Zito

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » December 28, 2006, 3:32 pm

That changes the NL west abit now doesn't it

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » December 28, 2006, 4:00 pm

Pherr the Dorf wrote:That changes the NL west abit now doesn't it

It will give them about 6 more wins still 5.5 shy of SD and LA

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » December 28, 2006, 4:25 pm

What did LA really do other than get a ton older?

Juan Pierre is nice, but dave roberts does me just fine in center and will provide solid leadoff.
Lieberthall... he's a backup
Gonzales... you must be kidding, he has been nothing since steroid testing.
Randy Wood... 8 million for a career 4.21 era pitcher who has a 5.5 last year?
Schmidt... paid 16 million (zito 18 mill) a year for a pitcher who also has not been the same since testing, lost 5-6 off his fastball... is 33 already (zito 28 ), huge edge to the Giants there.

Giants on the other hand...

Zito... most sought after pitcher in awhile, locked up now basically for his career.
Molina... huge signing and largely unnoticed, this will provide insane dividends if he stays healthy.
Aurilia and Klesko, platoon guys but depth in bench is nice to have
Roberts... huge...first real leadoff hitter since... I dunno... feels like forever.

Which team got better?

I won't even bother with the Pads, they lost so much and added what... Giles and Maddux... pahhhlease

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 28, 2006, 10:36 pm

Pherr the Dorf wrote:What did LA really do other than get a ton older?

Your kidding right? What exactly is LA supposed to do? They have Ethier, Loney, Martin, Kemp and a ton of other TOP prospects. Gonzo is old and will never hit a ton of HR in LA but what he has always had is gap power....52 2b's last year. Also, sure Piere only led the league in hits and his speed with Furcal and a few other players will probably see 2 guys with 30+ SB and maybe 1-2 20+ guys. The Dodgers will not win with power, but many generated runs with solid hitting and a lot of speed. Lets move to Schmidt VS Zito, lets just look at last year for example.....

Schmidt in 2006 (11-9):

213.1 IP, 3.59 ERA, .238 BAA, 180 SO, 80 BB, 1.26 WHIP

Zito in 2006:

221 IP, 3.83 ERA, .257 BAA, 151 SO, 99 BB, 1.40 WHIP

Yes I really see your point about how schmidt sucks now because he was a juicer

As far as the LA rotation? Well I think they will have one of the top in all of baseball. They also have top prospect artms to through out there to.

Go ahead and bash LA without nowing what your talking about....no really go Gnats

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » December 28, 2006, 10:44 pm

It is not really so much the average base salary, but the length of the contract that is bizarre. Not saying Zito is a hack, but he certainly isn't a #1 starter. Grats Boras on this one.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 28, 2006, 10:48 pm

I would say 18mil (based on player salaries) is a fair price on Zito. I would question the length a little....but really consider it a non-issue since Zito is not injury prone. Also toward the last 2-3 years of his contract he will most likely be a bargain where he 'may' be a little overpriced now.

Really doesnt change the NL West at all, swapping Schmidt for Zito may be a little step up, but not really.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » December 28, 2006, 10:58 pm

Like the NL West is even relevant.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » December 28, 2006, 11:00 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Like the NL West is even relevant.

Well, it's not!

However, there have been a severe lack of interesting sports threads lately.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » December 28, 2006, 11:02 pm

I have watched Schmidt first hand for a long time, he is not the pitcher he was pre-testing days, not even close sorry, his fastball is around 91 on a good day, but thanks for the best year stat backing up getting a 28 year old that has never missed a start over a 33 year old... Schmidt like most starters had his best year when he was... gasp 29! Comparing an AL pitcher to an NL pitcher is silly and never works, you know that so why even bother with the arguement... you saved 2 million to take a guy who is much older and whose arm has NEVER been the same since that 150 pitch game he threw sadly. You can thank Alou for that. I will add if you look at the park, Pac Bell is going to be very very good to Zito, 421 to right center let alone the half point of ERa every expert says comes from simply playing with no DH.

