The Official PS3 thread!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 27, 2007, 4:15 am

kyoukan wrote:Wow another amazing article by some moronic fantard from his mom's basement. That's great Winnow! Thanks for another amazing contribution to this troll infested shitfest of a thread.

I was giving the head honchos at Sony a break but all the top stories come right from them atm:

As if gimping the PAL PS3's backward compatibility wasn't enough tomfoolery for the month (yeah, yeah, we know it was to cut costs), now Sony's gone and declared controller rumble outdated. Sony's Phil Harrison says:

I believe that the Sixaxis controller offers game designers and developers far more opportunity for future innovation than rumble ever did. Now, rumble I think was the last generation feature; it's not the next-generation feature. I think motion sensitivity is. And we don't see the need to do that. Having said that, there will be specific game function controllers, potentially like steering wheels that do include vibration or feedback function -- not from us but from third parties.

So not only are they not including rumble, they're going all out and saying that it's outdated? Pretty soon we're going to have to call gaffes like this "pulling a Sony." – Jason Chen

Don't need to hit up the "fantards" but I am not without compassion for the Sony Executives sometimes!

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » February 27, 2007, 1:39 pm

That is roughly the 9th time that the rumble discussion has came up. Quit recycling stupid shit please.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 27, 2007, 2:15 pm

Sony slashes prices on Blu-ray player

Sony announced a new Blu-ray player that will retail for $599, $400 cheaper than the model it's replacing. Of course, for the same price you get a PS3 that can also play games.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 27, 2007, 2:27 pm

Well they are making progress at least. That's the price it should have been when it came out.

Personally if I was going Blu-Ray I would choose the player over the PS3 even if they are the same price.

Post by **Sylvus** » February 27, 2007, 2:57 pm

Aslanna wrote:Personally if I was going Blu-Ray I would choose the player over the PS3 even if they are the same price.

But what if the PS3's controller had rumble capability? I bet it'd be a different song and dance then, huh?

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » February 27, 2007, 3:11 pm

Sylvus wrote:
Aslanna wrote:Personally if I was going Blu-Ray I would choose the player over the PS3 even if they are the same price.
But what if the PS3's controller had rumble capability? I bet it'd be a different song and dance then, huh?

Only if the controller would rumble to porn movies on the blu-ray player....

Ah shit the porn industry chose HD-DVD according to some of Winnow's ramblings 5 pages ago.

Nevermind, ALL HAIL TEH 360!!1!eleven!!

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » February 27, 2007, 4:41 pm

Ironic you bring that up Sabek. I heard someone talking in class yesterday that Vivid signed exclusively to Blu-Ray.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 27, 2007, 4:53 pm

Sony lost the race when it turned out the double-dong vibrator controller was fake.

I'd bet that looking back on this fiasco, Sony would be happy to pay a few ten's of millions $$ for the rights to use rumble now.

Zamtuk wrote:Ironic you bring that up Sabek. I heard someone talking in class yesterday that Vivid signed exclusively to Blu-Ray.

Exclusive?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,12874 ... ticle.html

Most porn industry film makers have not been able to find replicators to make Blu-ray Disc copies for them, and have instead turned to rival format HD DVD. The two formats are vying to replace DVDs as the high definition format of choice for people who like to watch movies at home....

...Vivid plans to closely watch how sales of the Blu-ray Disc sequel to the classic "Debbie Does Dallas" stack up against HD DVD, said Hirsch. A Blu-ray Disc failure could end its use by Vivid because of the costs involved.

"Blu-ray is extremely expensive to work with," said Hirsch. Authoring in Blu-ray Disc is about four times more expensive than HD DVD, he said, while replicating is three times as expensive. Authoring is the process of combining video and audio into a format that a disc player can read.

In fact, Vivid is the only company in the adult film industry using Blu-ray Disc right now. Other companies say they were rebuffed by Sony and other companies that replicate Blu-ray Discs.

