The Official PS3 thread!

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 1, 2007, 3:28 pm

I've been perfectly happy with DVD playback with my 360 on my SDTV. Looks better than other DVD players I've owned.

That being said, ANY SD content run on a 57" TV that's native 1080p will look like shit, the 360 may do a slightly shittier job than most but it will still suck.

The dude should've plugged it in with a VGA cable and used his Denon with HDMI and then compared.

The article set the 360 up to fail.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 1, 2007, 8:27 pm

Animalor wrote:The article set the 360 up to fail.

You guys are too funny.

All you have to do is admit the DVD playback quality isn't all that great, regardless of what other DVD player they compare it to, and move on. It's not really a huge deal since I'd guess most people will be using dedicated players for movie watching and not a 360. No need to get all defensive on us!

If this was HD they were talking about and the article claimed the 360 HD was much better than PS3 Blu-Ray playback you'd be all over it.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 1, 2007, 8:56 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Animalor wrote:The article set the 360 up to fail.
You guys are too funny.

All you have to do is admit the DVD playback quality isn't all that great, regardless of what other DVD player they compare it to, and move on.

I acknowledged the quality issue my first response:

Winnow wrote:
Add this to the "cons" list for the 360!

I also suggested a MUCH better alternative to PS3 or 360 for watching DVD movies (and Divx/Xvid, etc) in the Home Theater PC. (even provided a link!)

I'm not going to ignore what else I observed in the article that makes it a little biased. It's bad, but all I saw was how bad it was in relation to an 800.00 DVD player. Anyone here have an $800.00 DVD player? This doesn't impact 100% of VVers then unless I see some comparisons with a DVD on the quality level most of us have.

PS: DVD sucks. DVR'd HD channels and high quality Xvid/Divx are preferred by me. Hopefully in a year or two, downloadable HD content will be more available. Gotta appreciate Microsoft kicking things off by starting to make HD movies available for the 360.

If someone is going out to buy a 360 as a DVD player, beware. Otherwise, as a gaming console, and for HD content, it's a good choice. I wouldn't buy a PS3 for the Blu Ray and didn't buy the 360 to watch DVDs.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 1, 2007, 9:38 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Animalor wrote:The article set the 360 up to fail.
You guys are too funny.

All you have to do is admit the DVD playback quality isn't all that great, regardless of what other DVD player they compare it to, and move on. It's not really a huge deal since I'd guess most people will be using dedicated players for movie watching and not a 360. No need to get all defensive on us!

That being said, ANY SD content run on a 57" TV that's native 1080p will look like shit, the 360 may do a slightly shittier job than most but it will still suck.

Not defending the 360 at all. But seriously, comparing it to a dedicated machine that sells at twice the price of the 360 on a TV that sells for 6-10K $ US is a pretty shitty review for any product. What next? Compare a Swiss Army knife to a Ginzu on how well they cut a can?

They mention that they had to set the Denon to output at 480p in the article. This means that they used most likely an HDMI cable to connect it to the TV since Component will default to 480p. They don't mention what they used to connect the Denon unit to the TV in the article unfortunately.

As I've acknowledged already in the past, the analog connection was a bad idea. Chalk it up to drawbacks of an earlier launch. But if you're going to make a comparison, at least try to compare apples with apples.

If this was HD they were talking about and the article claimed the 360 HD was much better than PS3 Blu-Ray playback you'd be all over it.[/

At this point I could careless who will win this war. I don't even own an HDTV yet. As long as I can get the movies I want on one format, it'll be all good.

Serenity on HD-DVD, Kevin Smith on Blu-Ray, I'll just stick with DVD's and the movie download service once it hits Canada.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » February 1, 2007, 10:43 pm

Link

Blu-Ray beating HD-DVD in sales 2 to 1
February 1, 2007 17:55

Culver City (CA) - According to figures released by Nielsen VideoScan, recent Blu-Ray sales are trouncing HD-DVD by a 2 to 1 margin. The figures add up sales from retail registers, along with some websites, and cover the second week of January 2007. According to Nielsen, Blu-Ray has also closed the gap in total sales since inception from 14% to 7%. If the trend continues, Blu-Ray should overtake HD-DVD in less than a month.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 1, 2007, 11:02 pm

Has closed the gap... But still not ahead!

Hope that Blu-Ray thing works out for them. Considering the game division of Sony will have lost 2 billion dollars for the past fiscal year when it comes to a close in March.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 1, 2007, 11:05 pm

Sony PS3 loss 'to reach $2bn' by March

Sony's games division losses will be worse than expected and could exceed $2bn for the fiscal year ending in March, vnunet.com can reveal.

Sony has been shocked by the strong sales of Nintendo's much cheaper Wii console, according to analysts, and has had to fight the entrenched strength of Microsoft's Xbox 360, which was launched more than a year ago and now has a wide range of games.

Sony's predicted loss on the first six months of PS3 sales now exceeds the $1.3bn Microsoft is estimated to have lost on Xbox 360 sales over the same period of that console's life-cycle.

