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I am so pissed off right now I am beside myself:


Though several retailers jumped the street date, the Xbox 360 Elite did not officially go on sale until yesterday. The new edition of Microsoft's popular console sports a sleek new black finish, a 120GB hard drive, and HDMI audio-video output. It also has a higher price of $479--$300 more than the stand-alone 120GB HDD sold separately to existing 360 owners.

Ironically, the 120GB HDD does come with a piece of equipment not included in the Xbox 360 Elite--a cable to transfer content from older 20GB 360 HDDs. This comes as no surprise, as Microsoft said the Elite would not come with the accessory when it announced the Elite back in March. The company's rationale was that the Elite is intended for consumers who hadn't purchased a 360 yet, so no transfer should be necessary.

Now, Microsoft is offering data transfer cables for free to Xbox 360 Elite owners for a "limited" time. According to a rep for the company, the offer is not in response to customer complaints but was "was always part of Microsoft's plan." To obtain a cable, though, gamers must first jump through a few bureaucratic hoops. First, they must download, print, and fill out an authorization form with both consoles' serial numbers. The form must then be sent via standard US mail to a redemption center in Indiana, which will then send out an Xbox 360 data migration kit gratis.

Once the kit is received, its cable is connected to the old Xbox 360 and the Elite's 120GB drive. Then the transfer--which can be performed only once--commences, erasing any existing data on the 120GB. Said data will then be replaced with all nonmovie content from the old 20GB, which is then itself blanked. The cable is thrown out, the 120GB drive is connected to the new console, and--voila!--the Elite is complete.

Though cumbersome, the data transfer process will likely prove only a mild headache to the tech-savvy consumer. However, some of those same key customers are voicing their frustration about a potentially maddening side effect of transferring Xbox Live Arcade Games. Said frustration has even prompted some Elite owners to swear off all future XBLA purchases.

Why all the fuss? As anyone who has ever brought a 360 HDD to a friend's house (or had to replace a broken system) knows, Microsoft's digital rights management (DRM) software ties each Arcade game on said HDD to a single console. When the HDD is removed and attached to another 360, the games are playable only in demo form unless said console is online and signed into Xbox Live. Even then, transferred XBLA titles can be played only with the gamer profile used to buy the game, not other profiles.

The widely read tech blog Ars Technica vented about the fact the DRM affects XBLA games transferred from regular 360s to Elites--even though the same person owns both. "Why can't this be something that turns on when you move the games, and then you can call and get them unlocked again?" Kuchera said. "If I bring my Elite to a friend's house that doesn't have ethernet in the living room, we can't play Geometry Wars? That's silly."

The DRM on XBLA games also affects television content downloaded on Xbox Live Marketplace--and is apparently permanent. "While all of your Xbox Live Arcade games and Xbox Live Marketplace TV shows will transfer [to the Elite HDD], you will have to be connected to Xbox Live (to verify your identity) in order to access that content," the company said in a statement. "This process is permanent and we advise [you to] not transfer your data if you wish to access it while offline."

While TV shows bought from Marketplace can be transferred to and watched on Xbox Live-connected Elites, movies rented from the service cannot. "In all cases, movie rentals downloaded from Xbox Live will not be available after content transfer," said Microsoft. "If you have movie rentals, watch them first!"

Way to take a major dump on your existing console owners. So this makes it impossible to trade in your old 360 at Gamestop or whatever because you will lose all the shit you have downloaded, what a joke.
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Post by Sylvus »

Maybe we read differently, but it looks like it says they're providing the cable and that you can transfer stuff from the 20 gb to the 120 gb?
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only when you buy the hard drive separate from the elite itself.
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If you're willing to dump a bunch of money on a 360, then I don't see why you're getting your panties in a bundle over an extra cord?
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Ironically, the 120GB HDD does come with a piece of equipment not included in the Xbox 360 Elite--a cable to transfer content from older 20GB 360 HDDs. This comes as no surprise, as Microsoft said the Elite would not come with the accessory when it announced the Elite back in March. The company's rationale was that the Elite is intended for consumers who hadn't purchased a 360 yet, so no transfer should be necessary.

Now, Microsoft is offering data transfer cables for free to Xbox 360 Elite owners for a "limited" time. According to a rep for the company, the offer is not in response to customer complaints but was "was always part of Microsoft's plan." To obtain a cable, though, gamers must first jump through a few bureaucratic hoops. First, they must download, print, and fill out an authorization form with both consoles' serial numbers. The form must then be sent via standard US mail to a redemption center in Indiana, which will then send out an Xbox 360 data migration kit gratis.
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The big problem right now with swapping HDD's or consoles is Live Arcade games.

Your license for your arcade title is tied to 2 things, your Live Account and your Console ID.

When you buy it on a specific console, then every account can play the game on that particular console no problem.

The problem comes if you change your console. Now the Console ID is different and you can only play the full version of those titles while your's logged in with the gamertag you purchased them with. Other people in your household can't access them with their own tag on the new console.