Doesn't look exclusive to me...more like a slim chance they might also release movies on Blue Ray.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » February 27, 2007, 6:05 pm

I didn't see anywhere where it says Vivid is on HD-DVD. However, keep in mind I heard this news in one of my classes from some people talking a few rows back.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 2, 2007, 1:50 am

Leaked infoz?

Details from Phil Harrison- Sony Computer Worldwide Studios
Keynote at GDC March 7th 2007:

Announcements:

Firmware update available on the 8th for North America/Japan and Asia. European PS3's will be preloaded with this latest update.

Features of this latest firmware include:

More refined PS Store frontend
Playstation Network integrity enhanced
Wallpapers from pictures
Ability to change background colours
Sony Connect Store for music and movies added to the PS Store. Hundreds of trailers/full films/song videos and mps3's available for download.
Playstation Card option in PS Store enabled.
Playstation Lifestyle- Similar to my space/youtube. User generated content and experiences are the key.
+ more.

Removal of Emotion Engine chips in PS3's in NA and Japan to follow in April. Reason for this is to reduce costs and focus on enhanced opportunities via software. Benefits include the ability to upscale selected PSone/PS2 games to 1080i/720p.

Lots of development talk.
Release dates for key games. Warhawk in June/July 2007. Heavenly Sword delayed. Killzone and MGS4 in late 2007.

New content on PS Store available on the 8th:

Tekken 6 trailer
Lair demo & trailer
Rainbow Six Vegas demo
EA: Skate trailer
Battlefield Bad Company trailer
Warhawk demo
Virtua Fighter 5 demo
Virtua Tennis 3 demo & trailer
GRAW 2: trailer
Mortal Kombat 2 game
Killzone trailer

Killzone demo for May.

And something else interesting...

Sony has now settled their differences with rumble specialists Immersion and have entered a 'business' agreement. David Karraker of Sony has confirmed that they have reached a deal with Immersion on its vibration technology and look forward to utilizing it in future Playstation products!

Weren't they saying not that long ago that they didn't care about rumble and that sixaxxis (or whatever) was the future? Oh yeah that's when they weren't allowed to use it. How quickly the tune changes!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 2, 2007, 11:13 pm

Well whattaya know...I guess that rumble feature isn't so last gen afterall. Sony might get it right sometime around Christmas 2008 if the game developers figure out how to make games for it by then. I hope Immersion raped Sony for being such dicks about it.

Sony and Immersion End Lawsuit

Sony and Immersion have finally made up, possibly paving the way for future rumble compatibility on the sixaxis? Gamesindustry.biz certainly thinks so. A new agreement has been made which will see Immersion working on introducing rumble features into future Playstation products, although declined to comment exactly on what products these would be.

“Our new business agreement with Sony is specifically intended to enable advanced vibration capability for the benefit of the PlayStation community,” said Victor Viegas, CEO of Immersion. “We are happy to provide our technology in this regard and hope to make technical proposals very soon with respect to use of our technology in the PlayStation products.”

Kaz Hirai also commented on the agreement saying, “We look forward to exploring with Immersion exciting new ways to bring the largest and best range of gameplay experiences to our customers.”

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 2, 2007, 11:52 pm

Stop saying what I'm saying!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 4, 2007, 12:40 am

Aslanna wrote:Stop saying what I'm saying!

Looks like Sony is settling for 150 million. Microsoft settled for 26 million back in 2003 including grabbing stake in the company:

Published: July 28, 2003, 6:34 PM PDT

Microsoft has settled a patent-infringement suit and received the rights to use Immersion’s technology for providing tactile responses in devices such as joysticks.

Under the deal, Microsoft will pay Immersion $26 million for licensing rights and for a stake in the company, Immersion said Tuesday. Immersion also can borrow as much as $9 million more through a convertible debenture arrangement with Microsoft, the company said.

Sony can write off, oh, say the next 250,000 PS3's to pay for that gaff and Microsoft can make some money off Immersion. : )

bwahahahaha

Oh, Sony sells PS3s at a loss and doesn't make 100% profit on them? Let's call it the next half million PS3s then.

