Teacher Makes 7-Year-Old Hit Himself

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Teacher Makes 7-Year-Old Hit Himself
By Associated Press
5 hours ago

MANCHESTER, Mo. - A music teacher who twice ordered a seven-year-old pupil to hit himself in the head with drum mallets will not return to the Parkway School District next year.

The incident happened on February Ninth in teacher Paul Provencio's music class at Carman Trails Elementary School in suburban St. Louis.

State officials say the 36-year-old teacher intended the head-banging as a lesson to Justin Barricklow about hitting the drums too hard.

The Missouri Department of Social Services investigated the case at the request of the boy's father, Scott Barricklow, who works as a groundskeeper for the Parkway district.

Provencio has since apologized. School officials called the incident "unprofessional and totally inappropriate."

I hate our world right now.

[Aslanna]

There's a lot worse reasons to hate the world right now.

Like George Bush being in office.

[Xatrei]

Or like 3 educated, successful men who are asking the American public for their endorsement and for their confidence as candidates for the office of President of the United States of America, proudly stating that they don't believe in evolution in a nationally televised debate? How about the fact that we live in a country where a significant number of people don't think it's fucking medieval to even ask the question?

[Nick]

I just saw that GOP debate thingy on youtube, I cannot believe there are 3 men trying to be President of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA who don't believe in evolution.

It's completely

[Xatrei]

On the plus side, those three have no shot at the nomination, but still.... it's just sad.

[Keverian FireCry]

Way to derail an important thread you guys!

A kid hit himself with a drumstick and all you can talk about is the future of the USA!? This is a yet another example of how blind liberals are when it comes to seeing the big picture.

[kyoukan]

you can't hurt yourself with drumsticks, they'd break first. what's the problem?

[Demags]

Aren't drum mallets those things with the big felt ends on them that they use for bass drums? If thats the case I doubt they would even leave a mark let alone cause pain.

Hell, when I was in elementary school I had a teacher that would punish you by lifting you right out of your chair by the hair. In this ridiculous day and age I should sue her for causing my receeding hairline.

If I got a jury with a lot of male pattern baldness they would probably award me millions!

[Gonzoie - Luclin]

Aren't drum mallets those things with the big felt ends on them that they use for bass drums? If thats the case I doubt they would even leave a mark let alone cause pain.

Hell, when I was in elementary school I had a teacher that would punish you by lifting you right out of your chair by the hair. In this ridiculous day and age I should sue her for causing my receeding hairline.

If I got a jury with a lot of male pattern baldness they would probably award me millions!

Yah, mallets cause no pain unless you unleashingly terrorize yourself with said mallet.

My old teacher used to pull me out of the classroom by my ear

[Winnow]

I was paddled in kindergarten for not returning to class after recess, causing the school to go on a hunt for me and the other kid I was with.

I only wish Animal House had been out and I'd seen it so while the principal was paddling me I could have yelled, "Thank you sir! May I have another!" to piss him off. Unfortunately, all I was able to do was remain stoic while the other kid bawled his eyes out.

The article doesn't say if the kid actually hit himself. I wonder if the kid refused and was sent to the dean's office or if another kid told someone.

[Lalanae]

The article says the teacher intended it as a lesson on hitting drums too hard. It sounds to me like the teacher wsn't intending that the kid whack himself really hard, but to make the kid understand what kind of force should be used when playing the drums (i.e. if it hurts your head, then its too much).

I wouldn't be suprised if it was just an analogy and the whiney brat told his parents that the teacher was demanding that he hurt himself. Parents of problem kids love to suddenly become involved in their child's welfare when there is someone else to point a finger at.

[miir]

Aren't drum mallets those things with the big felt ends on them that they use for bass drums?

That's exactly what they are.
I remember whacking my friends on the head with drum mallets in public school. It was funny because they didn't really hurt.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Or like 3 educated, successful men who are asking the American public for their endorsement and for their confidence as candidates for the office of President of the United States of America, proudly stating that they don't believe in evolution in a nationally televised debate? How about the fact that we live in a country where a significant number of people don't think it's fucking medieval to even ask the question?

So you have proof there is no God? I would think you could be making a shit ton of money with that instead of being an internet board retard.

[Sylvus]

Or like 3 educated, successful men who are asking the American public for their endorsement and for their confidence as candidates for the office of President of the United States of America, proudly stating that they don't believe in evolution in a nationally televised debate? How about the fact that we live in a country where a significant number of people don't think it's fucking medieval to even ask the question?

