Personal Political Candidate Selector

[Tuddi2]

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Dennis Kucinich (67%) Click here for info
3. Barack Obama (65%) Click here for info
4. Christopher Dodd (62%) Click here for info
5. Al Gore (58%) Click here for info
6. Wesley Clark (54%) Click here for info
7. Hillary Clinton (52%) Click here for info
8. John Edwards (52%) Click here for info
9. Joseph Biden (50%) Click here for info
10. Bill Richardson (50%) Click here for info


if i got to vote i'd turn in empty though.

[Xyun]

Please, impress me w/ your brilliance as to why, as I'd love to hear you stumble. Keep in mind there is more than one demo candidate and that just about all candidates have different opinions on at least one topic (just like any person would).

What's to explain? Dems are overly sensitice whiney little cunts. You fags get offended at the drop of a dime. It's fucking sad. When we are a society of mindless robots with no individuality you will only have yourselves to blame.

Everyone is a whiny cunt about an issue that they disagree with. Some dems are cunts about limiting free speech or video game violence, no right to gay marriage or no right to abortion while some reps are whiny cunts about limiting free speech or video game violence as well, giving the right for gays to marry, or not allowing people choice to have an abortion if they think its not morally wrong.
Is the NRA a bunch whiny cunts because they disagree with a holding period in order to purchase a firearm?
You do understand that there are reps that want to limit free speech for the fear of being too offensive while there are dems that don't. You know, the whole, look at the candidate as opposed to blanketing due to the party affiliation. Is any of this getting through or do you only see your point of view and every other means they are just a bunch of whiny cunts?

Gonna have to agree with Mid on this one. Dems just got no backbone. It's not just a stereotype. They generally don't step up to the plate when the time is right and then they'll whine about it later. Dems control congress, why the fuck are we still funding this war??

It's fucking ludicrous.

But I'd rather be a spineless democrat than a mindless republican any day of the week.

Luckily for me, I'm a genius with giant balls.

i'm assuming you thought that was going to be profound?

The size of my balls is very profound.




EDIT: Case in point

[Chidoro]

What's to explain? Dems are overly sensitice whiney little cunts. You fags get offended at the drop of a dime. It's fucking sad. When we are a society of mindless robots with no individuality you will only have yourselves to blame.

Everyone is a whiny cunt about an issue that they disagree with. Some dems are cunts about limiting free speech or video game violence, no right to gay marriage or no right to abortion while some reps are whiny cunts about limiting free speech or video game violence as well, giving the right for gays to marry, or not allowing people choice to have an abortion if they think its not morally wrong.
Is the NRA a bunch whiny cunts because they disagree with a holding period in order to purchase a firearm?
You do understand that there are reps that want to limit free speech for the fear of being too offensive while there are dems that don't. You know, the whole, look at the candidate as opposed to blanketing due to the party affiliation. Is any of this getting through or do you only see your point of view and every other means they are just a bunch of whiny cunts?

Gonna have to agree with Mid on this one. Dems just got no backbone. It's not just a stereotype. They generally don't step up to the plate when the time is right and then they'll whine about it later. Dems control congress, why the fuck are we still funding this war??

It's fucking ludicrous.

But I'd rather be a spineless democrat than a mindless republican any day of the week.

Luckily for me, I'm a genius with giant balls.

i'm assuming you thought that was going to be profound?

The size of my balls is very profound.




EDIT: Case in point

so coming up w/ an alternative solution because your original one was veto'd is balless?

[Boogahz]

Well, I guess that giving in completely is an alternative...

[Fash]

John Edwards in 2001: 'We will be united with the president throughout this war on terrorism'...

Now he blasts it on an hourly basis for his own political gains.



no committment, no followthrough, no vision. just whiney short-term cunt syndrome.

[Xatrei]

Perhaps a little time to separate himself from the emotion that most of the country (and much of the "free world") felt immediately following the 9-11 attacks has allowed him to realize what a crock of shit the Bush administration had peddled to the public. Nearly 6 years of peddling lies, chipping away at civil liberties, squandering our military, making the entire middle east a more dangerous place and failing to fully pursue al-Qaeda as we should have has managed to erode the confidence of the majority of this country. John Edwards is fully representative of the shifting mood of this nation when it comes to the abject failure that is this administration's policy and alleged "war on terror."

I was pretty gung ho immediately following the attacks. I had zero issues with tearing Afghanistan apart to confront the threat posed by al-Qaeda. I have no problem with putting our intelligence assets to work tracking down these people, wherever in the world they happen to be, and neutralizing these threats aggressively. This administration has failed to do that, however. Using hollow slogans and flag-waving hype to brand all sorts of unrelated shit as part of the "war on terror" has weakened us, not protected us, as we've become mired in tangential wastes of our resources and time, and most importantly, the lives of thousands of our young men and women in Iraq.

This president's misguided and ineptly executed efforts to make us safer deserve to be blasted on an hourly basis, and it's unfortunate that John Edwards is the only mainstream candidate with the balls to do so, and the balls to recognize his own mistakes in supporting Bush's agenda initially.

[Fash]

...allowed him to realize what a crock of shit the Bush administration had peddled to the public.

baseless opinion.

...Nearly 6 years of peddling lies

baseless opinion.

...chipping away at civil liberties

baseless opinion.

...squandering our military

baseless opinion.

...making the entire middle east a more dangerous place

baseless opinion.

...failing to fully pursue al-Qaeda as we should have

baseless opinion.

...John Edwards is fully representative of the shifting mood of this nation when it comes to the abject failure that is this administration's policy and alleged "war on terror."

baseless opinion. I'm sorry but declarations of war do not shift with your fucking mood. Maybe they will when we have a female president!

