CNN reports on captured Terrorists..

masteen · Post by **masteen** » December 31, 2002, 12:06 am

The problems in the Mid-East are from two sources: oil and Israel. I think the issues about the oil and our dependence on it are perfectly clear.

The Israelis have as much right to be there as any other people, even though the country was only formed about 60 years ago. The Palestinians haven't had land in forever, but every Arab gov't supports their claims. I remember about a year ago, our bomb-happy cowboy leaders were beginning to have serious talks with Israel and the surrounding countries about the creation of a real Palestine.

Then they (Palestinians) decided that this was the perfect time to blow up some schools, malls, and theatres in Israel. They basically fucked themselves, but all the Arabs still support Palestine. We were trying the actually treat them as a civilized people, and look what reward our ally gets.

What kills me is the fact that a woman is defending men who were fighting to keep a regime in power that legislated the marginalization and dehumanization of women. These fuckers treated their wives worse than they are being treated now, but we're the bad guys?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » December 31, 2002, 12:33 am

I'm not defending islamics or arabs in general. I'm defending human rights. If this board were full of arabs talking about how great shariah law was and how wonder it is to treat women like property I would be just as vehement. However this isn't the issue on this thread so I'm not sure why you are bringing it up.

The fundamental argument is you people are saying that "they" attacked you and killed you, so it's perfectly okay to do whatever the fuck you want to "them" back. I say it isn't, because if you do that then you are no better.

I defy anyone to provide evidence of any across the board anti-american statement I have ever made in a serious matter. You can't, because there aren't any. Your stupid fucking with us or against us mentality notwithstanding.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » December 31, 2002, 12:43 am

for some reason this thread makes me think back to kindergarten....when the teacher would tell us, just because soandso hit you, doesn't mean it's ok to hit them back.

I know that's oversimplifying...but it's how I feel about the issue as well.

I think you lead by setting the example and extending the hand.

Not by crushing everything into submission.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » December 31, 2002, 12:44 am

Kyoukan has just been added to the Axis of Evil!

My point is that they don't respond to anything other than brute force. We tried to reward the Palestinians for holding off their slaughter of Israeli civilians for a month, and they respond with more violence than before. Treating them as human beings will just increase the contempt they have for us already. At least brutal interrogation gets whatever information they have out of them.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » December 31, 2002, 12:54 am

Krimson, yeah thats right I am a racist.

Kyoukan you still havent answered my questions. Further you zealous asswipe when have you ever said anything positive about the United States.

/nod Masteen, give these terrorists any concessions and the US will be on her knees forever.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » December 31, 2002, 1:07 am

Atokal wrote:Kyoukan you still havent answered my questions.

Because I previously answered them already in the thread and I don't deem you particulary worthy of repeating myself too. Get your "special assisstant" to re-read my posts.

Further you zealous asswipe when have you ever said anything positive about the United States.

Aww poor baby.. Dussems wanna me to something nice? Isn't that cute?

I've never complimented your country so that makes me anti-US? Surely someone as god awful fucking retarded as yourself does not think this? I should then make more routine posts about your great taste in clothes and wonderful theme parks or something?

Truant · Post by **Truant** » December 31, 2002, 1:33 am

Atokal wrote:Further you zealous asswipe when have you ever said anything positive about the United States.

That's a pretty foolish set of grounds to base a statement on.

Just because someone doesn't compliment you doesn't mean they hate you.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » December 31, 2002, 1:59 am

Wow, coming in late on this one:

