Heroes Season 1 Discussion *SPOILERS*

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » February 6, 2007, 4:34 pm

Nikki got pardoned for homicide adn set free, but if I was that female social worker/shrink who just got beat up, fried with a taser multiple times and my wrist broken I think I'd have filed some new charges and got Nikki's ass thrown back in jail....

Xyphir · Post by **Xyphir** » February 6, 2007, 4:35 pm

I'd have to agree that the writing has been rather sloppy. In regards to Hiro, I'm not sure there are women CEOs in Japan. I find it hard to believe that the board members would approve of a woman running their company or that his father would approve of his daughter as his heir.

And how did Jessica taser the shrink that many times before the guards busted in? Don't they have cameras in those rooms?

Nathan Patrelli sure does get around. He has already banged two superheroes (Jessica and Claire's mom). It should be interesting to see what happens between Matt (mind-reading cop) and Jessica. I wonder if he can help Nikki be free of her alter-ego?

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 6, 2007, 5:59 pm

rhyae wrote:Nikki got pardoned for homicide adn set free, but if I was that female social worker/shrink who just got beat up, fried with a taser multiple times and my wrist broken I think I'd have filed some new charges and got Nikki's ass thrown back in jail....

I was kind of under the impression that Linderman pulled some string to get her back out on the streets for some reason.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 6:00 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:
rhyae wrote:Nikki got pardoned for homicide adn set free, but if I was that female social worker/shrink who just got beat up, fried with a taser multiple times and my wrist broken I think I'd have filed some new charges and got Nikki's ass thrown back in jail....
I was kind of under the impression that Linderman pulled some string to get her back out on the streets for some reason.

I imagine Linderman has bigger plans for her.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » February 6, 2007, 6:02 pm

When the lawyer says, "Don't worry about tomorrow's trouble, today" i thought he kinda gave that one away.

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » February 6, 2007, 6:06 pm

When the lawyer says, "Don't worry about tomorrow's trouble, today" i thought he kinda gave that one away.

I missed that, thanks.

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » February 6, 2007, 6:18 pm

Aslanna wrote:Speaking of the phase guy (DL) I have a bit of a nitpick with him getting into areas like a high security prison. Just because you can phase through a wall doesn't mean you're invisible!

Speaking of Superpower flaws:
When Peter goes invis with invisidude that doesnt mean they also go silent. They were walking down the streets of New York jabbering on and on yet there wasnt one person that acknowleged hearing their voices.

Akanae · Post by **Akanae** » February 6, 2007, 6:20 pm

We also must wonder if Clair's mom (accidentally) started the fire that she thought had killed Clair...if so, she doesn't seem to concerned about it now.

Mr. Bennett seems to visit people just as they are discovering their powers/unable to control them properly. So it probably went down something like he tried to abduct her (like he does with everyone else) and she accidentally started the fire protecting herself. Maybe Flyboy was with her at the time and flew the both of them out? Would explain her reference to the roof and why she left her baby.

And we know the secret to keeping Peter from exploding: punching him in the face!

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 6:40 pm

Homercles wrote:Speaking of Superpower flaws:
When Peter goes invis with invisidude that doesnt mean they also go silent. They were walking down the streets of New York jabbering on and on yet there wasnt one person that acknowleged hearing their voices.

"Suspension of Disbelief"

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 6, 2007, 6:56 pm

miir wrote:
Homercles wrote:Speaking of Superpower flaws:
When Peter goes invis with invisidude that doesnt mean they also go silent. They were walking down the streets of New York jabbering on and on yet there wasnt one person that acknowleged hearing their voices.
"Suspension of Disbelief"

If you notice them walking down the street, they bump into people constantly and aren't trying to be stealthy at all. New York has some noisy streets so I don't think the voices would be as prominent as you might think. Maybe they needed one scene of someone looking around that heard them but I don't think it was that big of an oversight.