Nice going Sony. Microsoft was smart enough to settle early AND take a stake in the company.

Add another 22 million so Sony can actually license the rumble technology:

Sony Agrees To Pay $150.3 Million In PlayStation Patent Suit

At issue is software that causes the PlayStation controller to vibrate in sync with the videogame action.

By Antone Gonsalves
InformationWeek

March 2, 2007 01:12 PM

Sony Corp. has agreed to pay Immersion Corp. $150.3 million in ending a patent infringement suit in which the latter company claimed the consumer electronics giant used its technology in the PlayStation videogame console.

The agreement followed Sony's decision to withdraw its appeal of a federal court jury decision awarding Immersion $127.8 million, an Immersion spokeswoman said Friday. The Oakland, Calif., jury found Sony guilty of patent infringement in 2004.

In a separate, but related agreement, Sony has licensed Immersion technology for $22.5 million, the spokeswoman said.

The suit stemmed from Sony's use of Immersion software that causes the PlayStation controller to vibrate in sync with the videogame action. The so-called haptic technology was used in the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 models. Sony has not said whether the technology would now be used in PlayStation 3, which was released in the United States in November.

"We look forward to exploring with Immersion exciting new ways to bring the largest and best range of game-play experiences to our customers," Kazuo Hirai, president and group chief operating officer for Sony Computer Entertainment, said in a joint statement with Immersion.

Victor Viegas, chief executive of San Jose, Calif.-based, Immersion, said he was "pleased to have put this litigation behind us."

"Our new business agreement with Sony Computer Entertainment is specifically intended to enable advanced vibration capability for the benefit of the PlayStation gaming community," he said.

...and all your know-it-alls thought rumble was old news.

ooooh, rumble's not that great...lolz

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 16, 2007, 3:24 am

hay!

This looks pretty cool:

If you bought a PlayStation 3 thinking it was just for games or watching movies, Sony wants you to know you can use the powerful device for something a lot more important.

Sony announced on Thursday that owners of any Internet-connected PS3 will be able to participate in a wide-ranging, distributed, scientific experiment led by Stanford University's Folding@home program, which is seeking to better understand a process called protein folding and its relationship to several serious diseases.

Until you read this:

As fans prepare for the launch of Sony's PlayStation 3 in Europe, energy information website Sust-it has recommended that buyers prepare for some eye-watering electricity bills.

The site warns that the US version of the PlayStation 3 comes with a sizeable 380W power supply, which is over twice as big as its main competitor, Microsoft's Xbox 360 at 165W, and over seven times more power hungry than the PlayStation 2.

Stanford can fold their own protein. am i rite?

If a user combines a PS3 with a sizeable plasma display to take full advantage of the graphics capabilities of the machine, users could be burning 1.4kWh of power per hour costing up to £1.19 (that's like $48.00 CAN) for a five-hour session.

ah yes, lets leave those PS3s cranking out CPU cycles at maximum capacity 24/7!

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » March 16, 2007, 6:52 am

One day I will look at this thread and see something other than "Last Post: Winnow" next to it.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » March 16, 2007, 7:18 am

Folding is cute and probably the only thing that's gonna really tax those Cell processors for the PS3 in the near future.
Apparently they are able to do things with the software since it's a fixed platform that will make it a lot more efficient than the PC client
(http://folding.stanford.edu).

If people are going to run this on the PS3, the TV doesn't need to be on. The PS3 by it's lonesome with the TV off will use up about the same amount of power as your PC running this.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 16, 2007, 10:16 am

Need to grab one of these to check on that:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6882715001

Folding on PC:

running the Folding@Home client on my computer. I won’t belabor the good that comes from running F@H, suffice to say that I’d encourage others to run it. If you’d like to contribute your work unit results to my team, you can visit My team page for details. However, running the client at maximum usage added a good 20W to 30W continuously to the computer’s power consumption,

A PC idling vs a PS3 maxed while folding is quite a difference. You can write a check to your favorite science project for a few hundred dollars or fold on your PS3 for a year.