...I was pretty gung ho immediately following the attacks. I had zero issues with tearing Afghanistan apart to confront the threat posed by al-Qaeda. I have no problem with putting our intelligence assets to work tracking down these people, wherever in the world they happen to be, and neutralizing these threats aggressively. This administration has failed to do that, however. Using hollow slogans and flag-waving hype to brand all sorts of unrelated shit as part of the "war on terror" has weakened us, not protected us, as we've become mired in tangential wastes of our resources and time, and most importantly, the lives of thousands of our young men and women in Iraq.

baseless opinion. how are we weaker? how are we mired? how were their lives wasted while doing their jobs protecting the country and doing as the country asked of them?
It is traitorous to classify their deaths as 'wasted', it really is... why do we have a military, to sit around eating cake?... no sorry, they volunteer to fight and die for their country, it is a fate so honorable I wish I could die in such a way. It is a fucking shame that the general 'stupid' population will not see it as such.

...This president's misguided and ineptly executed efforts to make us safer deserve to be blasted on an hourly basis, and it's unfortunate that John Edwards is the only mainstream candidate with the balls to do so, and the balls to recognize his own mistakes in supporting this President initially.

you're full of baseless opinions... we're in the 3rd quarter of the game, and you're bashing the coach and throwing the game... good job asshat.

[Xatrei]

While what I stated in my previous post is certainly my opinion, it also has the added virtue of being true.

Iraq HAD absolutely nothing to do with al-Qaeda prior to our invasion. There is evidence that the administration used manipulated intelligence to mislead the country and a few of our more gullible allies into supporting the invasion. We have destabilized the region by our actions there, and you'd honestly have to be a complete fucking idiot not to see that. Our military has been weakened by our efforts there. We've wasted equipment, money and lives for 4 years there pursuing an objective that had exactly nothing to do with al-Qaeda. Now we're stuck there trying to figure out how to get the fuck out without turning the entire region into a giant cluster fuck. Because of our involvement in Iraq, our military is weaker and unable to adequately respond to other national security crises that may occur. The country is economically less safe because of the massive debt that this administration has piled up in pursuit of this misguided war.

I'm a U.S. Army veteran. I served during the early 90's in a combat arms role (Armor). I was fortunate enough to have never been called to go into combat. If I was ordered to deploy, I would have. It was what I trained for, and I was fully prepared to do my duty when asked. After 9-11, I gave serious consideration to reenlisting, but I had responsibilities here that I could not overlook. In the end I'm glad that I didn't because I probably wouldn't have been fighting in Afghanistan to neutralize the al-Qaeda threat. I would have in all likelihood ended up in Iraq. I would have gone, too, no matter how much I may have personally disagreed with the mission because it's the job I swore to do. If I died in the process, my life would have been wasted. The job of our military is to defend this country and our national interests. Iraq was not a threat to this country and was absolutely irrelevant to our failed efforts to dismantle al-Qaeda. What better word is there to describe the lives thrown away fighting in Iraq than "waste"? Every life we've lost in the country of Iraq HAS been a tragic waste. I have friends who have lost family members in Iraq and it makes me profoundly sad to know that their families would still be intact if we had focused instead on pursuing al-Qaeda.

With Iraq we've given the true enemies of this country the greatest possible recruiting tool in their efforts against us. We're less safe because our foreign policy failures have created greater anti-American sentiment among young, easily radicalized Muslims. While we've been distracted in Iraq, our real enemies have reconstituted and are in a stronger position because of our own weakness.

Good job with the typical right-wing tactic of trying to label any dissenting opinions as "traitorous" or "unpatriotic." Continue to rap yourself with the flag and blindly follow the "leadership" of this administration as it goes about squandering lives in Iraq fighting a war we shouldn't be fighting, undermining this nation's safety with their reckless foreign policy and chipping away at the very liberties that make this country worth defending and tell me again who is being traitorous?

[Tuddi2]

ouch

[Xyun]

Everyone is a whiny cunt about an issue that they disagree with. Some dems are cunts about limiting free speech or video game violence, no right to gay marriage or no right to abortion while some reps are whiny cunts about limiting free speech or video game violence as well, giving the right for gays to marry, or not allowing people choice to have an abortion if they think its not morally wrong.
Is the NRA a bunch whiny cunts because they disagree with a holding period in order to purchase a firearm?
You do understand that there are reps that want to limit free speech for the fear of being too offensive while there are dems that don't. You know, the whole, look at the candidate as opposed to blanketing due to the party affiliation. Is any of this getting through or do you only see your point of view and every other means they are just a bunch of whiny cunts?

Gonna have to agree with Mid on this one. Dems just got no backbone. It's not just a stereotype. They generally don't step up to the plate when the time is right and then they'll whine about it later. Dems control congress, why the fuck are we still funding this war??

It's fucking ludicrous.

But I'd rather be a spineless democrat than a mindless republican any day of the week.

Luckily for me, I'm a genius with giant balls.

i'm assuming you thought that was going to be profound?

The size of my balls is very profound.




EDIT: Case in point

so coming up w/ an alternative solution because your original one was veto'd is balless?

lol. You call this a solution? This sums up EXACTLY how I feel about the subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9rI8f7N3LE

[Xatrei]

Olbermann's "Special Comment" segment last night was spot on.

[Fash]

Spot on BULLSHIT PROPAGANDA. Someone make this guy a martyr, please, so he can go see Allah and get his 72 virgin goats. This shit does not belong on any American news network, but it fits right in on Al Ja-fuckin-zeera.
Let me clarify that I support his right to say it, but I also support his employers right to fire him for injecting his biased and divisive anti-american bullshit into a news show... if only his employer were not sucking him off at the time.

