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Jice Virago wrote:Winnow, you are the new Searyx of VV.

Oh, and the new black Xbox is actually more expensive than the fucking PS3 and still manages to not have integrated wireless?
If price conversion is accurate:

Black 120GB 360: $584
PS3: 60GB $599

If you can get half of the people in a poll to agree that I'm the new Searyx of VV and that they want me gone, I'll leave. I wouldn't want to stick around if the majority actually thought that but otherwise I'm not too concerned with others opinions of me.
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Winnow is not the new Searyx.

Wireless is not a big concern of mine, so

360 is still > PS3.

Carry on.
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Square Enix...

Everyone's looking forward to Final Fantasy XIII as am I but check out the response to the last question in this interview of Hiromichi Tanaka while discussing Final Fantasy III on the DS:
Pro-G: So what are you working on now? Any plans for the future?

HT: I'm still working on XI as it's on-going but we are also working on a next-generation MMORPG for 360 and Vista but PS3 is a possibility.
Woo woo. Looks like Square Enix might be focused on the 360/Vista combo or at least giving them equal time to the PS3. I'm not too excited about Square's Space Shooter coming to the 360 but this news sounds a little more promising.

http://www.pro-g.co.uk/ds/final_fantasy ... w-324.html
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FUCK OFF YOU STUPID TROLL

Even a fucking admin telling you to take your fantard bullshit someplace else doesn't even fucking faze you. Are you that fucking obtuse?
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kyoukan wrote:FUCK OFF YOU STUPID TROLL

Even a fucking admin telling you to take your fantard bullshit someplace else doesn't even fucking faze you. Are you that fucking obtuse?


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Hey man, Jice bitches about RPGs on the 360 and I respond with some news. The article does say "possibly" for the PS3 too! So far the PS3 has...let me see...carry the zero...add a zero...ZERO rpgs. God's gift to Japanese RPGs is now making a new MMORPG for 360 and Vista while switching to the Unreal Engine 3 after FFXIII comes out next year. Go ahead and mod the fucking replies that directly address the conversation going on in the thread. What a bunch if wuss bags.

Don't mind me...just providing a little worthwhile actual news instead of the same old fucking flames out of you people. If it's annoying you it's on purpose because I can't fucking stand you.

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I have all 3 systems and each one has their pluses and minuses.

I love the Live Function and the Sports games on the 360, But the Driving games on the Playstation are second to none, And the Wii is a refreshing change from both.
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Winnow wrote:Hey man, Jice bitches about RPGs on the 360 and I respond with some news. The article does say "possibly" for the PS3 too! So far the PS3 has...let me see...carry the zero...add a zero...ZERO rpgs. God's gift to Japanese RPGs is now making a new MMORPG for 360 and Vista while switching to the Unreal Engine 3 after FFXIII comes out next year. Go ahead and mod the fucking replies that directly address the conversation going on in the thread. What a bunch if wuss bags.

Don't mind me...just providing a little worthwhile actual news instead of the same old fucking flames out of you people. If it's annoying you it's on purpose because I can't fucking stand you.

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Isn't Enchanted Arms out for the PS3? I enjoyed playing through that one.
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Cartalas wrote:I have all 3 systems and each one has their pluses and minuses.

I love the Live Function and the Sports games on the 360, But the Driving games on the Playstation are second to none, And the Wii is a refreshing change from both.
With you being a fan of Playstation 2 driving games, is the lack of rumble an issue or does the feedback not really matter much? I'm not a huge fan of rumble but I do notice it and leave it turned on. It may be one of those things that's nice if you have it but don't notice if it's not there. The reason I ask is because the most complaints about lack of rumble with the PS3 is for driving games.
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Winnow wrote:
Cartalas wrote:I have all 3 systems and each one has their pluses and minuses.

I love the Live Function and the Sports games on the 360, But the Driving games on the Playstation are second to none, And the Wii is a refreshing change from both.
With you being a fan of Playstation 2 driving games, is the lack of rumble an issue or does the feedback not really matter much? I'm not a huge fan of rumble but I do notice it and leave it turned on. It may be one of those things that's nice if you have it but don't notice if it's not there. The reason I ask is because the most complaints about lack of rumble with the PS3 is for driving games.
Whats funny is I didnt relize Rumble was missing until you posted this and I sat here and thought about it.

So that in itself should answer your question.
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Cartalas wrote:
Winnow wrote:
Cartalas wrote:I have all 3 systems and each one has their pluses and minuses.