Pierre was huge but so was losing drew... you improved there but only slightly. Top prospects are maybes... they mean nothing except trade bait. Pitching prospects are something the Giants have always been deep in... and still are considered deeper than the dodgers, but it is a weak arguement so I won't bother.

Gonzo is a weaker, albeit cheaper, Bonds... there is nothing to see there anymore

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 28, 2006, 11:18 pm

Funny thing is, Schmidt is like our #2 or even #3 SP and was your #1. Talking about Roids and having Barry anywhere in your post is funny. EVERYONE in LA is happy Drew is gone. The prospects the Dodgers have are actually ones that actually have a shot or have already proven worth. There is actually a glut in LA with prospects, once the season gets rolling you will see them trade for what they need at that time.

LA is going to be good this year.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 28, 2006, 11:20 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Like the NL West is even relevant.

I dunno, maybe we should just crown NYY every year and not bother with playing

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » December 28, 2006, 11:22 pm

Well, they will be good in the NL West. I suppose that is fine to get them into the playoffs, eh? Then Giants and Padres need a few more years and some handy GM work. D-Backs...well...hehe

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » December 28, 2006, 11:25 pm

I dunno, maybe we should just crown NYY every year and not bother with playing

And there baseball would die. However, allow us to knock the NL west in general due to the records of the previous couple years.

Ya know, I am surprised the Yanks have not paid large monies for Bonds yet. He would fit in perfectly with those other inflated-head juicers like Giambi and Sheff.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 28, 2006, 11:36 pm

LA will give any team a run for it right now. Very solid at every position and have a very tough rotation and their pen is good to. I think there will be a few teams worried about LA come playoff time.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 28, 2006, 11:43 pm

Ripping the NL West is fine. But I am excited as LA has finally rebuilt their organization and have done a very good job of it, as a fan I have not seen this in a very long time.

Barry in pinstripes...that would be funny

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » December 29, 2006, 12:06 am

And yes, it is good to see LA make some good moves. Hated to see such a great franchise go down the tubes...or at least be so fucking inconsistent. Of course, I am not a fan of the Dodgers (still remember '88 NLCS, hehe), but I do like to see the Giants to take a whooping.

...and one more note on the other NY team...

Cashman: "Fuck chemistry!"

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » December 29, 2006, 12:07 am

Trek wrote:Funny thing is, Schmidt is like our #2 or even #3 SP and was your #1. Talking about Roids and having Barry anywhere in your post is funny. EVERYONE in LA is happy Drew is gone. The prospects the Dodgers have are actually ones that actually have a shot or have already proven worth. There is actually a glut in LA with prospects, once the season gets rolling you will see them trade for what they need at that time.

LA is going to be good this year.

Cain was definately our #1 at the end of the year... and the best pitcher in baseball at the end of the year for that matter but hey. Following Zitos soft style will make Cain even more deadly (or vise versa).

See my posts about Schmidt for the past 4 years... I have called him and most power pitchers to all have been juicers, that the only pitchers I thought MIGHT not be juicing were the big curve pitchers like Zito and guys like Maddux.

Giants win the Division by 6 easy.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » December 29, 2006, 1:09 am

Seeing as how the teams in the NL West have had 3 WS appearances total in 16 years, I can say they are pretty darn irrelevant. In all honesty the power of the NL is still the East. The Central still managed to snag a title last year with possibly the worst team to ever win a title.....and none of the teams from the West could even think about taking them in a series.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 29, 2006, 1:37 am

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Seeing as how the teams in the NL West have had 3 WS appearances total in 16 years, I can say they are pretty darn irrelevant. In all honesty the power of the NL is still the East. The Central still managed to snag a title last year with possibly the worst team to ever win a title.....and none of the teams from the West could even think about taking them in a series.