Where was this directive to 'get out of iraq' on the ballot? It is a GROSS assumption to say thats why these people were put in office. We as a country decided to do something and damnit we're going to fund it and finish it.

Remove sand, insert cock.

[masteen]

So criticizing the government is anti-American? Holy shit, and all this time, I thought that's what this country was founded on.

My bad. War is peace. Freedom is slavery.

[Xyun]

Spot on BULLSHIT PROPAGANDA. Someone make this guy a martyr, please, so he can go see Allah and get his 72 virgin goats. This shit does not belong on any American news network, but it fits right in on Al Ja-fuckin-zeera.
Let me clarify that I support his right to say it, but I also support his employers right to fire him for injecting his biased and divisive anti-american bullshit into a news show... if only his employer were not sucking him off at the time.

Where was this directive to 'get out of iraq' on the ballot? It is a GROSS assumption to say thats why these people were put in office. We as a country decided to do something and damnit we're going to fund it and finish it.

Remove sand, insert cock.

It is a completely asinine assertion that if someone is against this war that they are traitors or worse, terrorists. You are a fucking imbecile to the nth degree. 7 out of 10 AMERICANS oppose this war. THEY ARE STILL FUCKING AMERICANS YOU BITCH.

[Nick]

...allowed him to realize what a crock of shit the Bush administration had peddled to the public.

baseless opinion.

...Nearly 6 years of peddling lies

baseless opinion.

...chipping away at civil liberties

baseless opinion.

...squandering our military

baseless opinion.

...making the entire middle east a more dangerous place

baseless opinion.

...failing to fully pursue al-Qaeda as we should have

baseless opinion.

What the fuck? These are all undeniable facts you fucking imbecile. Do you just sit around all day long with your fucking head in the sand?

You are to politics what a creationist is to evolution. Retarded.

[Xatrei]

Well, with Kylere, Killmol and Cartalas gone, we do need a new Chief Retard, and it looks like we've found an eager volunteer.

[Fash]

What the fuck? These are all undeniable facts you fucking imbecile. Do you just sit around all day long with your fucking head in the sand?

Then where's the proof and why hasn't he been impeached?
We impeached the last guy and all he did was lie about a fucking blow job!
You mean to tell me we can't impeach someone who allegedly lied to start a war?

They aren't undeniable facts, they're accusations made by people who don't have any factual documentation or inside information, and they're continued by people like you.

It is a completely asinine assertion that if someone is against this war that they are traitors or worse, terrorists.

Just because what they say might be 'traitorous' by my definition, it doesn't mean they are a traitor. Just like you can use racist speech without actually being racist. Nowhere did I say they were no longer americans.

You can be against it all you want. It's too fucking late. The decision has been made, it's over.

Let's rofl.

[Nick]

Are you one of the minority who still thinks Bush has any credibility whatsoever in any of the above mentioned issues?

If you aren't, I see little point in us discussing the issue further, and if you are, I have precisely zero wish to ever entertain any idiotic notions you have in regards to anything to do with reality ever again.

[Avestan]

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. John McCain (72%) Click here for info
3. Mitt Romney (70%) Click here for info
4. Rudolph Giuliani (70%) Click here for info
5. Kent McManigal (67%) Click here for info
6. Chuck Hagel (63%) Click here for info
7. Tom Tancredo (62%) Click here for info
8. Ron Paul (62%) Click here for info
9. Newt Gingrich (60%) Click here for info
10. Fred Thompson (53%) Click here for info
11. Sam Brownback (53%) Click here for info
12. Duncan Hunter (51%) Click here for info
13. Hillary Clinton (45%) Click here for info
14. Tommy Thompson (44%) Click here for info
15. Christopher Dodd (43%) Click here for info
16. Joseph Biden (42%) Click here for info
17. Jim Gilmore (42%) Click here for info
18. Al Gore (42%) Click here for info
19. Bill Richardson (41%) Click here for info
20. Dennis Kucinich (39%) Click here for info
21. John Edwards (38%) Click here for info
22. Barack Obama (38%) Click here for info
23. Wesley Clark (38%) Click here for info
24. Mike Huckabee (37%) Click here for info
25. Mike Gravel (20%) Click here for info
26. Elaine Brown (6%) Click here for info

[Avestan]

Difference is that Clinton broke the law by lying during sworn testimony. Perjury is a felony. Even if lying was grounds for impeachment (it is not), claims of Bush lying are opinion, not fact.

...allowed him to realize what a crock of shit the Bush administration had peddled to the public.

baseless opinion.

...Nearly 6 years of peddling lies

baseless opinion.

...chipping away at civil liberties

baseless opinion.

...squandering our military

baseless opinion.

...making the entire middle east a more dangerous place

baseless opinion.

...failing to fully pursue al-Qaeda as we should have

baseless opinion.

What the fuck? These are all undeniable facts you fucking imbecile. Do you just sit around all day long with your fucking head in the sand?

You are to politics what a creationist is to evolution. Retarded.

[kyoukan]

John Edwards in 2001: 'We will be united with the president throughout this war on terrorism'...

Now he blasts it on an hourly basis for his own political gains.

it took a surprisingly small amount of effort to convince the average intellectually lazy american to associate the war on terror with the war in iraq. I'd like to say I'm surprised, but really I'm not.

but it was just so fucking easy for them to do that to you.

[Nick]

Difference is that Clinton broke the law by lying during sworn testimony. Perjury is a felony. Even if lying was grounds for impeachment (it is not), claims of Bush lying are opinion, not fact.

