Un-Ban Cartalas?

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Should Cartalas be un-banned?

Screw Cartalas. Keep him banned forever.
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The banning was wrong. Let him back in.
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Post by Funkmasterr »

Aslanna wrote:The general principle being that IGN basically killed the board where it was by retarded moderation. That is, threads being locked, posts being edited and people being banned left and right. Do you see any of that here? Nope. Just a single banning of a lame-brained retard which was enacted because he requested it. Well he got it. lol. Get over it already. The 'core principles of this board' are alive and well.

You guys need to come up with a new line because harping on the same ole 'omg you guys forgot why this board was founded!!" bullshit is getting old.
If you are implying that is the only point I made in that whole long fucking post then you obviously didn't read it - which is your own damn fault.
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No I didn't read it because guess what; it didn't fucking exist when I hit the reply button. Ooo. Shocker! My post was made mostly in response to Xyun and Neost's posts.

If I was responding to your post I would have quoted it or referenced it specifically.
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Aslanna wrote:No I didn't read it because guess what; it didn't fucking exist when I hit the reply button. Ooo. Shocker! My post was made mostly in response to Xyun and Neost's posts.

If I was responding to your post I would have quoted it or referenced it specifically.
Well then I apologize.

Edit: And to respond directly to the question you asked - even if I got to the point that I was sick of VV and didn't want to come here anymore (and I am not at that point, btw) I would stick around just to spite the people that would be happy to see me go, because that's how I roll.
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Aslanna wrote:
No I didn't read it because guess what; it didn't fucking exist when I hit the reply button. Ooo. Shocker! My post was made mostly in response to Xyun and Neost's posts.

If I was responding to your post I would have quoted it or referenced it specifically.

Well then I apologize.

Edit: And to respond directly to the question you asked - even if I got to the point that I was sick of VV and didn't want to come here anymore (and I am not at that point, btw) I would stick around just to spite the people that would be happy to see me go, because that's how I roll.
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Aslanna wrote:The general principle being that IGN basically killed the board where it was by retarded moderation. That is, threads being locked, posts being edited and people being banned left and right. Do you see any of that here? Nope. Just a single banning of a lame-brained retard which was enacted because he requested it. Well he got it. lol. Get over it already. The 'core principles of this board' are alive and well.

You guys need to come up with a new line because harping on the same ole 'omg you guys forgot why this board was founded!!" bullshit is getting old.
The point is that this wouldn't have happened if you people didn't have so much sand in your vaginas. Here you go:

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Xyun wrote:The point is that this wouldn't have happened if you people didn't have so much sand in your vaginas. Here you go:

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Funny. Again.. I never complained about cartalas. So you might want to direct the 'you people' comment elsewhere.
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Post by Traz-KOE »

I don't have anything constructive to contribute that hasn't already been said, but this stood out to me.
Funkmasterr wrote:And just because you run this fucking site doesn't give your opinion anymore fucking weight.
Actually, it kind of gives said opinion the ultimate weight because in the end neither you nor I nor (just about?) anyone else here has access to the button.

I mean, let me cut it down to the important words:
Funkmasterr wrote:you run this fucking site
That's pretty much the end of the argument there- and in case you're blinded by your own vulgarity:
Funkmasterr wrote:you run this site
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Post by vn_Tanc »

Jesus fucking god just when I thought this place couldn't get any gayer.

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Xanupox wrote:The polls should show WHO voted for which option. That way we can verify that all the voters are legit and not some 2nd, 3rd, 4th dummy accounts.

I always disliked how the votes were setup on this board.
Fair enough. I'm one of the "let him back in" votes. And then possibly put him on ignore, but as a matter of principle I dont think he should have been banned.
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Xatrei wrote:I don't think he was criticizing the donation or the size of the donation. I read his post as a shot at Funk's stated plan to withhold future donations because he doesn't like the way things are on the boards. I don't share that criticism. After all it's Funk's dime, and he can do what he wants. If he can't justify to himself funding a community with which he disagrees, that's his right and he's completely free to vote with his Paypal account.
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Post by Midnyte_Ragebringer »

Xanupox wrote:The polls should show WHO voted for which option. That way we can verify that all the voters are legit and not some 2nd, 3rd, 4th dummy accounts.

I always disliked how the votes were setup on this board.
Aye. I believe that is going on as well. It's too bad. Very pathetic.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Xanupox wrote:The polls should show WHO voted for which option. That way we can verify that all the voters are legit and not some 2nd, 3rd, 4th dummy accounts.

I always disliked how the votes were setup on this board.
Aye. I believe that is going on as well. It's too bad. Very pathetic.
I doubt this was going on. Looking at the memberlist and sorting by last log in shows very few "non-active" posters being logged in while the poll was up.
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Not to mention that board registration has been essentially closed for months now. So unless people had several accounts set up for just this purpose, the wild claims are just that.
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I second the opinion of "If you don't like it, leave."

