Spiderman 3 (OP is spoiler free)

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 5, 2007, 8:01 am

Saw it last night and very much envoyed the movie.

I thought the pacing of the slower parts and the faster parts was better than the previous movies, with the slower parts were more interesting.

Overall a very solid 3rd movie.

I'm really happy with the job they did with Venom as well.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » May 5, 2007, 11:05 am

Yeah, I was worried that Venom would really be screwed up, but they did very well with him. There were only a couple moments I didn't think really fit, and I think Jonah was in all of them. They were funny, but...well, they didn't really fit.

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » May 5, 2007, 11:16 am

Liked it as well...and all I can say is Bruce Campbell.

Sartori · Post by **Sartori** » May 5, 2007, 5:25 pm

Bruce was the best part of the movie lol

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » May 5, 2007, 5:35 pm

Bruce rocks, as always.
And after all, hes an IMPORTANT part of the Spiderman movies.

In Spiderman 1, he gave Spiderman the name.
In Spiderman 2, hes the ONLY enemy to totally defeat Spiderman, he didnt let him in to see the play. No other enemy have managed a total defeat with Spidy giving up

And yeah, great movie, my favorite of the 3 so far. And Peter trying to be cool = priceless

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » May 5, 2007, 8:34 pm

I was pretty disappointed.

[hide]First off... the particle accelerator (whatever it was). I'm no expert on the subject but I assume these are multi-million dollar (or more) operations run and supervised by serious professionals. Not only is it outdoors but there's nothing beyond an easily scaled fence to secure the area of experimentation. An adult human falls into the pit... "We've got a change in mass." "It's probably just a bird, fuck it, FIRE IT UP." Uh, wow. Great writing. As if their instruments aren't going to be measuring the mass down to the microgram. That's one big ass bird.

The kiss with Gwen Stacy. Who wrote that fucking scene? As if Spiderman in front of the American flag wasn't retarded enough, he tells her to "lay one on him". He fucking knows Mary Jane is in the crowd watching them. Then he's surprised when she gets angry? It seemed out of character for Peter Parker.

Immediately after getting royally pissed at Peter for doing that, Mary Jane goes and does the same thing with Harry. Whatever.

The bridge breakup was so monumentally stupid. Harry doesn't even threaten Mary Jane. He threatens PETER. Mary Jane knows Peter is fucking SPIDERMAN, who she knows is more than capable of holding his own against the Goblin. She also knows Harry is nearby watching her "break up" with Peter. How about she just says, "Hey, Harry's forcing me to do this, and he's right over there without his glider or suit. Go kick his ass." Amazing writing.

The whole emo transformation was just... gayer than Liberace. As soon as he looked in the mirror and pulled his bangs in front of his suddenly shadowed eyes, I could hear "How could this happen to me?" assaulting my brain. The whole "badass walking down the street" bit was just annoying. It was all so completely out of place. When Peter started pelvis-thrusting outside the store I was half convinced this movie was just money-grab by Raimi and this was his way of laughing his ass off at us.

Harry's butler... wow. Who is writing this shit? I don't think I really need to elaborate here.

Lastly, Sandman's argument that he never meant to kill Peter's uncle and that he doesn't really want to hurt anyone seems kind of void considering he just killed God knows how many people at the base of the building. And really, with the near limitless possibilities of the Sandman, was "a really big guy" all they could come up with?

That said, the other fight scenes were badass. I thought Venom was well done, but his screentime seemed rather short considering how fast he was killed off. Harry's fight scenes were all sorts of awesome.

Bryce Dallas Howard was hot as hell in this movie. Fuck Kirsten Dunst... no, wait, don't.

Lastly, Bruce Campbell was hilarious. His scene was hands down my favorite. This was the only time I could remember laughing at the intended humor instead of the movie and its shitty writing.

This was definitely my least favorite of the three. While I don't think it was complete horse shit, this one doesn't come close to the first two at all. It seemed like they bit off way more than they could chew, and the god-awful writing didn't help. As much as I would love to see the remaining symbiote from Dr. Connors' lab introduce Carnage in a subsequent movie, I can't imagine how they could do him justice without an R rating.[/hide]

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » May 5, 2007, 8:52 pm

Since Raimi said he is prolly gonna do Spidey 4,5 and 6 (Just like Star Wars!)