So essentially by your apparant reasoning, a lie is only ever a lie if delivered under sworn testimony. Sorry but that's absolutely fucking ridiculous and not a legitimate argument whatsoever. To compare a lie about a fucking blow job to a war that's caused 650,000 - 650 fucking thousand human beings - (minimum) innocent people (with families, partners and lives) - (lets use something direct to you - your mother, father, brother, sister, wife, daughter or son times 650, 000 families - SIX HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND) deaths is an insult to any human with a single moral bone in their body. I like you Avestan but your argument is so fucking weak I'm afraid I will have to slap you if I ever meet you

It is a simple fact, for example, of the things you quoted, that the Middle East is substantially a more dangerous place for Americans (and other "whiteys" tbh) because of the actions of the US administration. This is not opinion any more than looking at facts and determining the reality of a situation is an "opinion".

I feel like i'm talking to a seriously intellectually disabled brick wall.

[Avestan]

no.

A lie is a felony if it is during sworn testimony. Otherwise, it is just a lie. Magnitude of said lie does not matter. The pre-requisite for impeachment is commission of a crime. Bush committed no legal crime, Clinton did.

How is that for a brick wall?

Of course. You can't even prove there was a lie, so you have not even argued that extremely low bar accurately.

edit: That being said, trying to impeach Clinton was a waste of time even though grounds existed. There are simply no legal grounds to even start the process with Bush.

[Avestan]

Oh. Please don't lump me in the category of a current Bush supporter. I am just trying to explain the law to someone with no ability to comprehend the difference between opinion vs. fact and crime vs. incompetence.

[kyoukan]

you have to be deeply partisan in your politics to place what clinton did vs. what bush has done and is doing in even remotely the same area. lying in a court of law about something he never should have even been asked during a republican funded witch hunt that cost taxpayers 100's of millions of dolalrs vs. lying the american public and the world in order to justify the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation, costing hundreds of thousands of lives (so far) and hundreds of billions of dollars. it is not even worth discussing, really.

you should be ashamed of yourself for even alluding to a similarity.

[Avestan]

Oh. Please don't lump me in the category of a current Bush supporter. I am just trying to explain the law to someone with no ability to comprehend the difference between opinion vs. fact and crime vs. incompetence.

I think we agree. I am arguing that the two are nothing alike. The magnitude of Clinton's misdeed is much smaller than Bush's, but the legality of Clinton's is worse than Bush's. There is really no comparison and neither deserves to be impeached.

[kyoukan]

there is a moral comparison, and unless you are johnny cochrane, it's impossible to disagree.

[Marbus]

Guess I'm late to this one... here are mine, not very surprising to me at least.


1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Barack Obama (75%) Click here for info
3. Christopher Dodd (71%) Click here for info
4. Al Gore (70%) Click here for info
5. Bill Richardson (70%) Click here for info
6. John Edwards (69%) Click here for info
7. Dennis Kucinich (69%) Click here for info
8. Wesley Clark (65%) Click here for info
9. Hillary Clinton (64%) Click here for info
10. Joseph Biden (63%) Click here for info
11. Ron Paul (59%) Click here for info
12. Mike Gravel (51%) Click here for info
13. Mike Huckabee (39%) Click here for info
14. Kent McManigal (38%) Click here for info
15. John McCain (37%) Click here for info
16. Tommy Thompson (37%) Click here for info
17. Elaine Brown (36%) Click here for info
18. Chuck Hagel (33%) Click here for info
19. Mitt Romney (29%) Click here for info
20. Tom Tancredo (28%) Click here for info
21. Newt Gingrich (26%) Click here for info
22. Duncan Hunter (25%) Click here for info
23. Sam Brownback (25%) Click here for info
24. Fred Thompson (25%) Click here for info
25. Rudolph Giuliani (22%) Click here for info
26. Jim Gilmore (19%) Click here for info

[Wulfran]

* a bunch of idiotic shit not worth repeating again ending with...*
y
ou're full of baseless opinions... we're in the 3rd quarter of the game, and you're bashing the coach and throwing the game... good job asshat.

Holy fuck. Who let the retarded 13 yr old post on their account?

First off, just because a person has an opinion that isn't backed up by "Mr Bush gave us cookies so he's nicer than the other mean people" logic doesn't mean its baseless. To be honest most of what you call baseless is a lot less baseless than the waste of text that you posted.

Secondly how is Iraq part of the War on Terror? I am still waiting for someone to actually explain that. Afghanistan was a legitimate exercise in that regard; Iraq was a propaganda show. The onus was on the Bush admin to show what the danger was to the USA and the rest of the world and he failed: instead he made misleading statements about the regime of Saddam Hussein trying to tie him to 9/11 and scare us all with further claims about WMDs (remember the "he's building a nuke!!!" claims?).

It is traitorous to classify their deaths as 'wasted', it really is... why do we have a military, to sit around eating cake?... no sorry, they volunteer to fight and die for their country, it is a fate so honorable I wish I could die in such a way. It is a fucking shame that the general 'stupid' population will not see it as such.

Wrong again. If their deaths don't accomplish anything they are wasted. What have thousands of coalition casualites and Iraqi civilians actually achieved? Iraq is a shithole in worse shape than when it was invaded and the prognosis isn't good. Even Republicans that aren't hoping for a hand out before Bush leaves office admit that. Its a fucking TRAGEDY that it happened not traitorous that people actually figured it out. There is nothing heroic about it (what are you? Some kind of fucked up Jihadist who's got their sides mixed up? There are no 72 virgins...) but I'm sure I'm not alone when I wish you'd die for your country too... sooner rather than later to preserve the integrity of the gene pool.


Next point: the purpose of a military is to defend a country's sovereignty and national interests. What national interests have been served in Iraq? The share prices of Halliburton and Exxon don't measure up. The conflict in Iraq has weakened the credibility of the US in diplomatic/international affairs.

