Heroes Season 1 Discussion *SPOILERS*

miir · Post by **miir** » May 2, 2007, 2:41 pm

Lynks wrote:Something just doesn't feel right. If Hiro stabbed Sylar and he regened, but Claire was alive and well (future Hiro didn't know), how did Sylar regen? Is there another "heroe" out there with similar powers?

Sylar also saw the future and he saw he was alive and well (the painting of Nathan in the White House). Is it possible the future cannot be changed?

Hiro 'killed' Sylar in the timeline where Sylar had already gotten Claire's power.

Gonzoie - Luclin · Post by **Gonzoie - Luclin** » May 2, 2007, 2:41 pm

I understood you Sylvus and that just cleared up a whole lot of confusion.

If Jaded Hiro thinks that Sylar is the one who exploded because thats what the media said, then he is going back in time to try and stop Sylar from exploding.

Save the Cheerleader, Save the World, meant that Sylar wouldn't be able to regen after being stabbed, however, since Claire was saved and Naive Hiro hasn't stabbed Sylar yet, Sylar is still alive in the future.

The question we have to ask is.. How do you stop the bomb, when you thought for all those years it was the wrong person, and continue to think that?

Peter needs to fess up to it. I assume it was actually Nathan ( not Sylar ) who got Peter off the hook. If Sylar was already Nathan by then, he would have tried to kill Peter rather than help him. You saw how fast Sylar got to the building Peter was when his name was mentioned. Sylar still wants Peter.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » May 2, 2007, 2:52 pm

miir wrote:
Lynks wrote:Something just doesn't feel right. If Hiro stabbed Sylar and he regened, but Claire was alive and well (future Hiro didn't know), how did Sylar regen? Is there another "heroe" out there with similar powers?

Sylar also saw the future and he saw he was alive and well (the painting of Nathan in the White House). Is it possible the future cannot be changed?
Hiro 'killed' Sylar in the timeline where Sylar had already gotten Claire's power.

So Hiro return to his present but it was a different timeline where all his relationships hadn't changed?

Post by **Sylvus** » May 2, 2007, 3:09 pm

I'm not certain that Hiro was right when he said the future couldn't be changed. I think it just meant that with the waitress it couldn't be. In any timeline, she had brain cancer. Saving her from Sylar kept her from dying on that day, but she pretty much had a finite amount of time regardless of what Hiro could do, unless he found someone who could cure cancer.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 2, 2007, 3:22 pm

This is why you don't do stories with time travel aspects!

I thought I knew what 'save the cheerleader, save the world' meant but now I'm not so sure. Didn't that come from Isaac? If saving Claire meant Sylar not getting regen then that has nothing to do with saving the world. Isaac already painted that it was Peter who was the source of the explosion so Sylar isn't really relevant. Unless 'the world' doesn't pertain to the explosion itself but what happens after with all 'mutants' being hunted and rounded up.

Something isn't adding up!

Post by **Sylvus** » May 2, 2007, 3:31 pm

If I'm not mistaken, the words "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World" came from Jaded Hiro's trip back to the subway that Peter and Mohinder were on. "Mistah Eee-zahk" had a number of paintings of a cheerleader, and I think they just put 2 and 2 together.

From what we saw of the timeline that Jaded Hiro came from and the state of the world there, with mutants being hunted down by Parkman's crew, as well as his belief that Sylar was the cause of the bomb, it all adds up just fine. Now saving the cheerleader doesn't mean that Jaded Hiro's words are entirely prophetic (particularly when clouded by the fact that Jaded Hiro doesn't know everything about situations that occurred in his past), but Sylar will be pretty unstoppable if he gets Claire's powers. Not that he isn't close to unstoppable already.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 2, 2007, 3:57 pm

But what if Peter blew himself up in an attempt to blow up and kill Sylar?
Sylar would have had Claire's power... Peter would have it too because he was (I'm guessing) pretty close to Sylar at the time he blew himself up.

That would explain how both of them were still alive.