I want to see Doc Connors become the Lizard in Spidey 4 where he at first is a villain (misunderstood), but helps Spidey (in the end) against Kraven and Electro!

Lizard, Kraven and Electro in Spidey 4.

Vulture, Scorpion and Mysterio in Spidey 5.

Morbius, Rhino, Jackal and Carnage in Spidey 6 to finish it off with!

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 6, 2007, 2:26 am

Decent, not fantastic.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it overall. It just seemed a bit rushed. Kinda like X-Men 3 compared to the previous 2. I had the same feeling after watching this. It wasn't bad, it just could've been so much better if they would've taken the time and fleshed things out a bit more.

I agree with everything Drinsic pointed out, with my own peeves in a spoiler below.

The Sandman had a great start and ending, but too much time was spent on other things when they should've just stuck with his character. They are fagging it up with too many villans. I hope this trend does not continue.

[Show]: Venom just ran right into Sandman in the ally. "Hey, wanna kill Spiderman?" "Yeah, sure" It's like they were filiming this movie and someone informed them they had to cut out about 15 minutes somewhere, so they threw the super villian meeting together.

The number of sheer coincidences going on in this one started to get the best of even my fanboi logic. From an astroid crashing on earth and landing next to spiderman, to Brock being in the one church in NY that Spiderman also happened to be in. How about the Sandman being the guy who killed peter's uncle, then also gaining superpowers? Goddamn, the list goes on and on for this flick.

Anyway, it's already set a single day box office record (over 57 million) beating out the previous winner, Pirates: Deadman's Chest (55 million, set last summer). I think it's going to beat out the weekend box office record as well by the time things are all over.

Sartori · Post by **Sartori** » May 6, 2007, 3:15 am

I agree with pretty much all of Drinsic's <SECRET> points about the movie. Overall, it was okay, but many parts had me cringing.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » May 6, 2007, 3:29 am

Don't think they will change that tho, Raimi will try to cram three villains in each movie, not two or one or he'd be doing Spiderman 14

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 7, 2007, 3:28 pm

148 million on opening weekend. HOLY SHIT!

Post by **Sylvus** » May 7, 2007, 3:32 pm

$375M when you take in foreign markets too. Set records in like 11 out of 17 countries that it has premiered in.

And it still hasn't recovered its initial investment yet.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 7, 2007, 4:00 pm

Take that Supeman and Batman! ...and Aquaman!

MMM

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » May 7, 2007, 4:07 pm

Watching an amazing movie(s) like Grindhouse bomb financially and dogshit writing like this break records is fucking saddening, albeit expected.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 7, 2007, 4:39 pm

Drinsic Darkwood wrote:Watching an amazing movie(s) like Grindhouse bomb financially and dogshit writing like this break records is fucking saddening, albeit expected.

You can't compare "writing" when it comes to this stuff.

Compare a movie about senseless violence to a movie about a superhero saving the world. While both are entertaining to groups of people, one of them is universally appealing. It's not really that hard to figure out.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 7, 2007, 4:44 pm

[hide]The only actual groan-worthy part of that movie for me was Spidey stopping in front of a huge american flag for 3-5 seconds before going on-stage to pick up the key to the city.[/hide]

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » May 7, 2007, 4:44 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:You can't compare "writing" when it comes to this stuff.

Compare a movie about senseless violence to a movie about a superhero saving the world. While both are entertaining to groups of people, one of them is universally appealing. It's not really that hard to figure out.

Drinsic Darkwood wrote:...albeit expected.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 7, 2007, 4:51 pm

Drinsic Darkwood wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:You can't compare "writing" when it comes to this stuff.

Compare a movie about senseless violence to a movie about a superhero saving the world. While both are entertaining to groups of people, one of them is universally appealing. It's not really that hard to figure out.

Drinsic Darkwood wrote:...albeit expected.

nods

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 7, 2007, 8:00 pm

I rank it second behind Spiderman with Spiderman 2 in third.

