Vista or XP?

miir · Post by **miir** » July 19, 2007, 3:51 pm

Thanks for elaborating.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 19, 2007, 5:55 pm

Siji wrote:
I've never had so many problems with Nero and DVD Rebuilder as I have currently in Vista. I could probably count the number of coasters I made in 2 years of running XP on one hand. In the last week alone I've made at least 7. DVD Rebuilder also seems to take much longer, though I've never benchmarked it so perhaps that's just "feel".

I use Cyberlink Power2Go (except for 360 games which I use CDClone) as my general duty CD/DVD burning software. Nero has always given me issues in any version of Windows. I'm no expert on burning stuff. I just want it to work.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 19, 2007, 6:01 pm

I've burned hundreds of DVDs using Nero under XP with no problems. It's my preferred burning software. I haven't installed it under Vista yet though. I do need to burn off some stuff this weekend but as I have a dual-boot setup I'll probably just boot up XP and do it there.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 19, 2007, 6:40 pm

Haven't even tried Vista with burning yet, as we have plenty of other computers around w/ Nero/XP that I can use for that..

However, the WoW + Windows Media Player combo crashes my video driver all the time under Vista (64 Ultimate).

Time to reinstall to 32 this weekend..

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 24, 2007, 5:04 am

Here's a listing of my processes:

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Piece of Task Manager showing current used memory 9 minutes after a reboot. This was after closing Sidebar which freed a nice chunk of memory (was pushing close to 1GB before then):

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Shot of my reliability index. I was going good for a week but now it's heading back down!

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Anyway, running Vista for over two weeks now. I am getting close to going back to XP. As you can see from the title bars I'm running the classic theme. And while I like the sidebar due to some of the gadgets being nice it does appear rather buggy and resource hungry so I don't really run that anymore. My system looks more and more like XP everyday so what's the real benefit of running Vista?

One of the reasons with going back to the classic theme was I prefer the task switcher there. I find it a lot easier (and quicker) to switch based on icon. As far as the Windows+Tab switcher, whatever it's called, I used it all of two times. It was sorta interesting but I didn't find it very efficient.

One of my main annoyances with Vista is with the new Windows Explorer. I hate (HATE!) it. I can't stress that enough. Let me list my top three complaints about Explorer:

I hate how even when I do the 'Apply to Folders' setting in Folder Options it seems to only apply to certain 'types' of folders. From what I can tell, and I could be wrong, folder types are determined by the content within them. So for example two folders, one with images and another with MP3s, will each need to be set individually. These also seem to get randomly reset for whatever reason so after rebooting I may have to reset it. In addition that 'Favorite Links' section in the upper left is a waste of space and I wish I knew how to disable it but that's probably not possible.

I dislike how it autosorts stuff. In XP if I created a new folder it would stay at the bottom until I hit F5. With Vista once I create anything it sorts it right then. To me this is annoying as I'm usually creating a folder to place something in so now I have to scroll to locate it.

When scrolling down the folders on the left with the keyboard it doesn't show the contents over in the right pane unless you click on the folder or hit enter. Another pointless change that makes no sense to me.

Anyway, some of those may sound like petty nitpicking, and maybe they are, but the fact that I dislike how they operate, and I can't change them, is frustrating.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 24, 2007, 12:44 pm

If that reliability chart was for a stock, I'd sell it!

Not sure what to say except probably going back to XP is a good idea if it gives peace of mind. Don't have time to check the processes in detail atm but will look later.

miir · Post by **miir** » July 24, 2007, 1:45 pm

Nothing in your processes seems out of the ordinary.

Never realised how much of a pig Symantic AV was.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 24, 2007, 2:24 pm

miir wrote:Never realised how much of a pig Symantic AV was.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhhh*breath*ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

miir · Post by **miir** » July 24, 2007, 2:31 pm

I knew it was a pig... but I didn't think that it chewed nearly 3X more RAM (and apparently CPU cycles) as mcafee.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » July 24, 2007, 2:35 pm

best virus scanner in my opinion is mcafee viruscan 8.0i enterprise... it's efficient as hell, and completely free forever if you pm me.

miir · Post by **miir** » July 24, 2007, 2:37 pm

Fash wrote:best virus scanner in my opinion is mcafee viruscan 8.0i enterprise... it's efficient as hell, and completely free forever if you pm me.

That's what I use.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 24, 2007, 2:57 pm

Never used virus scanners. Never will! Hate those things.

I use Windows Defender built into Vista and it seems to work fine but would happily turn it off if it was an issue. Why use more than Windows defender? The damn thing seems to get updates every few days with all the Vista updates.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 24, 2007, 3:00 pm

Well it is the corporate version of Symantec so it's not nearly as bloated and resource hungry as it would be if it were Norton AV.