So you have proof there is no God? I would think you could be making a shit ton of money with that instead of being an internet board retard.

That's not what he said. What he said is he can't believe that they don't believe in evolution. Evolution happened and is happening still. To disbelieve that is, as Xatrei said, medieval.

Whether or not there is a God is a different debate that should be able to be independent of the fact that evolution happened.

Even though I'm not much of a Believer, I still don't see how the story of Genesis and the theory of evolution are mutually exclusive. When I was a kid, a 45 minute drive to my uncle's house seemed like it took an eternity. Now I can waste 45 minutes and not even realize any time has passed. Extrapolate that difference of 25 years between child sylvus and adult sylvus into the difference between 30 year old sylvus and timeless, omniscent, omnipotent God and who is to say that one of his "days" doesn't take considerably longer than 24 hours, we weren't created on the 6th day, and it's currently still the 7th day where he's resting.

Is it too difficult to believe that evolution might fit God's will exactly? He has to do everything via an I Dream of Jeannie head bob and it's instantly so? I don't see how something that actually has evidence supporting it -and is, you know, true - can be disbelieved by people who support something that has never once had any shred of corroborating evidence supporting it. If you want to believe, more power to you, but why not allow your belief to be supported by real world evidence rather than excluding it?

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Or like 3 educated, successful men who are asking the American public for their endorsement and for their confidence as candidates for the office of President of the United States of America, proudly stating that they don't believe in evolution in a nationally televised debate? How about the fact that we live in a country where a significant number of people don't think it's fucking medieval to even ask the question?

So you have proof there is no God? I would think you could be making a shit ton of money with that instead of being an internet board retard.

Kil, I like you, but stop it. First, prove there is a God, before you go blasting someone for claiming there isn't.

If I call the media and try to reap rewards from my 10 year study on the proof of the non-exisistance of Centaurs, have I really done anything? Would you be impressed?

[Dregor Thule]

Fuck you, bitch. Centaurs do SO exist.

[kyoukan]

That's not what he said. What he said is he can't believe that they don't believe in evolution. Evolution happened and is happening still. To disbelieve that is, as Xatrei said, medieval.

So you are saying to us right out that you don't support the troops?

[Xyun]

Or like 3 educated, successful men who are asking the American public for their endorsement and for their confidence as candidates for the office of President of the United States of America, proudly stating that they don't believe in evolution in a nationally televised debate? How about the fact that we live in a country where a significant number of people don't think it's fucking medieval to even ask the question?

So you have proof there is no God? I would think you could be making a shit ton of money with that instead of being an internet board retard.

The fact that you exist is proof enough there is no god.

[Leonaerd]

Kilmoll loses. Kyoukan wins. I laugh hard in the direction of Christianity and how much money has been spent building churches.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Or like 3 educated, successful men who are asking the American public for their endorsement and for their confidence as candidates for the office of President of the United States of America, proudly stating that they don't believe in evolution in a nationally televised debate? How about the fact that we live in a country where a significant number of people don't think it's fucking medieval to even ask the question?

So you have proof there is no God? I would think you could be making a shit ton of money with that instead of being an internet board retard.

That's not what he said. What he said is he can't believe that they don't believe in evolution. Evolution happened and is happening still. To disbelieve that is, as Xatrei said, medieval.

Whether or not there is a God is a different debate that should be able to be independent of the fact that evolution happened.

Even though I'm not much of a Believer, I still don't see how the story of Genesis and the theory of evolution are mutually exclusive. When I was a kid, a 45 minute drive to my uncle's house seemed like it took an eternity. Now I can waste 45 minutes and not even realize any time has passed. Extrapolate that difference of 25 years between child sylvus and adult sylvus into the difference between 30 year old sylvus and timeless, omniscent, omnipotent God and who is to say that one of his "days" doesn't take considerably longer than 24 hours, we weren't created on the 6th day, and it's currently still the 7th day where he's resting.

Is it too difficult to believe that evolution might fit God's will exactly? He has to do everything via an I Dream of Jeannie head bob and it's instantly so? I don't see how something that actually has evidence supporting it -and is, you know, true - can be disbelieved by people who support something that has never once had any shred of corroborating evidence supporting it. If you want to believe, more power to you, but why not allow your belief to be supported by real world evidence rather than excluding it?

