Burma Massacre

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 11, 2007, 9:33 pm

name-caller

Ok Kyocunt

Shut the fuck up.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · October 11, 2007, 9:37 pm

Nick wrote:
name-caller

Ok Kyocunt
Shut the fuck up.

Good boy *pet*

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 11, 2007, 9:39 pm

Ouch, embarrassiiiiiiiing!

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » October 11, 2007, 9:44 pm

Winnow wrote:"Hay!" Forthe is back. Welcome back!

bagar = kyo?

Hey Winnow, I've been lurking occasionally. Arguing over Iraq for the last 4 years is tiring. Hopefully next year the US will turn itself around (from the dark side) and we can have new shit to discuss.

PS. Bagar seems too "polite" to be Kyo.

Bojangels · Post by **Bojangels** » October 12, 2007, 3:54 am

I remember seeing Bagar on Veeshan back in PoP. Human paladin. Had one of those retarded looking box on a stick hammers. Definitely not Kyo.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » October 12, 2007, 9:02 am

Forthe wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:You are an imbecile. If someone takes a shot at me, I am not blaming some random organization or country...I blame the asshole that took a shot at me. Here is a newsflash smart guy.....that region has been at war with everyone about everything for the 1700 years prior to the US existing. We are just the latest reason for those heathens to kill anyone they can get in range of.
I agree with you that Sunni Vs Shia (and the infighting within them) is causing much of the body count. However, the US is responsible for removing the forces that held these groups together (by force).

You can't blowup a dam and then argue the flood isn't the result of your actions.

And again, the underlying problem is not the US, it is two factions that cannot peacefully coexist. We haev nothing to do with these two factions hating each other. We removed a tyrant that committed genocide. Whether we should have been there oringinally or not is a moot point at this stage. We were into the rebuilding mode and the isntallation of a democratic government and would have been gone by now if the insurgents had not been blowing everythign and everyone up.

Every liberal idiot on here looks at numbers and says OMGZ the US is killing hundreds of thousands of innocent babies every day....and are too fucking incompetently stupid to understand that it is Iraqis killing Iraqis and has been for 2-3 years. If that violence stopped right now, we would be gone as soon as the utilities they needed were back in palce and functional. Problem is....that culture knows nothing but fighting and will never stop.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 12, 2007, 11:36 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Number one, I'm not hate-filled. Number two, I don't go around labeling people as bigots, racists, sexists, homophobes, etc. repeatedly trying to get that awful stigma to stick. You know what I'm talking about, yet you throw up Kyocunt and try to act like it is the same thing. That is why I call you dis-illusioned and that is what I continually point out your small mindedness. You think tiny. You hold up minut exmaples and proclaim them monumental signs of definity. You're laughable.

lol, every insult you've ever mustered against kyoukan was misogynistic. From "fuck muslims" to your cute little black people jokes to the recent "flaming faggots", you continually illustrate what a bigot you are. Yet you're not hate-filled, it's the people who try to point out to you what you are. That makes perfect sense.

Just fyi, calling someone a cunt or a faggot is being a "name-caller".

P.S. "definity" wtf?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · October 12, 2007, 11:51 am

Sylvus wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Number one, I'm not hate-filled. Number two, I don't go around labeling people as bigots, racists, sexists, homophobes, etc. repeatedly trying to get that awful stigma to stick. You know what I'm talking about, yet you throw up Kyocunt and try to act like it is the same thing. That is why I call you dis-illusioned and that is what I continually point out your small mindedness. You think tiny. You hold up minut exmaples and proclaim them monumental signs of definity. You're laughable.
lol, every insult you've ever mustered against kyoukan was misogynistic. From "fuck muslims" to your cute little black people jokes to the recent "flaming faggots", you continually illustrate what a bigot you are. Yet you're not hate-filled, it's the people who try to point out to you what you are. That makes perfect sense.

Just fyi, calling someone a cunt or a faggot is being a "name-caller".

P.S. "definity" wtf?

Actually, if have a dick and you suck other dicks....you are in fact a faggot.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 12, 2007, 11:59 am

Paint it whatever color you want, a faggot=gay=homosexual. Tomato, tomahto.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · October 12, 2007, 12:01 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Paint it whatever color you want, a faggot=gay=homosexual. Tomato, tomahto.

Exactly. For some reason people take the word faggot and attach hate and anger to it. I have neither. I have no problem with fags existing on this planets just like I don't care that Cheetahs exist on this planet. It's human nature. It's not the words, it's the context.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » October 12, 2007, 12:45 pm

And if you happen to have a vagina you are a cunt.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 12, 2007, 12:47 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:And if you happen to have a vagina you are a cunt.