Entertaining but Drinsic's points are valid.

[hide]Peter Parker had Peter Petrelli hair while under the influence of the Venom stuff.

The fight scenes were all well done.[/hide]

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » May 8, 2007, 12:20 am

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Story wise, I dont know what happened. Everything just seemed like a big mix mash of events somehow intertwined.

Why did Sandman stop fighting after Venom died and decided to have group therapy with Spidey? After killing a bunch of people, and oh, seeing spiderman's face.

I thought the evil Peter Parker was hillarious. Although the dance he did was just odd.

Jonah didnt get a chance to shine! Although the pills and buzer were pretty funny.

Bruce fucking Campbell
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Bojangels · Post by **Bojangels** » May 8, 2007, 12:45 am

Petrelli was the first thing I thought of when I saw Peter looking like that.

Sandman really pissed me off in this movie. He was made out to be sympathetic, but then he shows a blatant disregard for human life in nearly every scene. WTF?

Besides some stuff like that, it was ok though. I watched the downloaded one off that website linked in the other thread, but I'll go to the movies and watch it again.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » May 8, 2007, 4:54 am

[hide]Emo Parker was hilarious to watch. The parts with him under the influence of Venom were entertaining. Humping the air in front of his place made me laugh loudly.

The fight scenes were cool.

The writing reminds me of Star Wars in several ways:
-- dialogue so shitty that you wish there was no dialogue at all
-- spastic scene shifts. Uh... SUPERVILLAIN SEKRIT MEETING IN TEH ALLEY:

"Hey, Venom? Yeah, it's me. Want to meet in the alley and discuss stuff? .......... Oh, yeah, I got your phone number from a friend............ Who? Don't worry about.. just get to the fucking alley already and bring your costume................ No, the alley on 2nd and Main.................... Yes I can bring sandwiches..........."

-- the dialogue was so shitty that it's worth using another bullet point to illustrate just how shitty it was.
-- the butler. Why why why.
-- the whole "i stoled ur woman kekeke" side loop was very mundane in the scope of Spideyworld
-- The final fight scene was lame. Lame lame lame lame. Everything about it (but especially the timing) was cringe worthy. And Venom kept disappearing at opportune times. Very lame.
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Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » May 8, 2007, 11:06 am

Stan Lee had a great part (if not the best) in the movie though! Incredible performance!

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » May 8, 2007, 1:26 pm

You can keep Mary Jane and Gwen Stacey, i'll take Jennifer Dugan, the reporter at the hostagesituation.

Post by **Xouqoa** » May 8, 2007, 8:15 pm

You guys are complaining about writing in a super hero movie? It's Spiderman, not American Beauty. (Although, that would be an interesting cross over!)

It's a popcorn movie, and I enjoyed it for that purpose. Bruce Campbell was fantastic, as always. I always look forward to seeing a Sam Raimi flick just to see what cameo part Campbell will be playing.

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » May 8, 2007, 8:27 pm

Xouqoa wrote:You guys are complaining about writing in a super hero movie? It's Spiderman, not American Beauty.

I am absolutely complaining about the writing. A $258,000,000 production budget and they couldn't afford to get a decent script written? That's ridiculous. It's one thing when a popcorn movie has the occasional plot-hole, but when it takes effort to find scenes or plot-lines that actually made sense there's a fucking problem with the writing. Maybe it's just me, but my ability to enjoy a film is seriously hindered when it's just this stupid.

Xouqoa wrote:Bruce Campbell was fantastic, as always. I always look forward to seeing a Sam Raimi flick just to see what cameo part Campbell will be playing.

I will agree with you here!

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » May 9, 2007, 11:27 pm

Xouqoa wrote:You guys are complaining about writing in a super hero movie? It's Spiderman, not American Beauty.

Replace "super hero" with "action" (since that's what it boils down to) and I'll counter by saying that The Departed managed to have a sexcellent story.