As for the whole morality/legality argument, I wonder if Iraq shouldn't be grounds for impeachment. Its a bit of a convoluted argument but is not criminal negligence causing death a definition of manslaughter and thus could not Bush be guilty of hundreds of counts? This would hinge of course on whether Bush's decision to invade was negligent or just incompetant but either way I have a hard time equating it in any moral way to getting a hummer and lying about it, even under oath.

[archeiron]

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Barack Obama (84%) Click here for info
3. Christopher Dodd (78%) Click here for info
4. Dennis Kucinich (74%) Click here for info
5. John Edwards (71%) Click here for info
6. Al Gore (65%) Click here for info
7. Hillary Clinton (62%) Click here for info
8. Wesley Clark (60%) Click here for info
9. Joseph Biden (60%) Click here for info
10. Ron Paul (59%) Click here for info
11. Bill Richardson (55%) Click here for info

I am surprised how high the nearest candidate is for me.

[Dregor Thule]

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Barack Obama (75%) Click here for info
3. Dennis Kucinich (73%) Click here for info
4. Al Gore (71%) Click here for info
5. Wesley Clark (70%) Click here for info
6. Joseph Biden (66%) Click here for info
7. Hillary Clinton (64%) Click here for info
8. Christopher Dodd (63%) Click here for info
9. John Edwards (59%) Click here for info
10. Bill Richardson (50%) Click here for info
11. Ron Paul (48%) Click here for info
12. Mike Gravel (46%) Click here for info
13. Kent McManigal (45%) Click here for info
14. Rudolph Giuliani (38%) Click here for info
15. Elaine Brown (33%) Click here for info
16. John McCain (33%) Click here for info
17. Mitt Romney (28%) Click here for info
18. Chuck Hagel (26%) Click here for info
19. Tommy Thompson (26%) Click here for info
20. Mike Huckabee (25%) Click here for info
21. Fred Thompson (22%) Click here for info
22. Newt Gingrich (22%) Click here for info
23. Sam Brownback (22%) Click here for info
24. Jim Gilmore (16%) Click here for info
25. Duncan Hunter (14%) Click here for info
26. Tom Tancredo (13%) Click here for info

[Funkmasterr]

* a bunch of idiotic shit not worth repeating again ending with...*
y
ou're full of baseless opinions... we're in the 3rd quarter of the game, and you're bashing the coach and throwing the game... good job asshat.

Holy fuck. Who let the retarded 13 yr old post on their account?

First off, just because a person has an opinion that isn't backed up by "Mr Bush gave us cookies so he's nicer than the other mean people" logic doesn't mean its baseless. To be honest most of what you call baseless is a lot less baseless than the waste of text that you posted.

Secondly how is Iraq part of the War on Terror? I am still waiting for someone to actually explain that. Afghanistan was a legitimate exercise in that regard; Iraq was a propaganda show. The onus was on the Bush admin to show what the danger was to the USA and the rest of the world and he failed: instead he made misleading statements about the regime of Saddam Hussein trying to tie him to 9/11 and scare us all with further claims about WMDs (remember the "he's building a nuke!!!" claims?).

It is traitorous to classify their deaths as 'wasted', it really is... why do we have a military, to sit around eating cake?... no sorry, they volunteer to fight and die for their country, it is a fate so honorable I wish I could die in such a way. It is a fucking shame that the general 'stupid' population will not see it as such.

Wrong again. If their deaths don't accomplish anything they are wasted. What have thousands of coalition casualites and Iraqi civilians actually achieved? Iraq is a shithole in worse shape than when it was invaded and the prognosis isn't good. Even Republicans that aren't hoping for a hand out before Bush leaves office admit that. Its a fucking TRAGEDY that it happened not traitorous that people actually figured it out. There is nothing heroic about it (what are you? Some kind of fucked up Jihadist who's got their sides mixed up? There are no 72 virgins...) but I'm sure I'm not alone when I wish you'd die for your country too... sooner rather than later to preserve the integrity of the gene pool.


Next point: the purpose of a military is to defend a country's sovereignty and national interests. What national interests have been served in Iraq? The share prices of Halliburton and Exxon don't measure up. The conflict in Iraq has weakened the credibility of the US in diplomatic/international affairs.

As for the whole morality/legality argument, I wonder if Iraq shouldn't be grounds for impeachment. Its a bit of a convoluted argument but is not criminal negligence causing death a definition of manslaughter and thus could not Bush be guilty of hundreds of counts? This would hinge of course on whether Bush's decision to invade was negligent or just incompetant but either way I have a hard time equating it in any moral way to getting a hummer and lying about it, even under oath.

It's always amusing how intelligent you fucking morons think you are, when in fact you are wrong. It's been a while since I have read the info on what I am speaking about, so it may be a bit off - but the basic point is still here.

Did we find solid "proof" there were wmd's ? No we didn't. But it's funny how I have never seen the supporting info that states otherwise. When we found the factory we thought these weapons were stored/created in, it had conveniently been emptied out, later we tested the water in the river nearby and found high levels of nuclear waste in the water. Let me guess though, we dumped that in the river so we could say that something was there, right? And there were also explosives placed in the twin towers by the government, right?

Can I say with 100% certainty something was there, no? But a lot of you (especially Nick, as usual) definitely base your opinion of Bush and what has happened with him in office off of a shit ton of opinions that you try and pass off as "undeniable facts".

And kooky.. to say Clinton should have never been questioned about his bj is ridiculous. Are you implying that it is no one's business if the president of the USA is and adulterer?

[Xyun]

* a bunch of idiotic shit not worth repeating again ending with...*
y
ou're full of baseless opinions... we're in the 3rd quarter of the game, and you're bashing the coach and throwing the game... good job asshat.

Holy fuck. Who let the retarded 13 yr old post on their account?