If you don't agree with the decision of the board moderators and admins then that's your problem, not the whole communities. You're allowed to argue, but why the fuck would you keep bringing it up? And then you say that you should be allowed to state your opinions if you want.

YOU'VE STATED THEM WE ALL HEARD YOU.

Please stop asking for cart back, I don't care how righteous you think your principles are, you're still a crybaby douchebag if you haven't gotten over it yet.

Imo comparing the banning of cart to what happened to the old veeshan boards is just ignorant. The mods here do what they think is best for the community and try to make these boards as enjoyable as possible -- compared to the mods at the old boards trying to do whats best to make their e-penises grow.

So get the fuck over it.
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Post by archeiron »

1. I have never been under the assumption that this is a democracy, so I don't expect a vote (regardless of how lopsided) to necessarily yield results, and I certainly don't expect the enforcement of moderation to be a democratic event.

2. If Cartalas were un-banned now, then I suspect that no one, especially Cart, would have any respect for the rule of law on this boards; this rule is much more benevolent than IGN, but it is still present and worthy of respect.


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Cart's probably deada anyway. One look at the drama CONTINUALLY unfolding in his name and no doubt he's wanked himself inside-out.
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If you don't count the "DURR DREGOR IS FAT" and "DURR KOOKAN IS A CUNT" stupidity, Cart hadn't posted anything for like 2 years. Fuck him in the ear for having nothing to say and saying it CONSTANTLY.
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Post by noel »

I'm going to donate an additional $50 today. My way of giving Funkmasterr's posting here (while not donating in protest) the middle finger.

Edit: I've donated in your name, Funkmasterr. No need for you (or anyone really) to lose any sleep over it. I'm sure we were all biting our nails with anxiety waiting to see how much you'd donate. :roll:

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Post by Kilmoll the Sexy »

noel wrote:I'm going to donate an additional $50 today. My way of giving Funkmasterr's posting here (while not donating in protest) the middle finger.

Way to also give an homage to Cartalas too....with the one liner! Little things like that will keep him in our memories forever. I bet you didn't even think we would pick up on that you sneaky little biker.
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Neziroth wrote:I second the opinion of "If you don't like it, leave."

If you don't agree with the decision of the board moderators and admins then that's your problem, not the whole communities. You're allowed to argue, but why the fuck would you keep bringing it up? And then you say that you should be allowed to state your opinions if you want.

YOU'VE STATED THEM WE ALL HEARD YOU.

Please stop asking for cart back, I don't care how righteous you think your principles are, you're still a crybaby douchebag if you haven't gotten over it yet.

Imo comparing the banning of cart to what happened to the old veeshan boards is just ignorant. The mods here do what they think is best for the community and try to make these boards as enjoyable as possible -- compared to the mods at the old boards trying to do whats best to make their e-penises grow.

So get the fuck over it.
Your first point is we are allowed to discuss the situation but shouldn't. No reasons as to why we shouldn't, we just shouldn't.

Your second point is calling people crybabies. lol. I would consider the crybabies the people who whined and bitched to get him banned in the first place.

Your third point is completely illogical.
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Xyun wrote:I would consider the crybabies the people who whined and bitched to get him banned in the first place.
He got himself banned. No need to point the finger anywhere else.
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the unbanners have picked up a percentage point!

No clear 2/3 majority as of yet.
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Post by Midnyte_Ragebringer »

Aslanna wrote:
Xyun wrote:I would consider the crybabies the people who whined and bitched to get him banned in the first place.
He got himself banned. No need to point the finger anywhere else.
No. You're wrong. He could only have been banned if people, pussies, got all offended...BY WORDS....and then wrote PMs to Sylvus begging he make the bad man go away. You are pussies. Just admit it and then maybe we can move on. You are hypocrits. You are no different than the wastes of life who write letters and emails to TV Stations because you saw something on the TV Box that offended them. Change the fucking channel. What ever happened to sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me? Kilmoll, is right.....as a society, we're turning into pussies.
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Haha. Midnyte is starting to crack. Bigger fonts please. Hell even change the color and make it blink. It doesn't change the fact that he got himself banned. Perhaps if you'd admit THAT we could move on.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Aslanna wrote:
Xyun wrote:I would consider the crybabies the people who whined and bitched to get him banned in the first place.
He got himself banned. No need to point the finger anywhere else.
No. You're wrong. He could only have been banned if people, pussies, got all offended...BY WORDS....and then wrote PMs to Sylvus begging he make the bad man go away. You are pussies. Just admit it and then maybe we can move on. You are hypocrits. You are no different than the wastes of life who write letters and emails to TV Stations because you saw something on the TV Box that offended them. Change the fucking channel. What ever happened to sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me? Kilmoll, is right.....as a society, we're turning into pussies.
No. You're wrong. This entire series of events only happened because Cartalas habitually broke the very few rules Veeshanvault has on a scale that no one (including Kyoukan before anyone pulls that name again) even remotely approaches. Just admit Cartalas brought this shit upon himself and then maybe we can move on. You are a fucking moron.