I actually am one of those who believe that beings do evolve. I do not believe in Darwinist evolution. If his theories were true, then it stands to reason that the other planets we can actually see and study should have life of a higher magnitude on them....because we evolve to allow us to match our surroundings right?

Any time a debate comes out about evolution vs creation, I throw out anyone arguing that there is no evolution whatsoever and assume they are talking about Darwinism.

[Zaelath]

I actually am one of those who believe that beings do evolve. I do not believe in Darwinist evolution. If his theories were true, then it stands to reason that the other planets we can actually see and study should have life of a higher magnitude on them....because we evolve to allow us to match our surroundings right?

Any time a debate comes out about evolution vs creation, I throw out anyone arguing that there is no evolution whatsoever and assume they are talking about Darwinism.

Indeed, sure, let's totally ignore the fact that anyone that believes in evolution understands that you need a baseline set of conditions to support even the simplest forms of life. Evolution only dictates that as there are incremental changes in environment, the species or variants of species that are best suited to take advantage of those changes thrive, and the others die out.

I don't recall at any time a person with an average or better IQ suggesting that if I coat you in heating oil and set you on fire, you have some chance of evolving fire resistance. I am however willing to conduct that experiment to the benefit of all mankind.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

So single cell to human evolution can happen here but not anywhere else in the solar system. Gotcha.

[Lalanae]

lol

I think we found the missing link!

[Sionistic]

So single cell to human evolution can happen here but not anywhere else in the solar system. Gotcha.

How is that so hard to believe? The conditions on other plants at the moment cannot sustain life that we know of. It's still possible that Mars once sustained life.

[Sueven]

Abiogenesis and evolution are distinct topics which ought to be kept distinct. Why it is that life exists on earth but not on Mars has nothing to do with evolution. Evolution solely pertains to what happens AFTER life exists.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

So single cell to human evolution can happen here but not anywhere else in the solar system. Gotcha.

How is that so hard to believe? The conditions on other plants at the moment cannot sustain life that we know of. It's still possible that Mars once sustained life.

This is what kills me about evolutionists. The idea of evolution is that organisms will adapt to the environment they are in and evolve into better and greater beings. Now supposing we are the end result of that.....would it not be reasonable to think that there would be some form of life greater than bacteria on another planet in our own solar system seeing as how they all had the same amount of time to have something evolve?

And yea Suev.....but they also are theorizing that organisms do or have existed on mars. Now granted....as pretty much all science is, it is theory. You all can act as high and mighty as you want with the your theories, but as of right now, my theory of God is as provable as your theories of amoeba to man evolution.

[Sylvus]

This is what kills me about evolutionists. The idea of evolution is that organisms will adapt to the environment they are in and evolve into better and greater beings. Now supposing we are the end result of that.....would it not be reasonable to think that there would be some form of life greater than bacteria on another planet in our own solar system seeing as how they all had the same amount of time to have something evolve?

But there has to be the initial condition of life existing before said life can begin to evolve. How that initial life popped into existence is still in question (I believe?). I choose to think it was a natural occurance under optimal conditions. Others may think it was God snapping his fingers. Either way, it is absolutely reasonable to think that somewhere in the Universe, something has evolved to be greater than bacteria. The conditions on the planets in our solar system do not appear to have optimal conditions, at least currently.

Do you think it's possible that Earth could, at some point, become inhospitable to life as we know it? Via whatever disaster: natural, cosmic or man-made? If so, life could have very well existed on any other planet in our solar system (maybe not any, but at least Mars) and that life no longer exists. Or we just haven't discovered it yet.

Now granted....as pretty much all science is, it is theory. You all can act as high and mighty as you want with the your theories, but as of right now, my theory of God is as provable as your theories of amoeba to man evolution.

That is patently false. There are mountains of evidence that evolution has and is occuring as we speak. There is not a shred of evidence that has ever surfaced, outside of stories that have been passed down through generations, that God exists.

When scientists speak of evolution as a theory they do not mean that it is a mere speculation. It is a theory in the same sense as the propositions that the earth is round rather than flat or that our bodies are made of atoms are theories. Most people would consider such fundamental theories to be sufficiently tested by empirical evidence to conclude that they are indeed facts. As a result of the massive amount of evidence for evolution accumulated over the last two centuries, we can safely conclude that evolution has occurred and continues to occur. All life forms, including people, evolved from earlier species. Furthermore, all still living species of organisms continue to evolve today. We now understand that there are a number of different natural processes that can cause evolution to occur. These are presented in later tutorials of this series.