I love the Live Function and the Sports games on the 360, But the Driving games on the Playstation are second to none, And the Wii is a refreshing change from both.
With you being a fan of Playstation 2 driving games, is the lack of rumble an issue or does the feedback not really matter much? I'm not a huge fan of rumble but I do notice it and leave it turned on. It may be one of those things that's nice if you have it but don't notice if it's not there. The reason I ask is because the most complaints about lack of rumble with the PS3 is for driving games.
Whats funny is I didnt relize Rumble was missing until you posted this and I sat here and thought about it.

So that in itself should answer your question.
The sixaxis might do some fun things for racing games down the line as well.

I'm looking forward to Forza 2 myself.
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I am not a big fan of racing games, but the Motorstorm Demo blows me away and I intend to get it. The GT game isn't really my bag, but visually its the most amazing thing I have ever seen on a console. Short of it, is I agree with Cartalas.

As far as rumble goes, it never really struck me as more than a gimick anyhow and given that the contoller is the lightest one I have ever used since the Super Nintendo, I don't really miss it. I view the 6 axis thing as a wii mote style gimick though, ie could be cool if they don't overuse it.
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I can't say I'll miss rumble if I get a PS3. I mean, it's nice and all, and I don't really get why they don't have it, but it's certainly no deal-breaker. Few games ever did it right anyway.
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Niffoni wrote:I can't say I'll miss rumble if I get a PS3. I mean, it's nice and all, and I don't really get why they don't have it, but it's certainly no deal-breaker. Few games ever did it right anyway.
Well the 'official' answer: It would cost too much to add.
PS3 rumble would have been too expensive

The new PlayStation 3 controller does not include rumble because the cost would be so prohibitive, it would be a “huge disservice” to gamers, says Sony President Kaz Hirai. He is confident that it’s better to offer consumers motion sensing instead of a vibration feature.

“We felt that ultimately, the vibration feature, which is a feedback feature, as compared to the motion sensing which is an input functionality… when you compare the two, we decided that the input device is a lot more important that feedback, and that has been a strategic decision that we’ve made,” explained Hirai.

Avoiding the lawsuit won by Immersion over the very technology Sony is now rejecting, Kaz insisted that it cost was also a major factor in the decision.

“The issue is trying to isolate the vibration feature from the motion sensors. Is it technically feasible? Absolutely. But the balancing act that you need to do, is to be able to present the controller to the consumer at an affordable price. We have one controller in the box, but many consumers will want to go out and get an extra controller. To isolate the vibration from the sensing, if that means that the controllers are going to be so expensive, then we’re doing the consumer a huge disservice.”
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EA must have gotten their initial next gen advice from kyoukan. If EA ends up crumbling because of their faith in the can do no wrong Sony gods, all the better.
EA Revisited: Playing Catch Up on the Wii, Waking up to the Failure that is PS3

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This is a thread Information Arbitrage (IA) has been actively tracking for the past three months. It has been fascinating to see the process of EA's coming to the realization that they got their bets dead wrong, and to see how they've adjusted strategy in the wake of new information (read: a Wii home-run and a PS3 disappointment).
Evidence abounds that regardless of EA and Sony's contentions, that PS3 is available in abundance while the Wii continues to be in short supply. Further, word on the Internet is that Sony is under pressure to lower prices given slack demand, arising from competition on the low end from Nintendo and on the high end from Microsoft. Neither of these trends bode particularly well for our friends at EA.
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From THE OFFICIAL XBOX MAGAZINE

"There is no question that Microsoft has had, to borrow a phrase from Peter Moore, a "solid, if not spectacular first year in the market. But based on the November 2006 hardware sales data, it seemed like many mainstream consumers were not ready to move to the next generation no matter their system preference...US sales of Xbox 360's in November were 511,000. That's more then double October sales numbers, but then again MOST games systems double their sales between those months. in Fact this year all systems doubled their sales during this time. One would think that with Gears of War, many people's 2006 game of the year out, combined with the "rain check" factor (i.e. Not being able to get a PS3 or Wii) would have propelled the 360 to even greater heights."

They go on to point out that while xbox360 sold about 51% of the christmas market share of next gen consoles (thanks to a lack of the available PS3's and Wii's) they were trounced by the Nintendo DS which sold 1.6 million hand helds and the PS2 still outsold the Xbox360 by 300,000 units.

Even they point out that despite a generally poorly launched debut, the console wars are just starting and we won't know anything for at least another year.

