One of the best things about the USA is NASA. These guys fucking rock and this is cool news. God I love spaceWASHINGTON (AFP) - US astronomers on Tuesday presented the most solid proof yet of the existence of dark matter, a mysterious substance believed to make up more than a quarter of the universe.
Astronomers using the Hubble Space Telescope spotted a ring of dark matter in a galaxy cluster some five billion light-years away from Earth, which measured some 2.6 million light-years across.
"This is the first time we have detected dark matter as having a unique structure that is different from the gas and galaxies in the cluster," said James Jee, a member of NASA's team of astronomers.
Astronomers have long suspected there must be some substance holding galaxy clusters together, otherwise galaxies would only have the gravity from their visible stars, which would not be enough to keep them from flying apart.
Though invisible, astronomers have inferred dark matter exists by observing how its gravity bends the light of more distant background galaxies.
"Although the invisible matter has been found before in other galaxy clusters, it has never been detected to be so largely separated from the hot gas and the galaxies that make up galaxy clusters," said Jee, who works at the Johns Hopkins University.
"By seeing a dark matter structure that is not traced by galaxies and hot gas, we can study how it behaves differently from normal matter," he said.
US astronomers said they made the discovery accidentally while mapping the distribution of dark matter within the ZwC10024+1652 cluster in August 2006.
As they studied their data the astronomers noticed a ripple in the dark matter, similar to ripples created when a stone is plopped into a pond.
Jee said that at first he was upset when he found the ring because he thought there was a flaw in the team's data reduction.
He then found research published in 2002 suggesting that the cluster under observation had collided with another cluster one to two billion years ago.
The collision occurred along Earths line of sight, and from this perspective the dark-matter structure looks like a ring.
In a computer simulation of a galaxy clusters collision, dark matter first falls to the center of the combined cluster, then moves outward but begins to slow under the pull of gravity.
NASA described the phenomenon in a statement as being "like cars bunched up on a highway."
"Nature is doing an experiment for us that we can't do in a lab, and it agrees with our theoretical models," said team member Holland Ford, also of Johns Hopkins University.
The galaxy cluster collision "created a ripple of dark matter which left distinct footprints in the shapes of the background galaxies," said Jee.
"It's like looking at the pebbles on the bottom of a pond with ripples on the surface. The pebbles' shapes appear to change as the ripples pass over them," Jee said.
"So, too, the background galaxies behind the ring show coherent changes in their shapes due to the presence of the dense ring."
NASA says it has proof that Dark matter exists
NASA says it has proof that Dark matter exists
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I only know this because my wife now works at virgin, but behold:
apparantly as part of their training they are told that branson is the most famous man in america, i wonder who they polled for that
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3693020.stm
Virgin boss in space tourism bid
The deal will see a bigger version of SpaceShipOne being developed
Virgin boss Sir Richard Branson has signed a £14m agreement which will see his company take passengers into space.
The British entrepreneur is having five "spaceliners" built in the US by the team behind the SpaceShipOne vehicle.
The California-based rocket plane became the first privately developed carrier to go above 100km in June.
Sir Richard says it will cost around £100,000 to go on a "Virgin Galactic" spaceliner, and the first flights should begin in about three years' time.
If it is a success, we want to move into orbital flights and then, possibly, even get a hotel up there
Sir Richard Branson
Sir Richard revealed his new venture at a briefing held on Monday at the Royal Aeronautical Society in London.
"We've done quite a lot of research; we think there are about 3,000 people out there who would want to do this," Sir Richard told the BBC.
"If it is a success, we want to move into orbital flights and then, possibly, even get a hotel up there."
apparantly as part of their training they are told that branson is the most famous man in america, i wonder who they polled for that
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3693020.stm
Virgin boss in space tourism bid
The deal will see a bigger version of SpaceShipOne being developed
Virgin boss Sir Richard Branson has signed a £14m agreement which will see his company take passengers into space.
