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Colbert in '08

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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008 ... 656&page=1
With its snack-food sponsorship, Democratic and Republican affiliations, and Sen. Larry Craig as a possible running mate, Stephen Colbert's run for the presidency is hardly serious business.

But the joke could be on Colbert if federal election officials decide his candidacy is for real.

If his campaign plays out the way he's indicated that it will, Comedy Central and Colbert's sponsor, Doritos, could be violating federal laws that bar corporations from backing political campaigns, election law experts say.

"How serious can you get about running as a joke?" said Massie Ritsch, communications director for the Center for Responsive Politics, a non-partisan group that tracks campaign finances. "The Federal Election Commission doesn't have a great sense of humor."

Feds May Take Colbert Seriously

Federal law bars corporations from contributing to candidates, either through donations or in-kind contributions such as free use of goods or services.

Media organizations are permitted to feature presidential candidates in covering campaigns.

But no precedent exists for a television network promoting and fostering a candidacy of one of its own talk-show hosts, said Lawrence M. Noble, a former general counsel for the Federal Election Commission. And comedian Pat Paulsen's 1968 candidacy predated current campaign finance regulations.

"The real problem comes in the fact that he actually has his own show, talking about his campaign, paid for by a network," Noble said. "These are the kind of things on slow days you'd debate until the late afternoon at the FEC, but there are serious questions that come up. In theory, he could end up having some campaign finance problems."

While he has talked about his candidacy publicly only in character -- as the combative faux-talk-show host who favors "truthiness" on "The Colbert Report" -- Colbert is taking formal steps that are consistent with an actual presidential candidacy.

He has begun collecting signatures to get himself placed on both the Democratic and Republican presidential primary ballots in South Carolina.

And while he has said he's in the race to run, not to win, he has talked about trying to win delegates to the Democratic National Convention.

"I think a lot of people are asking whether -- they say, 'Is this, is this real,' you know?" Colbert said Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press." "And to which I would say to everybody, this is not a dream, OK? You're not going to wake up from this, OK? I'm far realer than Sam Brownback, let me put it that way."


After being alerted to a possible election law violation, he and the network dropped plans to post signature forms on Comedy Central's Web site, and instead created a bare-bones Web site for official campaign activity, http://www.colbert08.org.

On Thursday's program, he held up what he said was a letter from a Washington election lawyer, and made the legal framework part of his schtick.

"In accepting corporate money, I promise to respect federal election laws the same way I respect the must-shower-before-swimming law at the Y," Colbert said. "As a candidate, I am under no obligation to promote the zesty, robust taste of Doritos brand tortilla chips, regardless of how great a snack they may be for lunchtime, munch time, anytime."

He also said that, because of election laws, Doritos would technically be sponsoring not his candidacy but his program's coverage of his candidacy.

"It's illegal for my crunch money here to pay for the campaign, but it is legal for it to pay for my show, and the show can report on my campaign," he said. "Host: 'Eat them.' Candidate: 'I just happen to like 'em.' "


But even if Doritos has found a way around the ban on corporate donations, that doesn't address the issue of Comedy Central's promotion of a candidacy.

Noble said it would pretty clearly violate the law for the owner of a cable station to decide to give a talk show -- or otherwise hand over editorial control of a program -- to a favored candidate.

Comedy Central representatives did not immediately return calls seeking comment

Noble said that one key threshold for the FEC to consider will be whether he's an actual candidate for federal office. By one definition, a candidate is anyone who has raised or spent at least $5,000 to pursue office, Noble said.

No danger there yet for Colbert. As he put it Thursday, he has raised "zero-point-no-million dollars" for his campaign.

"As a practical matter, I'd think the FEC is going to stay out of it unless he starts soliciting a lot of money," Noble said. "If he was to start soliciting contributions, it could be a lot more serious."

The FEC could consider Colbert's entire campaign satire, which may allow corporate backing under the exemption that allows media organizations to report and comment on candidates as they choose.

But Colbert's continued candidacy makes it more likely that he'll actually have an impact on the election -- which makes him difficult to ignore, Noble said.

"Everybody is very cautious, not wanting to take this too seriously, or to say that campaign finance laws are going to stop satire, or what is clearly a joke," he said. "But he's trying to get on the ballot, and he could in fact affect the election."
Interesting issues here with campaign financing... It would be interesting if he were able to run and be serious without requiring too much money to run the campaign. I guess that's up to the FEC.

Would you vote for him?
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Fash wrote:Would you vote for him?
Considering I don't live in South Carolina.. No. And no again even if I did.
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No. He's hilarious but he's clearly not a serious candidate.