Well not exactly, following the same logic that I stated above - if you have a vagina you also have a cunt. However, calling someone a cunt/vagina/snatch/etc would also all be the same.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » October 12, 2007, 12:48 pm

Yes it would be offensive. Like calling someone a faggot.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 12, 2007, 12:52 pm

Oh boo fucking hoo. People crying about words like that are only empowering them even more. Someone says something like that, brush it off. It is no one's fault but your own if you are too weak of a person to do that, just like it is no one else's concern but your own if you are too too weak of an individual to make it through life without believing in some fairytale jew that is going to be your savior.

I have zero tolerance for weak people and see absolutely no reason why that should be any different.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 12, 2007, 12:54 pm

Is ignorance a sign of weakness, or are they unrelated?

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » October 12, 2007, 12:57 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Oh boo fucking hoo. People crying about words like that are only empowering them even more. Someone says something like that, brush it off. It is no one's fault but your own if you are too weak of a person to do that, just like it is no one else's concern but your own if you are too too weak of an individual to make it through life without believing in some fairytale jew that is going to be your savior.

I have zero tolerance for weak people and see absolutely no reason why that should be any different.

Hi ignoramus. There was just moments ago a discussion about name-calling. Just because you pronounce a word inoffensive doesn't make it so. Just because someone is a homosexual does not make calling them a faggot inoffensive - it's still name-calling.

Your scorn for the "weak" just underlines what an insecure faggot you are.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » October 12, 2007, 1:00 pm

By the way the Funk/Midnyte/Nick dog and pony show is why nobody posts here any more. It's a fucking pointless waste of time and effort.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 12, 2007, 1:07 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:Oh boo fucking hoo. People crying about words like that are only empowering them even more. Someone says something like that, brush it off. It is no one's fault but your own if you are too weak of a person to do that, just like it is no one else's concern but your own if you are too too weak of an individual to make it through life without believing in some fairytale jew that is going to be your savior.

I have zero tolerance for weak people and see absolutely no reason why that should be any different.
Hi ignoramus. There was just moments ago a discussion about name-calling. Just because you pronounce a word inoffensive doesn't make it so. Just because someone is a homosexual does not make calling them a faggot inoffensive - it's still name-calling.

Your scorn for the "weak" just underlines what an insecure faggot you are.

I don't give a shit about the conversation about name calling, because of what I said above. And again, being offended by the word is a sign of weakness, period. A lot of these words probably don't have anywhere near the supposed effect on the people they are directed at, but if they let that be known what would they cry injustice/sexism/racism/etc about?

And you're right, someone should really tell me girlfriend that I'm just an insecure faggot before our 4 year anniversary on the 20th..

Glad to see you jumped on the funk/mid/(nick! glad to see that name finally added to the pile) ruined the forum bandwagon you fucking moron. If that is really the case then those people must be pretty pathetic. Did anyone ever really expect civil discussion on any topic on these forums? Like this is some kind of a new fucking concept.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » October 12, 2007, 1:07 pm

sod off you pom

Midnyte_Ragebringer · October 12, 2007, 1:08 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:By the way the Funk/Midnyte/Nick dog and pony show is why nobody posts here any more. It's a fucking pointless waste of time and effort.

Goodbye then. Go start your own forum where everyone shares similar opinions and isn't edgy, interesting, colorful and engaging. Go to the Mensa board.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 12, 2007, 1:23 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Goodbye then. Go start your own forum where everyone shares similar opinions and isn't edgy, interesting, colorful and engaging.

You're none of those things. So far in the last week we've had at least two recently dormant, long-time posters come back to affirm that you and funk have ruined this forum, as well as one long-time lurker. That's in addition to that original thread where people made that assertion and both of you said you were leaving and never coming back. Why don't you?

Please?

Spang · Post by **Spang** » October 12, 2007, 1:30 pm

If we stop responding to their posts, they'll stop posting!

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 12, 2007, 1:33 pm

Sylvus wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Goodbye then. Go start your own forum where everyone shares similar opinions and isn't edgy, interesting, colorful and engaging.
You're none of those things. So far in the last week we've had at least two recently dormant, long-time posters come back to affirm that you and funk have ruined this forum, as well as one long-time lurker. That's in addition to that original thread where people made that assertion and both of you said you were leaving and never coming back. Why don't you?

Please?

Right, so just like midnyte said - then you can have your CE forum where everyone just agrees and pats each other on the back for their clever ideas.

And please don't toss out the excuse that there were other conservative posters that myself and midnyte also ran off the board, because for 1 thing all of the names listed when this has been previously discussed left long before I became anything close to an active poster in this forum, and at that point if it was just midnyte bothering them, they could very easily put the 1 person bugging them on ignore instead of leaving.

EDIT: As a matter of fact, why are we having this discussion? If my not agreeing with your constant idiotic opinions bothers you so much, ignore me. Then you could just read the comments you agree with, and all would be fine.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 12, 2007, 1:33 pm

Spang wrote:If we stop responding to their posts, they'll stop posting!