Morgrym · Post by **Morgrym** » May 4, 2007, 11:12 am

But, how can a future where Clair was already saved exist? Or are they pushing the alternate timeline crap?

miir · Post by **miir** » May 4, 2007, 12:26 pm

Morgrym wrote:But, how can a future where Clair was already saved exist? Or are they pushing the alternate timeline crap?

My brain hurts...

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » May 4, 2007, 2:16 pm

The way I see it is Jaded Hiro returned to an altered version of his present. The only difference is Claire and Sylar were still alive. Its a bit ridiculous to think those are the only 2 things to change.

I hate time travel stories too.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 8, 2007, 12:58 pm

Not a bad episode.

Mohinder is back doing something worthwhile in the show.

The Heroes are starting to come together.

I'm curious what Nathan and Peter's mother has for powers.

Nice cliffhanger with Peter starting to charge up.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 8, 2007, 9:16 pm

I thought it was a fairly solid episode. No real complaints!

Except for the story involving Sylar's mother. I thought it was interesting up until she got smacked in the face with a snowglobe and freaked out. The 'struggle' with the scissors and the result of that was lame.

The parts with Mikah could have been left out as well. It didn't really add much except for having him discover his mother wasn't really his mother.

I also could be totally wrong on this but I don't feel like searching through previous episodes to find out but didn't Peter know about Ted previously? If not where'd he get the same ability?

Zygar · Post by **Zygar** » May 8, 2007, 9:34 pm

He gained the ability when Ted walked up to him at the end of the episode.

Ted:(looking at Peter's hands)"What's he doing?"
Someone:"He's absorbing your powers"
Ted "Well he needs to quit"

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 8, 2007, 10:33 pm

Yeah I know what happened there in the last episode. But I thought Peter could already do that? Ah well don't mind me. I got confused somewhere along the way. Forget I said anything!

Post by **Xouqoa** » May 9, 2007, 1:50 am

Aslanna wrote:Yeah I know what happened there in the last episode. But I thought Peter could already do that? Ah well don't mind me. I got confused somewhere along the way. Forget I said anything!

It showed him doing it in the dream he had where he blew up, but that was it I think.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » May 9, 2007, 4:41 pm

the part with micah also showed that Candice is actually able to make people see 'whatever she wants them to see'... not shapeshifting.

Kryshade · Post by **Kryshade** » May 9, 2007, 4:54 pm

I think you might be thinking about the episode before this one where it was in the future. When Peter had the showdown with Sylar it looked like he had Teds Power.

The preview showed that Micah apparently has a lot to do with the upcoming holocaust. I believe it showed him standing on a balcony looking down over the city with flames or something. Not sure what it means, but he plays a big part of it!

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » May 9, 2007, 5:59 pm

i think Micah is going to be used to 'secure' the votes that Nathan needs.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 9, 2007, 6:43 pm

Kryshade wrote:I think you might be thinking about the episode before this one where it was in the future. When Peter had the showdown with Sylar it looked like he had Teds Power.

I think that's it. I knew he had it somewhere!

Kryshade wrote:The preview showed that Micah apparently has a lot to do with the upcoming holocaust. I believe it showed him standing on a balcony looking down over the city with flames or something. Not sure what it means, but he plays a big part of it!

I'm not saying he wont play a part in what's going to happen in the remaining episodes. All I'm saying is the scenes he was in for the last episode were pretty much filler and didn't really need to be there.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » May 12, 2007, 8:41 am

Saw an episode of Heroes now (Ep 21 Teh Hard part), and my conclusion is that the cheerleader chick looks good, albeit a bit young.

Good series nonetheless.

Better acting than in the movie "Pathfinder".

Nylith · Post by **Nylith** » May 14, 2007, 11:01 am

cadalano wrote:the part with micah also showed that Candice is actually able to make people see 'whatever she wants them to see'... not shapeshifting.