For those who have difficulty in accepting evolution because of what they perceive as contradictions with their fundamental religious beliefs, it may be useful to distinguish the ultimate origin of life from its later evolution. Many, if not most, biological scientists accept that primordial life on earth began as a result of chance natural occurrences 3.5-4 billion years ago. However, it is not necessary to believe in that view in order to accept that living creatures evolved by natural means after the origin of the first life. Charles Darwin modified his religious beliefs, as did many others, as a result of the discovery of convincing proof of evolution. Darwin's religious faith was also severely challenged by the death of his 10 year old daughter Annie in 1851. Apparently, he came to believe that his God created the order of the universe including the rules of nature that result in biological evolution. His famous book, On the Origin of Species, was not a denial of his God's existence. However, he did reject a literal interpretation of the Judeo-Christian Bible.

I simply cannot believe that any rational person can disbelieve Evolution. It's a fact.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

So single cell to human evolution can happen here but not anywhere else in the solar system. Gotcha.

How is that so hard to believe? The conditions on other plants at the moment cannot sustain life that we know of. It's still possible that Mars once sustained life.

This is what kills me about evolutionists. The idea of evolution is that organisms will adapt to the environment they are in and evolve into better and greater beings. Now supposing we are the end result of that.....would it not be reasonable to think that there would be some form of life greater than bacteria on another planet in our own solar system seeing as how they all had the same amount of time to have something evolve?
.

Nope. It would be reasonable to wonder if there is life on other planets greater than bacteria. That is why you have space programs with ships, telescopes, etc. out there looking for it. Your faith allows you to make illogical leaps of assumption. Those of us who live our lives on facts and logic are incapable of making blind leaps of truth based on pretend stuff. But, I wonder about other life forms existing out there somewhere. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. Only time and science and exploration will tell, not prayers and belief.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

The current scientific consensus is that life began from self-catalytic chemical reactions, but disputes over what defines life make the point at which such increasingly complex sets of reactions became true organisms unclear. Not much is yet known about the earliest developments in life. There is no scientific consensus regarding the relationship of the three domains of organisms (Archaea, Bacteria, and Eukaryota) or regarding the precise reactions involved in abiogenesis.

And again...I don't say I disagree with species adapting. I just do not see that every single thing on earth all evolved from one cell structure.

[Lalanae]

And again...I don't say I disagree with species adapting. I just do not see that every single thing on earth all evolved from one cell structure.

So you believe that God created a dude named Adam and then took a rib out of Adam to make a chick named Eve and they are the start of the human race (without incest somehow!!)?

Yeah, I can see how you'd think that would make more sense

[Xatrei]

Oh neat - I hadn't looked in this thread for a couple days. The lord of devolved, Neanderthal retards has proclaimed me to be a retard. Bliss!

As others have said in my defense, I don't think that I actually posited that there is no god (lowercase 'g'). Personally, I have extreme doubt that there is, but that's a completely different discussion. I simply find it shameful that 3 backwards rubes who want votes proudly profess disbelief in evolution despite mountains of evidence that supports it. Any educated person who can ignore this and not believe in the evolutionary process confirms for the rest of us their idiocy.

I do not believe in Darwinist evolution. If his theories were true, then it stands to reason that the other planets we can actually see and study should have life of a higher magnitude on them....because we evolve to allow us to match our surroundings right?

I know you're functionally retarded and all, but you've GOT to be fucking joking here. Mankind's current (and evolving) understanding of the evolutionary process do require certain prerequisites to be in place in order for life as we understand it to develop. The absence of the specific conditions that make life possible simply do not exist in most of the bodies within our solar system (too hot, too cold, no liquid water, etc.). There are a few places within our solar system where it's very possible that life exists now (in a primitive form) or did at one time.

Read a fucking book once in a while for fuck's sake.

[Nick]

Mankind's current (and evolving) understanding of the evolutionary process do require certain prerequisites to be in place in order for life as we understand it to develop. The absence of the specific conditions that make life possible simply do not exist in most of the bodies within our solar system (too hot, too cold, no liquid water, etc.). There are a few places within our solar system where it's very possible that life exists now (in a primitive form) or did at one time.

