Princess Di or Mother Teresa?

[Wulfran]

OK to be honest the topic is something I saw on a different forum and thought the responses were interesting, and figured we need something new to discuss here on the VV so...

Last month marked the 10 year anniversaries of the deaths of Mother Teresa and Princess Di, both of whom came from wealthy upbringings and eventually gained a measure of fame and had controversial reputations.

Princess Di married into the Royal Family of the UK, was a tabloid target because of that and popular because of her attractiveness and public demeanor as stylish and friendly but shy. There were stories marital infidelities both on her part and Prince Charles and eventually her marriage ended in a divorce. At the same time she was also known as a spokesperson for AIDS research before it was popular, poverty relief and spearheaded the UN efforts to eliminate land mines. Critics argue that the charity work was a means to an end: manipulation of the media to sustain her profile and support her lavish lifestyle and provide a counter to the more sordid tabloid stories concerning her love life.

Mother Teresa was also from a wealthy background but entered a convent at the age of 18. She eventually became known for her aiding of the poor in India. Controversy surrounding her arose because of her beliefs that poverty "brought people closer to God" and there were critics of her work who argued she did nothing to alleviate poverty and suffering but rather prolonged it in order to try and convert Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists to Christianity.

I know we tend to be rather jaded here at the VV, but which one do you admire more (or if you prefer, which one do you have less disdain for) and why?

[Sylvus]

I saw something the other day that said that 2.5 Billion people watched Diana's funeral.

Seriously? Where'd they come up with that one? I know I didn't really give a shit at the time, and still don't really. That number astounds me though.

[Winnow]

Mother Teresa and Princess Di are both overhyped.

I can see the interest in Princess Di though. If you relate her life to a reality TV show or just a episodic TV show in general...I can see why people would follow tabloids, sort of like following a TV show on a weekly basis to see the latest happenings. When a show gets canceled that you've been watching, it's upsetting for awhile. I'd assume the same is true when someone kicks the bucket that you've watched for awhile.

Mother Teresa should be a clear example of how insignificant other "saints" in the past really were when you see one up close in the present day. Extrapolate that to the encompass the entire religious scene and you start to get an idea of what a joke it is believe in any of that crap.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Anyone who picks Princess Di over Mother Teresa is an ill-informed, ignorant person.

Mother Teresa did everything she did without wealth. She even battled with her faith, but kept doing it because she knew she was doing good. She doubted the existence of a God, yet continued to give all of herself to the world. Truly an amazing woman.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

I could absolutely give 2 shits at all about Princess Di or any other faggy English "ruling family" member.

[Hesten]

I thought Princess Di was Mother Teresas secret lovechild from her affair with Jesus.

Honestly, i couldnt care less about either of them. Its a shame how Princess Di died of course, but even that didnt clue anyone in on that the media MIGHT need a leash on their attack dogs once in a while.
As for Mother Teresa, im sure she did a lot of good things, but still, i dont like anyone doing good things to try and convert others to their personal beliefs.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

As for Mother Teresa, im sure she did a lot of good things, but still, i dont like anyone doing good things to try and convert others to their personal beliefs.

She didn't try and convert anyone. She did good for the sake of doing good.

[Wulfran]

As for Mother Teresa, im sure she did a lot of good things, but still, i dont like anyone doing good things to try and convert others to their personal beliefs.

She didn't try and convert anyone. She did good for the sake of doing good.

Actually there a number of allegations that she DID try to convert others and some allegations that she withheld care from non-Christians until they would consent to be baptized: that is one of the aspects of her controversy, alongside her espoused personal philosophy that in essence poverty was good for the soul and should not be alleviated. She was not revered or even looked kindly upon by many Sikhs and Hindus but again, how much is supposition and animosity based on "my religion is better than your religion" and how much is in response to her actions is something no one can really answer. I do find it amusing though, how someone who is such a staunch supporter of atheism in the other threads can show such an unshakeable faith in the reported actions of a nun

[Winnow]

Actually there a number of allegations that she DID try to convert others and some allegations that she withheld care from non-Christians until they would consent to be baptized: that is one of the aspects of her controversy,

Weak! ...but that's typical of religious conversion tactics...prey on the needy, dying, etc.

When Michael Vick "found god" after pleading guilty, the radio announcer commented that the highest percentage of born again Christians can be found in prisons.

Mother Teresa reminds me of the scene in "Men in Tights" where Robin Hood would give to the poor and then punch them in the face. In her case, it was a virtual religious punch.