First off, just because a person has an opinion that isn't backed up by "Mr Bush gave us cookies so he's nicer than the other mean people" logic doesn't mean its baseless. To be honest most of what you call baseless is a lot less baseless than the waste of text that you posted.

Secondly how is Iraq part of the War on Terror? I am still waiting for someone to actually explain that. Afghanistan was a legitimate exercise in that regard; Iraq was a propaganda show. The onus was on the Bush admin to show what the danger was to the USA and the rest of the world and he failed: instead he made misleading statements about the regime of Saddam Hussein trying to tie him to 9/11 and scare us all with further claims about WMDs (remember the "he's building a nuke!!!" claims?).

It is traitorous to classify their deaths as 'wasted', it really is... why do we have a military, to sit around eating cake?... no sorry, they volunteer to fight and die for their country, it is a fate so honorable I wish I could die in such a way. It is a fucking shame that the general 'stupid' population will not see it as such.

Wrong again. If their deaths don't accomplish anything they are wasted. What have thousands of coalition casualites and Iraqi civilians actually achieved? Iraq is a shithole in worse shape than when it was invaded and the prognosis isn't good. Even Republicans that aren't hoping for a hand out before Bush leaves office admit that. Its a fucking TRAGEDY that it happened not traitorous that people actually figured it out. There is nothing heroic about it (what are you? Some kind of fucked up Jihadist who's got their sides mixed up? There are no 72 virgins...) but I'm sure I'm not alone when I wish you'd die for your country too... sooner rather than later to preserve the integrity of the gene pool.


Next point: the purpose of a military is to defend a country's sovereignty and national interests. What national interests have been served in Iraq? The share prices of Halliburton and Exxon don't measure up. The conflict in Iraq has weakened the credibility of the US in diplomatic/international affairs.

As for the whole morality/legality argument, I wonder if Iraq shouldn't be grounds for impeachment. Its a bit of a convoluted argument but is not criminal negligence causing death a definition of manslaughter and thus could not Bush be guilty of hundreds of counts? This would hinge of course on whether Bush's decision to invade was negligent or just incompetant but either way I have a hard time equating it in any moral way to getting a hummer and lying about it, even under oath.

It's always amusing how intelligent you fucking morons think you are, when in fact you are wrong. It's been a while since I have read the info on what I am speaking about, so it may be a bit off - but the basic point is still here.

Did we find solid "proof" there were wmd's ? No we didn't. But it's funny how I have never seen the supporting info that states otherwise. When we found the factory we thought these weapons were stored/created in, it had conveniently been emptied out, later we tested the water in the river nearby and found high levels of nuclear waste in the water. Let me guess though, we dumped that in the river so we could say that something was there, right? And there were also explosives placed in the twin towers by the government, right?

Can I say with 100% certainty something was there, no? But a lot of you (especially Nick, as usual) definitely base your opinion of Bush and what has happened with him in office off of a shit ton of opinions that you try and pass off as "undeniable facts".

And kooky.. to say Clinton should have never been questioned about his bj is ridiculous. Are you implying that it is no one's business if the president of the USA is and adulterer?

That is exactly the case. The only people that care about other people's fucking sex lives and personal lives are either clueless fuckwits like yourself that haven't had pussy since pussy had them or super fundamental crispies that think "oh nos, God doesn't approve of that behavior", as if somehow they are holier and closer to God than those they accuse.

In the professional world, people are judged by their competence at their job, not what they do on their personal time. But for some reason in douchebagland, your competence doesn't seem to matter nearly as much as where your dick has been in the last month. Do you go around asking your employer or superior if they fucked anyone but their wife lately? What the fuck makes you think you have the right to ask such questions of anybody, especially when adultery is NOT illegal?

While I understand and somewhat agree that adultery exemplifies a lack of moral character, I can't for the life of me understand why in your warped world view this is somehow a greater sin than taking an entire country into a baseless war that puts the lives of your family, friends, and countrymen in grave danger. Nobody died when Clinton got a hummer. To top it off you have the audacity to call me a traitor because I care enough about my friends in Iraq that I want them to come home before they die. How fucking ludicrous. If you agree with this war so much WHY THE FUCK are you not in the military? Why are you not over there helping the cause and helping to relieve those troops that have to endure elevated violence and extended tours of duty? It's a rhetorical question because I already know the answer. I know that you are a nutless coward who never ever puts his fucking money where his mouth is.

The blow job that clinton got pales in comparison to the nut gobbling you are giving g.w. as we speak. Here's a clue: don't talk with your mouth full.

[Keverian FireCry]

[Funkmasterr]

* a bunch of idiotic shit not worth repeating again ending with...*
y
ou're full of baseless opinions... we're in the 3rd quarter of the game, and you're bashing the coach and throwing the game... good job asshat.

Holy fuck. Who let the retarded 13 yr old post on their account?

First off, just because a person has an opinion that isn't backed up by "Mr Bush gave us cookies so he's nicer than the other mean people" logic doesn't mean its baseless. To be honest most of what you call baseless is a lot less baseless than the waste of text that you posted.

Secondly how is Iraq part of the War on Terror? I am still waiting for someone to actually explain that. Afghanistan was a legitimate exercise in that regard; Iraq was a propaganda show. The onus was on the Bush admin to show what the danger was to the USA and the rest of the world and he failed: instead he made misleading statements about the regime of Saddam Hussein trying to tie him to 9/11 and scare us all with further claims about WMDs (remember the "he's building a nuke!!!" claims?).

It is traitorous to classify their deaths as 'wasted', it really is... why do we have a military, to sit around eating cake?... no sorry, they volunteer to fight and die for their country, it is a fate so honorable I wish I could die in such a way. It is a fucking shame that the general 'stupid' population will not see it as such.