Haven't seen any numbers for a PS3 but on Stanford's site:

Although power supplies on most computers are rated at 400 watts, average usage is lower. On average, a Pentium-type computer uses about 100 watts (if the monitor is off). So, the daily difference between off and running F@H is about 24x100 = 2.4 kWh. At $0.15 per kWh ( from PG&E here in California), this works out to about $0.36 per day.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 20, 2007, 2:30 am

DMC 4 No Longer PS3 Exclusive

Posted on: March 19th, 2007 at 8:57PM CDT Posted by: Brendon Lindsey Listed Under: Industry

Just a short while ago, Capcom confirmed what many have already been speculating: Devil May Cry 4 will not be a PS3 exclusive.

"Capcom is committed to making its titles available to as wide an audience as possible, and has been building its technology base to meet that goal," said Mark Beaumont, executive vice president, officer and head of Capcom consumer software publishing in the Americas and Europe. "This announcement means that PS3, Xbox 360 and PC owners worldwide will be able to experience the latest installment of one of Capcom's pillar franchises."

Waikiki · Post by **Waikiki** » March 20, 2007, 11:52 am

PS3 firmware 1.60 adds background downloading; due March 22nd

A Japanese PlayStation press release reveals details and a date for the next PS3 firmware update, 1.60. On March 22nd, Sony is finally releasing background downloading for the PlayStation Store in addition to the Folding@home client, Remote Play for 20GB PS3s removing the built-in wireless requirement, a full-size on-screen keyboard, and enhanced browser viewing functionality.

Much needed improvements! I've been waiting for the background downloading.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 21, 2007, 11:11 pm

Looks like the PS3 might do a little better in Europe:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fozi999/429443942/

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 22, 2007, 1:58 am

Come on Square Enix! You can do it!

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ffxiii/rumour- ... 246094.php

Lastly, for Final Fantasy XIII, I can say to you that exclusiveness is under discussion).

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 22, 2007, 2:41 am

Waikiki wrote:
PS3 firmware 1.60 adds background downloading; due March 22nd

A Japanese PlayStation press release reveals details and a date for the next PS3 firmware update, 1.60. On March 22nd, Sony is finally releasing background downloading for the PlayStation Store in addition to the Folding@home client, Remote Play for 20GB PS3s removing the built-in wireless requirement, a full-size on-screen keyboard, and enhanced browser viewing functionality.
Much needed improvements! I've been waiting for the background downloading.

With limitations!

David Karraker of SCEA has clarified some misconceptions about the upcoming PS3 backgroung downloading feature. Karraker states that you can play games and download in the background but you will not be able to play onlinea t the same time.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » March 22, 2007, 7:27 am

Aslanna wrote:
Waikiki wrote:
PS3 firmware 1.60 adds background downloading; due March 22nd

A Japanese PlayStation press release reveals details and a date for the next PS3 firmware update, 1.60. On March 22nd, Sony is finally releasing background downloading for the PlayStation Store in addition to the Folding@home client, Remote Play for 20GB PS3s removing the built-in wireless requirement, a full-size on-screen keyboard, and enhanced browser viewing functionality.
Much needed improvements! I've been waiting for the background downloading.
With limitations!

David Karraker of SCEA has clarified some misconceptions about the upcoming PS3 backgroung downloading feature. Karraker states that you can play games and download in the background but you will not be able to play onlinea t the same time.

Same limitation that the 360 has =)

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » March 22, 2007, 12:58 pm

I cannot believe I am posting this before Winnow, but I would take a look at this article:

FFXIII Exclusivity in discussion

Sony Computer Entertainment France president Georges Fornay dropped the bombshell in an interview with French-language newspaper Les Dernières Nouvelles d'Alsace (subscription required). He said, "The development costs of games have exploded, and it has become more difficult to have exclusives, outside of our own games. But we have for launch day [in France] 30 games, including MotorStorm, Resistance: Fall of Man, and Virtua Fighter 5. Moreover, we are expecting 200 games [for the PS3] by the end of 2007... As far as Final Fantasy XIII goes, I can tell you that the exclusivity is in discussion."