Sometimes focus is purposefully taken away from writing / dialogue so that you don't take your eyes off the pinstripes for 90 minutes (Wedding Crashers, arguably?). In Spiderman III's case, they were just jackasses. It's one thing to avoid good storytelling, but to fuck it up as greatly as they tried to is monstrously stupid in that many people notice the plot holes and shitty dialogue during the film and think less of the movie while watching as a result.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » May 10, 2007, 1:52 am

Leonaerd wrote:
Xouqoa wrote:You guys are complaining about writing in a super hero movie? It's Spiderman, not American Beauty.
Replace "super hero" with "action" (since that's what it boils down to) and I'll counter by saying that The Departed managed to have a sexcellent story.

No, that's not what it "boils down to." This is not your typical action movie since a good portion of the target audience is a tad younger if you don't count the parents of the children which feel that they HAVE to see it.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » May 10, 2007, 2:49 am

Condemned with Stone Cold is a typical Action-movie though!

Sartori · Post by **Sartori** » May 10, 2007, 7:39 am

Boogahz wrote:
Leonaerd wrote:
Xouqoa wrote:You guys are complaining about writing in a super hero movie? It's Spiderman, not American Beauty.
Replace "super hero" with "action" (since that's what it boils down to) and I'll counter by saying that The Departed managed to have a sexcellent story.

No, that's not what it "boils down to." This is not your typical action movie since a good portion of the target audience is a tad younger if you don't count the parents of the children which feel that they HAVE to see it.

I don't think it's too much to ask that the quality of dialogue/scripting be palatable all the way throughout. Plenty of movies have appealed to younger audiences without insulting the intelligence of the older crowd...No excuse other than they didn't care because they knew it was a guaranteed blockbuster.

The only reason I really went to see this (and I love Spiderman, mind you) is because my friend wanted to go. I saw what I expected to see...same feeling I had when I went to see the Matrix sequels.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » May 10, 2007, 2:35 pm

Boogahz wrote:
Leonaerd wrote:
Xouqoa wrote:You guys are complaining about writing in a super hero movie? It's Spiderman, not American Beauty.
Replace "super hero" with "action" (since that's what it boils down to) and I'll counter by saying that The Departed managed to have a sexcellent story.

No, that's not what it "boils down to." This is not your typical action movie since a good portion of the target audience is a tad younger if you don't count the parents of the children which feel that they HAVE to see it.

Lame. Children deserve good stories too. Pixar manages to animate their movies and still have awesome stories, and those films obviously have a young target audience.

Sartori wrote:Plenty of movies have appealed to younger audiences without insulting the intelligence of the older crowd...No excuse other than they didn't care because they knew it was a guaranteed blockbuster.

Nailed ^. Fantastic Four? Come on. If the money put into marketing was transfered into money put into writing, then companies would sell less tickets but have awesome movies. It's pretty easy to see their motivations, too. It's not as easy to market a movie for its story as it is for its action sequences. Why? Commercials are 20 seconds long. You can either show an explosion in those 20 seconds and sell the movie easily, or attempt to show a good story in 20 seconds (unlikely since good stories tend to need their 90+ minutes to be properly told). The result is Spiderman III.

Kryshade · Post by **Kryshade** » May 11, 2007, 6:32 pm

I think most of you are forgetting this is a movie based on a comic book character. I don't go into a movie like that expecting realism or superior plot. I mean come on, it's a fantasy movie based on something that is completely unrealistic, and yet people gripe about unrealistic things happening or plot holes.

The crane scene in the movie was a good example. Everyone calls it a gaping plot hole because they didn't show what happened after he rescued the girl. Sometimes you have to just take some things for granted. The immediate threat to human life was over, so why have to show them taking the crane off the roof. I just assumed that they finally got the power turned off and the situation was remedied. I wasn't upset that they didn't go back to the crane now sitting there like a duck.

I mean if it's "coincidence" or plot holes/inconsistancies that upset people, why isn't anyone upset over the pure "coincidence" that spiderman came about in the first place... I mean come on, there's these 12 (8, 6?) superspiders and miraculously one of them gets loose, and just happens to decide to land on Peter Parker and then it for no reason decides to bite him. On top of that... OMG it's powers transfer to him?!? Amazing!!!1!!1

Seriously, it's a fun movie. You can't expect realism, you can't expect deep, amazing plotlines and stories. If you do, you'll be disappointed. I'm not saying that some movies aren't able to do it better (Batman Begins) but do you really go to a superhero movie expecting that everything will make sense and that the plot isn't going to be just a bit hokey or have holes?