So if Sylar uses Candice's power to assume the roll of Nathan, you'd have to assume that it can somehow fool cameras? When someone takes a digital picture of Sylar disguised as Nathan, what does a computer see?

Post by **Sylvus** » May 14, 2007, 11:27 am

Okay, you tread onto unstable ground when trying to discuss the physics of a show that heavily involves suspension of disbelief, but provided the power operates on photons or light or something and "bends" it to create the appearance that the user of said power wants you to see, I would imagine it could quite easily fool cameras and whatnot. I think it's a given that it had to fool cameras and computers and everything if someone were going to be impersonating the President.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 14, 2007, 12:12 pm

Kwonryu DragonFist wrote:the cheerleader chick looks good, albeit a bit young.

Hayden Panettiere is a 17 year old actress playing a 17 year old high school student.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » May 14, 2007, 1:16 pm

miir wrote:
Kwonryu DragonFist wrote:the cheerleader chick looks good, albeit a bit young.
Hayden Panettiere is a 17 year old actress playing a 17 year old high school student.

Yes, too young! Even younger than i thought lol!

But when she's around 25-30 i am sure she will be a looker if she evolves in the same way she has so far

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » May 14, 2007, 6:24 pm

From http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/1 ... index.html

To stretch the normal 22-episode season of "Heroes," which faltered after its long hiatus this year, NBC will add "Heroes: Origins." The spinoff will introduce a new character each week, and viewers will select which one stays for the following season. The two series will have 30 new episodes combined.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 14, 2007, 7:09 pm

Boogahz wrote:From http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/1 ... index.html

To stretch the normal 22-episode season of "Heroes," which faltered after its long hiatus this year, NBC will add "Heroes: Origins." The spinoff will introduce a new character each week, and viewers will select which one stays for the following season. The two series will have 30 new episodes combined.

That's kinda cool.

Heroes faltering is the fault of NBC trying to delay the show until sweeps. a 45 day gap in programmnig is not a good idea. Poor choice. I think it will survive though.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 15, 2007, 5:43 am

Good episode. My two favorite lines from it:

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Micah: My friend eats like you do and he's fat.

Hot Illusion Lady: So am I.

--

Jessica (to Parkman): Didn't I throw you through a window?

The "Kitty Pryde" guy materializing his fist inside of Linderman's head was pretty cool too!

Last episode should be good as well. Mr Sulu is one of the good guys!

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » May 15, 2007, 10:14 am

Good episode. The pieces are almost all in place. I have no doubt that this season will end in a very satisfying way, but I have to admit I'm worried about next season. Would be so easy to end this story and have everything feel kind of lost and directionless. It's happened to plenty of other shows.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 15, 2007, 10:29 am

Didn't I throw you through a window?

That totally cracked me up.

The swordfighting crap with Hiro and his father was pretty lame but the rest of the episode was quality entertainment.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 15, 2007, 11:04 am

Dregor Thule wrote:Good episode. The pieces are almost all in place. I have no doubt that this season will end in a very satisfying way, but I have to admit I'm worried about next season. Would be so easy to end this story and have everything feel kind of lost and directionless. It's happened to plenty of other shows.

Heroes had been pretty lost and directionless for the first part of this season as well. I personally enjoyed the way the revealed everything the way they did. Overall though it did seem like the story was going somewhere, which makes me very interestedi n tuning in week after week.

I'll be tuning in next season for sure.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » May 15, 2007, 11:08 am

I could almost hear Trey Parker singing 'Montage' in the background during the swordfight, however, I thought they pulled Hiro's transformation, etc off effectively enough.

Moonwynd · Post by **Moonwynd** » May 15, 2007, 1:25 pm

As an experience kenjutsu practioner (17 years and going strong), Hiro's "swordwork" was the typical choreographed for film fare. Just remember - anytime you see someone spinning around it means "pretty for TV/film" - that's the sort of move that gets you dead...fast.

Historically a swordfight in feudal Japan lasted anywhere from 2-5 seconds - but that would be pretty boring for us viewers.