Hate to say this (No, I REALLY hate to) but Kyou is right. Turning prisoners over to our more "outwardly brutal" allies (kinda) to be tortured shows us really that we are little differant than them as a nation. You people defending that confirm it. Not only is it pathetically cruel and bringing us down to the terrorist level, but it is fucking cowardly. "Oh, we do not want to dirty our hands, so we just turn them over to someone who will." Pathetic.
You see, like your better intellects (provided that you had them in the first place) should have dictated to you, by us not torturing them like it is assumed happens to our captured infiltration specialists, well that is called "being better than they are". Like your parents told you when you were picked on and ignored it.
Fact: Physical torture is by far the worst means to extract information. Now, head games, light touches, fear. That is effective, but, eh. We do not per say need any info they have, we just want to hurt them. That is all I see in this action, and well, what can I say?
The only differance between the Government and Terrorists is power. The USA has more. The rest is mere semantics.
Now, a bunch of you monkey fuckers are going to want to jump this post now. Well, don't. Until you have actually had the privledge of torturing someone, save your critque for the retard section.
This kinda shit makes me sad to be an American.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » December 31, 2002, 2:02 am

I used to torture my sister by holding her down and farting on her, does that qualify me to speak about torture now?

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » December 31, 2002, 2:03 am

Her statement about not being anti-american would merit some burden of proof to the claim. Your comment itself is profound though Truant.

Some McCuntanisms

Meanwhile a few thousand arabs that have gotten into your country through various means are sitting around thinking up new ways to fucking blow you all to hell from the inside out. Way to spend that money, darth vader. I'm sure aldaran is terrified at your new giant laser.

neither was hiroshima. Truman lied so he wouldn't look like the psychotic blood thirsty butcherer of innocent women and children that he was.

I don't see how anyone could be pleased about a trillion dollar missile defense system going in now when you have 767's slamming into skyscrapers. The only country in the world capable of reaching the US with a missile fired from their soil is Russia (and maybe canada if you like fired it right at the border, but no guarantees!), and they are not much of a threat.

The war on terrorism has already turned into just as big of a clusterfuck waste of tax dollars as the war on drugs, so your president goes hostile on Iraq in some vain attempt to not look like the bumbling fucking jackass that he is, and has the bonus of feeding billions and billions of dollars into his daddy's war industry friends with juicy new contracts for more missiles and military hardware. People like you buy it hook line and sinker. Gee maybe that new puppet dictator that the US will install in Iraq will actually last an entire year before turning on you this time!

Sorry man, all I read out that is "I'm a stupid fucking automatron that blindly follows every corrupt stupid thing my government sticks their nose into. Especially their racist and military-centric foreign policy. And even though I have yet to provide anything remotely close to a debate based on factual evidence of Iraq creating weapons of mass destruction I will continue to parrot that other people have no facts to stand on even though all they are rendering is opinion, and hope to God that they will fall for it."

Yeah I'm amazed the world has lasted so long without arrogant fucking yankee assholes that don't know fuck all like you pretending to police everything the entire time. Because clearly without the US, the entire world would collapse into anarchy and war. Wow, and you call me retarded. Why don't you fall into a big old filthy pool of your own self appreciation?

even funnier is that the suspect arrested in connection with spreading anthrax was a white American.

Some of the posts made by Kyoukan. I am particularly fond of the one regarding the wasted billions of dollars spent on defense while the terrorists are plotting the destruction of the USA. Get a clue you witless fuck, they have some of the terrorists now. No billions spent on interrogation. Hows that work for you. Another Favorite is the Arrogant fucking yankee assholes" this was about 10 minutes locating this shit. There are many other shining examples of your blatant hatred to the USA.

After reading your fucking drivel I get a picture of you having your children natural child birth in the forest while you are chained to a tree to stop logging. A large greenpeace sign painted on your volumous ass about saving the whales, while your inbred family dances naked around you chanting wiccan songs of peace and love.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » December 31, 2002, 2:31 am

you just proved my point. thanks!

Drewno · Post by **Drewno** » December 31, 2002, 4:39 am

We were trying the actually treat them as a civilized people, and look what reward our ally gets.

That's bullshit. Do you have any idea what Israel is doing with the cash/equipment that we are giving to them?

Krewlade · Post by **Krewlade** » December 31, 2002, 5:10 am

kyo is totally anti american according to her we are all bloodthirsty uneducated yankee rednecks.

lemme tell you somthing kyo i dont give a fuck who it is ,what country they come from, or what god they believe in someone fucks up and crosses a line you better damn sure put them in thier fucking place.