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No clear 2/3 majority as of yet.
Yeah it sure is a close run thing :roll:
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Winnow wrote:the unbanners have picked up a percentage point!

No clear 2/3 majority as of yet.
> 2/3 != majority

Majority = > 1/2

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majority = 1/2 + 1

i think we need an in-depth analysis of the math involved.
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Neost wrote:majority = 1/2 + 1

i think we need an in-depth analysis of the math involved.
Actually it's not 1/2 + 1, it's 1/2 + n

or:

Anything greater than 1/2.
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Neost wrote:majority = 1/2 + 1

i think we need an in-depth analysis of the math involved.
Notice the ">" Noel used. The way he placed it before "1/2" is very subtle.
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Post by Nick »

what the fuck are you guys doing being logical when its obvious that "30 is still quite a lot" DUH??? WAY TO MISS THE POINT
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I'd add that the only majority needed is 1 Sylvus, 1 Pyrella or 1 Xouqoa. No other majority is relevant.
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"decisive" majority = 2/3

The wording and layout of this is worse than on the ballots used in Florida during the 2000 elections. We haven't accounted for hanging chads and crazy eyes.
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Get away from my hanging chad, you perv!
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Post by laneela »

While I would've never bitched about an idiotic poster to a moderator (I can ignore things without barely trying), I don't think the banning was uncalled for and I think the notion of revoking the banning is ridiculous. Whether or not you think that it was silly for the people who complained to complain, you can't deny that Cart repeatedly broke the rules. Sylvus was decent enough to send him a pm asking him to cool it for a bit and he decided to be an attention whore about it instead of trying to talk to Syl rationally and privately.

I really don't get what the drama is about. This is a privately moderated and ran forum and no one was personally affected by this.
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One would believe that the votes would be more one-sided though, like 99-1 or similar! :)

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Post by Kilmoll the Sexy »

noel wrote:
Neost wrote:majority = 1/2 + 1

i think we need an in-depth analysis of the math involved.
Actually it's not 1/2 + 1, it's 1/2 + n

or:

Anything greater than 1/2.
Not so fast mister sneaky.....if n is a negative integer, then your statement can be proven false.
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Lol. True, true. How about:

Majority = 1/2 + |n|
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laneela wrote: I really don't get what the drama is about. This is a privately moderated and ran forum and no one was personally affected by this.
Cart was personally affected by it and I guess affected others enough that he was banned so I disagree with that.

What does it matter that it's a privately run forum? Sure, they could boot a member a day, or everyone if they wished, but that doesn't mean you can't question it (as long as you're not booted yet) and bring drama to the "We Know Drama" forums.
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Post by *~*stragi*~* »

what if i dont think the banning is wrong but want him unbanned anyway
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Post by Neost »

sorry, i missed the ">" in noel's post.

I still maintain that a majority is 1/2+1 because anything greater than the 1 doesn't matter much unless you want to try to factor in a decisive victory.
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Or override a Presidential veto.
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Post by Kwonryu DragonFist »

This is merely a survey portraying how the community feels in the matter and brings up a topic for some discussion.

Polls are always interesting, be it to see where everyone stands politically, ones standing in a particular question such as the deathpenatly or whatnot. (pie or no pie? etc)

All in the VeeshanVault-manner.

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Post by Trek »

I voted to keep him banned, out of annoyance of scrolling past his posts instead of any greater purpose to ban/unban him



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Post by Sirensa »

I'm still holding out for the "who gives a fuck" option.
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Post by vn_Tanc »

Midnyte's only cracking cos he put this poll up as a throw-down to eveyone in the CE forum. I think he was hoping to "prove" that the banning was wrong and "we the people" wanted their mascot returned to them. And when it didn't turn out that way look at all the poor fuckers crying about how coming second by a massive margin is somehow validating their opinion or is a moral victory.

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Post by Winnow »

the unbanners have picked up two more percentage points!

Closing in on 60/40.
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Can someone donate 50 in the name of the guy in canada who has been pretending to be a woman for the last 10 years.
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I think we can safely guess who the ten or so new accounts have been made by in the last day.
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Nick wrote:I think we can safely guess who the ten or so new accounts have been made by in the last day.
I'm guessing if anyone was stuffing the ballot box with created accounts over the past two days it was the side that can approve new accounts.

its obvious SexyAlice69xxx is an anti Cart alias.

Rigged!


60/40 is a pretty good showing considering!
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