Oh, you cannot have a broken sword reforged or repaired. The best that could be done with the break in Hiro's sword would be to grind out a new tanto or two.

I do like the show though - I came in to the series late but caught up online - now I am hooked.

Akanae · Post by **Akanae** » May 15, 2007, 1:26 pm

Canelek wrote:I could almost hear Trey Parker singing 'Montage' in the background during the swordfight, however, I thought they pulled Hiro's transformation, etc off effectively enough.

I hear that song every time I see a montage

I have to say I'm going to be very upset if they don't kill Sylar next week! I think they've dragged him out long enough.

Post by **Xouqoa** » May 15, 2007, 1:49 pm

How to deal with Sylar if you are Hiro:

1) Locate Sylar
2) Freeze time
3) Walk up behind Sylar, and place your hand on his shoulder
4) Unfreeze time
5) Immediately after unfreezing time, teleport (with Sylar) back to the Jurassic period (when dinosaurs ruled the earth)
6) Immediately teleport (without Sylar) back
7) Problem solved!

miir · Post by **miir** » May 15, 2007, 2:34 pm

Xouqoa wrote:How to deal with Sylar if you are Hiro:

1) Locate Sylar
2) Freeze time
3) Walk up behind Sylar, and place your hand on his shoulder
4) Unfreeze time
5) Immediately after unfreezing time, teleport (with Sylar) back to the Jurassic period (when dinosaurs ruled the earth)
6) Immediately teleport (without Sylar) back
7) Problem solved!

I don't think you thought that through very well.

Moonwynd · Post by **Moonwynd** » May 15, 2007, 2:38 pm

1) Locate Sylar
2) Freeze time
3) Walk up behind Sylar, and place your hand on his shoulder
4) Unfreeze time
5) Immediately after unfreezing time, teleport (with Sylar) to Kyou's igloo
6) Sylar kills himself

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 15, 2007, 2:45 pm

Moonwynd wrote:1) Locate Sylar
2) Freeze time
3) Walk up behind Sylar, and place your hand on his shoulder
4) Unfreeze time
5) Immediately after unfreezing time, teleport (with Sylar) to Kyou's igloo
6) Sylar kills himself

ROFL

Post by **Xouqoa** » May 15, 2007, 6:04 pm

miir wrote:I don't think you thought that through very well.

Why not?!? He'd die before he could cause any trouble! My plan is flawless!

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » May 15, 2007, 6:15 pm

Here is how I see it playing out. Sylar will succeed in blowing up NY. Though right after it's done Hiro will probably freeze time before he gets blown up then teleports back to right before the 'bomb' to kill Sylar. Or something to that effect.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » May 15, 2007, 9:44 pm

How to deal with Sylar if you are Hiro:

1) Locate Sylar
2) Freeze time
3) Walk up behind Sylar, and place your hand on his shoulder
4) Unfreeze time
5) Immediately after unfreezing time, teleport (with Sylar) back to the Jurassic period (when dinosaurs ruled the earth)
6) Immediately teleport (without Sylar) back
7) Problem solved!

sylar just got really pissed off at what happened and decided to just kill all living things, including all pre-humans. GAME OVER, ASSHOLE.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 15, 2007, 10:29 pm

How do you stop an exploding man? How about materializing a fist inside his skull? How is Sylar going to stop and invisible man that can do that?

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » May 15, 2007, 10:46 pm

edit: nm, DL didnt die.

Post by **Xouqoa** » May 22, 2007, 1:12 am

cadalano wrote:sylar just got really pissed off at what happened and decided to just kill all living things, including all pre-humans. GAME OVER, ASSHOLE.

I don't think he'd be able to kill all living things. If he went and did the bomb thing, wouldn't he be incinerated? If he's immune from his own radiation and stuff, then scratch that idea.

The showdown between him and Peter was a bit of a let down, I really was hoping we'd get to see them fight it out with their abilities. The set up for season 2 looked pretty cool though. I think Kensei is Hiro's father. (Maybe that was obvious, but it looked like George Takaei dressed up as him at the end on the horse.)