I have a 360 Winnow, I enjoy it, but my god, does the world end if someone likes their PS3? Why do you have to only like one? Playing games is not marriage, you are not tied to one system. Have you ever considered that all 3 are fun systems that people can enjoy?
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You can pretty much tell by the fact he never buys anything that he can only afford one system. He has to convince himself that it is the only one worth owning by incessantly trolling about it.
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Tyek wrote: I have a 360 Winnow, I enjoy it, but my god, does the world end if someone likes their PS3? Why do you have to only like one? Playing games is not marriage, you are not tied to one system. Have you ever considered that all 3 are fun systems that people can enjoy?
I'm not necessarily pro 360 and would (and will) pick up a PS3 when FFXIII is released unless by some miracle it's offered on the 360 by 2008 when it comes out for the PS3. I understand the Wii is quite fun as will be the PS3 down the road in a year or so after the developers have figured it out. It's a matter of pointing out that the PS3 is not the best platform by default as was proposed simply because the PS2 was the king of the previous generation and also the RPG stereotyping between Playstation and Xbox isn't as defined this round. I'm finishing up a debate that started awhile back...should be done in a year or so. If you read the sports forum, you'll know that I can happily post without worrying if someone is going to respond or even care...crazy like that! The news I've been posting is noteworthy though and not entirely useless for readers curious about goings on in the console world.

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Winnow wrote:
Tyek wrote: I have a 360 Winnow, I enjoy it, but my god, does the world end if someone likes their PS3? Why do you have to only like one? Playing games is not marriage, you are not tied to one system. Have you ever considered that all 3 are fun systems that people can enjoy?
I'm not necessarily pro 360 and would (and will) pick up a PS3 when FFXIII is released unless by some miracle it's offered on the 360 by 2008 when it comes out for the PS3. I understand the Wii is quite fun as will be the PS3 down the road in a year or so after the developers have figured it out. It's a matter of pointing out that the PS3 is not the best platform by default as was proposed simply because the PS2 was the king of the previous generation and also the RPG stereotyping between Playstation and Xbox isn't as defined this round. I'm finishing up a debate that started awhile back...should be done in a year or so. If you read the sports forum, you'll know that I can happily post without worrying if someone is going to respond or even care...crazy like that! The news I've been posting is noteworthy though and not entirely useless for readers curious about goings on in the console world.

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Winnow wrote:simply because the PS2 was the king of the previous generation
Isn't the PS2 still the king of this generation as well in terms of sales?
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Fairweather Pure wrote:
Winnow wrote:simply because the PS2 was the king of the previous generation
Isn't the PS2 still the king of this generation as well in terms of sales?
Consoles don't suddenly take over the lead spot when they are released...although, if the PS3 was $300.00 or less, and was released back in 2005 when the 360 was, that may have happened.

Price always will be a factor.

Pricing (for best models)

PS2 129.00
Wii 249.00 (1.6 X PS2 price)
360 399.00 (3.09 X PS2 price)
PS3 599.00 (4.64 X PS2 price)

If you don't think price is an issue, make the Wii $599.00 and check sales. It would still be outselling the PS3 but not by the same margin. The 360 and Wii are in the best position to drop their console prices soon. While the PS3 has plenty more issues than just price, that's the main factor.
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Japan Hardware Sales 29th Jan - 4th Feb

- DS Lite: 146,073
- Wii: 65,740
- PSP: 31,216
- PS2: 18,727
- PS3: 17,540
- Xbox 360: 6,130
- Game Boy Micro: 1,050
- GBA SP: 724
- Gamecube: 306
- DS Phat: 119
- GBA: 28