If that happens, it could be a serious blow to the PS3 and I don't think anyone can deny that.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » March 22, 2007, 1:04 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:I cannot believe I am posting this before Winnow, but I would take a look at this article:

erm, look up three posts

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » March 22, 2007, 1:12 pm

Oh boo, I wonder how many times I looked at that post

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 22, 2007, 8:34 pm

Mmmm Beer!

MS sends CVG the difference between 360 and PS3... in beer!

Thursday 22-Mar-2007 4:50 PM

"What would you purchase for £146?" asks Microsoft

Don't let anyone else fool you; this is the reason we do what we do - free beer, and lots of it.

Wheeled into our office this afternoon by a special ops team of beer couriers was this £146 pile of Fosters on behalf of one Microsoft Corporation. Was it because of our gushing GDC coverage? No, apparently MS has a more specific reason for its generous gift.

"What would you purchase for £146...? (The price difference between an Xbox 360 and a PlayStaion 3)", asks the included Xbox 360-headed notice. "Well, for a start we thought you might like £146 worth of beer to kick start your weekend early."

Signed, "Jump in. Xbox 360. The Leader in the next generation of gaming and entertainment."

Sony - we need £146 worth of pork scratchings and kebabs. PRONTO!

The launch of Sony's PlayStation 3 games console got off to a feeble start last night last night with officials, media and security outnumbering customers for most of the evening.

Over 500 retailers around the country threw open their doors as the clock struck 12:00am, expecting the frenzy that accompanied the games console's overseas debuts.

But most stores were virtually deserted, despite the 20,000 pre-orders Sony said it had received.

Even at the official launch event held at Myer's Pitt Street store in Sydney's CBD and attended by Sony's local managing director, Michael Ephraim, media and security outnumbered PS3 fans until at least 11:00pm.

At midnight, about 40 PS3 buyers had arrived to collect their consoles, causing distress for the army of camera crews who turned up expecting to capture launch mayhem.

Desperate producers unashamedly asked the crowd to fake excitement when the cameras were rolling, while a team from 2Day FM let out bogus cheers to convince their radio listeners that a launch extravaganza was underway.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » March 23, 2007, 5:51 am

Quite possibly the funniest anti-Sony (and pro-Sega) site in the known world:

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » March 23, 2007, 10:32 am

Sign the petition! Get capcom to make DMC4 a Sony Exclusive again!

http://www.petitiononline.com/capcompe/petition.html

To: Capcom
We (The people that have signed this petition) feel very left out in your decision to make Devil May Cry 4 a Multi-Platform title, and hereby agree to boycott your sale of Capcom affiliated games. This is due to your decision to turn your back on your most faithful gaming company. For years we have enjoyed games, we have reaped the benefits of your committment to Sony. We find it absolutely demoralizing for not only the gamers, but also Sony itself. We want you to know that will not, and should not stand for your actions, and therefore withold our option of buying your product.

Sincerely,

It's serious mostly for the first 200 signatures or so but then NeoGAF'ers found out about it and the whole thing degraded to a few comedic lines that are few and far between.

I wonder what will happen of MGS4 or FFXIII ever go multi-platform.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » March 23, 2007, 11:11 am

Everything's going multi-platform. It's the only way to make the money back on your dev costs these days.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » March 23, 2007, 11:27 am

vn_Tanc wrote:Everything's going multi-platform. It's the only way to make the money back on your dev costs these days.

It sure doesn't seem to be an issue for Microsoft to get exclusive's. Maybe if Sony hadn't blown all their money on developing a failure of a console, they would have money left to throw around to get exclusives. And if they want to say that they don't want to pay for them - that is just one more thing they are gonna do to give MS the upper hand.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 23, 2007, 12:14 pm

Games exclusive to one console are lame anyway. I don't see how anyone can feel "left out" simply because the company is making a game for more than one platform.