You live in a little dream where people can be nice to each other and everyone gets along if your nice to em. You know what, thats not the way the world works. You may hate us i dont care you can sit and be anti everything i dont care. The fact of the matter is you dont know shit about how the world works. I dont think you have ever truly encountered anyone with power or a desire for power or someone who just doesnt give a fuck.

There is a whole other world you know nothing about OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of people dont know or understand it so they choose not to see it. It is there though and its what runs things. Someday you will see how the world really is or you wont. But pretending its not there wont protect you from becoming a victim, it just cripples you from seeing the threat.

In a perfect world everyone cares about everyone. In the real world there are those that care about everyone and they nice to everyone and are good people but there is also the people who would cut those peoples throats and rape thier fucking corpses just because they can.

Im all for treating people right but when someone hits you you had damn well better hit em back harder.

Mak · Post by **Mak** » December 31, 2002, 5:40 am

For those of you that are choosing to blame American diplomacy (or lack thereof) on all the terrorism in the world, let me ask you:

-What diplomatic failures did the kurds commit when they were murdered en masse by Hussein?

-What did Kuwait do to deserve having the Iraqi army roll through it's country killing the people, destroying things, and setting it on fire?

In my mind, pointing a finger at "big bad America" is a fairly easy way for people like Hussein and bin Laden to galvanize their supporters. It's largely lies and rationalization.

Kyoukan, you stated terrorism wouldn't happen in Canada- I say, unfortunately, that you're wrong. It can happen. I hope it doesn't, but I've not really seen anything that provides you exemption from terror, except possibly that Canada has become a staging ground for terrorism in America. Maybe you'll benefit from that.

Personally, I'd love to see America reduce it's presence world wide. I'd love to see some of these countries exist without America. I'd love to bring our soldiers home from places like S. Korea and let whatever happens happen. I'd love to see the UN actually handle some problems on it's own for a change. Let the Italians and the Nigerians police the Middle East- I'm fine with that.

However, you'll have a hard time convincing me that all the world hates America- when you can watch re-runs of fucking "Friends" in India I can't quite believe America is so despised.

Jugata · Post by **Jugata** » December 31, 2002, 5:42 am

I totally agree with Kyu. You got smacked with 9/11 because your government stuck it nose where it didnt belong. It's as simple as that. And yes I'd be pissed too but I wouldn't just start bombing countries at will. Just think you are fighting with 2 countries now and just finished beating the hell outta one. As for defending ourselves....we have you for that. Why bother.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » December 31, 2002, 5:48 am

Yeah my youthful idealism and optimism is no match for your world-weary cynicism.

But whatever. You keep hitting back at "them!" I'm sure osama bin laden is quaking in his boots right now at all the legal muslim immigrants getting rounded up and shipped back to some miscellaneous arab countries, racial profiling runs rampant at airports, and random "suspected enemy combatants" are rounded up and sent off to undisclosed locations where god knows fucking what happens to them. Way to go. "They" are probably peeing their pants.

Have you considered the notion that these fuckers aren't on the offensive in this war? Do you see muslim military bases on American soil? Do you see muslim carrier groups patrolling your waters and launching tomahawk missiles into your cities? No? Gee.

VariaVespasa · Post by **VariaVespasa** » December 31, 2002, 6:45 am

Krindol- "bet if 9/11 happened to you you'd think different"...

The correct response to an event does not change because the victim is different. The right thing to do is the right thing to do, regardless. The mere fact that you think our opinion would change is proof that youre thinking with your emotions and not your head, and thats a piss-poor place to be making major decisions from. Try explaining "you were emotional" to the cop next time you get arrested or pulled over or whatever, see how impressed he is with that as an excuse. "I accidentally stepped on and broke my EQ CD today, that upset me so I heaved a brick through the supermarkets' window". Uh-huh. "My girlfriend left me for another guy. I was bummed out, thats why I stole my neighbors car and was doing 105 down main street." Yep. "One of those damned kids from the school down the road broke into my garage and slashed my tires, I recognised their uniform. That pissed me off so I torched their school gym during an assembly." Yes sir. I understand. Spread 'em, you're under arrest.