Then you get the fake results: We converted 90%! (failing to mention that food and medicine would only be given to a converts)

If you want to make someone a saint, I'd vote for L. Ron Hubbard. That dude manages to get rich people to convert and give money to him and he has to work off of a story he wrote without being able to hype up some long dead people in order to make them appear more important than they were like most religions do. Now that's impressive.

That be like me making up a story about an ancient race of manginas that once ruled the earth, and then get people to give me money in order to worship them.

[Sueven]

While there are aspects of Mother Teresa's life and actions that bother me, my overall impression of her is overwhelmingly positive. The sort of self-sacrifice that she demonstrated is absolutely admirable. The comforts that she gave up are incredible. I'm also a big fan of her hands-on approach. There are too many "philanthropists" these days who make bold proclamations, donate money to various more-or-less-worthless 'causes,' and that's it. They generally accomplish nothing worthwhile except for masturbatory ego-stroking (I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU, BONO. YEAH, FUCK YOU). Mother Teresa took the opposite approach. It's impossible to doubt her sincerity. She did whatever good she could for the people who she came into contact with. I don't care if she was motivated by missionary fervor or empathy for the poor, and I don't care if what she thought was best for the people she helped was a baptism or penicillin. The bottom line is that she had a sense of the good and she devoted herself to promoting it, unselfishly, wholly, and in the face of enormous challenges.

Princess Di is an example of the Bono sort of celebthropist mentioned above. I don't care about her in the slightest. The entire British royal family strikes me as totally ridiculous, and the continuing fascination with Princess Di is just beyond my comprehension. I don't have anything against her, but I sure as hell don't feel a need to have any amount of respect or appreciation for her.

[Winnow]

Princess Di is an example of the Bono sort of celebthropist mentioned above. I don't care about her in the slightest. The entire British royal family strikes me as totally ridiculous, and the continuing fascination with Princess Di is just beyond my comprehension. I don't have anything against her, but I sure as hell don't feel a need to have any amount of respect or appreciation for her.

From what I can recall of Princess Di, she wasn't anything close to being a Paris Hilton type famous person in that she was shy for the most part, and didn't want the cameras around. Prince Charles just happened to get a woody for her so she was "thrust" into the spotlight. I can't really blame her for the crazy fame her relationship brought her. I still could give a shit about British Royalty but in her case, she was kinda just stuck with it.

[Nick]

I couldn´t give two flying shits about either of them.

I still could give a shit about British Royalty but in her case, she was kinda just stuck with it.

Wow. You are incredibly wrong. Diana virtually single handedly invented how to be a modern day media whore.

[Boogahz]

I couldn´t give two flying shits about either of them.

I still could give a shit about British Royalty but in her case, she was kinda just stuck with it.

Wow. You are incredibly wrong. Diana virtually single handedly invented how to be a modern day media whore.

yeah, and USAmericans would have been able to see that...

[Nick]

yeah, and USAmericans would have been able to see that...

yeah, because its everyone elses responsibility to cater to the americans who didn´t bother to have a clue what they were talking about before typing down their opinion...

[Boogahz]

yeah, and USAmericans would have been able to see that...

yeah, because its everyone elses responsibility to cater to the americans who didn´t bother to have a clue what they were talking about before typing down their opinion...

I don't think you understood the point of my post.

[Nick]

Unless you were being sarcastic it was entirely irrelevant.

[Winnow]

I never read the tabloids, so all I know about Princess Di is that she was an "ordinary" type person that Charles picked up on, turning her immediately into a "Cinderella" type person. With Charles being so fucking dorky looking , like most inbred royalty, the gossip seekers latched onto Princess Di as the one last hope for Great Britain to produce normal looking heirs.

That's all I really know.

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A little known story about something that happened early on in Mother Teresa's life:

A priest offered a Nun a lift. She got in and crossed her legs, forcing
her gown to reveal a leg. The priest nearly had an accident. After
controlling the car, he stealthily slid his hand up her leg.

The nun said, "Father, remember Psalm 129?" The priest removed his hand.
But, changing gears, he let his hand slide up her leg again.

The nun once again said, "Father, remember Psalm 129?"

The priest apologized "Sorry sister but the flesh is weak."

Arriving at the convent, the nun sighed heavily and went on her way.

On his arrival at the church, the priest rushed to look up Psalm 129.

It said, "Go forth and seek, further up, you will find glory."


Moral of the story:

If you are not well informed in your job, you might miss a great
opportunity

[Boogahz]

Unless you were being sarcastic it was entirely irrelevant.

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