Sony needs to do something. Beat by the PS2 second week in a row! The PS3 numbers are rather pitiful. Although not quite as so as the 360. But this is Japan we're talking about... They seem to love their Nintendos.
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Clueless Sony Execs:
Electronic Gaming Monthly, in an interview with Sony's Jack Tretton in early January, mentioned the recent availability of his company's console: "...it seemed like about 50 percent of the people in line were there to make a quick buck on eBay. And now we're seeing a lot more units on store shelves." Jack seemed a tad surprised by this, but he put his money where his mouth is: "If you can find a PS3 anywhere in North America that's been on shelves for more than five minutes, I'll give you 1,200 bucks for it. I can get any retail buyer on the phone with you and get them to verify that there's not a single retail location in America where there's a PlayStation 3 on the shelf for sale. They've all been sold in a matter of minutes." After EGM let Tretton know they had indeed phoned 18 stores and found half of them had PS3s in stock, some stores with as many as 20 consoles, Jack held firm "if only nine of the 18 stores you contacted had supplies, that seems to be a clear indication that sales continue to be outstanding."
I wonder if he paid up.
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Winnow wrote:Clueless Sony Execs:
Electronic Gaming Monthly, in an interview with Sony's Jack Tretton in early January, mentioned the recent availability of his company's console: "...it seemed like about 50 percent of the people in line were there to make a quick buck on eBay. And now we're seeing a lot more units on store shelves." Jack seemed a tad surprised by this, but he put his money where his mouth is: "If you can find a PS3 anywhere in North America that's been on shelves for more than five minutes, I'll give you 1,200 bucks for it. I can get any retail buyer on the phone with you and get them to verify that there's not a single retail location in America where there's a PlayStation 3 on the shelf for sale. They've all been sold in a matter of minutes." After EGM let Tretton know they had indeed phoned 18 stores and found half of them had PS3s in stock, some stores with as many as 20 consoles, Jack held firm "if only nine of the 18 stores you contacted had supplies, that seems to be a clear indication that sales continue to be outstanding."
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Aslanna wrote:
Japan Hardware Sales 29th Jan - 4th Feb

- DS Lite: 146,073
- Wii: 65,740
- PSP: 31,216
- PS2: 18,727
- PS3: 17,540
- Xbox 360: 6,130
- Game Boy Micro: 1,050
- GBA SP: 724
- Gamecube: 306
- DS Phat: 119
- GBA: 28


Sony needs to do something. Beat by the PS2 second week in a row! The PS3 numbers are rather pitiful. Although not quite as so as the 360. But this is Japan we're talking about... They seem to love their Nintendos.
Not worthwhile to compare $600 gaming system sales to $200 or less gaming systems. Lot more people can afford $130 than can afford $600. Should have two different lists!
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It's simply a list of hardware sales for a particular week. Price has nothing to do with it. People are free to put their own meaning into it if they wish.
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Arborealus wrote:
Winnow wrote:Clueless Sony Execs:
Electronic Gaming Monthly, in an interview with Sony's Jack Tretton in early January, mentioned the recent availability of his company's console: "...it seemed like about 50 percent of the people in line were there to make a quick buck on eBay. And now we're seeing a lot more units on store shelves." Jack seemed a tad surprised by this, but he put his money where his mouth is: "If you can find a PS3 anywhere in North America that's been on shelves for more than five minutes, I'll give you 1,200 bucks for it. I can get any retail buyer on the phone with you and get them to verify that there's not a single retail location in America where there's a PlayStation 3 on the shelf for sale. They've all been sold in a matter of minutes." After EGM let Tretton know they had indeed phoned 18 stores and found half of them had PS3s in stock, some stores with as many as 20 consoles, Jack held firm "if only nine of the 18 stores you contacted had supplies, that seems to be a clear indication that sales continue to be outstanding."
I wonder if he paid up.
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miir wrote: When he made that statement.... a little over a month ago, it was probably pretty accurate.
Guess you didn't take the time to even read the quoted text in front of your face.
EGM let Tretton know they had indeed phoned 18 stores and found half of them had PS3s in stock, some stores with as many as 20 consoles
Or are too stupid to go back on this very same thread to view posts dated a month ago stating that there were PS3's in stores.
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Why would someone quit such a great job?
UK Head of PS3 Sales Quits

Sony Computer Entertainment UK's head of sales quit today, just five weeks before the PS3 is set to storm stories there, MCV is reporting.

Kevin Jowett took over as sales director in 1998 to oversee stock allocations for the PS2, PSP and, most recently, the PS3.

MCV is reporting that Jowett resigned to "pursue new opportunities outside of the games industry and has left the company immediately, due to confidentiality issues."

That can't be good for the PS3's launch in the UK. I'm not saying it means there are problems, I'm saying it means this is going to create problems for the launch. MCV reports that Jowett left in the middle of organizing pre-orders and in-store marketing campaigns. Brian Crecente
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Winnow wrote:Why would someone quit such a great job?
UK Head of PS3 Sales Quits

Sony Computer Entertainment UK's head of sales quit today, just five weeks before the PS3 is set to storm stories there, MCV is reporting.

Kevin Jowett took over as sales director in 1998 to oversee stock allocations for the PS2, PSP and, most recently, the PS3.

MCV is reporting that Jowett resigned to "pursue new opportunities outside of the games industry and has left the company immediately, due to confidentiality issues."