I get the impression that invisi dude doesn't care too much about making people wonder WTF is going on when they get bumped into and stolen from etc.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 7, 2007, 3:53 pm

OK, so what's the deal with Bennet?

Why did his wife say that she thinks it strange that everyone calls him "Mister Bennet".
Why did his drivers license only say "Bennet"?

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 7, 2007, 4:51 pm

It could be something as simple as a running gag they have going where they won't let us know his name. They're definitely emphasizing the fact that we don't know it. Or maybe his name is simply Bennet. You know, like Prince.

Post by **Sylvus** » February 7, 2007, 4:57 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:It could be something as simple as a running gag they have going where they won't let us know his name. They're definitely emphasizing the fact that we don't know it. Or maybe his name is simply Bennet. You know, like Prince.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it is. I saw the actor on Good Morning America or somesuch in the last month or so, and he and the interviewer both laughed about it. The actor said that they never gave him a first name and that he didn't even know what it was.

Although, what if his name is Linderman Bennet....

miir · Post by **miir** » February 7, 2007, 5:01 pm

Another interesting thing I noticed in this weeks episode.

Most of the pictures Isaac was painting were from Peter's point of view... Including the one of the blown up city from the rooftop?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 7, 2007, 5:17 pm

Sylvus wrote: Although, what if his name is Linderman Bennet....

Nice! That's definitely a possibility, although we do see Mr Bennet calling a "superior" on the phone in several episodes. His first name may be Bennet and his wife may wonder why people call him "Mr Bennet" which would sound as odd as "Mr (insert a first name here)" to us.

Momopi · Post by **Momopi** » February 7, 2007, 5:42 pm

Winnow wrote:
Sylvus wrote: Although, what if his name is Linderman Bennet....
Nice! That's definitely a possibility, although we do see Mr Bennet calling a "superior" on the phone in several episodes. His first name may be Bennet and his wife may wonder why people call him "Mr Bennet" which would sound as odd as "Mr (insert a first name here)" to us.

Unless you live in the south where I hear people say things like Mr. firstname all the time.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » February 7, 2007, 5:47 pm

I'm pretty sure its Claire Bennet. The comments the wife made were probably because she was always used to calling her husband by his first name. Kinda like its weird to have a friend be called Mr. (lastname) when you just say (firstname)

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 7, 2007, 5:50 pm

Momopi wrote:Unless you live in the south where I hear people say things like Mr. firstname all the time.

I figured down south people called everyone cousin, uncle, mom or dad.

Xyphir · Post by **Xyphir** » February 7, 2007, 5:56 pm

Winnow wrote:
Momopi wrote:Unless you live in the south where I hear people say things like Mr. firstname all the time.
I figured down south people called everyone cousin, uncle, mom or dad.

Depends on your ethnicity. Some people they just call "boy".

redeemed · Post by **redeemed** » February 13, 2007, 4:46 am

still watching this show and still feeling in tune with the general consensus that it's way too slow-paced and not all that well written.. but of course I still really want to see how things come together ;p
I'm glad that they upped the suspense with syler being teamed up with .. oh whatever the doctor's name is.. makes it a little more interesting, we'll see~

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 13, 2007, 7:53 am

I thought Chapter 15 "Run" was one of the best episodes yet. At least we're getting a little more action.

I'm tired of the telepath cop always getting shit on. It's about time he did something to improve his life. Fuck the pigs. Make a buck with the stolen diamonds.

Well, I thought the politician was bad. Clair's real mom is even worse...lying about how much money she was getting. Lame. It's time for Clair to run away and group up with one of the other heroes. Her homelife is a little too fucked up now to hang around in.

It's also time for Hiro to get his powers back.

The politician may do the right thing in the end. I still think he's going to sacrifice himself to save the world by flying Peter away from the city to end season one.

Mohinder hasn't been much more than a sideshow the past five or six episodes. Pairing up with Sylar can't last too long as it would't take Mohinder long to figure out everyone they meet is dying.