Wrong again. If their deaths don't accomplish anything they are wasted. What have thousands of coalition casualites and Iraqi civilians actually achieved? Iraq is a shithole in worse shape than when it was invaded and the prognosis isn't good. Even Republicans that aren't hoping for a hand out before Bush leaves office admit that. Its a fucking TRAGEDY that it happened not traitorous that people actually figured it out. There is nothing heroic about it (what are you? Some kind of fucked up Jihadist who's got their sides mixed up? There are no 72 virgins...) but I'm sure I'm not alone when I wish you'd die for your country too... sooner rather than later to preserve the integrity of the gene pool.


Next point: the purpose of a military is to defend a country's sovereignty and national interests. What national interests have been served in Iraq? The share prices of Halliburton and Exxon don't measure up. The conflict in Iraq has weakened the credibility of the US in diplomatic/international affairs.

As for the whole morality/legality argument, I wonder if Iraq shouldn't be grounds for impeachment. Its a bit of a convoluted argument but is not criminal negligence causing death a definition of manslaughter and thus could not Bush be guilty of hundreds of counts? This would hinge of course on whether Bush's decision to invade was negligent or just incompetant but either way I have a hard time equating it in any moral way to getting a hummer and lying about it, even under oath.

It's always amusing how intelligent you fucking morons think you are, when in fact you are wrong. It's been a while since I have read the info on what I am speaking about, so it may be a bit off - but the basic point is still here.

Did we find solid "proof" there were wmd's ? No we didn't. But it's funny how I have never seen the supporting info that states otherwise. When we found the factory we thought these weapons were stored/created in, it had conveniently been emptied out, later we tested the water in the river nearby and found high levels of nuclear waste in the water. Let me guess though, we dumped that in the river so we could say that something was there, right? And there were also explosives placed in the twin towers by the government, right?

Can I say with 100% certainty something was there, no? But a lot of you (especially Nick, as usual) definitely base your opinion of Bush and what has happened with him in office off of a shit ton of opinions that you try and pass off as "undeniable facts".

And kooky.. to say Clinton should have never been questioned about his bj is ridiculous. Are you implying that it is no one's business if the president of the USA is and adulterer?

That is exactly the case. The only people that care about other people's fucking sex lives and personal lives are either clueless fuckwits like yourself that haven't had pussy since pussy had them or super fundamental crispies that think "oh nos, God doesn't approve of that behavior", as if somehow they are holier and closer to God than those they accuse.

In the professional world, people are judged by their competence at their job, not what they do on their personal time. But for some reason in douchebagland, your competence doesn't seem to matter nearly as much as where your dick has been in the last month. Do you go around asking your employer or superior if they fucked anyone but their wife lately? What the fuck makes you think you have the right to ask such questions of anybody, especially when adultery is NOT illegal?

While I understand and somewhat agree that adultery exemplifies a lack of moral character, I can't for the life of me understand why in your warped world view this is somehow a greater sin than taking an entire country into a baseless war that puts the lives of your family, friends, and countrymen in grave danger. Nobody died when Clinton got a hummer. To top it off you have the audacity to call me a traitor because I care enough about my friends in Iraq that I want them to come home before they die. How fucking ludicrous. If you agree with this war so much WHY THE FUCK are you not in the military? Why are you not over there helping the cause and helping to relieve those troops that have to endure elevated violence and extended tours of duty? It's a rhetorical question because I already know the answer. I know that you are a nutless coward who never ever puts his fucking money where his mouth is.

The blow job that clinton got pales in comparison to the nut gobbling you are giving g.w. as we speak. Here's a clue: don't talk with your mouth full.

Way to totally miss the point. I wasn't implying that the BJ was worse, I was stating that it was illegal, and if a president is breaking the law and lacking moral character, it is all of our business, regardless of what you think.

I hate to break your bubble and let you know that I don't fall into either of your two categories, mia can vouch for the first - and I can assure you that I don't believe in god or religion, so that plays no part at all in my opinion.

Lastly, I am not in the military because I am not cut out for it, I have the balls you speak of to admit that. However, what you seem to be to fucking stupid to understand is that the shit people like you constantly spew is a slap in the face of the soldiers you claim to care so much about. The fact of the matter is this: anyone that is currently in the military either enlisted for the first time knowing they were going straight to Iraq, or reenlisted knowing they were going to STAY in Iraq. They want to be there, they want to do their part, to do their JOB and that is exactly what they are doing. And they will continue doing that until the job is done, whether stupid uneducated pricks like you and most people here agree with it or not - and I can see why you wouldn't, it would totally negate most of the arguments people like you use and you couldn't possibly be wrong.

[Xyun]

The BJ was in no way illegal you fucking moron. In addition, I have quite a few friends in the military who desperately want to come home, and some that have come home and are fervently against the war for the very reason that it is breaking our wonderful military.

Your ilk likes to pretend that the troops are all happy go lucky since they are not allowed to speak for themselves. Because of this you can come here and pretend to speak for them, but in reality what you say and what they feel is a fucking contradiction. This is further exemplified by the number of high ranking military personell that are retiring early for the sole purpose of being able to speak out against this war.

and finally, for someone like you, who is obviously a little fucking kid, to come here and question my education, my intelligence, or my patriotism is such a goddamn absurdity that Sisyphus himself would laugh uncontrolably at the notion. You might consider discontinuing this argument for your own sake, because I will gladly continue to expose your mental deficiency until you once again throw a crybaby fit and leave the boards with your gonads tucked safely between your legs. bitch.

[Funkmasterr]

The BJ was in no way illegal you fucking moron. In addition, I have quite a few friends in the military who desperately want to come home, and some that have come home and are fervently against the war for the very reason that it is breaking our wonderful military.

