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cadalano wrote:Also, isnt there going to be fallout pretty much sweeping the US at this point? Blow him up in the ocean, doofus.. not the stratosphere
Actually it'd probably be blowing over to Europe. So that's ok.

There's still be the EMP issue!

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miir wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:What I don't understand is....why could Peter not control the fire power? He had no problem with any other power. It really doesn't make any sense. But, it was good TV.
Well, it took Sprague years to be able to control his power.
It's not really beyond 'suspension of disbelief' that Peter would have a hard time controlling it the day of... or a few days after he absorbed the power.

I'm not sure about Sylar though.
Maybe because he absorbed Spragues brain, he also absorbed the knowledge and power to control it.
It didn't take Sprague years. It took him the same amount of time it took all the others who realized they had powers. This didn't happen over a period of years. Also, he didn't fumble and have any of the other powers go haywire on him. He didn't start flying all over uncontrollably, etc.
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Maybe he just had too many powers in his memory? It looks like Nikki's power put Peter into overload.

I was really hoping Peter was going to stay (he can still be alive though). Next volume will be interesting. Will the guy Molly talked about make an appearance and will he team up with Sylar?
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
miir wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:What I don't understand is....why could Peter not control the fire power? He had no problem with any other power. It really doesn't make any sense. But, it was good TV.
Well, it took Sprague years to be able to control his power.
It's not really beyond 'suspension of disbelief' that Peter would have a hard time controlling it the day of... or a few days after he absorbed the power.

I'm not sure about Sylar though.
Maybe because he absorbed Spragues brain, he also absorbed the knowledge and power to control it.
It didn't take Sprague years. It took him the same amount of time it took all the others who realized they had powers. This didn't happen over a period of years. Also, he didn't fumble and have any of the other powers go haywire on him. He didn't start flying all over uncontrollably, etc.
It took Sprague some amount of time that was longer than the day or so Peter had the power. Also, Sprague had trouble controlling it at first, as evidenced by him killing his wife.
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Remember the ep a while back when Noah (Mr. Bennett) said they had looked at Sprague and said he barely registered as radioactive and was deemed safe and let go by the company?

Sprague had time to master the power since it came gradually.

Sylar has experience taking people's power and tests them out extensively when he aquires them.

Peter soaks up stuff without being concious about it and shit just happens to him. Take into account that he's ruled by his emotions and those emotions trigger the powers and you have a disaster in the making(in this case a nuclear explosion).
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Animalor wrote:Remember the ep a while back when Noah (Mr. Bennett) said they had looked at Sprague and said he barely registered as radioactive and was deemed safe and let go by the company?

Sprague had time to master the power since it came gradually.

Sylar has experience taking people's power and tests them out extensively when he aquires them.

Peter soaks up stuff without being concious about it and shit just happens to him. Take into account that he's ruled by his emotions and those emotions trigger the powers and you have a disaster in the making(in this case a nuclear explosion).
Yes. Very good. Emotions. I like that idea the best. Plus, I was thinking about how those damn drawings probably contributed to him mentally accepting he did it.
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What's this about the six Origin's episodes? When do they start?
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I thought they were just on next Fall's schedule. I hadn't seen anything about them being scheduled for Summer as well.
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Moonwynd wrote:What's this about the six Origin's episodes? When do they start?
'Heroes' Expands Universe with 'Origins'

Stand-alone episodes will help NBC cut down on repeats

By Rick Porter

NEW YORK -- You want more "Heroes"? NBC is going to give you more "Heroes" next season.

The network has hit upon a way to keep the show repeat for nearly the entire season, ordering more episodes of the show and embarking on a quasi-spinoff called "Heroes: Origins." Combined, the shows will account for 30 original episodes next season.

"We've got something I call the 'bulk-up challenge' for next year, which is trying to stay more consistent in our scheduling for the audience," NBC chief Kevin Reilly told reporters Monday at a press conference announcing the network's 2007-08 schedule. "We asked ['Heroes' creator] Tim Kring to come up with an idea, and what I love is not only did we bulk up with 30 hours next season, but also a whole new idea which I think is going to take the show to the next level."

The "Origins" series will consist of six stand-alone episodes, with each one introducing a new character and telling his or her back story. They'll take place within the "Heroes" universe but won't be tied into the main arc of the series, although one or two regular characters may pop up.

It will also carry an interactive element: After all six "Origins" episodes air, viewers will be able to vote on which character joins the main show the following season.