Bunch of whiners.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 23, 2007, 12:56 pm

Sony needs exclusives because:

-the 360 is easier to program for and companies can get their games out faster with the same or better quality
-has better online support
-same level of performance for cheaper price tag

Given the choice, software companies would rather code for the 360. Don't take my word for it, ask Sparty. The added benefit to creating games for the already more developer friendly 360 is easily porting them to the largest gaming platform in the world (Windows) for additional revenue with minimum effort.

All Sony has going for it is people buying into some sort of myth that the same company will remain dominant in the console wars forever which is completely false.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » March 23, 2007, 4:38 pm

If any of the "MS Exclusives" beyond Gears and Halo stay that way i'll be very surprised. The VAST majority of exclusives are time-limited anyway. To make exclusives viable there has to be a massive up-front deal (like Gears) or the platform holder has to pay the developer the same amount of cash they would have earned from releasing the title. 1 or 2 "crown jewels" is all either of these companies is going to be able to hold onto.

Winnow just claimed the 360 and PS3 are equivalent in performance. ROFL. It may look that way now but it won't last. Believe me.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 23, 2007, 4:47 pm

vn_Tanc wrote: Winnow just claimed the 360 and PS3 are equivalent in performance. ROFL. It may look that way now but it won't last. Believe me.

When I see the PS3 put out something head and shoulders above the 360 I'll let you know! Right now, PS3 is still looking to catch up to the 360's flagship title Gears of War.

When FFXIII and MGS4 are eventually released many months from now, I'll be eager to see if they do something that isn't possible on the 360. (and that could have been completed in less time on the 360 to boot)

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » March 23, 2007, 5:05 pm

I can think of a few more Tanc,

Blue Dragon, Lost Oddyssey, Fable 2, Forza 2, Alan Wake, Bioshock, Shadowrun to name a few.

The only oe of those that I have my doubts will be good is Alan Wake but that's simply cause I haven't really looked into it or know wtf it's about.

I'm really envious of Heavenly Sword, Lair, FFXIII and White Knight Story on the PS3 however. Those look hawt.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 23, 2007, 10:21 pm

Gears of War looks great, but you are basically playing on a bitmap with the level of interactivity you get with the environment. It makes great looking screenshots and cutscenes, but the gameplay is stale as fuck. There's no physics model beyond ragdoll for corpses and the best level of interactivity with your environment is pressing buttons to open doors.

A game like Resistance looks similar but the gameplay and look and feel of a the maps is much more interesting to me. GoW is a good game, but the gameplay is basically a bunch of aliens running out of a door and you hide behind a chunk of concrete and shoot them until they are dead. I did that in kill.switch and Everything or Nothing.

When I play Resistance, I head into a room and like 50 fucking things come screeching out of holes in the ceilings and doors and out of cupboards and they are knocking desks and tables aside and you are spaying bullets everywhere and blowing off chunks of walls and shattering furniture and jumping around. The atmosphere is much more visceral and exciting.

There's a lot more to playing a game other than looking at pretty graphics. I really liked Gears of War, but to say it is great because it looks so amazing is stupid. And to compare it's looks to other games that are doing so much more than rendering a guy's face with 32 trillion polygons is beyond silly.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 23, 2007, 10:50 pm

Gears of Wars looks great but that's not why I played it from start to finish over the course of a weekend with a friend. It's because it was a hell of a lot of fun to play, especially in COOP on a split screen (or over live) when the levels take you in different directions yet you can see your COOP partner. You don't need the most advanced physics to have a great game. GoW combined extremely fun game play along with outstanding graphics.