Your ilk likes to pretend that the troops are all happy go lucky since they are not allowed to speak for themselves. Because of this you can come here and pretend to speak for them, but in reality what you say and what they feel is a fucking contradiction. This is further exemplified by the number of high ranking military personell that are retiring early for the sole purpose of being able to speak out against this war.

and finally, for someone like you, who is obviously a little fucking kid, to come here and question my education, my intelligence, or my patriotism is such a goddamn absurdity that Sisyphus himself would laugh uncontrolably at the notion. You might consider discontinuing this argument for your own sake, because I will gladly continue to expose your mental deficiency until you once again throw a crybaby fit and leave the boards with your gonads tucked safely between your legs. bitch.

Ignoring the rest of your post because you are absolutely not worth my time, but since you are so smart - explain to me how adultery (yes, the bj was exactly that, again regardless of what you think) is not illegal? I am really curious to hear your "logic".

[Xyun]

Adultery is NOT fucking illegal. What else is there to explain? This is like talking to a monkey.

THERE IS NO LAW THAT SAYS ADULTERY IS ILLEGAL. In some ass backwards states like Georgia, adultery can be used in divorce cases to decide civil suits, but it is NOT illegal.

You cannot go to jail for fucking someone who is not your spouse.

Jesus fucking christ you are an idiot.

[Funkmasterr]

Adultery is NOT fucking illegal. What else is there to explain? This is like talking to a monkey.

THERE IS NO LAW THAT SAYS ADULTERY IS ILLEGAL. In some ass backwards states like Georgia, adultery can be used in divorce cases to decide civil suits, but it is NOT illegal.

You cannot go to jail for fucking someone who is not your spouse.

Jesus fucking christ you are an idiot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery

Read the legal section, I could really find a more credible source if you want. Whether the law is practiced or not is beside the point, it exists. Beside that, the president is supposed to be a fucking role model - and something like this is a big deal, period. Maybe you should be sure of yourself before you blow up over something like this and act like a total fuck stain.

[Xyun]

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Why don't you take the time to read the goddamn shit you fucking link.

The enforceability of criminal sanctions for adultery is questionable in light of Supreme Court decisions since 1965 relating to privacy and sexual intimacy, and particularly in light of Lawrence v. Texas, which protected the right of privacy for consenting adults.


Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003),[1] was a landmark United States Supreme Court case. In the 6-3 ruling, the justices struck down the criminal prohibition of homosexual sodomy in Texas. The court had previously addressed the same issue in 1986 in Bowers v. Hardwick, but had upheld the challenged Georgia statute, not finding a constitutional protection of sexual privacy.

Lawrence explicitly overruled Bowers, holding that it had viewed the liberty interest too narrowly. The majority held that intimate consensual sexual conduct was part of the liberty protected by substantive due process under the Fourteenth Amendment. Lawrence has the effect of invalidating similar laws throughout the United States that purport to criminalize homosexual activity between consenting adults acting in private. It may also invalidate laws against heterosexual sodomy based solely on morality concerns.

dude, I work in a fucking law firm. GET A FUCKING CLUE....

[Funkmasterr]

For example, in Pennsylvania, adultery is technically punishable by 2 years of imprisonment or 18 months of treatment for insanity (for history, see Hamowy) (criminal statute repealed 1972), while in Michigan the Court of Appeals, the state's second-highest court, ruled that a little-known provision of state criminal law means that adultery carries a potential life sentence.[2] In Maryland, adultery is punishable by a fine of ten dollars. That being said, such statutes are typically considered blue laws and are rarely, if ever, enforced. In the U.S. Military, adultery is a court-martialable offense only if it had been "to the prejudice of good order and discipline" or "of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces".[3] This law has been applied to cases where both partners were members of the military, particularly where one was in command of the other, or one partner and the other's spouse

The article later states that what you quoted may make it harder to enforce said laws, but not that it negates them. We can sit here and argue back and forth all fucking night (I have to be at work for another 5 hours and I will be glad to keep it up) but the bottom line is - it was wrong, it is not a thing to be tolerated by THE role model of our country, not to mention it probably fueled his cunt of a wife's political career. Again, I never said it was worse then your allegations towards bush, nor was I comparing the two, I was simply commenting on someone (I don't even remember who) mentioning the Clinton thing like it was no big deal, because it is.


Another question for the moron that said something about bush not taking care of bin laden/al queda. Wasn't it your homeboy BJ Billy that had a tactical team that had him IN THEIR FUCKING SCOPES and he gave the order to stand down. But there was obviously some excuse for that, because democrats are always right (proven by the demographic here on vv .) Bottom line is we wouldn't be worried about him if your precious Bill had made the call he should have made. But then again, someone would just replace Bin Laden, because people like them will always exist.

[Xyun]

This is the last time I'm going to mention this since your teeny tiny brain can't seem to grasp it.

The supreme court struck down those laws in those states.

[Funkmasterr]

Apparently my reading comprehension skills have died, because what I see in that article says that the decision MAY invalidate the laws - not that it DOES. Go ahead and call me a few more names now, it's obviously the only way you are able to communicate a point - did you learn that in the law firm?

[Xyun]

After researching the subject, I found that adultery is in fact illegal in about half of the states, and as recently as 1980, a couple who were not married to each other but found having sex in a van were charged with the crime.

In addition, I found this article that completely proves me wrong. I'll admit to that and apologize.

That's not to say that those laws are archaic and it is only a matter of time before they are in fact struck down.

But I will gladly go on calling you an idiot.

edit: most of the stuff i found is from the 90's and I'm unsure if any of those laws have since changed.

[Xyun]

I spoke with a couple of the attorneys in my office and they said that the law has remained on the books precisely because no one ever prosecutes it and thus it hasn't been struck down yet.