IMO it boils down to the fact that when all was said and done, I can't think of more that I could have hoped for for my $4 ticket.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 11, 2007, 11:18 pm

Both Spiderman 1 and 2 came away with good critical and audiance reviews. There is a reason why, and it has to do with tight scripts and making every momment of screen time count. Each movie advanced the core characters, and were just good movies that happened to be about a super hero.

The 3rd one is taking a lot of critical flak because it deserves it. It was not nearly as consistant as the first 2. There is an obvious lack of character development and there are just too many things going on at once that detracts greatly from this being a good movie. The plot holes are glaring. The characters are mired in uninteresting plot lines. It harkens back to the Batman sequels, and is a step backwards in the genre, instead of taking it forward like it's preceeding films.

Between this movie and X-Men 3, I think the genre is getting tired. As much as I love comic book movies, perhaps it's time to shelve them for a decade or so and let Hollywood re-invent them later. Or better yet, do something original in the meantime.

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » May 11, 2007, 11:34 pm

Kryshade wrote:I think most of you are forgetting this is a movie based on a comic book character. I don't go into a movie like that expecting realism or superior plot. I mean come on, it's a fantasy movie based on something that is completely unrealistic, and yet people gripe about unrealistic things happening or plot holes.

Yeah, we probably just forgot it was a movie based on a comic book character - except that we didn't. It seems to me that you have forgotten (or were never aware of the fact) that the term "comic book" is not synonymous with mindless action and simple plots anymore. Comics are simply a medium. Their plots can be as serious or funny, dramatic or lifeless, or action-filled/deprived as their writers make them. I'm not trying to suggest that Spiderman was of the same quality writing as Transmetropolitan or Sandman or whatever (because it certainly wasn't), but things still tended to make sense within the limits of the Spiderman universe. People have superpowers and weird shit happened but it was done so in a way that we could properly suspend our disbelief. Gravity still applied, the sky was still blue, and Peter Parker didn't make out with other women in front of his girlfriend.

Kryshade wrote:The crane scene in the movie was a good example. Everyone calls it a gaping plot hole because they didn't show what happened after he rescued the girl. Sometimes you have to just take some things for granted. The immediate threat to human life was over, so why have to show them taking the crane off the roof. I just assumed that they finally got the power turned off and the situation was remedied. I wasn't upset that they didn't go back to the crane now sitting there like a duck.

Except this wasn't a good example. It's exactly like you said, one can presume the crane was taken care of because the writers actually put in several lines about having the power cut to the appropriate area. This scene, unlike so many others, did not bother me.

Kryshade wrote:I mean if it's "coincidence" or plot holes/inconsistancies that upset people, why isn't anyone upset over the pure "coincidence" that spiderman came about in the first place... I mean come on, there's these 12 (8, 6?) superspiders and miraculously one of them gets loose, and just happens to decide to land on Peter Parker and then it for no reason decides to bite him. On top of that... OMG it's powers transfer to him?!? Amazing!!!1!!1

Suspension of disbelief. It's what we rely on every time we want to enjoy fantasy, horror, science fiction, etc. so that we aren't constantly getting pissed off because Dr. Hammond has fucking dinosaurs on his island. Suspension of disbelief, however, has its limitations (for most people, perhaps you are not one of them). Spiderman is still on Earth, the sun sets in the West, cars still have circular wheels, and fruitcake still tastes like shit. What's different is that we allow ourselves to believe that a superspider's bite will bestow spider-like abilities upon a young man. That's the whole point of the super hero genre. Poor writing, horrible dialogue, inconsistent characters, and plot-holes from which light cannot escape are NOT the point of the super hero genre. These are not comic or movie elements that bring any sort of entertainment (with the exception of horrible dialogue - one liners and intentionally cheesy dialogue can certainly be entertaining), so why the fuck should we suspend our disbelief over them?