If the cop telepath could communicate as well as just hear thoughts, my guess would be that he'd be the one to bring Nicki back and find a way to control Jessica.

Anyways, the action picked up a notch this episode and I'll bet it stays this way or increases. Still a good show.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » February 13, 2007, 11:27 am

Agreed the Hiro lame duck thing is getting old. And what was with the dinosaur in the painting?

Maybe it's just too expensive to keep doing the special effects for the time stop scenes.

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » February 13, 2007, 11:36 am

The dinosaur was a clip of the future from when Hiro went to the Museum to fetch the sword.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 13, 2007, 11:53 am

It was great to finally see Parkman and Nikki finally getting some decent action screentime. Lack of Peter was a bit dissapointing since he had such a solid episode last week.

They've been all over the place with the Hiro storyline recently. Hopefully they re-focus this in the near future. Anyone else not too crazy about the Ando character? Seems to me like he's more of a crutch for Hiro than anything else and is holding character development back.

I really enjoy how they're integrating the Sylar character in the show they way they have been. It's a nice change to have a present villan that they can develop instead of some looming shadow. Looking forward to more development on the Linderman front as well.

Xyphir · Post by **Xyphir** » February 13, 2007, 1:18 pm

I just don't get why they're fucking with Ando so much. I figured he'd have more loyalty to Hiro that he would some trollop (i.e. Hope). And I know it's just a TV show, but that had to be the shortest shower ever.

As for Parkman, I thought they would make him a more solid character then have him steal the diamonds. Instead of standing up for what's right, he's showing his flaws and weakness in believing what others think about him.

I was hoping to see more of Peter and the invisible guy this episode, as well as Isaac and the plot lines around them in NYC. Peter needs to develop his abilities. There's eventually going to be a massive showdown between Peter and Sylar and I hope they make it more than just a one-time thing. Sylar has already shown he can not be shot, which leads me to another question.

If Sylar can not killed by conventional means, why doesn't he just walk in and take Claire's ability? Is he really afraid of the Haitian? He didn't appear in this episode either. And how did Claire drive down to see her mom? She doesn't have access to a car, at least not from the last episode when her friend drove her down.

Mohinder Suresh & Sylar should be an interesting story line. It'll be interesting to see how that evolves. Until next Monday...

Withefel · Post by **Withefel** » February 13, 2007, 4:13 pm

Did i miss something or what, but how did Hiro lose his powers in the first place? I know he needs that sword to focus his powers but that sword doesn't give him powers, just focus right?

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 13, 2007, 4:29 pm

Right after they came back after that holiday break, Hiro came in saying that he was loosing his power and needed to get the sword to get his powers back.

Whether or not this is just Hiro obsessing remains to be seen.

The sword does have, in it's hilt, the tattoo'ed symbol you've been seeing on many of the players.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 13, 2007, 4:33 pm

This show is going into the shitter... fast.

Post by **Sylvus** » February 13, 2007, 5:27 pm

I disagree. I am still enjoying it quite a bit, and it's the show I most look forward to new episodes every week.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 13, 2007, 5:44 pm

Sylvus wrote:I disagree. I am still enjoying it quite a bit, and it's the show I most look forward to new episodes every week.

I still enjoy the show but the writing has gone downhill, the acting has been hit-or-miss and there are too many obvious red herrings.

The hiro/ando storyline has been a fucking mess for weeks.
Sub plots never seem to get resolved... they usually just get dropped with little to no followup.

I mean really... 15 episodes later and we still know virtually nothing about how these characters are all connected.

Xyphir · Post by **Xyphir** » February 13, 2007, 5:48 pm

Withefel wrote:Did i miss something or what, but how did Hiro lose his powers in the first place? I know he needs that sword to focus his powers but that sword doesn't give him powers, just focus right?

Hiro "lost" his ability to use his powers after his failed attempt to save Charlie, the waitress at the Burnt Toast Diner. He was able to slow time enough to steal the sword in the MoMA, or whatever that museum was in NYC.