That can't be good for the PS3's launch in the UK. I'm not saying it means there are problems, I'm saying it means this is going to create problems for the launch. MCV reports that Jowett left in the middle of organizing pre-orders and in-store marketing campaigns. Brian Crecente
It's usually done because of a better opportunity. go figure
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Chidoro wrote:
It's usually done because of a better opportunity. go figure
Better than working for Sony and the PS3 juggernaut? I thought they could sell farts sealed in jars and still not be able to keep up with demand. I find this hard to believe!


This Sega dude seems to think rumble is at least better than six axis:
Sixaxis tilt control 'rubbish' says Sega man

From computerandvideogames.com:

There have been loads of grumbles and gripes about Sixaxis - the motion-sensing thing is a bit gimmicky, Wii does it better and that the rumble is hugely missed.

But it's not just gamers that think this - one of Sega's top development men has broken rank to offer his thoughts.

"Tilt control's not difficult to do," says Guy Wilday, head of Sega Racing Studio, on the possibility of tilty-pad gameplay being included in their new version of Sega Rally for PS3. "Fundamentally, though, the whole tilt control thing is rubbish. It's no compensation for rumble."
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I've never seen anyone so insecure. Especially about a fucking video game console. Your childhood must have been just one atrocious failure after another.
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miir wrote: When he made that statement.... a little over a month ago, it was probably pretty accurate.
Guess you didn't take the time to even read the quoted text in front of your face.
EGM let Tretton know they had indeed phoned 18 stores and found half of them had PS3s in stock, some stores with as many as 20 consoles
Or are too stupid to go back on this very same thread to view posts dated a month ago stating that there were PS3's in stores.
Well, in early january, there were some retailers getting PS3s in stock. Mainly smaller establishments. All of the major stores here were sold out... when they did get any in stock, they literally flew off the shelves.

In that respect, his comments were fairly accurate.

Even now, many retailers are continually selling out of PS3s. It's not impossible to find one, but you might have to check a few different places.

My comment was directed towards the penny arcade morons going out in mid febuary... nearly a month and a half after the comment was made and finding PS3s.
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miir wrote:
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miir wrote: When he made that statement.... a little over a month ago, it was probably pretty accurate.
Guess you didn't take the time to even read the quoted text in front of your face.
EGM let Tretton know they had indeed phoned 18 stores and found half of them had PS3s in stock, some stores with as many as 20 consoles
Or are too stupid to go back on this very same thread to view posts dated a month ago stating that there were PS3's in stores.
Well, in early january, there were some retailers getting PS3s in stock. Mainly smaller establishments. All of the major stores here were sold out... when they did get any in stock, they literally flew off the shelves.

In that respect, his comments were fairly accurate.

Even now, many retailers are continually selling out of PS3s. It's not impossible to find one, but you might have to check a few different places.

My comment was directed towards the penny arcade morons going out in mid febuary... nearly a month and a half after the comment was made and finding PS3s.
Considering the comment that Tretton made in January was only published in the March issue of EGM, first available in mid-February, then that specific Sony soundbyte was new to everyone and the net jumped on it like on every bit of bad Sony PR that's come out in the last year.
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That "sega dude" is a jumped-up ex-Codemasters gobshite. He rode the Colin MacRae license for years then jumped ship to help run Sega's UK racing studio. Into the ground, if the rumours I hear are correct.

Racing game developers are always going to prefer rumble to tilt. Unless they make mountain bike games.
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I guess that Best Buy counts as small retailers? The PS3 systems were on the shelf throughout the Christmas holiday. An employee I spoke with had been watching one particular box that several people had picked up and appeared to think about buying, but they put it back on the shelf everytime. The employee had been there 5 hours watching this as he worked the register. This is not to say that they did not sell at all, but there were systems on the shelf that were not being purchased.
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Boogahz wrote:I guess that Best Buy counts as small retailers? The PS3 systems were on the shelf throughout the Christmas holiday. An employee I spoke with had been watching one particular box that several people had picked up and appeared to think about buying, but they put it back on the shelf everytime. The employee had been there 5 hours watching this as he worked the register. This is not to say that they did not sell at all, but there were systems on the shelf that were not being purchased.
Was the exact same scenario here around christmas time and all the way through January when I was hunting for my Wii. I saw them rotting on the shelves in target, best buy, circuit city, electronics boutique, gamestop, walmart, kmart..