You do NOT make major decisions that affect other peoples lives without their consent from emotion. it is utter foolishness with potentially terrible consequenses. Emotion can drive you to start considering an issue so you can make a decision, and thats fine, but once you've started thinking about the issue emotion has little-to-no place in the process. Grow up.

Kyoukan vs the US- Kyoukan doesnt like certain elements of the US government and foreign policy. I dont either, come to that. But being against bits of the US government and its foreign policy is not the same as being entirely anti american, any more than I'm anti-canadian because I dont like certain bits of my own government or its policies. Get a grip on yourself.

*Hugs*
Varia

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » December 31, 2002, 10:09 am

Varia it is easy to say what you believe is right and wrong. What is difficult is the correct response to the events of 911 and similiar actions.

I have asked the mighty Kooky for not only the correct response but what she believes the ramafications of her suggestions would be. I now ask the same of you.

Cheers.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · December 31, 2002, 10:36 am

Varia, I know in you little mind, relating foreign affairs to a girl breaking up with you or breaking an EQ CD, makes sense....it does not.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » December 31, 2002, 10:55 am

Gawd you people are really fucking stupid. Those are just examples to illustrate a point dipshit. Do you understand the concept

DOING THE RIGHT THING SIMPLY BeCaUsE it is THE RIGHT THING TO DO?

how bout

DON'T TREAT OTHERS INHUMANELY BeCaUsE it is INHUMANE!!!

What you ignorant bastards are unwilling to accept is that you are PROFILING an ENTIRE FUCKING SOCIETY according to the actions of a few.

You are racist fucking biggots. You constantly use the word "They"

WHO ARE THEY?

Muslims? A certain nation? Terrorists whose involvement you can neither prove nor disprove?

They must die, they must be bombed, they must be taught a lesson.

I got news for you Einstein, the "they" you fucktards are talking about died when they rammed their planes into buildings. All you are doing is creating more enemies.

You ask what should be done?

the first step: STOP CREATING MORE ENEMIES!

Midnyte_Ragebringer · December 31, 2002, 11:01 am

Xyun, now you're being a naive dipshit. There will always be conflict. There will always be a new enemy right behind the last.

"They" are the religous muslim freaks, who follow the philosophy of Bin Laden and wish ill will against any and all Americans. After a year and a half now and you need this explained to you is fucking funny as hell.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » December 31, 2002, 11:11 am

I blame Canada.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » December 31, 2002, 11:34 am

kyoukan type-R wrote:1. The question is an absurdity because it would never happen in Canada. The way your government acts with it's foreign policy is the very reason 911 occured in the first place. If Canada tried to assert itself militarily all over the place, trample all over other cultures and religions and was run by a bunch of bomb happy cowboy rednecks who conduct most of their foreign relations with cruise missiles and continue to grant billions of dollars a year in welfare to a land grabbing enemy state, then maybe you would have an argument.

I would call you an ignorant bitch, but that would offend the ignorant bitches out there.

So when exactly did Bali throw THEIR weight around and meddle in the affairs of the middle east? How about Australia? How about any of the number of countries that have had attacks made against them for no reason other than some perceived injustice by raving lunatics? Won't happen to Canada? You are just fooling yourself. It is just a matter of time before it DOES happen in Canada.

You have much more lax security for people entering your airports. You trade openly with the US. You are a supporter of the US and Israel. You are not a Muslim country. You are an easy target. That all adds up to your time is coming.

miir · Post by **miir** » December 31, 2002, 12:08 pm

You have much more lax security for people entering your airports

I guess you haven't tried entering Canada lately.