The idea for "Origins" springs from positive fan reaction to several side characters introduced this season -- Reilly cites Charlie (Jayma Mays), the waitress with the perfect memory, as an example -- and a desire to avoid momentum-draining breaks like the one the show took earlier this spring.

"I don't think the audience minds taking a week off, particularly during the holidays," Reilly says. "It's just the long hiatuses or weeks worth of repeats where we get in trouble."

Just how the "Origins" episodes will be scheduled along with the main "Heroes" storyline has yet to be worked out. The most likely scenario, Reilly says, will be to have "Heroes" start its second season in the fall and run more or less straight through its 24 episodes, with perhaps a short break during the holidays. "Origins" would then follow at the end of the season. Another option would be to run "Origins" "as a chunk" in the spring, before the concluding episodes of "Heroes."

"I'll tell you one thing you won't see is 'Origins' peppered throughout," he says. "I think that would be difficult for the audience to navigate."
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I was under the impression that those Origins episodes would be shown throughout the season, rather than before, like your earlier post seemed to imply.
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Another option would be to run "Origins" "as a chunk" in the spring, before the concluding episodes of "Heroes."

I would think this one would be the most likely.
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Whatever it takes to not have a 45 day gap and another long gap before that in the middle of a season of Heroes. I think that really hurt the show this year.
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If Sylar is alive, and it looks like he is, I hope they leave him out of the story for a few seasons, then have him come back again. Like Aslanna, I've had enough of him for now. I think Nathan's dead personally. Peter probably won't be, but I wouldn't mind him dying. I was expecting DL and Parkman to kick the bucket without question, but looks like they'll be sticking around.

Can't wait to eventually learn what Sulu, Peters mom, and Charles' powers are/were.

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NOAH, indeed!

I was kind of hoping that the super badass guy that Molly was so scared of came out of the sewer and dragged Sylar down there to do something with him. With as much blood as you could see, it seems like it would have been difficult for Sylar to make it down there on his own.

At any rate, I look forward to the new supervillain that will for sure be showing up next season. And with the talk I've heard of not all the heroes returning next season, I wouldn't be surprised if Parkman or DL still died.

Is Nikki gone now? I wondered last night, is her (the collective nikki/jessica) superpower just strength, and she has the added bonus of split-personality, which isn't a superpower at all? Nor a bonus, for that matter.
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I think Jessica is the one that's gone with Nikki starting to use the Super Strength.
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Wait, which is the bad one? I was thinking Nikki was the bad one.

I mean that I think the bad one is gone, and they both always had super strength, the good one just didn't know how to use it.
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Nikki was the good one, Jessica was the bad one. For the rest you have it spot on.
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Sylvus wrote:NOAH, indeed!

I was kind of hoping that the super badass guy that Molly was so scared of came out of the sewer and dragged Sylar down there to do something with him. With as much blood as you could see, it seems like it would have been difficult for Sylar to make it down there on his own.

At any rate, I look forward to the new supervillain that will for sure be showing up next season. And with the talk I've heard of not all the heroes returning next season, I wouldn't be surprised if Parkman or DL still died.

Is Nikki gone now? I wondered last night, is her (the collective nikki/jessica) superpower just strength, and she has the added bonus of split-personality, which isn't a superpower at all? Nor a bonus, for that matter.
I agree, my thoughts were that maybe the bad guy dragged sylar down into the sewer.. I just think having him still be alive would be absolutely ridiculous.
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Spoilers from a Yahoo TV writer. Not sure of how reliable she is.

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/urn:ne ... XQwYuAo9EF
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Which one screwed Nathan's brains out? That's the good one as far as I'm concerned. Get your priorities straight! :twisted:
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Zygar wrote:Spoilers from a Yahoo TV writer. Not sure of how reliable she is.

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/urn:ne ... XQwYuAo9EF
Article wrote:Hiro is stuck in the 17th Century! This is the reveal of another tease I gave you long ago, that Hiro would not be with the rest of the Heroes at the beginning of season two. He will be in 17th Century China in the midst of a war, and it will take him a few good episodes to get back to present-day NYC. And by the way, those last few minutes of tonight's finale will be the first few minutes of season two's premiere.
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She changed from saying Hiro was going to China and then to japan in the same article :(
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I loved last night's episode! One thing I didn't understand though... If Claire would have shot Peter to stop him from exploding, couldn't he have regenerated from the shot. For that matter, what exactly did the drug inside the capsules do?