Un-guarded, un-monitored, outdoor particle accelerators run by a bunch of fucking jokers within walking distance of a residential metropolis do not fall under this category. Peter Parker being a retarded asshole for no reason does not fall under this category. A man genuinely claiming to have no intent to harm after murdering a multitude of innocents does not fall under this category. None of my previously mentioned writing complaints fall under what should be accepted through a suspension of disbelief.

Kryshade wrote:Seriously, it's a fun movie. You can't expect realism, you can't expect deep, amazing plotlines and stories.

Uh? Why the fuck not? I most certainly can.

Kryshade wrote:...do you really go to a superhero movie expecting that everything will make sense and that the plot isn't going to be just a bit hokey or have holes?

No, but nor do I go to a superhero movie expecting almost nothing to make any sense.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 14, 2007, 3:56 pm

I just saw it Saturday with my son. It was very good.

Momopi · Post by **Momopi** » May 14, 2007, 5:01 pm

I went to that movie expecting to see spiderman but a broadway musicial and dance show broke out. Venom didn't even get to dance

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 14, 2007, 7:50 pm

Momopi wrote:I went to that movie expecting to see spiderman but a broadway musicial and dance show broke out. Venom didn't even get to dance

??? Maybe you went in the wrong house? I saw Spiderman. A ton of great fight scenes too.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » May 14, 2007, 11:27 pm

For many of the above reasons, I really didn't care for it. Bruce Campbell was literally the best part of the movie, which isn't necessarily a bad thing except he was in the movie, for what, 3 minutes? I didn't buy into Topher becoming Venom at all, and while cool, I thought Venom was way too short lived. A Venom story with a Sandman cameo would have done better than what we got. I was also mad at Venoms/Brocks lack of being able to connect why Peter Parker would have been mad at him AFTER he knew Peter was Spiderman. The pace was shit, the writing was shit, the fight scenes were up to par, but rather senseless in plot movement for almost all of them save the final fight.

[Show]: oh, and what the fuck is with Sandman running away after his 'im innocent' revelation? his daughter still needs to fucking live and he still has no money, nice tie up guys.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » May 15, 2007, 5:34 am

Zamtuk wrote:
[Show]
oh, and what the fuck is with Sandman running away after his 'im innocent' revelation? his daughter still needs to fucking live and he still has no money, nice tie up guys.

[Show]: He ran away to get more money for his daughter! Sandman can easily get how much money he wants, he'll just leave NY,head to another town without Spidermans interference, bust a bank there, get the benjamins for his daughter and so forth. No policeman/soldier is able to stop him.

Sartori · Post by **Sartori** » May 15, 2007, 6:36 am

Kwon does that chick in your sig have goatlegs or what?

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » May 15, 2007, 7:56 am

Sartori wrote:Kwon does that chick in your sig have goatlegs or what?

Just decent thigh and quad-development

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » May 15, 2007, 5:00 pm

Kwonryu DragonFist wrote:
Zamtuk wrote:
[Show]
oh, and what the fuck is with Sandman running away after his 'im innocent' revelation? his daughter still needs to fucking live and he still has no money, nice tie up guys.

[Show]
He ran away to get more money for his daughter! Sandman can easily get how much money he wants, he'll just leave NY,head to another town without Spidermans interference, bust a bank there, get the benjamins for his daughter and so forth. No policeman/soldier is able to stop him.

[Show]: exactly. and spiderman just let him go, so the result was an anticlimatic harry death and a 5 minute stint of venom, with an even shittier death, wasting roughly an hour plus of plot progression. this movie really was a piece of shit. even daredevil had a better ending, AND NO ONE DIED.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » May 17, 2007, 4:09 pm

Zamtuk wrote:
Kwonryu DragonFist wrote:
Zamtuk wrote:
[Show]
oh, and what the fuck is with Sandman running away after his 'im innocent' revelation? his daughter still needs to fucking live and he still has no money, nice tie up guys.