To the voters of SC I would ask "Why the fuck would you waste your vote for someone running as a prank?".
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Ashur wrote:No. He's hilarious but he's clearly not a serious candidate.

To the voters of SC I would ask "Why the fuck would you waste your vote for someone running as a prank?".
Well don't ~40% not vote at all? If they have no interest in the election but could go vote for Colbert for shits and giggles\fuck with the man\etc etc perhaps they will.
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Forthe wrote:Well don't ~40% not vote at all? If they have no interest in the election but could go vote for Colbert for shits and giggles\fuck with the man\etc etc perhaps they will.
I'd rather people find other ways to do that. If you're going to go out and vote at least take it seriously and vote for someone you think will make a difference. If people have no interest in the election they should do us a favor and just stay home.
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Why they should "stay home" for everyone elses benefit when they have the same right as any other asshole to vote is beyond me.
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Nick wrote:Why they should "stay home" for everyone elses benefit when they have the same right as any other asshole to vote is beyond me.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Nick wrote:Why they should "stay home" for everyone elses benefit when they have the same right as any other asshole to vote is beyond me.
What you'll learn as you get older.....you don't always know what's best for other people. Your opinion isn't always the right one. *tussles your hair*
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Sylvus wrote:Tussle means "fight". Tousle means "mess up".
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I enjoy Colbert and Stewart a lot but I'm of two minds about this.

I can see the FEC guy's point about Colbert following the forms too closely and getting on the ballot, and having his own pet coverage (joking though it is), setting a bad precedent. In a way this is exactly why Fred Thompson had to leave (or take a leave of absence, whatever he did) from Law and Order. Can you imagine the reaction of the Democrats if Thompson kept on playing his character, giving an impression of how he would handle things from the Oval Office? They would howl and rightfully so, just as if the situation was reversed the Republicans would howl too.

The other thing is that I agree in a general sense with what Nick and Forthe are saying. When you have such a huge portion of your populace thats disenfranchized the roughly 40% who don't vote), how can you honestly want to discourage something that may get them involved in your political process again? Isn't that the backbone of our political systmes? Govenment by the people for the people? Lets be honest: if Colbert wins a significant portion of support, it will be more in the form of a protest vote and thats shows weakness in the candidates both your parties are putting forward. I like that in some ways this could show the viability of a 3rd party to occupy ground that both the GoP and the Dems seem to be vacating: the center.

Its a tricky situation for the FEC and one where Colbert himself has to be careful not to carry the joke too far, even though it could say some very interesting things about your politics if he does push it.
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I think people who watch The Colbert Report and The Daily Show are people who vote. Both shows are both politically charged and I doubt they have much of the disenfranshised as viewers.

Just my 2 cents. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.
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Not to mention he's only going to be on the ballot in South Carolina. Basically just more self-promotion. He's been doing that more and more. I got a bit tired of it with the pushing of his book day after day for weeks.
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I hope he gets in and screws the nominations in that state all up. I'm all for anything that shows how shitty our election process is. More movement in the direction of doing something to fix it hopefully. I mean, its just the primaries, but still funny.
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1
NEW YORK (AP) - Stephen Colbert has dropped his bid for the White House.

His announcement came after the South Carolina Democratic Executive Council voted last week to keep the host of "The Colbert Report" off the state's primary ballot. The vote was 13-3.

Colbert poses as a conservative talk-show host on the Comedy Central show.

"Although I lost by the slimmest margin in presidential election history—only 10 votes—I have chosen not to put the country through another agonizing Supreme Court battle," Colbert said Monday in a statement. "It is time for this nation to heal."

Colbert had said he would run only in his native South Carolina, a key primary state. He said he planned to run as a Democrat and a Republican—so he could lose twice. Colbert, 43, later declined to file with the GOP, which has a much higher filing fee ($35,000) than the Democrats ($2,500).

"I want to say to my supporters, this is not over," Colbert said. "While I may accept the decision of the Council, the fight goes on! The dream endures! ... And I am going off the air until I can talk about this without weeping."

In reality, "The Colbert Report" was going off the air because of a strike by Hollywood writers that began Monday. Many talk shows were expected to be shown in repeats during the strike.
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So will he get his $2500 back since they rejected his petition?
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They said he'd get his check back.
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Fash wrote:http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1
Colbert poses as a conservative talk-show host on the Comedy Central show.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Fash wrote:http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1
Colbert poses as a conservative talk-show host on the Comedy Central show.
LOL?
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Fash wrote:http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1
Colbert poses as a conservative talk-show host on the Comedy Central show.
LOL?
I'm not sure what you're trying to say/ask there. Did you not know that, or do you not believe that? Have you ever watched his show?
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