Also, another thing- Why couldn't Peter fly off himself, away from the city, instead of having to have Nathan do it for him?
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nm. beat me to it
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So I just got around to watching the episode on nbc.com... and yeah, what the fuck? Not only was the final "battle" the most anticlimactic thing I've seen in a while, the entire time I kept thinking "Fly the fuck away you moron". His brother's flight was the first power he ever absorbed. Goddamn, what is with all the piss-poor writing as of late?
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I kind of chalked his not flying up to being a symptom of whatever problem was causing him to go supernova. If he can't control the radioactive power, and is trying with all of his ability, he might not be able to use other powers at the same time.
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I suppose that's certainly possible, but it just seemed really lame to me.
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He definately became unstable after absorbing Sprague's power.
He was pretty useless fighting sylar.
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I'm just wanting to get Nikki in some skin tight spandex! :twisted:

Sylar living reminded me of a comic book ending where the bad guy gets away to plan for another day. All in all a good series. I was actually giddy last night watching. Now I want more. I don't know if I would buy the dvd season though because I'm not sure if I would want to go through all those long episodes of the internal conflicts and such. Bah, I'd prolly still buy them though. The special features would be worth it.
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is this show still on? did anything ever happen in it or was it like the first 10 or so episodes I saw
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From everything that has been seen so far...Peter is only able to use one power at a time.

Hence why he couldn't fly since he was trying not to supernova.
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This article sums up perfectly how I feel.
That was an extremely disappointing season finale.

Of course, there was no way that it couldn't have been, unless, as EW music critic Neil Drumming suggested to me this weekend, the bomb actually went off and all our main characters died. That would have been awesome, solely because it would have been the most unexpected thing the show could have done. And Heroes has been anything but unexpected in these three final episodes. In episode 23, ''How to Stop an Exploding Man,'' it was downright boring.

Did anyone think that Hiro wouldn't kill Sylar? Did anyone think that the bomb wouldn't go off? The only mildly shocking thing that happened was that Peter was the bomb, not Sylar — but we've been led to believe that Peter was the bomb for half the season, so, actually, no, that wasn't shocking at all.

So, in the end, this is what we waited half a season for? The big showdown between Sylar and all the heroes consisted of this: He telekinetically choked Peter, then hit him with a parking meter, which Niki seized and used to knock Sylar down. Then Peter, despite having every power in the world, gave Sylar a couple punches before Hiro ran Sylar through with a sword. (So even though we've previously seen Sylar violently throw people across large distances with his mind, he couldn't do anything to stop Hiro.) Then, and only after being run through with a sword, Sylar threw Hiro across the entire plaza. And then his body disappeared.

This is just the latest and most grievous example of what has bothered me throughout the season. Although it is for all intents and purposes a comic-book show, Heroes has unforgivably failed to make its few action scenes dynamic. I don't know if there's anyone in particular to blame, but the show is listlessly staged. I've made this complaint before (for example, in the save-the-cheerleader episode), but if you're going to spend entire episodes setting something up, don't dispose of it in mere seconds, dammit! Would it be too much to reward us loyal viewers with something thrilling?

Apparently so. Instead, we were subjected to a scene in which Peter somehow was able to view a conversation between the now-dead Mr. Deveaux and Peter's mother. Knowing that this doesn't make much sense, the show didn't even try to explain what the hell was going on. Peter: ''Is this a dream? Am I time-traveling? Or are you doing this?'' Deveaux: ''It doesn't really matter what it is, now does it?'' Well, then, I guess it doesn't matter. Thanks for clearing that up. The scene served no purpose other than to give us these precious insights concerning Peter: ''Your heart has the ability to love unconditionally....In the end, all that matters is love.'' Oh. Okay. Thanks for clearing that up, too.

And still, with all this ''All You Need Is Love'' talk, the emotional climax of the episode, of the season, sadly fell flat. It was always a fair bet that Nathan (as was presaged in Peter's fever dream) would be there with his brother at the end. And he was, arriving at the last second to fly nuclear Peter into the atmosphere, sacrificing himself. Yet again, this all felt so rushed. These two brothers, who love each other so much, realizing that they're going to die together, one of them redeeming himself at the last minute — there was so much potential for emotion, for release, for pathos. Yet...nothing. Was it the actors' fault? The writers'? The director's? Probably everybody's. Why not draw that out a little more? Why not show us the moment when Nathan decided not to go through with his mother's plan? (By the way, why couldn't Peter just fly into space by himself? Or, on the flip side, why not just have Claire shoot Peter in the head? It would toughen her up.) So, in summary, this episode botched its chance to have a really kick-ass battle royal, and it also botched its chance to have a very emotional, character-driven scene.