I wouldn't be so sure of yourself.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 12, 2007, 1:54 pm

I think it's you fuckers constantly saying they're ruining the forums that's ruining the forums. Could we ever possibly just fucking talk without someone blaming someone else for a non-existant problem that has nothing to do with the discussion? This isn't a nerf playground, we're not required to like everyone or treat everyone like our brothers. The forums aren't being ruined, you're just being assholes. It's just like racism... if people would stop talking about it, it would go away. Stop attacking them personally or telling them to leave, and things will probably improve (by your fucked standards)

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 12, 2007, 2:00 pm

Fash wrote:I think it's you fuckers constantly saying they're ruining the forums that's ruining the forums. Could we ever possibly just fucking talk without someone blaming someone else for a non-existant problem that has nothing to do with the discussion? This isn't a nerf playground, we're not required to like everyone or treat everyone like our brothers. The forums aren't being ruined, you're just being assholes. It's just like racism... if people would stop talking about it, it would go away. Stop attacking them personally or telling them to leave, and things will probably improve (by your fucked standards)

That's precisely it, but if I say it then it gets turned around 180 degrees to me being a cry baby. People like nick and I don't agree, we all get that by now. But guess what, I'm generally not the one to throw the first punch, I'm generally being reactive to someone calling me a fucking retard or something to that effect because they don't agree with me.

And that's perfectly ok with me, this is VV and the flame vault etc etc etc, I can take people calling me shit for a differing opinion, but then by no means should you have the fucking nerve to bitch about a discussion going downhill when YOU started the fucking ball rolling.

If you want to have a civil discussion about politics, try and not start attacking me after one post and maybe we can pull that off. If you would rather just have every discussion turn into trash talk, then keep doing what your doing and egging it on and we will all continue doing things the way we have.

But you can't have your cake and eat it too, no matter how fucking much you want to.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » October 12, 2007, 2:28 pm

Bagar- wrote:

As for you, Mid. There aren't many people here who could affirm that i'm not Kyo, as I said, the only people that even have a chance of remembering me when I played EQ are Xatrei, Nneena (haven't seen her in awhile), Hesten (doesn't come to the CE forums) and Rhyae (also doesn't come to the CE forums). However the fact that all you can say is that i'm Kyo shows a lot.

Well, i know Bagar from EQ.
I suspect it was Kyo who made that char, played it for god knows how long, then lurked here with that name, just to fool Midnyte, but with his brilliant mind he had no trouble seeing through a simple plan like that .)

Post by **Sylvus** » October 12, 2007, 2:33 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:By the way the Funk/Midnyte/Nick dog and pony show is why nobody posts here any more. It's a fucking pointless waste of time and effort.

I'd encourage anyone who does not agree with Tanc's above statement to go back and read every post in the first 3-4 pages of this thread, like I just did. If you still disagree with it after that, I'd be interested to hear your reasons why.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 12, 2007, 2:41 pm

Sylvus wrote:
vn_Tanc wrote:By the way the Funk/Midnyte/Nick dog and pony show is why nobody posts here any more. It's a fucking pointless waste of time and effort.
I'd encourage anyone who does not agree with Tanc's above statement to go back and read every post in the first 3-4 pages of this thread, like I just did. If you still disagree with it after that, I'd be interested to hear your reasons why.

I see the first grenade being Nick responding to funks post that we shouldn't help anyone anymore with 'Way to talk a lot of pig eyed shit, once again, Funk.'

Funk makes 2 more posts without responding to nicks attack or attacking him.

Nick calls him retarded and says he lives in a shit-hole state.

THEN funk attacks nick's country as full of 'fucking retarded religious zealots'... Wow it only took 2 personal attacks to make funk return in kind... with an insult that could be lobbed at any country in the world.

Then nick calls funk a 'fucking pathetic moron'.

should i continue reading? I think it's obvious who started it.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » October 12, 2007, 2:44 pm

The biggest problems I see with debate on this board is it seems no one reads each others posts. This has been pointed out a few times on this thread but, when someone actually responses to what a different person has said, it is completely ignored, or some meaningless sentence is taken out of context and argued into infinity. I can't count the number of times Sueven has posted on an issue, asked specific questions to specific people, and addressed peoples points with counterpoints, only to be completely ignored, or told that he's just being a liberal, etc.

In my opinion, Midnyte does this the most, thus why he's the only person I have ever put on ignore on an internet message board. I personally wanted to put Aslanna on ignore because 99% of her posts were just attacking Funk, but you can't since she's a moderator, and thank god, she's stopped doing that. Funk to me is a valuable member because he seems to read peoples posts and respond to them, when the thread hasn't already turned into him being attacked for everything, or old references to something stupid which he said/done. I would also like to note that I read any of Midnytes posts in other forums.