[Show]
He ran away to get more money for his daughter! Sandman can easily get how much money he wants, he'll just leave NY,head to another town without Spidermans interference, bust a bank there, get the benjamins for his daughter and so forth. No policeman/soldier is able to stop him.

[Show]
exactly. and spiderman just let him go, so the result was an anticlimatic harry death and a 5 minute stint of venom, with an even shittier death, wasting roughly an hour plus of plot progression. this movie really was a piece of shit. even daredevil had a better ending, AND NO ONE DIED.

[Show]: I agree.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » May 17, 2007, 7:18 pm

Well, just like the first two, it was a complete piece of shit waste of my time.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » May 18, 2007, 3:46 am

Nick wrote:Well, just like the first two, it was a complete piece of shit waste of my time.

What do you think about FF4: Rise of the McGee, Incredible Hulk (Hulk 2 with Ed Norton) and Iron Man with Robert Downey Jr?

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » May 18, 2007, 9:59 am

Nick wrote:Well, just like the first two, it was a complete piece of shit waste of my time.

Why would you bother to see the third if you disliked the first two that much? Got Therapy?

Nick · Post by **Nick** » May 18, 2007, 4:33 pm

I just kept hoping they weren't gonna suck

Ed Norton playing the Hulk could be cool Kwon, and Kwon that girls legs are scary looking

Post by **Sylvus** » May 18, 2007, 4:40 pm

Nick wrote:and Kwon that girls legs are scary looking

I find her kind of attractive, at least in that bigger picture he posted.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » May 18, 2007, 4:53 pm

She is hot apart from the Draenai legs.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » May 18, 2007, 5:03 pm

I left this movie feeling a lot like I did after seeing Episode 3. So much wasted potential. I understand that the whole story arc was forgiving and not seeking vengance, but there are so many better ways they could have done this thing.

[Show]: For one thing, I think the whole harry dying at the end was a real waste. The whole Goblin 2/ SM resolution should have been in another movie as the central theme. There two major routes they could have gone, here, as I see it:

1) Peter gets black suit early on and becomes darker and bitter because MJ is a psycho hose beast. SM breaks up with MJ and starts hanging with Black Cat (which was happening during the black suit stuff in the comic book) digging the darker SM, but not Peter Pussy Parker (again, same as the comic book). Peter figures out Cat is in love with SM and not him, breaks it off with her, ditches suit at the halfway point of the movie and Brock picks it up. SM gets blamed for some shit Venom is doing, fights Venom some, then at end gets help from black cat instead of harry, who dies to save him. You get to kill Venom, have the whole team up with a villain thing, and have a lot more venom screen time, which is what everyone wanted. Plus you get some blonde tart in a cat suit to jack off to.

2) Keep story the same, but dump all the musical numbers and emo shit in favor of earlier Venom story arc with fight scenes between SM and Venom, before he makes the decision to get help from Sandman. Harry agrees to help Peter, but only for MJ's sake and they are still rivals when things are over. Harry delivers the kill shot on Venom, against peter's wishes and further driving them apart, setting up next movie. MJ and Peter do not get back together, setting up a more realistic MJ/Gwen love triangle for the next movie (which is likely to revolve around the Lizard and Peter's college life, anyhow) which can be resolved at the end of the next movie, preferably without killing villans off left and right for a change.

Mostly, I am just irritated that they killed off Harry, for little reason. He was, by far the most developed villan in the movie (hell, they spent two movies building him up) and then they whack him as an afterthought int this one. I get the distinct impression that Sam Raimi looked at the movie and said "Shit, I have a bomb on my hands, time to tie all the loose ends up!" Far too much screen time was spent on Emo Parker and not enough on the villans (which is what made the first two superior movies).

Still, the action was top notch and the acting was mostly good. The pacing was actually better than the first two movies, but the story really just kind of went no-where from the start of the Jazz club scene onward. I know it could never happen, but they really need to replace Dunst with someone else. Its obvious she hates the franchise and is just there to collect her paycheck. She has been good in other movies, but she just makes me want to strangle her when I see her in the 2nd and 3rd SM movies (kind of similar to Portman in the SW movies, in a way). Not a bad movie, but so many better ways it could have been done.