The British entrepreneur is having five "spaceliners" built in the US by the team behind the SpaceShipOne vehicle.
The California-based rocket plane became the first privately developed carrier to go above 100km in June.
Sir Richard says it will cost around £100,000 to go on a "Virgin Galactic" spaceliner, and the first flights should begin in about three years' time.
If it is a success, we want to move into orbital flights and then, possibly, even get a hotel up there
Sir Richard Branson
Sir Richard revealed his new venture at a briefing held on Monday at the Royal Aeronautical Society in London.
"We've done quite a lot of research; we think there are about 3,000 people out there who would want to do this," Sir Richard told the BBC.
"If it is a success, we want to move into orbital flights and then, possibly, even get a hotel up there."
It's a start, but taking a ride up into weightlessness in a little cabin with little windows doesn't seem that exciting to me.
The main attraction for me would be to have a little room (think Skylab from the 70's) to enjoy weightlessness and a day to take it all in.

Skylab had some room to move around in.
Weeeee!
The main attraction for me would be to have a little room (think Skylab from the 70's) to enjoy weightlessness and a day to take it all in.

Skylab had some room to move around in.
Weeeee!
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NASA's latest find shows that there is compelling evidence Mars once had water.
It seems like every time I turn around, they're discovering something monumental. It's a good time for the space program.
NASA's latest find shows that there is compelling evidence Mars once had water.
It seems like every time I turn around, they're discovering something monumental. It's a good time for the space program.
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The rovers are the best bang for the buck ever for NASA. Well for planetology anyway. Hubble and Chandra have done amazing science too.Kaldaur wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20070521/ ... waterypast
NASA's latest find shows that there is compelling evidence Mars once had water.
It seems like every time I turn around, they're discovering something monumental. It's a good time for the space program.
NASA can have as much money as they want for non manned planetary and interstellar science. I'm OK with the manned mission to Moon/Mars as well but I'd want to scrutinize the plan a little more and try to convert some of the war machine companies to the Manned Space mission projects so at least we'd be overpaying for something that has a chance of being good for mankind.
yeah right.Deward wrote:For every good thing that comes out of NASA, a thousand cost overruns and mismanagement mar the result. NASA is one giant bureauacracy(?) that spends too much money on lobbyists. A private organization with their kind of backing would have a colony on Mars by now.
nothing is stopping a private company from building a spaceship that goes to mars ...
oh yeah one thing is....nobody is going to invest billions of dollars in a bomb with a couple of nuts strapped on top of it that will make it back and forth between two planets.
Without federal investment in science and technology, truly groundbreaking innovation that is generations ahead of private industry investment cycles is massively reduced.
I couldn't agree more, I wonder if the majority of Americans feel this way?NASA can have as much money as they want for non manned planetary and interstellar science. I'm OK with the manned mission to Moon/Mars as well but I'd want to scrutinize the plan a little more and try to convert some of the war machine companies to the Manned Space mission projects so at least we'd be overpaying for something that has a chance of being good for mankind.
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My new wallpaper! Part of Victoria Crater that the Mars rover Opportunity is about to descend into.
Image is too large to fit embedded so here's link:
Victoria Crater - Picture Taken by Mar Opportunity Rover
The only thing that would make the picture better would be to drive the Spirit rover over from the other side of Mars so it could take a picture with Opportunity in it!
Just incredible that these rovers have been roaming around Mars for ~30 months (10 times their expected life) and still going strong.
Image is too large to fit embedded so here's link:
Victoria Crater - Picture Taken by Mar Opportunity Rover
The only thing that would make the picture better would be to drive the Spirit rover over from the other side of Mars so it could take a picture with Opportunity in it!
Just incredible that these rovers have been roaming around Mars for ~30 months (10 times their expected life) and still going strong.
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Whoa...what is the blue terrain? And the atmosphere looks similar to our sky. For some reason, I always thought it would be a reddish color. How amazing is that.
