with two guys from Taiwan. One of them used to chase tornadoes (on purpose) in Oklahoma...don't underestimate them!

Asheran Mojomaster · Post by **Asheran Mojomaster** » October 26, 2007, 4:41 am

Sorry, jesus I didn't mean to get a bunch of shit going. I was reading wrong and thought that Taiwan FORMALLY split over 50 years ago. They didn't, they just left and started doing their own thing. That being said, I still don't think China has any right to consider them part of China as Taiwan has been handling their own country for that long. Not that it matters either way. If China wants Taiwan, there isn't a whole lot they can do about it. I'm just hoping that someone will have the balls to stand up to them.

Neroon · Post by **Neroon** » October 27, 2007, 7:15 am

Your point is invalid on the US vs. UK thing Nick. We have an INPENETRABLE MISSLE SHIELD1!!11!!!

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 30, 2007, 12:21 pm

http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/fe ... 76527.html

China warns Canada after PM Harper meets Dalai Lama

BEIJING (XFN-ASIA) - China has hit out at Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper's meeting with the Dalai Lama, warning that the move has seriously hurt bilateral ties.

Defying warnings from China, Harper met with the Tibetan spiritual leader for 40 minutes yesterday in what the Canadian government described as an 'historic meeting'.

'This kind of action from Canada has seriously hurt Chinese people's feelings and seriously undermined Sino-Canadian relations,' foreign ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao told a press conference here.

Liu reiterated China's position that Tibet is regarded as part of its territory, insisting Canada's meeting with the Dalai Lama 'grossly interfered with China's internal affairs.'

'China expresses its strong dissatisfaction and opposition to that.'

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » October 30, 2007, 12:58 pm

I met with the Dalai Lama...expect a press release from Beijing about the degradation of
Sino-Cajun-Burundian Relations resulting from this historical meeting presently...

Asheran Mojomaster · Post by **Asheran Mojomaster** » October 31, 2007, 2:12 am

Jesus, what is with China? I know they are growing up and getting stronger economically but they seem like a little kid going through the "MINE!" phase. And its not like the guy can even go back to Tibet, he would be arrested and probably killed.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » October 31, 2007, 11:38 am

The thing with China, you see, is to them the Dalai Lama is a "Rebel Leader". He's working for the cause of independence for Tibet, which (like Taiwan!) China claims as part of their country.

So naturally, nations that praise this "rebel leader" and give him awards and encouragement pisses them the fuck off.

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » October 31, 2007, 1:57 pm

I wonder if him praying for tibetan independence makes him a buddhist terrorist...