There were some small pleasures. Finally discovering H.R.G.'s first name (Noah, another in the line of Heroes' biblical names), Claire throwing herself out of a window to escape her father and diabolical grandmother, and Ando's final words to his best friend (''Hiro...You look badass''). Not to mention the blatant attempt to set up next season's villain:

Molly (after Parkman asked if she can really find anyone just by thinking about them): ''Almost anyone.''

Parkman: ''Almost?''

Molly: ''There's one that I can't.''

Parkman: ''Who is that? Is it someone bad, like the Boogeyman?''

Molly: ''No. He's a lot worse.''

Parkman: ''Why don't you want to find him?''

Molly: ''Because when I think about him [in whispery Haley Joel Osment voice], he can see me.''

Scary, huh? I feel bad for next season's characters, because if everyone underestimated Sylar on the regular (both Parkman and Ando, for example, stupidly running off with simple weapons to try to take him down despite having seen what he can do), imagine how dumb they'll be around this new villain.

I would like to say that Parkman is dead because he was hit in the torso with four — four — bullets, but this show is frustratingly uneven with whom it chooses to mortally injure yet have survive (D.L., shot in the gut but still alive, for example).

So this is how volume 1 ends, clearly not with a bang and with maybe just a little more than a whimper. On to volume 2, ''Generations,'' which started with an amusing bit where Hiro is transported back to 1671 Kyoto, right in the middle of a samurai battle potentially starring his childhood hero. Cue a solar eclipse, and we close out as we started, with Hiro looking up into the sky.

I've ragged on this season finale a ton here, and it's only because the expectations were high, since all season long each character has been moving toward New York City for this one moment. How could I not have wanted more?

How about you all? Were you as let down as I was? Were any of you actually satisfied? Anyone super-bummed about the Petrellis' death? (Or did one or both of the brothers survive?) And are you coming back for next season? What if it takes place in the past? Let loose, TV Watchers. And enjoy your summers.
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The writer of that article seems like an asshole. Hint: don't watch a TV show that revolves around people with super human abilities if you can't suspend reality while watching. You can rag on anything endlessly if you are focused on it. (I do sometimes!)

Hiro's final scene may have been a bit lame but Heroes is more about trying to figure things out throughout the season than the actual season ending event itself. I'd rank several episodes above the season finale. "Company Man" is probably my favorite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Heroes_episodes

I see Mohinder and company using Molly like Profesor X uses Cerebro to track down new heroes for the "Origins" show.
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The author seems to have a problem with the implied action rather than action that is shown on the show. I've always kind of accepted that as a given being that it's a TV show. There's a reason Spiderman 3 cost like 300+ million dollars to make: comic book action is expensive to produce.

Yeah the season finale wasn't the best episode of television that I've ever seen, but overall I think this season of Heroes was about as entertaining as any network show that I can remember.
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Some Season Two Heroes info:
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The last couple of weeks have brought plentiful rumorage concerning what the next season of Heroes holds for fans. As NBC's hit approaches the beginning of its second season production, cast, crew, and the ever popular 'anonymous' have been spilling details left and right.

Who's dead, who survives, what are the new characters roles? All of these questions have been answered along with a few new ones that promise a new direction for Heroes. Most prominently the introduction of a new super villain that will eclipse Sylar in evil.

With that in mind, let the bullets fly!

* Of the Heroes Origins episodes, writer Jeph Loeb told IFMagazine that some characters introduced in those episodes may not even live to join the frey! Can we assume we might finally learn the source of some of Sylar's powers?

* Ever notice how cockroaches appear whenever Sylar is in trouble. Seems the bugs might be the minions of the thousand year old super evil dude Kane who joins Heroes this season. The part is rumored to be played by David Anders of Alias fame. Kane has a keen interest in young Sylar. Rescue bugs. Who knew!?

* Nathan Lives! Adrian Pasdar confirmed multiple times while traveling with Masi Oka that Nathan will be back next season.

* Ando will return. Hiro will spend a little time in the past to refine his skills under his personal Hero's tutorledge, but when he returns he will definitely return to Japan to rescue his buddy Ando from the cubicle jungles.

* Hiro will find a love interest in feudal Japan, and may bring her back to the future with untold consequences. The part of Hiro’s damsel in distress may be played by none other than the recently crowned Miss Universe Riyo Mori.