The only knock on GoW is the length of it but the story was entertaining as well. It used the Unreal 3 Engine which Square Enix thinks enough of to dump the "White Engine" being used for FFXIII after that project is over in favor of the Unreal 3 so that's saying something right there about the physics we can expect from FFXIII....then again, as mentioned, you don't need the ultimate physics to produce a great game so it's up to some game developer to figure out how to program the cell processor...with Square Enix adopting Unreal 3, we know the engine they'll be working with which Epic Games has at least a year or more experience working with.

The PS3 has raw horsepower but utilizing textures, etc with less memory than the 360 presents a challenge as well as other things which give the advantage to one console or the other in different areas...if you want to fold for Stanford University, I highly recommend a PS3 though.

I just don't see PS3 developers producing a game that can't be done on the 360 for a long time, if ever, that will separate it from the 360 in a significant way.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 24, 2007, 12:29 am

Well, that's because you're a moron.

Heavenly Sword is far and away better looking than anything on 360. MGS4 could not be ported to 360 without gimping down the graphics. In fact the major drawback of companies making their games non-exclusive is the fact that they will develop for the lowest common denominator (piece of shit xbox 360 core w/ no hard drive) and will probably just slightly bump up texture resolution for ps3 version.

Xbox 360 is an Xbox with a slightly faster processor and a better graphics chip. It's a cheap PC in an asbestos box to keep out the incredible heat it generates. PS3 is a revolution in technology and the only thing keeping it back is the price and people's wal-mart mentality that cheaper = better value.

In 3 years no one will even know what an xbox 360 while microsoft furiously works on an upgrade, and PS3 will be heading into a renaissance of game design.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » March 24, 2007, 12:48 am

kyoukan wrote:Well, that's because you're a moron.

Heavenly Sword is far and away better looking than anything on 360. MGS4 could not be ported to 360 without gimping down the graphics. In fact the major drawback of companies making their games non-exclusive is the fact that they will develop for the lowest common denominator (piece of shit xbox 360 core w/ no hard drive) and will probably just slightly bump up texture resolution for ps3 version.

Xbox 360 is an Xbox with a slightly faster processor and a better graphics chip. It's a cheap PC in an asbestos box to keep out the incredible heat it generates. PS3 is a revolution in technology and the only thing keeping it back is the price and people's wal-mart mentality that cheaper = better value.

In 3 years no one will even know what an xbox 360 while microsoft furiously works on an upgrade, and PS3 will be heading into a renaissance of game design.

My God STFU

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 24, 2007, 1:47 am

kyoukan wrote:Heavenly Sword is far and away better looking than anything on 360. MGS4 could not be ported to 360 without gimping down the graphics. In fact the major drawback of companies making their games non-exclusive is the fact that they will develop for the lowest common denominator (piece of shit xbox 360 core w/ no hard drive) and will probably just slightly bump up texture resolution for ps3 version.

Doesn't look so spectacular to me:

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/700/700186/imgs_1.html

The clay hair is a step back from some of what Team Ninja has done. I could easily put up some GoW images and movies which match and surpass what I see there. If it's a fun game, great but graphically, it's nothing that can't be done on the 360. The gameplay in the videos doesn't look like anything to write home about.

BTW, Microsoft passed on Heavenly Sword:

http://gamevideos.com/video/id/9955

head about 3:40 minutes into the movie. Sounds like Kung Fu Chaos blew by the same developers as Heavenly Sword.

Nice, pimping Xbox 360 rejects as the "killer game" for the PS3.

As for MGS4 and the Xbox 360:

December 16, 2005 - In a recent Web interview with Hideo Kojima, the master of all things Metal Gear Solid explained that creating Metal Gear Solid 4 is technically possible on Xbox 360.

Kojima said with the exception of nuances or small details, the power of next generation hardware (and the PC) no longer provides the technical restrictions they did before. Kojima also explained in a sideways manner why the Xbox never saw a version of Metal Gear Solid Snake Eater. He explained that he has no grudge or dislike for the Xbox or Xbox 360, but last year he and his team had their hands full with MGS3. Other Konami teams, he said, were able to get their hands on the Xbox 360 tools before him. It's his philosophy that he wants to be first, not second on the early development for a system, which is why he chose PS3.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » March 24, 2007, 10:43 am

I just don't see PS3 developers producing a game that can't be done on the 360 for a long time, if ever, that will separate it from the 360 in a significant way.