Also, please don't think I am saying Funk and Mid are the only ones guilty of this. Almost everyone on both sides of any argument have been doing this, I just brought up funk/mid because they are the focus of this thread currently. This alone has pretty much killed the CE forums for me, to the point that I enjoy reading about anything in the Ogame forum (i game i tried to play and found completely boring) over any thread in the CE forum.

Fash: I agree partially with what you said about how bitching about the board not being fixed is ruining the board. However, your claim that racism would go away if we stopped talking about it is probably the most ignorant thing you have ever said on this message board (at least that i can recall).

Also, I am not sure how serious people were, but declaring Bagar as Kyo instead of addressing anything he said was about the most pathetic thing I have seen done by the people who made such an assertion. Grow the fuck up.

All that being said, I would gladly be guilded with any of you people in an MMORPG. I bring this up because I want to point out I have no hatred for anyone here, and because I talked about this specific issue (lack of any debate) with Fameen, a member of this board/veeshan, who said that he really enjoyed Midnytes company in EQ2. This message board has been the first website I read when on the internet since I was in High School, and it will continue to be till no one posts here but Winnow (I don't think he could ever stop his sony hate). It is my hope that none of you (the veeshanvault community) will stop posting here, just that we can someday get back to actual debate (I don't expect this to be like a debate conference, just with more intelligent conversation in general) in the CE forum.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 12, 2007, 2:46 pm

Nice post Aardor.

Hesten wrote: Well, i know Bagar from EQ.
I suspect it was Kyo who made that char, played it for god knows how long, then lurked here with that name, just to fool Midnyte, but with his brilliant mind he had no trouble seeing through a simple plan like that .)

So all I need to do is create a profile with a name a few people will recognize from the past, say I've been lurking, use anon IP service, and I've fooled everyone!

Checking that Bagar's IP originates from outside of Canada is a start!

Bagar doesn't appear to be a clone to me so far except for the initial suspicious timing of the first post and kyoukan-like intelligence oriented name calling. If I catch a slip up where I see detailed directions on how to cut ice blocks for igloos or instructions on how to gut a tuna in under 15 seconds, I'll be sure to point it out.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · October 12, 2007, 2:49 pm

I love Fameen. Those old CTers are all good people. I had a great time playing with them. If I didn't have MMOADD, I'd still be with them.

As far as reading peoples posts and their direct questions to me.....when the question being asked is a sincere question, where the person is interested in my answer, I always respond. When it's a smary, stupid, unanswerable question, I either do not respond or I call them out for being the mega douche nozzles they are.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · October 12, 2007, 2:55 pm

Winnow wrote:Nice post Aardor.

Hesten wrote: Well, i know Bagar from EQ.
I suspect it was Kyo who made that char, played it for god knows how long, then lurked here with that name, just to fool Midnyte, but with his brilliant mind he had no trouble seeing through a simple plan like that .)

So all I need to do is create a profile with a name a few people will recognize from the past, say I've been lurking, use anon IP service, and I've fooled everyone!

Checking that Bagar's IP originates from outside of Canada is a start!

Bagar doesn't appear to be a clone to me so far except for the initial suspicious timing of the first post and kyoukan-like intelligence oriented name calling. If I catch a slip up where I see detailed directions on how to cut ice blocks for igloos or instructions on how to gut a tuna in under 15 seconds, I'll be sure to point it out.

I have no idea if he/she is Kyo, but the timing peaked my interest and the fact I thought I remember reading that no one can start a new account any longer? If that's true, then a mod, Sylvus, would have to be cahouts(sp?) by allowing a new account to be started. If not, that's fantastic. Welcome to the board.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 12, 2007, 2:56 pm

New accounts can be started, but they require someone to manually authorize them to post IIRC

Post by **Sylvus** » October 12, 2007, 2:59 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I have no idea if he/she is Kyo, but the timing peaked my interest and the fact I thought I remember reading that no one can start a new account any longer? If that's true, then a mod, Sylvus, would have to be cahouts(sp?) by allowing a new account to be started. If not, that's fantastic. Welcome to the board.

User registration is back open to the public. That's the main reason I went to the RC of phpbb3. I'm certain that poster is not kyoukan. Believe it or not as you so desire.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 12, 2007, 3:08 pm

Fash wrote: I see the first grenade being Nick responding to funks post that we shouldn't help anyone anymore with 'Way to talk a lot of pig eyed shit, once again, Funk.'

Funk makes 2 more posts without responding to nicks attack or attacking him.

Nick calls him retarded and says he lives in a shit-hole state.

THEN funk attacks nick's country as full of 'fucking retarded religious zealots'... Wow it only took 2 personal attacks to make funk return in kind... with an insult that could be lobbed at any country in the world.

Then nick calls funk a 'fucking pathetic moron'.

should i continue reading? I think it's obvious who started it.