Post by **Sylvus** » February 13, 2007, 6:54 pm

miir wrote:I mean really... 15 episodes later and we still know virtually nothing about how these characters are all connected.

What are you looking for exactly? The particular gene that causes them to have the powers?

Last night's episode appears to have at least given some kind of reason for Parkman to be on the show. He alone can confirm the existence of Jessica/Nikki. I think that if anything, the circle is getting closed now and it's just going to get tighter.

Off the top of my head, here are the main characters and how they are connected to each other.

Nathan Petrelli - Flies
Senatorial candidate who has known of his powers for some time. Known by Chandra Suresh to have powers. Unknown ties to Linderman who also was trying to blackmail him. Father of Clair Bennet.

Peter Petrelli - Power Sponge
Brother of Nathan Petrelli, only recently learned that he was "special". Contacted by Hiro from the future telling him that he must stop something terrible from happening. Appears in several of Isaac's visions of the future. Sought Mohinder Suresh when he realized that he was special. Saved Clair Bennet from Sylar. Possible cause of the catastrophic event facing NYC. Quite possibly the linchpin of the whole "good team" of heroes.

Mr. Bennet - Unknown/None
Man with unkown ties to some mysterious (government?) organization. Organization knows and has known for some time about the heroes. Hunting Sylar. Caught Sylar and did not kill him, appeared to be doing some sort of tests on him. Has also abducted numerous other heroes and done some unknown tests or something on them.

Clair Bennet - Regenerates
Mr. Bennet's adopted daughter. Primary target of Sylar.

The Haitian - Mind Wipe
Mr. Bennet's employee. Helps Mr. Bennet with whatever it is he is doing to the heroes.

Hiro - Time/Space Control
Messing around with powers, ended up in NYC where he saw Isaac's visions about himself in a comic book. Witnessed catastrophic NYC event in the future. Convinced that he is destined to try and stop it. Has been in physical contact with Isaac, both Petrelli brothers, DL, Micah... possibly others that I'm forgetting.

Ando - Unknown/None
There because they need something for Hiro to be tied to. Once Hiro has his powers back, he needs to have a damsel in distress for plot devices and whatnot, I believe Ando will end up being that. Or will get him into trouble, like in last night's episode. Plus Ando spoke english when Hiro didn't.

Nikki/Jessica - Split Personality/Super Strength/?
D.L.'s Wife/Baby Momma. Micah's mother. Borrowed money from Linderman. Stole money from Linderman. Working as hitman for Linderman. Fought Parkman. Slept with Nathan Petrelli (for Linderman). Tasked with assassinating Nathan Petrelli for Linderman.

DL - Kitty Pryde abilty to turn insubstantial
Nikki's man. Micah's father. Framed for stealing from Linderman. Met Hiro and Ando in Vegas at scene of an accident.

Micah - Interfaces with electronics or somesuch
Son of Nikki and DL.

Isaac - Precogniscience
Captured by Mr. Bennet. Predicted catastrophic event. Ex-boyfriend of Simone. Predicted arrival of Hiro in NYC. Predicted Sylar's attack on Clair Bennet.

Simone - Unknown/None
Ex-Girlfriend of Isaac. Current love interest of Peter Petrelli. Art Dealer to Linderman.

Sylar - Power Thief
Currently the main visible bad guy. Met Chandra Suresh who helped him learn what he was and that there were more people like him out there. Killed Dr. Suresh, undisclosed number of other heroes. Attempted to kill Claire Bennet. Hunting more heroes, Claire Bennet in particular. Posing as someone else and travelling with Mohinder Suresh to identify other heroes.

Chandra Suresh - Unknown/None
Discovered the genetic anomaly and located many of the heroes and/or developed a method for predicting where to find additional heroes.