Your point looks pretty stupid if your going to say the power is in the East and argue that the West hasnt done anything. Lets go with 2000+

NL East - 2 Appearances, 1 win, 1 loss

NL West - 2 Appearances, 1 win, 1 loss

So I guess in irrelevancy the East is right there with the West

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 29, 2006, 1:41 am

Pherr the Dorf wrote:Giants Lose the Division by 6 easy.

Fixed it for you

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » December 29, 2006, 1:47 am

In all honesty the power of the NL is still the East.

Just to clear that up. The power does indeed reside in the NL East....Mets.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 29, 2006, 1:51 am

The Mets are geared up for sure, but since they havent won the series in forever either.....I guess that makes them irrelevant also.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » December 29, 2006, 1:57 am

So you are saying the Mets should trade for some me-first Yankee asshats? (Is it possible to trade for Yankee fans?)

And yes, I am well aware of Mets futility in recent (cough, cough) years. Luckily, I hear Omar is going to have Ryan Howard hobbled (can GMs do that?)

Anyways....back to Zito....

was hoping for a deal that would send him to Queens, but I think Minaya played this as well as possible. 7 years for a good but not great pitcher is a fucking joke. Only reason he is making that kind of cash is due to the fact that all the other bitches is taken. I am glad the Mets are going to look elsewhere.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 29, 2006, 2:16 am

Canelek wrote: (Is it possible to trade for Yankee fans?)

Of course not, its been 5-6 years since they won the series so there really isnt any Yankee fans to trade for right now......please check back when they win again.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » December 29, 2006, 3:04 am

I am just curious... who the fuck cares what their teams spend? Players and Owners signed a new agreement EARLY... this means only 1 thing... both sides are making money hand over fist and so both are content to ride this.
Be ready for average payroll over 100 mill inside 4 years and both sides will still make fat cash.

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Seeing as how the teams in the NL West have had 3 WS appearances total in 16 years, I can say they are pretty darn irrelevant. In all honesty the power of the NL is still the East. The Central still managed to snag a title last year with possibly the worst team to ever win a title.....and none of the teams from the West could even think about taking them in a series.

You went back 16 years... which being a baseball fan who doesn't talk out his fucking ass means you knew you went back to the 4 div 2 league format where the Braves (91 and 92) were a part of the West...

But why live in the past, take the last 6 and see that the west has been there 1/3 of the time... which is statistically dead on average...

I am sorry you lose at math and history

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » December 29, 2006, 3:11 am

Oh I know. Payroll will indeed continue to skyrocket--especially with the continued shortage numbers-wise of quality free agents.

With Zito though, in this case, it just seems like he is earning so much more than most staff aces, where he is in reality a #2(outside) or #3(more likely due to IP) starter. I see him as a step above say a Steve Trachsel.

All of that aside, he will indeed improve the Giants rotation.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » December 29, 2006, 3:19 am

Canelek wrote:Oh I know. Payroll will indeed continue to skyrocket--especially with the continued shortage numbers-wise of quality free agents.

With Zito though, in this case, it just seems like he is earning so much more than most staff aces, where he is in reality a #2(outside) or #3(more likely due to IP) starter. I see him as a step above say a Steve Trachsel.

All of that aside, he will indeed improve the Giants rotation.

He will probably slide into the #2 slot in the rotation unless Cain regresses badly, going from his flamethrower arm to Zito flat out stupid curve will mess with teams... I for one can't see Matt Morris sucking half as bad the first half of the year as he did last year and would LOVE to see the Gmen grab Mulder for the 5th spot in the rot.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » December 29, 2006, 3:45 am

Wasn't Mulder all jacked up last season?

Ah yeah, forgot about Cain. That kid has some stuff.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 29, 2006, 10:16 am

There is no way Zito is the #2. He would not take a role as a #2 to a 23 year old kid....unless he totally stinks it up for a long while. Besides the Gnats gave him a contract that says 'you are our #1".