I agree completely, and wasn't trying to exclude nick. Tanc's post referred to the midnyte/funk/nick dog-and-pony show. There seems to be some confusion on why I say someone is ruining the board or killing discussion, and people often like to assume it's because of ideology. Nick and I are often aligned on the same side of an issue, but that doesn't mean I think he can't be as bad as or worse than the other two. Like I said, the first 3-4 pages of this thread are a pretty good example of the problems we have here, and it's almost wholly because of those three.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 12, 2007, 3:17 pm

Sylvus wrote:
Fash wrote: I see the first grenade being Nick responding to funks post that we shouldn't help anyone anymore with 'Way to talk a lot of pig eyed shit, once again, Funk.'

Funk makes 2 more posts without responding to nicks attack or attacking him.

Nick calls him retarded and says he lives in a shit-hole state.

THEN funk attacks nick's country as full of 'fucking retarded religious zealots'... Wow it only took 2 personal attacks to make funk return in kind... with an insult that could be lobbed at any country in the world.

Then nick calls funk a 'fucking pathetic moron'.

should i continue reading? I think it's obvious who started it.
I agree completely, and wasn't trying to exclude nick. Tanc's post referred to the midnyte/funk/nick dog-and-pony show. There seems to be some confusion on why I say someone is ruining the board or killing discussion, and people often like to assume it's because of ideology. Nick and I are often aligned on the same side of an issue, but that doesn't mean I think he can't be as bad as or worse than the other two. Like I said, the first 3-4 pages of this thread are a pretty good example of the problems we have here, and it's almost wholly because of those three.

No, you are off base. I have been making an effort to discuss issues here, now if my opinion is extreme and you don't like/agree with it that is 150% irrelevant to the fact that I am putting forth an effort to contribute. But it is never more than 1 or 2 posts before someone (not always nick, far from it) is bashing me for what I said.

Again this is all fine and dandy, but you can't say that it's ok for people to do that to me every time I post, but when I respond in a similar fashion I'm ruining the forum.. I mean I realize you don't like me but try not to be too goddamn hypocritical here.

It's easy for you to sit there and say that difference of opinion doesn't mean anything. Don't you think the quality of your posts and the time it took you to degrade to insults would shorten considerably when you were immediately bashed for everything you said, and then bashed even more for insulting people back.

Am I supposed to just say "thank you sir, may I have another".. I mean really how hard is it to see the double standard here? I state an opinion - get attacked - retaliate, then get attacked again because I am tossing insults around and not posting on subject. It's ridiculous.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 12, 2007, 3:24 pm

we're all bombs with fuses... without someone like nick or kyou running around lighting them all, there'd be no explosions.

edit: im not attacking nick as a person... i just think he should choose his words more carefully.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » October 12, 2007, 3:26 pm

so nick is like a lighter...except retarded. almost makes sense

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » October 12, 2007, 3:28 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:so nick is like a lighter...except retarded. almost makes sense

So he's one of those non-bic, cheap lighters?

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » October 12, 2007, 4:13 pm

Fash wrote:Wow it only took 2 personal attacks to make funk return in kind...

I'm just guessing from how this was stated but I think you may be confusing mental slowness with restraint.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · October 12, 2007, 4:22 pm

Forthe wrote:
Fash wrote:Wow it only took 2 personal attacks to make funk return in kind...
I'm just guessing from how this was stated but I think you may be confusing mental slowness with restraint.

Yet another attack.

Somali · Post by **Somali** » October 12, 2007, 4:42 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote: And again, the underlying problem is not the US, it is two factions that cannot peacefully coexist. We haev nothing to do with these two factions hating each other. We removed a tyrant that committed genocide. Whether we should have been there oringinally or not is a moot point at this stage. We were into the rebuilding mode and the isntallation of a democratic government and would have been gone by now if the insurgents had not been blowing everythign and everyone up.
Every liberal idiot on here looks at numbers and says OMGZ the US is killing hundreds of thousands of innocent babies every day....and are too fucking incompetently stupid to understand that it is Iraqis killing Iraqis and has been for 2-3 years. If that violence stopped right now, we would be gone as soon as the utilities they needed were back in palce and functional. Problem is....that culture knows nothing but fighting and will never stop.

I'm going to go with Forthe on this one.
We invaded. We removed the oppressive leadership keeping these guys "more" in line. The fallout and loss of life as a result of these groups during our occupation is to some degree on our heads. Could we have prevented it without tactics that would have been received poorly by the international community? No. Probably not. Unfortunately, it doesn't change the fact that we are responsible for the change in status quo after our occupation.

I think the issue is that you are making the same mistake some of the "liberal" community is "making." You are assuming that all of the people bitching about the loss of life believe it to be directly related to the US. We are in fact an indirect source of the loss of life and I would hope that most of the people here understand that even if they illustrate it differently in an attempt to make a point.