You know what really cracks me up now is the gamestop by my house answers the phone "thank you for calling gamestop where you can save $100 on a PS3".. And they roll their eyes every time because the ones on the shelf there literally have dust on them.
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miir wrote:Even now, many retailers are continually selling out of PS3s. It's not impossible to find one, but you might have to check a few different places.
I'm seriously doubting that's the case at 'many retailers' at this time.
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You are absolutely correct Aslanna, at least in the entire state of Minnesota its not the case.
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6-axis and the Wii mote are both gimmicks, but I can say from experience that the sony controller is a lot more precise than the Wii-mote, in terms of fine control. That may not be a big deal for the mouth breather masses who play things like Exite Truck and laugh like special olympiads as they slide all over the fucking place, but if it is going to be used in any flight simish game, it will make a difference.

That said, I care about as much about tilt access controls as I do about rumble, ie not at all. Both can be accomplished through simplified means on the controllers. The only control gimmick I have EVER liked was force feedback, but thats too pricey for console gaming.
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I could care less about an executive moving on to greener pastures. I am more interested in news like this:
Sony May Halt Future 'Cell' Development For PS3
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TOKYO (Reuters) - Sony Corp. will cut back on future chip spending and may not produce advanced "cell" microchips used in its PlayStation 3 (PS3) game gear in-house as it seeks better returns on its investments, a senior executive said on Tuesday.

Improving profitability in its chip division is important for the Tokyo-based electronics and entertainment conglomerate, which aims to hit an operating margin of 5 percent in the business year from April, up from an estimated 0.7 percent in the year to March.

Sony Executive Deputy President Yutaka Nakagawa told reporters that investment in chips would come down significantly from the 460 billion yen ($3.8 billion) allocated over the three business years since April 2004.

"We tentatively plan to start commercial production of 45-nanometre chips in late 2008 or early 2009. We are going to study carefully whether we should carry out all the capital investment and produce them in-house," Nakagawa said.

Sony is already producing these chips using 90- and 65-nanometre circuitry. A nanometre is one billionth of a meter.

Narrower circuitry makes the size of a chip smaller and helps manufacturers cut per-chip production costs. But chip makers are saddled with increasingly heavy initial investments as costs for chip-making equipment balloon.

"When we first offered the PS2, there were no semiconductor companies that were able to make chips for the machine, so we did it ourselves. But now, there are companies that specialize in chip production," Nakagawa said.

Such chip makers include Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. Ltd. (TSMC) and United Microelectronics Corp. (UMC), the world's largest and second-largest contract chip makers.

"They are aggressively investing in cutting-edge technology. Our basic understanding is that we probably won't need to do everything by ourselves for next-generation chips."

Revenue at Sony's chip operations is expected to grow 57 percent to 770 billion yen this business year to March, accounting for 9.4 percent of its estimated group sales, although part of its chip sales are made through in-house transactions.

Chip sales have been driven by brisk demand for microchips used in its game machines as well as in digital cameras, Nakagawa said.

Prior to the announcement, shares in Sony closed up 0.2 percent at 6,000 yen, outperforming the Tokyo stock market's electrical machinery index), which lost 0.34 percent.

Outsourcing the production could help their numbers and get the chips more available for future production uses as well!

Not all Sony information is negative :)
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Jice Virago wrote:6-axis and the Wii mote are both gimmicks, but I can say from experience that the sony controller is a lot more precise than the Wii-mote, in terms of fine control
Ya know I'd be very surprised if the resolution is any different between the two. In fact I'm going to look it up in the SDK docs now you have piqued my curiosity!

You do, however, get occasional frames of bad data from the wii remote and if your coders are too lazy to compensate for it (and hopefully Nintendo will fix it at the driver level one day) you can get strange, twitchy behaviour when attempting fine control.
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If yuo're a european or someone from the US/Japan who wqs holding off on a PS3, get one NOW... or else you might not get that much use out of that collection of PS/PS2 games you own.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/pal-ps3-b ... 239076.php

Seems like Sony has started pulling out the chips for EE+GS chip from the PS3 favoring instead the software method that has worked so well for Microsoft and the 360.

If you're a huge fan of backwards compatibility and want almost all your titles to work, I would go out and pick up a PS3 now cause this hardware revision is probably coming to the US sooner than later.
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A sympathetic songwriter sings about the PS3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R98qC0fd_1w
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Another "How Sony killed the PS3" Article. It's primarily centered around Sony's decision to screw up their backwards compatibility but the author hits a little on everything. Fully quoted below.

http://www.playfuls.com/news_06339_How_ ... urope.html
Almost everybody in the media inside and outside Europe slammed Sony’s decision to change the hardware configuration of PS3 for PAL areas, considering it a state-of-the-art PR disaster. But I would call it simply a management disaster.