Mohinder Suresh - Unknown/None
Son of Chandra Suresh. In NYC investigating his father's death and continuing his research. Met Peter Petrelli when investigating a lead on Nathan Petrelli that his dad had discovered. Met Sylar and believes him to be someone else. Currently seeking out all heroes he can find.

Matt Parkman - Thought Eavesdropper
Former cop. Was on the Sylar case before being suspended. Kidnapped by Mr. Bennet and the Haitian. Currently working as private security. Met Nikki/Jessica as they were attempting to assassinate a man at Linderman's behest. Only person on the show so far who has actually observed Nikki and Jessica as separate entitites.

Linderman - Unknown/None
Mysterious, well-connected mob character/boss. Apparent collector of items that also have significance to several of the heroes, including the sword that Hiro wants and Isaac's art. Wants Nathan Petrelli dead for some reason.

I dunno, seems like they've given us a lot to go on, and are making more clear every week. The only really big mysteries in my eyes are what role Mr. Bennet and Linderman are going to play in all of this.

/edit: Just saw this interesting visualization of the relationship between characters on the show. I believe "HRG" is how people are referring to Mr. Bennet, due to his Horn Rimmed Glasses.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 13, 2007, 7:11 pm

I was drawn into the show by the cliffhangers... y'know, save the cheerleader... etc.

That was about the only hook in the show that seemed to have any followthrough. The rest of the hooks and storylines are butchered down to 5-10 minutes in one episode then dropped for a week or two... only to be butchered for another 5-10 minutes in that episode.

The writing is becoming too sloppy which I guess is hard to avoid when you have 15+ characters to keep track of in 45 minutes.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 13, 2007, 7:46 pm

I am still very much enjoying the show as well. I guess I would rather have the show move along slow and have a long life than rush the story and be done after 1 season.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 13, 2007, 7:53 pm

Sylvus wrote:
/edit: Just saw this interesting visualization of the relationship between characters on the show. I believe "HRG" is how people are referring to Mr. Bennet, due to his Horn Rimmed Glasses.

Nice character summary Sylvus.

Regarding that chart, I can't believe there's not a direct line between Ando and Jessica as that was established the first show and strengthened when Ando showed up at Jessica's home to meet her.

Ando's not going anywhere. I listened to a 15 minute interview with him on the Heroes podcast and he will remain involved in the story at least through this season.

For anyone that enjoys Heroes talk, check out the 10th Wonder Podcasts:

http://www.thetenthwonder.com/category/audio/

You can listen directly from their site (big button on right side of page) if you don't have iTunes. About 10 mins into the Chapter 16 podcast has the Ando interview. (you can fast forward)

They spend half of the show breaking down the latest episode and then the second half discussing spoilers/speculation.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » February 20, 2007, 2:42 am

Did Adrian Pasdor's character make a quick reference to Lost tonight?

He said if he knew about the Heroes and their power, he would put them on an Island in the middle of the ocean

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » February 20, 2007, 5:03 am

Was Stan Lee the bus driver?

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » February 20, 2007, 9:09 am

Yes he was.

Post by **Sylvus** » February 20, 2007, 12:07 pm

I thought last night's episode was very good, and it seems to be coming together more and more.

I was surprised that Isaac shot Simone, didn't see that coming, even though in retrospect it was foreshadowed pretty clearly.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 20, 2007, 12:24 pm

Sylvus wrote:I thought last night's episode was very good, and it seems to be coming together more and more.

Yes.
There was some nice plot development and the pacing was good.
The pieces are starting to come together.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 20, 2007, 12:41 pm

I agree, things are really moving along well now with promises of next week being a huge week for plot development.

I wonder if Bennet is going to brain wash his wife and son again or if he is just going to finally deal with the fact that his family is gonna know what he is doing.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 20, 2007, 12:46 pm

Certain parts of last night's episode were good but Clair's mom thing is starting to seriously wear on me. Clair has to know by now that there's no way anyone is going to believe her mind wiping story.