I agree with Killmoll here:
"Whether we should have been there originally or not is a moot point at this stage." Arguing this point does little good. We are there now. The country is all fucked up. Pulling out now will have uncertain ramifications both to US oil and the governing system. More than likely without our involvement, a dictator would take the place of the existing government.

Somali · Post by **Somali** » October 12, 2007, 4:42 pm

Sylvus wrote:Is ignorance a sign of weakness, or are they unrelated?

I would say that ignorance can be a weakness but that weakness depends upon context. Ignorance is nothing more than a lack of understanding of a given subject. We are all ignorant when it comes to the details of this war. Some of us may be more ignorant than others. Those of us that believe that we understand pure unadulterated fact about the war and are properly informed about all its aspects are mentally challenged. Reporting is biased and opinions based on those reports are in turn corrupted.

Stupidity is the weakness. The ignorant person doesn't fully understand the subject. The stupid person does not have the mental capacity to understand the data provided. The zealot cannot comprehend that his data could be fallible (note, his data might actually be correct). The asshole just says whatever the fuck he feels like to piss off everyone else.
Combine the categories as needed to describe the person in question.

Bagar- · Post by **Bagar-** » October 12, 2007, 4:51 pm

Hesten.

And yeah, back in PoP I had the "big retarded block hammer" I think from the tower of zek or some such. I don't quite remember =/. I was in LoV at the time.

My post was actually prompted by Funks post, and a post by Winnow in another thread. The relation to Kyoucan is an interesting, yet irrelevant one.

You guys (funk / mid / nick) keep screaming at each other until you're the only ones posting here, and see how much fun that is

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I will add something to the funk / mid vs. nick debate. Nicks innane comments are usually resulting directly from Mid or Funks, not as a rule, but generally so. Nick doesn't typically bash anyone but Mid or Funk, even when he disagrees with them. Mid and Funk bash ANYONE that disagrees with them. Again, not as a rule, but a generality.

Also.

Faggot = homosexual in the same way that nigger = black person. It's demeaning and ignorant. During the civil rights era, many people (read: racists) would argue that the term nigger and african american were synonomous, which was obviously not the case and meerly an excuse to continue demeaning blacks at the time. The same is true for this case. I think you're intelligent enough to know that, Mid, and you just like to keep stirring the pot. Funk on the other hand, I think is probabaly too ignorant to even realize his fallacy and just agrees with you for the sake of doing so, like usual.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 12, 2007, 5:05 pm

Bagar- wrote: Hesten.

And yeah, back in PoP I had the "big retarded block hammer" I think from the tower of zek or some such. I don't quite remember =/. I was in LoV at the time.

My post was actually prompted by Funks post, and a post by Winnow in another thread. The relation to Kyoucan is an interesting, yet irrelevant one.

You guys (funk / mid / nick) keep screaming at each other until you're the only ones posting here, and see how much fun that is .

I will add something to the funk / mid vs. nick debate. Nicks innane comments are usually resulting directly from Mid or Funks, not as a rule, but generally so. Nick doesn't typically bash anyone but Mid or Funk, even when he disagrees with them. Mid and Funk bash ANYONE that disagrees with them. Again, not as a rule, but a generality.

Also.

Faggot = homosexual in the same way that nigger = black person. It's demeaning and ignorant. During the civil rights era, many people (read: racists) would argue that the term nigger and african american were synonomous, which was obviously not the case and meerly an excuse to continue demeaning blacks at the time. The same is true for this case. I think you're intelligent enough to know that, Mid, and you just like to keep stirring the pot. Funk on the other hand, I think is probabaly too ignorant to even realize his fallacy and just agrees with you for the sake of doing so, like usual.

It's obviously asking too much for you to read what I posted or you would realize that you are wrong.

No, nick's comments are not warranted by anything I say (read: almost never). He generally starts it by calling me something because he doesn't agree with me, then at the end of his post he will ask for me to explain myself, like I owe someone that just bashed me some kind of explanation (read: lol.)

I do not bash anyone that disagrees with me as a rule, or "generality" or anything else. I think that if you really take the time to comb over the last several months of posting (not just the last few weeks) you will realize I am provoked almost every single time (of course I start shit too, but so does damn near everyone else here.) And when I do start off by attacking someone right away, it's probably because they have bashed me for every_single_thing I have said over who knows how long a period of time, so why should I even give them the chance to throw the first stone at that point?

And back to the race thing.. again.. Please don't get things confused and call my opinion a fallacy based off of your own yuppy-tree hugging-liberal stance on things. Words are just that, words. The people those words are aimed at empower the racist/sexist/whatever-ist when they give the person that said the word the reaction they were looking for.

Is taking the empowerment away from these words going to stop racism/sexism/etc, no of course it isn't, but it would be ignorant to think that it would not have at least some positive effect on the situation/s... And again, it is not my fault that anyone is too weak or that any race/sex/whatever as a whole is too weak to make the effort to better themselves by doing so.