Far as contracts go, I do care only because of what it means to me. More money out of my pocket if I want to goto a game. Say what you will about 'its their money' but really its our money. You dont think they increase payroll but lower profits do you?

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » December 29, 2006, 12:51 pm

#2 is a rotation slot excluding opening day and playoffs... it means little beyond the idea... Teams generally set up rotations rightie, leftie rightie leftrie rightie, (Cain, Zito, Morris, Lowry, ____) as well as trying to alternate power and finesse pitchers (same order). Zito will be our opening day starter but his role will be as a 2.

One more time, they signed an agreement EARLY for the next 5 years... this is both unprecidented and shows the strength of the league. I will use their numbers though to explain this as it is truely stunning (and the reason why people like angels owner are LOWERING beer prices and the like to make it easier and less expensive to go to the park. Hell the SF Giants lowered prices at the park... and they paid for their own damn stadium unlike any other team since Chavez ravine was built.

"We had an attendance record for the third straight year," Selig said. "You know my love of history, so I take this all the way back, and even when I compare it to 15 or 20 years ago, this is stunning -- the average team drawing 2,535,000. Revenues up over $5.3 billion. Unheard of, the sport's never been more popular.

Revenue up to 176 million PER TEAM average (that includes teams like the devil rays and other bottom feeders) holy fuck that is even better than I thought... that quadruples revenue from 14 years ago.

Thresholds for luxury tax on team payrolls set at $148 million for 2007, $155 million for 2008, $162 million in 2009, $170 million in 2010 and $178 million in 2011.

Speaks in loud "turn it to 11" volume

Major league minimum increases from $327,000 this year to $380,000 in 2007, $390,000 in 2008, $400,000 in 2009

22+% raise over the next 3 years of contracts... we should all be so lucky to see a raise like that.

The point is this, if you beleive your team when they say there are budgetary restraints then you are beleiveing a line of horseshit. They are all making money hand over fist and unlike football they have not come close to maxing advertising and TV revenue (most experts think the NFL has done just that and there is basically no more money to go around for football other then your standard 1-2% gains in revenue streams from those sources) so there is just more and more money coming down the pipe.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 29, 2006, 10:00 pm

Last time I went to Pac-Bell it cost me a lot of money, tickets where so-so, beer was pricey and overpaid for garlic fries and a dog but they were good, think it cost me 40 bucks to park...yea I know I could take alternate transport but I drive from Nevada to watch a baseball game so I really just wanna get to the park. It cost a lot more then it should to enjoy a game which is why I dont nearly go to pro games as much as I used to, but thanks for letting me know I can get a cheaper beer in Anahiem. I am glad revenue is up so high for them, it means they can afford more higher paid contracts, because really it doesnt translate to the fans much at all even if they lower ticket prices a couple bucks.

As far as rotations go, yes they set up this way and that, but really overall you can see who they use as their #1/2. I hope they do make Cain the guy, I would doubt he is ready to handle that pressure just yet. I think he has the potential soon, but not now and that could bring him down instead of developing so a better shot of him failing is good for LA.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · December 30, 2006, 1:39 am

Yankees rule. We signed Igawa for $4mil a year and I bet he has similar stats to Schmidt and Zito, plus he will be pitching in October

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » December 31, 2006, 2:49 am

Yankees put the I in mindless spending.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » December 31, 2006, 4:21 am

Canelek wrote:Yankees put the I in mindless spending.

Cashman needs to do a complete makeover

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » January 2, 2007, 11:49 am

Trek wrote:
Canelek wrote: (Is it possible to trade for Yankee fans?)

Of course not, its been 5-6 years since they won the series so there really isnt any Yankee fans to trade for right now......please check back when they win again.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendanc ... asonType=2

oops

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » January 2, 2007, 12:17 pm

Chidoro wrote:
Trek wrote:
Canelek wrote: (Is it possible to trade for Yankee fans?)