MS is apparently working on a way to fix this but there's no timeframe.

As Sylvus posted, there's a free transfer cable available if you want one.

Otherwise, you can try to get a stand-alone hdd at a retailer, use the cable from that and then return the HDD and cable once you're done.
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Why I am getting my panties in a bunch is due to a few reasons:

1- I can't trade my 360 in, because I would lose everything (you have to fill out a form once you have bought the new console and have the cord mailed to you)

2- If I sell it to a friend (which is what I was planning on doing) then I have to wait until the cord comes, meanwhile losing anything that would go on my new console - then get my friend to bring my old 360 back to my appartment, which would then cause him to lose anything he had put on it as well. (Not to mention that it will probably take weeks or months to get this cable mailed to you.)

Not to mention the BS of having to be on live to use movies/tv shows/arcade games. And their excuse that they weren't expecting existing owners to buy this is ridiculous.
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It's an inconvenience, not the end of the world. Maybe crying more will fix it?

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Animalor wrote:Otherwise, you can try to get a stand-alone hdd at a retailer, use the cable from that and then return the HDD and cable once you're done.
Doesn't sound like you can do that:
Once the kit is received, its cable is connected to the old Xbox 360 and the Elite's 120GB drive. Then the transfer--which can be performed only once--commences, erasing any existing data on the 120GB. Said data will then be replaced with all nonmovie content from the old 20GB, which is then itself blanked. The cable is thrown out, the 120GB drive is connected to the new console, and--voila!--the Elite is complete.
It sounds Mission Impossible-ish where the cable is only good once then it self destructs! Otherwise I'm not sure why you would throw out the cable.
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Funkmasterr wrote:Why I am getting my panties in a bunch is due to a few reasons:

1- I can't trade my 360 in, because I would lose everything (you have to fill out a form once you have bought the new console and have the cord mailed to you)

2- If I sell it to a friend (which is what I was planning on doing) then I have to wait until the cord comes, meanwhile losing anything that would go on my new console - then get my friend to bring my old 360 back to my appartment, which would then cause him to lose anything he had put on it as well. (Not to mention that it will probably take weeks or months to get this cable mailed to you.)

Not to mention the BS of having to be on live to use movies/tv shows/arcade games. And their excuse that they weren't expecting existing owners to buy this is ridiculous.
How about plugging in your 20GB drive into your elite until the cable arrives, then doing the transfer, then after that selling the Premium 360 with a blank 20gb drive to a friend/relative etc.
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I can transfer all my files off my PS3 onto my PC's HD with USB for free.

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THis is tremendous bullshit because MS is effectively double billing you for shit you simply want to transfer to the new console. Mind you, if your 360 dies but the HD is intact, you are equally screwed in this manner. Both the Wii and PS3 let you re-download anything you bought for free, despite their service being free. Microsoft should also offer this at a bare minimum, since you pay a fee for the fucking privalage of buying ancient games from them.
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Jice Virago wrote:since you pay a fee for the fucking privalage of buying ancient games from them.
I hope you don't mean having an XBox Live gold sub to buy stuff off the marketplace cause you'd be wrong.

You can buy anything off the Marketplace with the free silver accounts.
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I think you guys are pretty retarded for wanting to buy a system twice to begin with.

omg new output, omg 120gb hard drive, what the shit are you guys putting on there that you can't access otherwise? movies?

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Well the main thing I see it for is the IPTV function. The way that service is going to be looks much better than any other DVR service (from what I have seen) and you aren't going to store much on a 20GB HD.

Other than that - updates/expansions for games have already taken up over half of my 20GB hard drives space as it is - so I think that alone is a pretty good reason.
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I hope that the IPTV 360 isn't going to be a different unit than the basic ones available now.

Regardless I can see the elite being for the folks that bought a lot of TV show content off the marketplace. For others, notsomuch.

My 1yo unit is still going strong here *knock on wood* and hopefully I won't have to worry about it until the IPTV service does drop or the newer ones with the 65nm CPU/GPU come out.
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Animalor wrote: My 1yo unit is still going strong here *knock on wood* and hopefully I won't have to worry about it until the IPTV service does drop or the newer ones with the 65nm CPU/GPU come out.

Yeah, I'm not interested in another 360 until the new cool running 65nm unit is released that hopefully makes for a quieter experience. Microsoft's IPTV is supposedly a very good implementation and feels more like watching regualr TV than most of the stuff that people have experienced with IPTV.

If live (well, slightly delayed) sports start broadcasting over IPTV, I'll cancel my cable/satellite service the same day. That's the only reason left for having cable/satellite for me.
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My wife and I were debating the same unit Winnow is talking about, for reasons of reduced noice, cooling, and we would like to make full use of our HDMI capabilities on our TVs. There is no way in fucking hell were going to rebuy all the fucking XBLA games again, however.
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