Bagar- · Post by **Bagar-** » October 12, 2007, 5:24 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:
Bagar- wrote: Hesten.

And yeah, back in PoP I had the "big retarded block hammer" I think from the tower of zek or some such. I don't quite remember =/. I was in LoV at the time.

My post was actually prompted by Funks post, and a post by Winnow in another thread. The relation to Kyoucan is an interesting, yet irrelevant one.

You guys (funk / mid / nick) keep screaming at each other until you're the only ones posting here, and see how much fun that is .

I will add something to the funk / mid vs. nick debate. Nicks innane comments are usually resulting directly from Mid or Funks, not as a rule, but generally so. Nick doesn't typically bash anyone but Mid or Funk, even when he disagrees with them. Mid and Funk bash ANYONE that disagrees with them. Again, not as a rule, but a generality.

Also.

Faggot = homosexual in the same way that nigger = black person. It's demeaning and ignorant. During the civil rights era, many people (read: racists) would argue that the term nigger and african american were synonomous, which was obviously not the case and meerly an excuse to continue demeaning blacks at the time. The same is true for this case. I think you're intelligent enough to know that, Mid, and you just like to keep stirring the pot. Funk on the other hand, I think is probabaly too ignorant to even realize his fallacy and just agrees with you for the sake of doing so, like usual.
It's obviously asking too much for you to read what I posted or you would realize that you are wrong.

No, nick's comments are not warranted by anything I say (read: almost never). He generally starts it by calling me something because he doesn't agree with me, then at the end of his post he will ask for me to explain myself, like I owe someone that just bashed me some kind of explanation (read: lol.)

I do not bash anyone that disagrees with me as a rule, or "generality" or anything else. I think that if you really take the time to comb over the last several months of posting (not just the last few weeks) you will realize I am provoked almost every single time (of course I start shit too, but so does damn near everyone else here.) And when I do start off by attacking someone right away, it's probably because they have bashed me for every_single_thing I have said over who knows how long a period of time, so why should I even give them the chance to throw the first stone at that point?

And back to the race thing.. again.. Please don't get things confused and call my opinion a fallacy based off of your own yuppy-tree hugging-liberal stance on things. Words are just that, words. The people those words are aimed at empower the racist/sexist/whatever-ist when they give the person that said the word the reaction they were looking for.

Is taking the empowerment away from these words going to stop racism/sexism/etc, no of course it isn't, but it would be ignorant to think that it would not have at least some positive effect on the situation/s... And again, it is not my fault that anyone is too weak or that any race/sex/whatever as a whole is too weak to make the effort to better themselves by doing so.

So you're too weak-minded to not be "provoked" into saying things? That's the general idea that i'm getting.

"WAH WAH NICK IS MEAN AND BASHES ME SO I'LL DEVOTE EVERY SECOND OF MY TIME ON THESE FORUMS TO GETTING BACK AT HIM"

And on the note of faggot / nigger, etc., again you're making a cop-out. If someone called you a white trailer-trash piece of shit every day of your life (i'd be suprised if it hasn't happened more than a few times), you wouldn't believe it to be so "liberal" or "yuppy."

All your arguments indicate that you cling onto the ideas of other, more intelligent people, and try to copy them. Most of what you say i've seen from Mid and others long before you. You're like a beaten puppy-dog looking for someone to protect it. Very sad. I like how since I use the (read: blahblahblah) thing, you used it a few times yourself. From a psychological standpoint, you're just a child. That's all. It's really sad that you come here and so vindicitivly spout off opinions that you don't even understand, and try to take your angst out on intelligent human beings that would like nothing more than to have discourse that doesn't involve "FUCK YOU LIBERAL/CONSERVATIVE" thrown back and forth as the only source of defense.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 12, 2007, 5:29 pm

I think you're way off base, Bagar. It's a total rarity for Funk to start shit, and no one should blame him for shitting back. I don't care to explain further because you never cared to post before and seem to already have a sense of entitlement like you've been a part of this all along.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 12, 2007, 5:38 pm

Bagar- wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:
Bagar- wrote: Hesten.

And yeah, back in PoP I had the "big retarded block hammer" I think from the tower of zek or some such. I don't quite remember =/. I was in LoV at the time.

My post was actually prompted by Funks post, and a post by Winnow in another thread. The relation to Kyoucan is an interesting, yet irrelevant one.

You guys (funk / mid / nick) keep screaming at each other until you're the only ones posting here, and see how much fun that is .

I will add something to the funk / mid vs. nick debate. Nicks innane comments are usually resulting directly from Mid or Funks, not as a rule, but generally so. Nick doesn't typically bash anyone but Mid or Funk, even when he disagrees with them. Mid and Funk bash ANYONE that disagrees with them. Again, not as a rule, but a generality.

Also.