Those guys at the PR department are not guilty for others’ blunders, on the contrary, they are the ones that try to cover the mess as deftly as they can. The real problem is Sony’s top management, who seems to consider that the company’s resources are limitless and that they are the smartest people on Earth.

A short history of Sony’s failures with the PS3 shows that the PR did the best, while the ones in charge with the production and design did the worst possible. I will not go over them again in this article, but if you are interested in the subject try this.

I will mention though the latest blunder that Sony committed with PS3, concerning the backwards compatibility of PS2 games with PS3 hardware. Sony transformed this famous compatibility in early stages of development into one of the key features for its product, triumphantly declaring that the HD experience of PS2 games played on PS3 will likely increase the level of satisfaction for hard-core gamers.

For that they’ve included in PS3s launched in Japan and the US the Emotion Engine, the heart of every PS2 console sold out there. And that is a hardware component. It is important to underline the difference here, because according to Sony’s latest announcement the PAL areas will have software emulation for PS2 games played on PS3, and so the backwards compatibility will be limited to only a few titles at launch. They did not mention what titles will be supported at PS3’s debut in PAL areas, but they specified the fact that "some additional PS2 titles will become compatible on the PS3 system through regular downloadable firmware updates, which will be made available through the PLAYSTATION Network or via PS3 game discs, with the first update planned for the launch date of the 23rd March 2007. “

I personally cannot think of something good when I hear Sony’s spokesperson saying “the backwards compatibility is not going to be as good as the US and Japan models."

The reason for this hardware modification is of course the cost-saving policy adopted a bit too late. Sony is known to lose a lot of money with every PlayStation 3. The combined materials and manufacturing cost of the PlayStation 3 is $805.85 for the model equipped with a 20Gbyte Hard Disk Drive (HDD), and $840.35 for the 60Gbyte HDD version. This total doesn't include additional costs for elements including the controller, cables and packaging. At these costs, Sony is taking a considerable loss on each PlayStation 3 sold. Materials and manufacturing costs for the 20Gbyte model exceed the suggested retail price of $499 by a total of $306.85. For the 60Gbyte version, costs exceed the $599 price by $241.35. With Sony taking a smaller loss on the higher-end model, it's not a surprise the company is steering customers to the 60Gbyte version.

In contrast, the HDD-equipped Xbox 360 has a manufacturing and materials total of $323.30, based on an updated estimate using costs in the fourth quarter of 2006. This total is $75.70 less than the $399 suggested retail price of the Xbox 360.

What Sony decided to cut from PS3 in order to cut overall costs is exactly the Emotion Engine that ensures the backwards compatibility. It is built by Toshiba, Sony, and IBM and is said to be two times faster than a 733 MHz Pentium III, giving Toshiba control over 11 percent of the total PlayStation 3 materials and manufacturing costs. With its removal from the PS3, Sony will apparently save around $27 with every manufactured console.

SCEE president David Reeves said that: "PS3 is first and foremost a system that excels in playing games specifically designed to exploit the power and potential of the PS3 system. Games designed for PS3 offer incredible graphics quality, stunning gameplay and massively improved audio and video fidelity that is simply not achievable with PS and PS2 games. Rather than concentrate on PS2 backwards compatibility, in the future, company resources will be increasingly focused on developing new games and entertainment features exclusively for PS3, truly taking advantage of this exciting technology."

And now, the bomb: it seems that Sony’s move in Europe and other PAL areas like Australia, New Zealand or Asia will soon be followed by similar moves in NTSC areas like the US or Japan, following the same cost-saving policy. So bye-bye real backwards compatibility. Everywhere.

One could say: hey, they promised the software emulation didn’t they? Yes, that is significant, but it helps neither Sony, nor gamers. First of all, the same software emulation technique was implemented by Microsoft in its Xbox 360, with rather unfortunate results. In the end, it has been abandoned, since producers re-oriented towards the next-gen and the exclusive Xbox 360-software package reached a higher level of attractiveness.

Why shouldn’t we expect the same thing with PS3? What guarantees can Sony offer (after all the scandals that have plagued PS3 since its launch) that PS2 games will run without any glitch on PS3’s advanced hardware using software emulation instead of Emotion Engine?