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 22, 2007, 3:18 am

Am I wrong in thinking that Sylar is still alive? Near the end they showed a blood trail and the open manhole cover near where Sylar was skewered.

If so that will be severely retarded. Honestly I've had enough of Sylar and if they want to make him the recurring villian or something I think I'll be losing interest.

Overall I thought it was a rush ending considering all 22 episodes prior to it were building the story. And the 'battle' was pretty undramatic.

I noticed this last episode where the FBI woman turned around and Sylar was no longer there after he just finished talking but does that mean he got to the invisible man and took his power? This also occurred to me again in the last episode where he was nowhere around at the end when Peter and Bennet get to Kirby Plaza then suddently he is behind Peter.

Oh, and wouldn't a nuclear explosion, especially at that altitude, still send out a nasty EMP and basically damage most electronics in a rather large (hundreds of miles) radius?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 22, 2007, 4:05 am

Siji wrote:I'd much rather have politician fly boy killed off. Can't stand him and really, what's he done so far besides be a jackass? Maybe he grabs nukulear boy and flies over the ocean just before they blow up, thus fulfilling the paintings.

Siji wins back from Nov 28th, followed three hours later the same day by:

Winnow wrote:Siji had a good point on the Politician. If he remains mosty a dick, he might be the one to fly away with the exploding Radioactive man to finally do something right for a change.

Turned out to be Peter exploding but a good call!

Hiro stabbing Sylar was anticlimactic, especially if Sylar is still alive which it appears he is. Claire faceplanting was fun to watch.

I was disappointed we never found out what Peter and Nathan's mom's powers were or what Simone's dad's powers were. (the power to see invisible people in dreams?)

I enjoyed the final episode but it was a little rushed and certainly left lots of unanswered questions.

Next up is the six "Origins" episodes this summer when we get to vote on which Heroes will join the show for season 2.

Micah and Molly are going to hook up in a few years to make super babies.

Overall, an excellent first season. I was entertained. It's going to take some fancy writing to make season two as captivating.

edit: added an "e" for Zygar!

Zygar · Post by **Zygar** » May 22, 2007, 5:18 am

Winnow's super power is the inability to remember the fact the Claire has an E at the end of her name....

Nice episode.....was hoping the blood trail/manhole cover wasn't a Sylar out, but I guess it is. I hope Slyar really did bite it and the next villain is the one that Molly said is "much worse" that Sylar...the one when she thinks about him he can see her.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 22, 2007, 7:46 am

It is possible that someone took Sylar's body as opposed to him dragging himself down there..

There's also the theory floating around that Nathan just dropped Peter in high atmo and flew away from the blast.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 22, 2007, 10:10 am

What I don't understand is....why could Peter not control the fire power? He had no problem with any other power. It really doesn't make any sense. But, it was good TV.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » May 22, 2007, 10:16 am

At the end of this nuclear explosion deal, I forsee the brother overcoming his denial of his abilities, picking up peter, and flying him out to the ocean or whatever to explode. And also, the mind-reader guy happened to be kayaking nearby and is instantly vaporized so I never have to endure another of his scenes.

Came in January.. but i think the fact that 3 knuckleheads predicted the ending means that we all lose, and there are no winners.

Also, isnt there going to be fallout pretty much sweeping the US at this point? Blow him up in the ocean, doofus.. not the stratosphere

miir · Post by **miir** » May 22, 2007, 11:05 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:What I don't understand is....why could Peter not control the fire power? He had no problem with any other power. It really doesn't make any sense. But, it was good TV.

Well, it took Sprague years to be able to control his power.
It's not really beyond 'suspension of disbelief' that Peter would have a hard time controlling it the day of... or a few days after he absorbed the power.

I'm not sure about Sylar though.
Maybe because he absorbed Spragues brain, he also absorbed the knowledge and power to control it.

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