Kilmoll, even 5 year olds know this, how can a grown man have missed it? Forgotten perhaps? I'm honestly just curious how, I'm not trying to be a twat....

[Markulas]

I simply cannot believe that any rational person can disbelieve Evolution. It's a fact.

And I can't believe there needs to be an internet discussion on the matter.

This is what kills me about evolutionists. The idea of evolution is that organisms will adapt to the environment they are in and evolve into better and greater beings. Now supposing we are the end result of that.....would it not be reasonable to think that there would be some form of life greater than bacteria on another planet in our own solar system seeing as how they all had the same amount of time to have something evolve?

Organisms will de-evolve if it helps them survive and reproduce more productively, thus actually evolving into lesser beings. Now if an organism is unable to reproduce whatsoever in extreme conditions such as Venus, mutations will not build up at all and no life whatsoever will exist.

As for life existing elsewhere, it's almost a certainty we'll just never be able to reach it.

[Xatrei]

It's also worth mentioning that evolving more does not necessarily translate into being more advanced. The process only provides for more specialized organisms. Scientists now believe that chimpanzees, man's closest living relative with whom we share 95+ percent of our DNA, have gone through more evolutionary iterations than humans have. There's no doubt which of the two is more "advanced" but we evolved (specialized) less.

[kyoukan]

And again...I don't say I disagree with species adapting. I just do not see that every single thing on earth all evolved from one cell structure.

So you believe that God created a dude named Adam and then took a rib out of Adam to make a chick named Eve and they are the start of the human race (without incest somehow!!)?

Yeah, I can see how you'd think that would make more sense

People with related genetic code having sex and bearing children is a lot more plausible in the culture that kilmoll comes from.

[vn_Tanc]

Great! Straight from gun-control and onto evolution!
I'm going to start an abortion thread to complete the trifecta.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

I have read the materials on this. And it is still all theory until proven. All the "proof" lies in theories that we know are all correct....you know since scientists have only been wrong on just about everything throughout history and have to revise their theories....but this time they are right!


Fuck it....it has taken me this long to realize I just can't stand the people that are left on this board. You folks can jerk each other off for the rest of etetnity. I won;t be back.

[Sylvus]

I have read the materials on this. And it is still all theory until proven. All the "proof" lies in theories that we know are all correct....you know since scientists have only been wrong on just about everything throughout history and have to revise their theories....but this time they are right!

I'd have to go with the scientists over the bible in who's been right about what more often. For an easy example with a lot of reference material, see heliocentrism vs. geocentrism.

Fuck it....it has taken me this long to realize I just can't stand the people that are left on this board. You folks can jerk each other off for the rest of etetnity. I won;t be back.

In heaven you mean??

In all seriousness, I thought we were having another fun, mostly civil argument. The same as we always have. Your disbelief in evolution is going to be what finally drives you away from the board permanently?

[Aslanna]

I heard him and Cartalas are starting a new message board.

[kyoukan]

wow, a christian arguing against something because it has not been proven as scientific fact. if we could harness hypocrisy as an energy source we would have a renewable power plant for the entire planet hooking it up to kilmoll's mouth. the only issue would be the enormous amount of waste it produces.

at least something good came out of this thread!

[Zaelath]

I predict the US military will say something very similar in the near future to Iraqis. ><

[Truant]

Evolution as a means of life adapting is fact.

Sickle cell anemia is a result of genetic mutation to resist malaria. As long as only one of your parents has the gene, you're ok (and resistant to malaria!). But if both of your parents have this gene, there's a 1 in 4 chance you get sickle cell anemia. It's an unfortunate side effect of the evolutionary mutation.

This mutation occurred in Africa where malaria was a severe problem with regards to survival. Life there adapted, and the results are still seen today. African Americans have a much higher risk of sickle cell anemia than other minorities here in the Americas.

The aboriginal people of the Andes are another fabulous example of evolution due to their environment.


Evolution occurs all the time. However, hardlining and saying that evolution can't be real because other planets in our solar system don't have life that adapted to those environments is just plain silly. You have to take into account that evolution is gradual. Life can't adapt suddenly to a massive change brought on by some natural disaster. (not to mention plenty of other reasons)

anyways, i'm done...you guys can go back to hardlining and being illogical.