Think of this almost hilarious aspect: the Cell CPU, which is the core of every PS3, is so the Cell CPU, which is the core of every PS3, is so complicated that High Moon Studios has invited IBM engineers and a handful of other Vivendi Games studios, such as Swordfish and Radical Entertainment, to a workshop that aims to teach developers how to effectively harness the power of the Cell. "We've been talking to Sony for almost two years now, but they didn't create the Cell," High Moon Chief Technical Officer Clinton Keith claims. "They created the architecture for the PS3 and they've created a lot of the developer libraries. We’ve had access to those [Sony] engineers... but they’re not the hardware engineers.”

So again, what guarantees do I have that PS3 will run PS2 games fine, if even the developers are confused and overwhelmed? And remember: backwards compatibility was one of the most enticing traits when pre-orders for PS3 began in Europe and in other PAL areas. A Geekzone.com visitor had this to say about the Sony topic: “One of (the many) reasons I was interested in a PS3 was backward compatibility. Why should I pay full price for a system that won't support my old games? This new PS3 system is different from what Sony has been advertising. In my opinion this is a PR disaster for the PS3 and I am seriously considering not buying one now…”

The problem with the PS2 games on PS3 is not only about the compatibility, it’s also about the price of the console. If Sony is indeed considering outsourcing the production of the Cell CPU and if they remove the Emotion Engine, that should immediately be translated into a price-cut for the next-gen console. But IT WON’T HAPPEN. Not in the next two years, that is. Sony is interested in covering its losses, and keeping the price at its current level is a logical decision (did Xbox 360 get a price cut until now? No…).

Although PS3 costs are compensated by PS2 and PSP sales and Sony’s core electronics Business, it is still hard to deal with them, and a future revision of hardware for NTSC areas is quite possible, lowering even more the interest gamers have for Sony’s product.

The compatibility issue has more implications than Sony says: the games exclusively built for PS3 right now are considered by many as lame. For example, Times Magazine declared the PS3 in December 2006 as one of the top 5 products that didn’t live up to the hype around them last year, and the games were an important factor in that choice. So now Sony strips its console off one of its last attractive features: playing PS games on PS3, at higher resolutions. What Sony officials need to understand is that it’s the games that are the most important factor in a console’s success. If I want to buy an Xbox 360, I want to do that because I get to play Gears of War, Halo 3 or Lost Planet. If I acquire a Wii I do that because of Zelda. The PS3 can only be bought at this moment because it’s a cheap Blu Ray player, and because you can enjoy some fine PS2 games on it. If you cannot even play those games at higher definition, you're only stuck with a cheap Blu Ray player.

And what’s worse is that game developers are heading towards Wii and Xbox 360, rather than the PS3, with Valve’s Gabe Newell calling Sony’s console ”a total disaster”. From all next-gen consoles, programming for the Cell CPU is the most difficult and even at PS3’s launch in November Sony did not have enough developer-kits. It’s also a lot more expensive for game-developers to build games for PS3, which translates into higher prices for PS3 games. Stokky, a colleague of mine here, informed me that the recommended retail price for each of Sony's five disc-based launch games will be around €59.99 (£39.99, AUD 99.95, NZ 109.95), while the downloadable games will cost between €2.99 to €9.99, depending on the specific title (and apparently only "for an introductory period").

Moreover, the list of compatible games has not yet been published, so Europeans will have to blindly buy the console, not knowing what exactly they are buying it for: will God of War 1 be compatible or not? They will only find out when it comes out on March 23, which is another reason for them to sit back and wait until something certain and enticing appears about PS3.

All in all, one could say about PlayStation 3 now that it’s expensive (especially in PAL territories), it’s hard to program for, it has expensive and rather lame games, it severely discriminates gamers and doesn’t fulfill their expectations concerning key features. Perspectives are also bad. That is a deadly combination in gamers’ world. So why would they buy a PS3?

The facts show that Sony did not revolutionize gaming with its product, it only brought losses to the company and disappointment to its fans. I personally confess that I love them for the PSP, but I hate’em for the PS3.

Kaz Hirai, Ken Kutaragi, please, in the name of reason, spare your PR department the troubles they get daily and resign!
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Wow another amazing article by some moronic fantard from his mom's basement. That's great Winnow! Thanks for another amazing contribution to this troll infested shitfest of a thread.
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kyoukan wrote:Wow another amazing article by some moronic fantard from his mom's basement. That's great Winnow! Thanks for another amazing contribution to this troll infested shitfest of a thread.
Oh you didnt make it that bad.
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LOL! ZING!

Now that Cart's here, could this thread get any more gay?
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