Jugata · Post by **Jugata** » December 31, 2002, 12:09 pm

At least if you blamed Canada you'd have a clue who to fight instead of shadowboxing the entire planet.

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » December 31, 2002, 12:24 pm

I flew home and back for the holiday, and here is what happened:

At the metal detector/checkpoint #1 LEAVING the DC area:

- Middle Easterners who did not speak english to each other were checked through normally

- White boy (me) who plays EQ, works a job, and pays taxes is patted down, and taken into a side room for questioning.

It must have been Down with Whitey Day at the Airport...damn bigots and racists!!!

But you are so right...racial profiling everywhere!

/sarcasm off

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » December 31, 2002, 12:55 pm

Didn't Israel pretty much buy their country? Then, having a foothold they just kept pushing their borders outward to basically eliminate the palistinians? Didn't the British help them in this as well? My history may be a bit over simplified but I think that if I were a Palastinian, I'd be pissed too.

It kind of reminds me of our history. You know, buying a huge track of land for beads and then expanding further and farther. What kind of response did the Indians give us? Again, I over simplify. Sorry.

Personally, I don't agree with the idea of Brutal Interrogation. Like Jack said however, "Truth? You can't handle the truth". You know what, I can't. So I have no problem with being ignorant about what our country does in this aspect. I don't want to know the deeds done to protect my freedom and that of my family. I just know that I want that protection.

Though I am opposed to certain things that I am aware of, I would have no problem knowing that someone is doing something Brutal to Xyun.

Dalmoth · Post by **Dalmoth** » December 31, 2002, 1:43 pm

Xyun, add some meat to the conversation, if all your going to shout is "racist" you will become the boy who cried wolf.

The proper term would more likely be revenge minded, which I think a great deal of Americans are. I want a fair peice of ass for the folks who did this and for the folks that allowed it to happen. The muslim countries have tacitly allowed Al'Qeda to operate on the fringe because it served their ends to do so. They need to understand that being associated with them will not further their ends when it comes to the U.S. Diplomatically speaking this is a "You can be with us or not." it is not a "your with us or agin us." We are at war, sure we're not rattling tanks down the streets of Europe or the Middle East (yet), but its a war.

American diplomancy was not the cause of Terrorism. Simply put terrorism has been in use for well over 2000 years, so it can't be the cause of terrorism. It is a mean for a few to affect the changes they wish on the many, that is all. It is a means to end, nothing more. If the terrorists felt they could be more successful via other means they would be using them.

History has proven that those that give in to to these tactics suffer more because they are successful. Those that fight these tactics suffer in the short run but eventually they end because they are not succesful and other methods to achieve that end must be found. This is why rational governments don't want to reward terrorists by acceeding to their demands.

The right thing for Israel to do would be to cede land and allow for the creation of a Palestianin state. The problem here is that the PLO and its followers can't allow this. The stated goal of the PLO (founded in 1964) is to eradicate Israel, not to peacefully coexist. They MIGHT settle for the land captured in the '67 war now, but every time that looks close to being a reality there are more bombings. That appears to say their leadership wants continued conflict because it either is the only way to get what they want, or it continues to keep the leadership in power.

The goal of the muslim fundamentalist movement is a fundamentalist muslim super state that is ruled by their code of laws.

Afghanistan WAS what they wanted, on a small sacle. The Taliban was not powerful enough to project its religous views onto the rest of the Muslim world however.

Stop with the generalizations

Muslims are not being singled out in the airports, by screeners. The other passengers definetly are keeping a closer eye though. But that is simply a matter of survival is it not? In this situation I am wary of this potential threat as well as everyone else.

Muslims that abide by the terms of their Visas are not being rounded up and sent home. Anyone here in voilation of their Visas are being sent home. I work with quite a few folks from overseas that all scrambled to make sure their Visas were in line.

Dalmoth · Post by **Dalmoth** » December 31, 2002, 1:50 pm

Bubba.....