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Colors are shifted to show variance in surface materials.Kaldaur wrote:Whoa...what is the blue terrain? And the atmosphere looks similar to our sky. For some reason, I always thought it would be a reddish color. How amazing is that.
This is non adjust picture (i think)This image was taken by Opportunity's panoramic camera on sol 1167 (May 6, 2007). It is presented in false color to accentuate differences in surface materials.
Victoria Crater
This image captured by NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity shows "Cape St. Vincent," one of the many promontories that jut out from the walls of Victoria Crater, Mars. The material at the top of the promontory consists of loose, jumbled rock, then a bit further down into the crater, abruptly transitions to solid bedrock. This transition point is marked by a bright band of rock, visible around the entire crater.
Scientists say this bright band represents what used to be the surface of Mars before it was impacted to form Victoria Crater. As Opportunity begins to descend into the crater in early July 2007, it will examine the band carefully at an accessible location with a gentle slope. These investigations might help determine if the band's brighter appearance is the result of ancient interactions with the Martian atmosphere.
This image was taken by Opportunity's panoramic camera on sol 1167 (May 6, 2007). It is presented in approximately true color.
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The problem with this argument is that it assumes that there is profit to be made from space exploration. Private companies are interested in the short term gain for themselves and their stockholders. They don't give two shits about what will happen a decade from now, much less a century from now.Deward wrote:For every good thing that comes out of NASA, a thousand cost overruns and mismanagement mar the result. NASA is one giant bureauacracy(?) that spends too much money on lobbyists. A private organization with their kind of backing would have a colony on Mars by now.
In addition, there is no single entity on this earth that has as much money as the United States government. It is the best financially suited institution that can and should carry out these endeavors.
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Now if only there were a way to convince the American public that there are brown people to kill in space...
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Were working on that, theyre making a TV series out of Preachers, where the sheriff hate "martian niggers" and think theyre planning to abduct him. That might convince some people theyre out theremasteen wrote:Now if only there were a way to convince the American public that there are brown people to kill in space...
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Re: NASA says it has proof that Dark matter exists
I just changed my daughter's diaper. I too have proof that Dark Matter exists.
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I've always been fascinated with the scale of things.
It's hard to imagine the distances in space but someone attempted to show just how much space is in a single atom.
There's nothing in an atom! It's all space! Check this link out:
http://www.phrenopolis.com/perspective/atom/#electron
A photon is shown on the left. The page designer then places an electron, to scale on the right side of the page. With the Electron being a single pixel, there are 50 Million pixels between it and the photon with the scale presented on the page.
Mind boggling. You can only get a grasp of the distance and emptiness by clicking the scroll button. Dragging the scroll bad doesn't provide a good feel for the distance. When you use the scroll arrow, that bar doesn't budge.
There's nothing in space and it appears there's next to nothing in inner space. In school, I never pictured or imagined that was that much empty space in an atom (and that's just the radius) and that an electron was that much smaller than a proton.
It's hard to imagine the distances in space but someone attempted to show just how much space is in a single atom.
There's nothing in an atom! It's all space! Check this link out:
http://www.phrenopolis.com/perspective/atom/#electron
A photon is shown on the left. The page designer then places an electron, to scale on the right side of the page. With the Electron being a single pixel, there are 50 Million pixels between it and the photon with the scale presented on the page.
Mind boggling. You can only get a grasp of the distance and emptiness by clicking the scroll button. Dragging the scroll bad doesn't provide a good feel for the distance. When you use the scroll arrow, that bar doesn't budge.
There's nothing in space and it appears there's next to nothing in inner space. In school, I never pictured or imagined that was that much empty space in an atom (and that's just the radius) and that an electron was that much smaller than a proton.
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Earth and the Moon as seen from one of the orbiting Mars satellites:


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You stole my replyAshur wrote:I just changed my daughter's diaper. I too have proof that Dark Matter exists.
Baby diapers can be shocking.