[Lalanae]

omg Tru, don't you know that the blacks are the cursed race and so that's why they have special diseases and were slaves and live in poverty. *sings* The bible tells me so *sings*

[masteen]

Their skin is dark cause they don't have souls. PRAISE WHITE JESUS!

[Kryshade]

I respect everyone's opinion on pretty much everything. I get the overall sense that the majority of you guys have something against religion because for the most part the people that follow that religion try to "push" their religion on others or that there is no scientific data to back the beliefs people have.

I myseslf am not religious. I like to think that I'm spiritual and I certainly have my beliefs and faith whether it is grounded in Christianity or not isnt the question. What strikes me as funny is the overwhelming majority that don't subscribe to a religion (which is ok!) but then you'll turn around and actually make fun of other peoples religion (again, I'm not religious, so I'm not biased).

I guess it's the poking fun at or making fun of Christianity in general that makes my point. It's ok if your not Christian, but why purposefully make fun of it, when you don't see Christians (on this board anyway) making fun of you. It's almost like you feel you have to prove something to yourselves in some way by picking on it.

I dunno, to me (just my opinion) it seems like in some way, by making fun of Christianity, your making yourselves feel better in some odd way about your own beliefs. Not sure why that is. Isn't it better to just accept what others believe as their personal choice, and to not make fun of or ridicule said beliefs as right or wrong?

[Xatrei]

Personally, I believe that the odds of any god existing are so remote as to not be worthy of serious consideration, let alone the existence of the "big-G" god of the Xians. As man's scientific understanding improves and our knowledge of our universe grows, anyone that clings to any ancient mythology in the face of overwhelming evidence is an imbecile. I don't care whether someone believes in Yaweh, Odin, Zeus or Vishnu. If it makes a person feel better about their place in the universe to believe in the bogeyman, tooth fairy, God or Osiris and Isis, then they can knock themselves out for all I care, but don't expect me to respect the fact that they ignore the giant body of man's scientific achievement in favor of some creation myth invented by primitive, uneducated people thousands of years ago. What is far worse than willful self-imposed ignorance is when these same religious lunatics work to impose the tenets of their faith upon the rest of society. There shouldn't be tolerance for this. People who would impose the "laws" of their belief in fairy tales on others should be scorned, not respected and admired.

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Personally, I don't go looking for opportunities to make fun of people for their beliefs, no matter how odd I might find them to be. However, being somewhat exasperated that 3 presidential candidates publicly display their foolishness is a subject worthy of mention, I think. It was Kilmoll that turned this into an attack on the non-believers here (or at least those that believe in evolution). It was Kilmoll that was looking for a fight, and when he got smacked around a little, he took his ball (and his faith in Jeebus) and ran home. It was Kilmoll's shameful ignorance that invited the attacks on irrational beliefs (aka faith). I don't think any of the posters in this thread go looking for goofballs to mock, but they'll surely avail themselves of the opportunity when it's shoved in their face.

I never really thought Kilmoll was such a fragile little twat, but I can't say I'll miss the retard.

[Dregor Thule]

I never really thought Kilmoll was such a fragile little twat, but I can't say I'll miss the retard.

He'll be back. They always come back eventually.

(unless we ban them!)

[Tuddi2]

And again...I don't say I disagree with species adapting. I just do not see that every single thing on earth all evolved from one cell structure.

So you believe that God created a dude named Adam and then took a rib out of Adam to make a chick named Eve and they are the start of the human race (without incest somehow!!)?

Yeah, I can see how you'd think that would make more sense

isn't it funny that massive amount of inbreeding results in what ?

higher chance of mental and physical disabled individuals, or religious nuts as i like to call them

[Leonaerd]

I have read [Christian Propaganda] on this. And it is still all theory until proven.

Fixed. Because that's the only way I can imagine you picked Christianity as the theory and denounced evolution as a possibility.

Scientific theory is based on a lot more than 1000 pages of frequently contradictory text. Have you ever read the bible? Do it and tell me if your faith hasn't faltered significantly afterwards. It's primarily what drove me to dropping anything having to do with organized beliefs altogether.

you know since scientists have only been wrong on just about everything throughout history and have to revise their theories

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?

....but this time they are right!

If that's seriously the root of your argument then I hope you find happiness in heaven. Lemming.

[*~*stragi*~*]

my 2nd grade teacher hit me in the face with a ruler and got fired for it but i didn't get a cool news story.