Of course not, its been 5-6 years since they won the series so there really isnt any Yankee fans to trade for right now......please check back when they win again.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendanc ... asonType=2

oops

So you have the 7th highest % attendence and an assload of seats for corperate sponsors to snatch up on the cheap... gratz you

Truant · Post by **Truant** » January 2, 2007, 12:59 pm

Chidoro wrote:
Trek wrote:
Canelek wrote: (Is it possible to trade for Yankee fans?)

Of course not, its been 5-6 years since they won the series so there really isnt any Yankee fans to trade for right now......please check back when they win again.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendanc ... asonType=2

oops

I can't believe they're going to tear down that stadium just so they can have more seats and boxes to sell for more money.

Then again, I guess nothing is sacred anymore. Esp, in this country.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » January 2, 2007, 4:50 pm

Pherr the Dorf wrote:
Chidoro wrote:
Trek wrote:
Canelek wrote: (Is it possible to trade for Yankee fans?)

Of course not, its been 5-6 years since they won the series so there really isnt any Yankee fans to trade for right now......please check back when they win again.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendanc ... asonType=2

oops
So you have the 7th highest % attendence and an assload of seats for corperate sponsors to snatch up on the cheap... gratz you

Ever try to get to Yankees Stadium? Try taking a stroll around the area to see why those numbers are impressive. As far a corp sponsored seats go, how many of those seats are normally empty most any place else? You can have archery practice at a Devils game even though a ton of seats are all sold off to sponsors.

Actually, the new stadium is going to have fewer normal seats but about triple of number of boxes.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » January 2, 2007, 9:45 pm

Well honestly I was poking fun at all the Yankee fans that pop up when they win another series. Where I live most people are Gnats or A's fans for the most part but as soon as the Yankees win one or are close there are Yank fans almost everywhere.... I guess you wouldnt notice that if you live around there

Soreali · Post by **Soreali** » January 3, 2007, 9:25 pm

Canelek wrote:Yankees put the I in mindless spending.

I'm sorry 51 million POSTING price for a guy who never pitched in the majors and is probably gonna have the same success as Hideki Irabu? Not to mention the other 50 they're actually paying him.. Yeah, grats us..

ooloof · Post by **ooloof** » February 2, 2007, 2:42 pm

Canelek wrote:Yankees put the I in mindless spending.

Not this year-I think that honor went to all the teams who signed starting pitchers this winter

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » February 18, 2007, 2:43 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17190177/

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » February 18, 2007, 2:44 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17190177/

Trek · Post by **Trek** » February 18, 2007, 8:07 pm

Whats your point? That some dumbass doesnt know baseball? Only 3 teams in the NL scored more runs last year then LA and they didnt have a 'power' hitter then either.

This year they will be faster and most likely get on base even more then last season. They also have a few unproven potential power guys in Loney and Kemp. Chavez never needed a power guy, speed and gap power is all they need and their current lineup has it top to bottom. I would be suprised if one of the Rookies doesnt surpass the little that Drew brought with him. They will more then likely score over 800 runs again this year even if Kent/Nomar or Gonzo go down for awhile.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » February 18, 2007, 9:11 pm

" would be suprised if one of the Rookies doesnt surpass the little that Drew brought with him. "

20+ home runs and a 0.400 OBP?

Trek · Post by **Trek** » February 18, 2007, 11:05 pm

Vetiria wrote:" would be suprised if one of the Rookies doesnt surpass the little that Drew brought with him. "

20+ home runs and a 0.400 OBP?

He was often injured, his 1st season in LA was 50 games or something, so yeah I think he brought little with him when he was expected to be the heart of the lineup

Also, yes I think Loney has the potential to surpass that, he can definately hit 20 HR and have a close to .400OBP, Kemp might not push .400OBP but can certainly hit 20+. LaRoche also has potential to hit 20.

Drew had exactly 20HR and a .393OBP which is decent sure, but not all that great and he is a subpar fielder. I think He wont be missed at all.