Israel pretty much was granted their land by U.N. Proclamation (one of the first things they did as a world body). Britain had troops in Jeruslem to keep the peace for several years, I forget exactly the years (47-51 come to mind).

Palestine didn't exist as a state at that time. Indeed Jordan and one other muslim country (forget the name) had a great deal of what was palestine under their control and had resisted for decades the notion of palestine becoming a country again. So they eagerly supported a war with Israel because if got the Palestians off their back and they become an Israeli problem.

The day that Israel declared itself a sovereign state all the surrounding Muslim states declared war upon them. Central postion, superior command control and better fore planning saw Israel thru the initial war. Israel has been in a state of war since the day they declared themselves a country, only Egypt has signed a peace treaty from the intial declarations of war.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » December 31, 2002, 3:09 pm

Man, this racist crap gets old.

If a guy carrying a large duffel through a crowded airport and avoiding lines at inspection points is stopped to be searched, is it racism because he is a Muslim?

Let's think about circumstances before we trot out the overused racism card.

and what constitutes 'entering the judicial system'?

Wanted to clarify this. By using the term "captured", one would assume they are talking about poeple taken by millitary action. It's not a word normally used when speaking of someone arrested by law enforcement.

Anyone heard anything to the contrary? It makes a very large difference in what type of treatment the 'captured' are entitled to.

Also, the phrase "Brutal Interrogation Methods". Media sensationalism? Quoting a reporter looking for a tag line is not smart. There is no way in hell this is the term the source used.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » December 31, 2002, 3:14 pm

And of course, before going and getting all riled up, lets realize that CNN has a whole staff full of writers who like to sensationalize shit. Who hires these peple and allows them to put this shit on the airwaves and in print anyway? I just finished reading an article about 2 people who used an M-16 "machine gun" to commit suicide. Does anyone there actually believe in responsible journalism or even check facts or proof-read anything? Some of the crap coming from there lately makes me want to vomit.

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » December 31, 2002, 3:19 pm

For those of you against the US using any means necessary to stop terrorism and/or justifying the terrorists' actions by saying America is sticking our noses in other people's business:

Yes, we attack other governments for terrorizing their neighbors. If you think that's wrong, don't expect your neighbors to call 911 when an axe murderer breaks into your house. Expect your neighbors to "mind their own business".

Yes, we protect governments where the United States has huge economic interests (read: oil). That's a no-brainer. Why would we not protect a country that supplies America with huge amounts of oil? Why would anyone think for a split second that America wouldn't protect our source of oil?

Yes, we put economic sanctions on countries that act like assheads. Then some try to say that we're responsible for them starving and crap like that. In essence, if we never helped these countries in the first place (you know, mind our own business) we wouldn't be considered the bad guys. But the fact that we STOP helping people who go against us makes us big meanies. Wow. If your parents are paying your rent every month, and you keep pissing on their living room rug until one day, they stop paying your rent, you can't blame your parents for making you lose your home. That's just rediculous. If you wanna bite the hand that feeds you, you damned well better be able to feed yourself!

Bottom line, if torturing some guy who was captured while fighting in Osama's army will prevent some little 4 year old girl from burning to death in a skyskraper, give me the pliers. And if HURTING 100 terrorist soldiers who have pledged to kill as many people as they can will save the lives of 3-4000 civilians during a time of peace, (many who weren't even American citizens!!!!) I say go for it.

-Shae

Midnyte_Ragebringer · December 31, 2002, 3:41 pm

Preach on Shae !!!

Killmoll, you're dead on with your assessment of CNN. Voronwe will disagree, of course, but I see them the same way.