* As long as you have a character like Hiro, death is most certainly not the end for you on Heroes. On that note, expect to see more Isaac, Simone, and Simone's dad in season two as Peter (now equipped with time tripping abilities) journeys into the past to unravel the mystery left hanging by the season one finale.
None of it is too bad (won't ruin the plot too much) but it does reveal who lives and some of what's going to happen in season two.
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BBC Two is to take viewers behind the scenes of their US produced sci-fi series Heroes with a new companion show called Heroes Unmasked.

Promising "insightful interviews and exclusive backstage access" the episode one introduces viewers to the characters and creators who are going to take them on a ride throughout the summer of 2007.

From crashing vans to clashing swords, prosthetic models to painful stunts, no hero is left unturned, as Unmasked shows that it takes heroes on both sides of the cameras to bring this series to life.

To launch Heroes Unmasked, Hayden Panettiere (cheerleader Claire Bennet in the series) talks through how she came to walk through fire and reveals exactly how Claire's hand became so mangled, in all its gory detail. This first episode perfectly illustrates the skill, scale and expertise that goes into making Heroes, and how the Heroes are set for a bumpy ride.
I watched the first one. Was only 8 minutes. And wasn't anything about Claire! Maybe that will start with the next installment.
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Finally, some HEROES news!

Has anyone seen a start date for the HEROES: Origins that will introduce new heroes that the viewers vote on for adding to the next season?
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Nice!
Kevin Smith has signed to write and direct the first episode of Heroes: Origins. It will air in April. Each episode will have a different auteur at its helm, and yes, Smith is the first up. He promises to bring us the story of the two gay heroes. "The Japanese dudes are gay, right?" He was kidding.
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haha. This is going to be good.
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Couple Heroes updates as we get close to the start of Season Two:

Veronica Mars (Kristen Bell) to join Heroe's Cast:

http://www.tubewad.com/veronica-mars-jo ... 051-p.html

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Sylar will play the role of Spock in the upcoming Star Trek movie: (Lucius as Kirk and Titus as Scotty?...gotta squeeze in some Rome actors!)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4143100a1870.html

Season Two starts September 24th!
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Kristen Bell is super cute.
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Winnow wrote:Couple Heroes updates as we get close to the start of Season Two:

Veronica Mars (Kristen Bell) to join Heroe's Cast:

http://www.tubewad.com/veronica-mars-jo ... 051-p.html

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Sylar will play the role of Spock in the upcoming Star Trek movie: (Lucius as Kirk and Titus as Scotty?...gotta squeeze in some Rome actors!)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4143100a1870.html

Season Two starts September 24th!
Tom Cruise is also rumored to make a cameo in the Star Trek movie as Kirk's mentor.
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The DVD of season 1 is pretty entertaining so far. I was watching the second episode and was amazed by how many times the symbol that the Haitian wear around his neck turned up. There was of course the obvious ones on all the paintings in the Isaac's future studio, but there was also others hidden, like the horizontal image of one in the code Professor Suresh had figured out, one made out of debris in the pool where the girl was found by Parkman.

Also funny how they were originally going to have a whole Islamist terrorist thread to the show, and one of them was the first version of Ted basically with the radioactive powers. In the actual first episode, when Isaac is throwing paint over the painting to destroy it, he's actually destroying a painting of the then-cut terrorist causing a glass of water to bubble.

Only watched a few episodes so far. I dunno if it was ever hypothesized about here, but I think the symbol mentioned above is supposed to be a section of human DNA, I'm guessing the parts that are meant to represent the next genetic leap forward for humanity.
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According to one of the Heroes Unmasked episodes it's a helix which is based on the DNA strands. What it actually signifies though they didn't say.
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I've never seen a single episode of Heros but bought the DVD based purely on the excellent reviews. I did the same thing with Lost.

Heros is above average television. The story arcs are very well done, and there are tons of twists and turns so far. I'm only on episode 8 or 9, but my wife and I are loving it so far. The fact that is in widescreen and uses the entire tv is a huge bonus.

I paid 36$ for Season 1. That is a great DVD of a fantastic show at a good price.

I still have to watch Season 2 of Lost before Season 3 comes out Dec 11th!
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Just got done watching the show on DVDs too. I must say that this show is now in my Top 3: Lost, BSG, and Heroes will complete my sci-fi triumvirate of television. I'm looking forward to watching this upcoming season.

Hiro and Ando have to be the most endearing people on the face of the planet.
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Check out this guy's collection of HEROES stuff:

http://forums.thetenthwonder.com/viewtopic.php?t=2301

Lots of picts in the thread fyi.

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omg where'd all the posts go!
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No idea what you're talking about.

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