Within 2 years you'll see stuff regularly on the PS3 that the 360 can't match. Of course you'll be here then arguing over the "significance" of these differences but we'll cope somehow.

In terms of raw shader throughput the machines are approximately equivalent but once coders get to grips with the complexity they'll able to make much more impressive use of that throughput, as well as burning power on non-graphics-related game elements. Remember I've heard MS's own people admitting that the 360's CPU isn't strong enough to compete with the PS3 over the mid- to long-term.

This isn't me dissing the 360 cos I'm a Sony fanboy either. I love my 360 and don't own a PS3 yet. But it's the way things are. So enjoy crowing while you can compare 1st gen games on PS3 with 2-years-maturity titles on 360, because that's the only reason the comparison is bearing up just now.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 24, 2007, 3:41 pm

but he's getting this information right from DEVELOPERS.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » March 24, 2007, 3:42 pm

kyoukan wrote:but he's getting this information right from DEVELOPERS.

And you pulling yours right from your ass.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 24, 2007, 3:56 pm

wow that was fast. from zero to complete trainwreck of a retard in under sixty seconds.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 24, 2007, 8:32 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:
This isn't me dissing the 360 cos I'm a Sony fanboy either. I love my 360 and don't own a PS3 yet. But it's the way things are. So enjoy crowing while you can compare 1st gen games on PS3 with 2-years-maturity titles on 360, because that's the only reason the comparison is bearing up just now.

You're talking three years after the 360's release. And first gen games will be out for the PS3 a year after it's released...what we're seeing aren't even that. FFXIII and MSG4 a year from now will be "first gen" and at least equal to the 360's current best although we'll have newer games on the 360 like Halo 3 to compare them with then. Who cares? Three years is a nice chunk of your life. If you need to switch by then, a 250.00 PS3 with rumble controller included won't be hard to swallow and an upgraded 360 would be much improved over the PS3 by that stage if released.

Live for the present. Microsoft has this figured out. They will switch to Blu Ray if needed (not a surprise as they already said they would if it won) and put out a new console if needed. Even a four year cycle would leave Sony with one year to have some games that were questionably better while Microsoft's hype machine pumps the next Xbox at the same time.

As of now (the present, not two years from now and three years after 360's release). A cheaper 360 has better current games and more games in the next year that are better than the more expensive PS3. Microsoft continues to focus on SDKs that make life easy for developers as well.

Why would you buy a PS3 now or in the next year? Your two games, FFXIII and MGS4 won't be out at least until then. Heavenly Sword is vastly overrated (and won't be out for many months anyway) but White Knight looks like it will be fun although not something that isn't capable of running on a 360 technically.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 24, 2007, 9:05 pm

Ive never seen anyone so insecure about a video game console. Maybe you can ask your parents for a PS3 for christmas and SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 24, 2007, 9:11 pm

I've never seen valid points bounce off of someone like they do with you. It's as if you're immune to common sense.

Why don't you go buy that rad quad core gaming machine...it would be like buying the PS3! No games take advantage of it...but man can it crank out the benchmarks! Oh, but they will in three years when the same machine costs 20% as much and all the other parts are improved as well!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 24, 2007, 10:26 pm

why don't you obsessively troll every ps3 thread with your asinine horse shit, stupid, uninformed commentary, moronic fan site links, unfunny jokes and lame ass insecurity?

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » March 24, 2007, 11:00 pm

kyoukan wrote:why don't you obsessively troll every ps3 thread with your asinine horse shit, stupid, uninformed commentary, moronic fan site links, unfunny jokes and lame ass insecurity?

Why don't you just put him on ignore and forget about him? Would it ruin your life that much to do so?