1 - Furcal .286avg, .351OBP, 38SB and 111 Runs AVG per year
2 - Pierre .303avg, .350OBP, 52SB 98runs 200hits AVG per year
3 - Nomar 300, 20 ish HR if healthy/ Loney can hit here as well
4 - Kent I suspect he returns to his normal 20+ HR 100+ RBI
5 - Ethier 308avg, 365OBP 11 HR as a rookie
6 - Martin .282avg, 350obp 10hr and plays a decent C
7 - Gonzo .352OBP and 52 2b's/ Kemp here too
8 - Betemit ready for a breakout year/ LaRoche

LA has a decent bench as well with:

Anderson
Martinez
Saenz
Repko

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » February 19, 2007, 1:09 am

Drew played in 73 games in 2005 because he got hit by a pitch and broke his wrist. You're downplaying his contributions. When healthy (a big question throughout his career) he's a great player.

You're expecting too much from Pierre. He's a mediocre base stealer eventhough he steals a lot. He had 200 hits last year and his OBP was still only 0.330. He can run down some balls in center, but base runners run on him all day. When you see him play day in and day out, you'll see how overrated he is.

All those numbers you're posting are great in a perfect world. Unfortunately, young players go through sophomore slumps sometimes, and Nomar will get hurt and Kent's legs are getting worse as he gets older. Gonzo is well on the down-side of his career, getting worse each of the last 3-4 years, both power and OBP--and he's leaving the hitter's park in AZ.

I think you're overrating your offense, but I still see the Dodgers coming out of the west.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » February 19, 2007, 2:32 am

Drew has really only had 2 good years, and they are not close to anything special when compaired to good power hitters ao I dont think I am down playing him at all. Most of his career is not what I consider 'power hitter' production.

As far as Pierre, I know what he is. I guess I am the only one that understands that you want a contact hitter after you leadoff guy. Sure his OBP is low, who cares? he struck out 38 times in 699 AB. He is there to make contact while Furcal is on base and to help give fits to opposing Pitchers/Catchers. 58 steals with 20 cs is decent enough in my book. The Dodgers have a chance at 200 runs just between those 2. I have already stated that Pierre has a noodle arm, Drew wasnt much better in RF and he couldnt run down anything. So loosing arm in CF and gaining a little more range from last year and gaining arm/F%/Range in RF is an ok swap.

In reality if just one of Gonzo/Kent/Nomar have their normal year, the offense will be in good shape.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » February 19, 2007, 11:23 am

Vetiria wrote: All those numbers you're posting are great in a perfect world. Unfortunately, young players go through sophomore slumps sometimes, and Nomar will get hurt and Kent's legs are getting worse as he gets older. Gonzo is well on the down-side of his career, getting worse each of the last 3-4 years, both power and OBP--and he's leaving the hitter's park in AZ.

Those numbers where caeer averages per season, which for the most part have improved since those players started playing, I think even if they have sub-par seasons they will be close to those stats....those numbers are much better in 'a perfect world'.

I doubt the entire lineup is going to slump or get hurt this year, but I suppose it could happen.

Xyphir · Post by **Xyphir** » February 20, 2007, 1:47 pm

Trek wrote: 8 - Betemit ready for a breakout year/ LaRoche

Betemit was the talk of the Braves farm system for MANY years, and just about every spring training I'd read that this was going to be Betemit's year and he would move up to the majors. Now at the ripe age of 26, there's more talk about this guy and I just don't see it. I'd look for LaRoche to come off his surgery and make the team as the regular 3B and more mediocrity from Betemit.

I got my tickets just last week for the Rockies, and I'm somewhat excited for the season. I'm not happy they traded Jason Jennings, and really not happy they didn't trade Todd Helton, but who would want his salary? He makes about 1/3 of the total team salary. I like Helton, but think they could do better with some younger talent. As with the past two years, I'm almost more excited to see the opposing teams, but wish they wouldn't have made the Yankees games not part of my ticket package. Oh well.

Go Rox!

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