Pubin · Post by **Pubin** » December 31, 2002, 3:49 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:yes heaven fucking forbid the US gov't doesn't say they want to bring democracy and freedom to the middle east out of one side of their mouths and then turn around and tell the cia to torture the shit out of arabs out of the other side.

although the fact that you racist fucking assholes on this thread advocate this along with all the rest of the hypocrisy doesn't shock me.

haha i saw the title of this and wondered how long it would be before kyoukan came and dropped science on everyone.
LOLZ U DUMB AMERIKAN SHITBAG COCKCUNTHWORE DUMBASS IMPOSE YOUR WILL ALL OVER AND PPL H8 U!!1do not even try to reply because i will minimize this and GO GET L33T INFO FROM GOOGLE BEFORE YOU CAN SAY IRAQUI BEAN PIE.
If i lived in a 3rd rate no-name country i too would go over everything american with a fine-tooth comb looking for things i H8!! so fu and happy new year.

Nuggun · Post by **Nuggun** » December 31, 2002, 3:49 pm

Yes, we attack other governments for terrorizing their neighbors. If you think that's wrong, don't expect your neighbors to call 911 when an axe murderer breaks into your house. Expect your neighbors to "mind their own business".

Well spoken.
Also remember that the United States attempted to adopt a policy of isolation during WWII. We continued to trade with Britain etc like normal and tried to keep a semblence of indifference, largely due to public opinion on the matter. Look what happened there....
Pearl Harbor 2,403 dead, not all soldiers. There were families stationed there, woman, children, and elderly.

War does not discriminate. Just because you keep your international relations low and keep your "nose out of it" doesn't mean you won't be dragged into it. The US learned and will not make that same mistake again, now we stick our noses into everything to sniff out the shit thats brewing far away, so it never reaches our backyard. 9/11 happened the shit hit our shores.. a mistake the US will not allow to happen again cause we're going to take it to them.

Kelgar · Post by **Kelgar** » December 31, 2002, 3:50 pm

An eye for an eye leaves the world blind.

M. Gandhi

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » December 31, 2002, 4:01 pm

You obviously didn't see the carnage strewn across Trinity as I did that day. Come to think of it, neither did Gandhi

Midnyte_Ragebringer · December 31, 2002, 4:05 pm

Ghandi was a freak.

Demags · Post by **Demags** » December 31, 2002, 4:10 pm

Actually an eye for an eye doesnt leave the world blind, it just leaves it with limited depth perception.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » December 31, 2002, 6:02 pm

Pubin wrote:haha i saw the title of this and wondered how long it would be before kyoukan came and dropped science on everyone.
LOLZ U DUMB AMERIKAN SHITBAG COCKCUNTHWORE DUMBASS IMPOSE YOUR WILL ALL OVER AND PPL H8 U!!1do not even try to reply because i will minimize this and GO GET L33T INFO FROM GOOGLE BEFORE YOU CAN SAY IRAQUI BEAN PIE.
If i lived in a 3rd rate no-name country i too would go over everything american with a fine-tooth comb looking for things i H8!! so fu and happy new year.

Yeah that's exactly what I said and did.

So how long is this childish little whiny crusade against me going to last? Jesus you get fucking trashed in one debate and you hold a grudge for like a year.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » December 31, 2002, 6:12 pm

Pubin wrote: haha i saw the title of this and wondered how long it would be before kyoukan came and dropped science on everyone.
LOLZ U DUMB AMERIKAN SHITBAG COCKCUNTHWORE DUMBASS IMPOSE YOUR WILL ALL OVER AND PPL H8 U!!1do not even try to reply because i will minimize this and GO GET L33T INFO FROM GOOGLE BEFORE YOU CAN SAY IRAQUI BEAN PIE.
If i lived in a 3rd rate no-name country i too would go over everything american with a fine-tooth comb looking for things i H8!! so fu and happy new year.

Is it just me or does everyone envision Bobcat Goldthwait saying this? I can even add in the grunts and squeals.

Sorry to interupt. Please continue.

Jugata · Post by **Jugata** » December 31, 2002, 6:18 pm

Yes, we attack other governments for terrorizing their neighbors. If you think that's wrong, don't expect your neighbors to call 911 when an axe murderer breaks into your house. Expect your neighbors to "mind their own business".