Faggot = homosexual in the same way that nigger = black person. It's demeaning and ignorant. During the civil rights era, many people (read: racists) would argue that the term nigger and african american were synonomous, which was obviously not the case and meerly an excuse to continue demeaning blacks at the time. The same is true for this case. I think you're intelligent enough to know that, Mid, and you just like to keep stirring the pot. Funk on the other hand, I think is probabaly too ignorant to even realize his fallacy and just agrees with you for the sake of doing so, like usual.
It's obviously asking too much for you to read what I posted or you would realize that you are wrong.

No, nick's comments are not warranted by anything I say (read: almost never). He generally starts it by calling me something because he doesn't agree with me, then at the end of his post he will ask for me to explain myself, like I owe someone that just bashed me some kind of explanation (read: lol.)

I do not bash anyone that disagrees with me as a rule, or "generality" or anything else. I think that if you really take the time to comb over the last several months of posting (not just the last few weeks) you will realize I am provoked almost every single time (of course I start shit too, but so does damn near everyone else here.) And when I do start off by attacking someone right away, it's probably because they have bashed me for every_single_thing I have said over who knows how long a period of time, so why should I even give them the chance to throw the first stone at that point?

And back to the race thing.. again.. Please don't get things confused and call my opinion a fallacy based off of your own yuppy-tree hugging-liberal stance on things. Words are just that, words. The people those words are aimed at empower the racist/sexist/whatever-ist when they give the person that said the word the reaction they were looking for.

Is taking the empowerment away from these words going to stop racism/sexism/etc, no of course it isn't, but it would be ignorant to think that it would not have at least some positive effect on the situation/s... And again, it is not my fault that anyone is too weak or that any race/sex/whatever as a whole is too weak to make the effort to better themselves by doing so.

So you're too weak-minded to not be "provoked" into saying things? That's the general idea that i'm getting.

"WAH WAH NICK IS MEAN AND BASHES ME SO I'LL DEVOTE EVERY SECOND OF MY TIME ON THESE FORUMS TO GETTING BACK AT HIM"

And on the note of faggot / nigger, etc., again you're making a cop-out. If someone called you a white trailer-trash piece of shit every day of your life (i'd be suprised if it hasn't happened more than a few times), you wouldn't believe it to be so "liberal" or "yuppy."

All your arguments indicate that you cling onto the ideas of other, more intelligent people, and try to copy them. Most of what you say i've seen from Mid and others long before you. You're like a beaten puppy-dog looking for someone to protect it. Very sad. I like how since I use the (read: blahblahblah) thing, you used it a few times yourself. From a psychological standpoint, you're just a child. That's all. It's really sad that you come here and so vindicitivly spout off opinions that you don't even understand, and try to take your angst out on intelligent human beings that would like nothing more than to have discourse that doesn't involve "FUCK YOU LIBERAL/CONSERVATIVE" thrown back and forth as the only source of defense.

I seriously have no idea where you get off saying what you are saying, but if you had truly been observing my posts for the past several years like you claim, I doubt you would be talking out your ass like you are.

I'm too weak minded not to be provoked? Are you kidding me? I get it from all angles like a fucking porn star every time I open my mouth, I don't know of anyone else here on either side of the fence that has got as much shit as me and not started to snap back.

I also find it interesting that with absolutely no knowledge of me (being as you obviously haven't read my posts, as your comments have indicated, which would be the only knowledge of me anyone here could have) that you can try and tell me I am not intelligent and mock other peoples opinions.

I have told mid he was off base on more than one occasion, and I have done the same with other people. I have a personal reason to believe what I have posted damn near every time in this forum, and I would be more than happy to elaborate on why I believe what I do (As I pointed out, I have been at least trying to recently) if I thought that the person asking was truly interested in why I thought what I did, and wasn't just going to call me a retard/idiot/whatever the second I gave my explanation.

I am done defending myself to you though, you obviously have very little idea of what you are talking about - and are unwilling to look at any other side of the story, which is funny since you are bashing me for supposedly doing just that.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · October 12, 2007, 5:46 pm

Somali wrote:
Sylvus wrote:Is ignorance a sign of weakness, or are they unrelated?
I would say that ignorance can be a weakness but that weakness depends upon context. Ignorance is nothing more than a lack of understanding of a given subject. We are all ignorant when it comes to the details of this war. Some of us may be more ignorant than others. Those of us that believe that we understand pure unadulterated fact about the war and are properly informed about all its aspects are mentally challenged. Reporting is biased and opinions based on those reports are in turn corrupted.

Stupidity is the weakness. The ignorant person doesn't fully understand the subject. The stupid person does not have the mental capacity to understand the data provided. The zealot cannot comprehend that his data could be fallible (note, his data might actually be correct). The asshole just says whatever the fuck he feels like to piss off everyone else.
Combine the categories as needed to describe the person in question.

Beautifully put Somali.