Post by **Xouqoa** » July 25, 2007, 4:34 pm

Vista died on me. Completely. Kaput. I tried to uninstall a fingerprint sensor driver and my machine shut down completely. When I turned it back on, it wouldn't boot at all. Back to XP I go.

Also, I use ESET Nod32 for AV - so much nicer than the Norton stuff, and I don't even notice it running. Uses 23mb of ram, which seems reasonable.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » September 4, 2007, 5:05 pm

I just got a new machine over the weekend and decided to try Vista on it. I noticed I was getting horrible lag spikes making all online games unplayable. Checked online and found that the Vista WLan AutoConfig service scans for wireless networks every 30-60 seconds even if you are already connected to one.. causing a severe latency spike every time. Did a ping -t to my router and sure enough.. every 30 seconds I go from 1ms to 1k+ ms. The WLAN AutoConfig is a mandatory service if you want to have a wireless connection. Vista cockblocks any attempt to override it or install a third-party wireless management program.. so you are 100% stuck with their shit. How can they claim this is a suitable OS for gaming?

There are third party tools out there to Optimize your wireless connection in vista.. but I was having no luck at all with them. I decided to try using the older XP DLL's with my NIC rather than the Vista version and it finally works now and all I have to do is run a background optimization tool.. forever.

But I can't imagine how many people are out there who dont really care enough to notice the lag spikes.. probably completely oblivious that theyre actively being fucked in the ass by Vista. Probably blaming their ISP's or some shit. Just absolutely ridiculous

overall i'm totally not impressed after using it for 5 days. It offers nothing but DirectX10 over XP which, as everyone knows, is an artificial requirement placed there specifically to sell the OS. Everything is so fucking stupified for the average retard I keep expecting to see the paperclip man jump onto the screen with some sock puppets. I was hoping that setting it to "Classic" would get rid of the idiotic rehashings of Explorer and the Control Panel etc etc but its unfortunately just cosmetic. I'm sure I can customize it to make it work mostly like XP used to but I dont see a point to it.

Mostly I knew it was a bad move from the start and my face has been firmly planted in my hand, but I wanted to get a first hand experience so i can say "It sucks" rather than "I hear it sucks"

I'm going to just keep using it since I've fixed the wireless problem. If it gives me any more sass, its gone.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 4, 2007, 5:13 pm

I've made an attempt to switch back to XP but now when I try using Remote Desktop over SSH to connect to it from work I can't. And I didn't even do anything to my XP install other than install Windows updates. It was working fine a month or two ago whenever I installed Vista in a dual-boot mode. Once I figure that out I'll be back to XP for my main OS. I'll keep around the Vista install for use with any DX10 specific games that come out but other than that it's pointless. And I can't stand Windows Explorer in Vista. Just wanted to point that out again.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 4, 2007, 5:57 pm

cadalano wrote: Mostly I knew it was a bad move from the start and my face has been firmly planted in my hand, but I wanted to get a first hand experience so i can say "It sucks" rather than "I hear it sucks"

That's like me with the PS3! Sometimes you've got to bite the bullet and use the product to confirm the suckage!

Vista works fine for me with online games and I haven't tweaked anything. THe problem I do have is there are still apps and games out there that don't support Vista at all or very well. Second Life is one of those. I can't even play it atm...although Second Life tends to crash for everyone no matter what OS/video card they use depending on the version of the client...it's a crapshoot each time they release a new one.

What's the fix for the wireless 30-60 second search? I don't intend to have anything wireless connected to my network. I wonder if that had anything to do with my internet issues awhile back when I was getting dips in performance every 23 seconds or whatever it was.

Aslanna wrote:And I can't stand Windows Explorer in Vista. Just wanted to point that out again

I dont' like it either. Directory Opus is the best solution for XP or Vista.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » September 4, 2007, 8:23 pm

After the latest round of patches and crap, I've started getting bad "sending lag" in WoW. That is, I can sit there (sometimes for fully 2+ minutes) and read conversations and watch the fight and get updates on mob health, but I can't send any commands to WoW. I'm thinking it's a local issue since it doesn't seem to happen to everyone in the group.

It was almost reliably fucked in Alterac Valley, I'd go in w/ some people to kill Ballinda and at some point in that fight I wouldn't be able to cast any more.

I'm tempted to roll back to 2000 and see what isn't supported of my setup; if I can live without some "flash" added in XP, that would be the better option. In terms of speed and resources, the step 2000 -> XP was revolutionary, XP -> Vista is merely evolutionary.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » September 6, 2007, 12:32 am

Having gone back to XP from Vista, I can honestly say that I haven't missed it (Vista) once. Therefore, imo, there's nothing that Vista has that I wish I had in XP and thus, nothing worth installing it or dealing with any headaches for.

So if you're thinking of going back to XP, know you'll be happy and full of glee.