That's fine with me. The fact is where I live 911 is used for health reasons for the most part. I have heard of perhaps 3 murders in my province in my life. Noone hates me when I say "I'm Canadian". The only worry I really have in life is being targetted for looking like an American.

Yes, we protect governments where the United States has huge economic interests (read: oil). That's a no-brainer. Why would we not protect a country that supplies America with huge amounts of oil? Why would anyone think for a split second that America wouldn't protect our source of oil?

Your government should perhaps take the billions and billions spent making weapons of mass destruction that they are using to stop others from having similar weapons and put them into making alternitive power sources available. Ask Toyota...it can be done.

Yes, we put economic sanctions on countries that act like assheads. Then some try to say that we're responsible for them starving and crap like that. In essence, if we never helped these countries in the first place (you know, mind our own business) we wouldn't be considered the bad guys.

This one makes some sense. After all, noone can stand on their own without America helping them.

Bottom line, if torturing some guy who was captured while fighting in Osama's army will prevent some little 4 year old girl from burning to death in a skyskraper, give me the pliers. And if HURTING 100 terrorist soldiers who have pledged to kill as many people as they can will save the lives of 3-4000 civilians during a time of peace, (many who weren't even American citizens!!!!) I say go for it.

Bottom line: Racial profiling and torture are wrong and are only gonna get you guys more retribution. I feel sorry for the truly innocent that only want peace. The cocky militant fucks down there are surely going to bring more 911-like incidents. The best defence really is a good defence, someone should drill that through your heads.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » December 31, 2002, 7:12 pm

The debates on this board just goes to show you how complex the situation in the world is. There is no simple solution because we will never agree on anything. The crap is about to hit the fan I think, globally.

Dalmoth · Post by **Dalmoth** » December 31, 2002, 7:26 pm

Actually its my opionion by the time you get 6 people in a room, without a forceful leader you won't agree on anything. Heaven forbid you get 6 forceful leaders in a room.

Jugata · Post by **Jugata** » December 31, 2002, 8:06 pm

Dalmoth hit it on the head.

Hammerstalker PE · Post by **Hammerstalker PE** » December 31, 2002, 10:27 pm

Teurde yes we in Canada should be thankful that we can travel freely and no one is targetting us like the USA. However, if it wasn't for the USA and all they do around the world just how much freedom would you be enjoying right now?? Zero, none nada that is how much. Shit open your eyes this is not fucking utopia we live in. Personally I am glad the USA takes a hard line on terrorists, aggressive countries and warmongers. Let me ask you all a question. When was the last time the USA invaded another country unprovoked and subjegated (sp) the populace to a tyranical rule?

Kyou fuck off you brainless turd. It is easy to sit in the back of the room and be a dissenter with no solution. It is much more difficult to disagree and voice your solution. You obviously have no clue at all and just want to be a fucking clueless moron for the rest of your miserable life.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · December 31, 2002, 11:46 pm

Hammerstalker PE wrote:Kyou fuck off you brainless turd. It is easy to sit in the back of the room and be a dissenter with no solution. It is much more difficult to disagree and voice your solution. You obviously have no clue at all and just want to be a fucking clueless moron for the rest of your miserable life.

I'm quite convinced this is indeed Kyocunt's goal. I have to say, it is nice to see someone achieve their full potential.

Krewlade · Post by **Krewlade** » January 1, 2003, 12:02 am

thank you hammer you have renewed my faith in canadians. I was beggining to think canada was full of naieve ungrateful idiots. but im glad you posted hammer really makes me feel better that at least one canadian feels america isnt totally evil and isnt sticking thier nose in everyones business for no reason.

Jugata · Post by **Jugata** » January 1, 2003, 3:50 am

Please tell me how a country have 2 nuclear missiles and the ability to make like 6 more give the US the right to disarm them with force. If it is world policy that no nukes are allowed then why is the US allowed to have 254325253325325 nukes? It's a big gay double standard is why.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 1, 2003, 4:12 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Ghandi was a freak.

"Ghandi" was, was he?