Nice to see Simone with two bullet holes. Her character was pretty weak and how many times could she show up with the key and then keep it? The whole thing smacked of attention whoring. I hope she's dead but I missed the previews for next week so don't know for sure.

I like the new Israeli wireless lady. I'm ready for a little action on the part of the Heroes to find some answers, using their powers if necessary.

The Hiro storyline was a waste of minutes. They could have skipped the last two episodes. The last few episodes really feel like filler besides a few of the other character's storylines.

I'm also getting tired of the invisible guy beating on Peter. Not that an emo character doesn't deserve a beating here and there but invisidude is mostly annoying.

Any bets that Parkman is going to communicate with his wife's unborn baby somehow? Random thought, but I don't see the reason behind the storyline for his wife's pregnancy otherwise atm although if it's not his, the baby probably doesn't have any special powers.

If Mohinder goes more than two hero research visits with resulting deaths, I'm going to be a little annoyed with the Mohinder/Silar stoyline as well. It will turn into a marathon thing like Clair and the memory thing.

All that said, the Radioactiveman storyline is picking up and it looks like Mr Bennett isn't going to just keep wiping people's minds starting next episode with Parkman, Wirelesslady and Radioacvtiveman combining forces. All looks good for the upcoming episodes.

Akanae · Post by **Akanae** » February 20, 2007, 2:10 pm

I don't think I can handle them going more than 2 more episodes with the Sylar/Mohinder partnership. I really liked the super sonic hearing lady

It's interesting to know that Peter can absorb any of Sylar's ill gotten powers (I don't think this was made clear in the save the cheerleader episode). Really fun to see some heroes finally teaming up - I hope they can keep up this pace now that (almost) everyone has a fleshed out back story.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » February 20, 2007, 2:10 pm

i was looking forward to seeing nikki try to kill nathan this episode. oh well, next week i guess.

Post by **Sylvus** » February 20, 2007, 2:57 pm

To expand on my earlier impressions. Getting rid of Simone and Ando is great; time to separate the chaff, and their usefulness had worn out. If it ever existed. I'm pretty sure we haven't seen the last of Ando, but I'd like Hiro to get his powers back and start doing something, perhaps team up with another hero.

Peter gaining control is awesome. Looks like he's basically going to be the Superman of the good side, whereas Sylar is... well, is there an evil counterpart to Superman? The fact that he can call up the powers of any hero he's been around, without having to eat their brains, gives him the edge in the Sylar/Peter power struggle.

Parkman, "Wireless" and Radioactive Man teaming up and going after HRG finally makes Parkman somewhat worthwhile. It could possibly end up being several bands of heroes working on different problems, kind of like East Coast and West Coast Avengers. That could be cool. I'm glad they divulged the info about the needles and the radioactive isotope for tracking. Feels less like Lost when you actually learn something and aren't kept in the dark about everything.

I liked that they put Stan Lee in there, even if it was just a short cameo. Way to pay respects to the guy who obviously inspired the writers of the show.

Unfortunately my tivo cut the previews for next week off, so I didn't see what is coming up.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 20, 2007, 3:11 pm

Preview

Search only took me about 5 seconds on google.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » February 20, 2007, 3:33 pm

Sylvus wrote:well, is there an evil counterpart to Superman?

Bizarro Superman?

Post by **Sylvus** » February 20, 2007, 3:59 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Preview

Search only took me about 5 seconds on google.

Congrats! I'm glad you actually learned something today.

Unfortunately all streaming media is blocked at work, so I didn't bother looking for it. Nor did I ask anyone else to do it for me. And I haven't been a participant in the thread in which "5 second google search" refers to.

indeed.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 20, 2007, 4:09 pm

Oh boo - I thought it was funny.

Find out where Claire came form.
Find out who Bennet really works for.
Ending that will leave you wondering "there's gotta be a better way."

Thats about it.

Post by **Sylvus** » February 20, 2007, 4:24 pm

Ooh, I'm interested in seeing who Bennet works for.

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