Mak · Post by **Mak** » September 6, 2007, 2:18 pm

Xouqoa wrote:Also, I use ESET Nod32 for AV - so much nicer than the Norton stuff, and I don't even notice it running. Uses 23mb of ram, which seems reasonable.

I've been using that one as well and I've been very pleased with it. It picks up the test virus before anything else I've tried.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » September 6, 2007, 7:00 pm

Mak wrote:
Xouqoa wrote:Also, I use ESET Nod32 for AV - so much nicer than the Norton stuff, and I don't even notice it running. Uses 23mb of ram, which seems reasonable.
I've been using that one as well and I've been very pleased with it. It picks up the test virus before anything else I've tried.

Are you talking about EICAR? ... before you say? ummm... yeah. funny.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 13, 2007, 3:33 pm

My Remote Desktop started working again for some reason (don't know why!) so I've been back to XP for a week now. There's nothing Vista has that I've missed by using XP. As a matter of fact there's things I have back that I missed with Vista (More system memory, a better Windows Explorer, solid system stability) so it's win-win!

Anyway I was using Vista for two months so nobdy can't say I didn't give it a chance.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » September 14, 2007, 1:27 am

Aslanna wrote:Anyway I was using Vista for two months so nobdy can't say I didn't give it a chance.

All we are saaaaaaying..

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 14, 2007, 2:11 am

Vista works fine for me!

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I wouldn't mind it being a little more streamlined but I'll take it over XP.

For those using the default file manager in XP or Vista, you're missing out. Directory Opus is an outstanding file manager. It can be fine tuned to get rid of all the extra crap (mine looks nothing like the example layouts on their website)...rewards those that want things exactly the way they like them!

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 14, 2007, 2:51 am

Vista mostly worked fine for me. Bottom line is XP works better. But if someone is happy using Vista I wont stand in their way!

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » September 14, 2007, 10:36 am

I am still loving Vista. I have seen some pretty large improvements on my system, and the only "gripe" I have is the new Explorer. I have not checked out Directory Opus yet though.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 27, 2007, 4:44 pm

I still hate Vista. It is still a POS. And developing software for it is still a royal pain in the ass.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » September 28, 2007, 12:17 am

Some editor published an article saying that Microsoft should withdraw Vista. I LOL'd. I'd find it and post it here, but I'm lazy. Google!

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 28, 2007, 12:40 am

Windows ME > Vista!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 28, 2007, 12:51 am

Vista works great for me. I'd recommend people that don't want to take the time to tweak their OS to maximize performance stay with XP.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 28, 2007, 12:59 am

XP works great for me. I'd recommend people that want to waste time tweaking their OS stay with Vista.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 28, 2007, 3:46 am

It's not a constant tweaking and certainly not a waste as you need to tweak both XP and Vista to get the most out of them and avoid many of the built in apps. With XP, you're much more familiar and already know what to do since XP's probably been installed multiple times by most people, along with reinstalling software, etc. You start off with substantial tweakage, followed by mini tweaks and learning the ins and outs of the new OS. Now it's better than XP.

It's the same as modding something or setting up emulators. It initially takes some time but then it's all goodness after that.

I'm not promoting Vista. XP is fine but Vista isn't as bad as it's being made out to be. It might be for programmers but I'm not one of them!

I'd prefer it if Microsoft had a super streamlined OS option as well. I wouldn't mind getting rid of the bloat.

I just tweaked something!

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 28, 2007, 8:51 am

I spent two months with Vista. How much more time should it take? After that amount of time I found no goodness in Vista only annoyances that weren't there in XP and definitely nothing that made it "better than XP". That's a bit of a ridiculous statement to begin with as it's all subjective and a matter of personal opinion. Personally when I install XP I spend hardly no time tweaking it. Certainly not anything close to "substantial tweakage"

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 28, 2007, 9:45 am

I'll preface by saying I haven't tried Vista. From everything I've read about it (and the price), I seriously doubt I ever will. DX-10 support would be about the only thing that could force me into it, and I'd likely take another route if available at that point.

Why Microsoft must abandon Vista to save itself

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » September 28, 2007, 10:31 am

I'm still not having any issues with Vista. I don't have to tweak anything to keep everything running smooth either.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 28, 2007, 1:43 pm

By tweaking, I mostly mean adding applications that are better than the default apps (file managing, etc).

The file manager for both XP and Vista is inadequate.

I may have overstated the tweaking part. I meant more about learning how Vista handles things and it's new report features, etc, takes time.

I backup my OS on a regular basis so don't plan on needing to do any time consuming configuring again until my next Motherboard/CPU upgrade.

I'm not here to pimp Vista like I do other apps. I don't feel that strongly about it but it does seem to get hammered for changes that take getting used to, sort of like the phpBB3 UI for VV. It's better than the old one but people are very familiar with the old. Not making excuses. XP works fine and can be tweaked for improved performance as well.

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