Sony may look to cut PS3 price

From CNet news.com:

Sony may be eyeing price cuts for its next-generation PlayStation 3 video game machine in a bid to break even on the console by the end of fiscal 2008, it told reporters in Tokyo.

According to the Associated Press, Sony senior vice president Takao Yuhara said that while no specific plans have been made, the company is considering reducing the price as a way to boost sales.
"We may look at the price as part of our strategy to expand the market when the timing is right," Yuhara said.

Industry observers have long assumed that Sony would eventually cut the PS3's price in order to woo more customers--especially since it loses more than $200 on each unit--but no one expected movement on that so soon.

Microsoft Engineer about PS3 Horizontal Scaling in SDK

From Bruce Dawson (Microsoft senior software design engineer) on Andre Vrignaud's Blog:

I see no sign that the PS3 contains a chip that can do vertical scaling, and this new feature (horizontal scaling) is a poor substitute for a true hardware scaler. It is a step forward for owners of 1080i only HDTVs, once PS3 games support it, but it is nowhere near as good as the Xbox 360's scaler.

This recent announcement is just for horizontal scaling, and horizontal scaling is easy. To do high quality horizontal scaling you just need to buffer up a few pixels and intelligently average between them.

Cheap horizontal scaling is even easier: you just send pixels to the video output a bit slower (or send pixels at the same rate, but read them from memory slower). It's the sort of thing that consoles have always been able to do. This new horizontal scaling feature just sounds like they are adjusting the video output rate.

Vertical scaling, on the other hand, is much harder. You need to be able to buffer up (or sample from) two or more lines of data, and then intelligently average between them. For high quality scaling you want to be sampling from a half-dozen lines or more. The Xbox 360 can do this. I don't know whether the PS3 can do this, but if it could I think we would have seen it by now.

This new feature means that games that have previously only supported 720p can now, sort of, be modified to support 1080. When these games detect a display that can't support 720p they can switch to using a 960x1080 buffer. This is only 12.5% more pixels than 1280x720 so the increase in fill rate and memory consumption should be manageable. Then they can tell the PS3 to stretch this buffer to 1920x1080 at display time and voila, 1080 support.

Except, it will be pretty weak 1080 support with an odd and substandard result. The horizontal resolution will be worse than with 720p (960 across instead of 1280), and the images will be twice as blurry horizontally as vertically. 960x1080 is going to look worse than 1280x720 (although it's certainly an improvement over having to drop back to 480i).

Sony on SplitFish Rumble: We Haven't Spoke

From 1up.com:

Speaking to 1UP on the SplitFish's rumble technology, Sony Computer Entertainment America said the following: "We have had no contact with this company and continue to have no plans to include FF [force feedback] in SIXAXIS."

PS3 launch price is no fun for UK gamers

From guardian.co.uk

Hard done-by UK gamers were understandably unhappy at a price (£425) that compares unfavourably, to say the least, with US and Japanese prices of $599.99 and ¥60,000 - roughly £300 and £250 - respectively.

That's just from the front page of

http://www.ps3scene.com/

...in case people were worried about me searching too hard. Can find it all on PS3's fanboy site. Sony news is overflowing with this stuff.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 4, 2007, 11:09 pm

Sony Gives Blu-Ray Discs for Free: Blu-Ray Outsells HD DVD

According to a study by market tracking agency Nielsen VideoScan, Blu-ray movie sales have surpassed HD DVD movies sales in the USA thanks to Sony bundling some PlayStation 3 game machines with a BD movie and a voucher for another Blu-ray disc. Several hundred of thousands of Blu-ray movies were purchased for free during the PS3 launch. The war for DVD’s successor rages on: Blu-ray offers larger storage space for content while HD DVD drives and discs are easier and cheaper to produce.

Nice work there Sony! Sales are going to be pretty good when you "sell" your product for $0.00. It will be interesting to track sales in a month or two when all those free vouchers and bundled copies aren't there to boost figures.

I wonder how Spiderman 3 will do if they give it away for free. Best "selling" Blu Ray evah! I can see the marketing hype machine cranking up right now.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 12:56 pm

Nice work there Sony! Sales are going to be pretty good when you "sell" your product for $0.00. It will be interesting to track sales in a month or two when all those free vouchers and bundled copies aren't there to boost figures.

Hey retard.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061031-8116.html

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 1:02 pm

Nice work there MS and Toshiba! Sales are going to be pretty good when you "sell" your product for $0.00. It will be interesting to track sales in a month or two when all those free vouchers and bundled copies aren't there to boost figures.

I wonder how Spiderman 3 will do if they give it away for free. Best "selling" HD-DVD evah! I can see the marketing hype machine cranking up right now.

I never get tired of making you look like an idiot.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » February 6, 2007, 1:04 pm

yeah, I'm sure the choice of movies are REALLY skewing the numbers...

Most people agree that as HDTV sets become more common in homes, consumers will start to demand higher resolution movies than standard DVD can offer. But that day may not be coming as fast as electronics companies are hoping. Toshiba, in an effort to spur HD DVD sales in the runup to the Christmas season, has started offering three free HD DVD movie titles with the purchase of a new HD DVD player.

Three free titles is a big incentive to buy compared to the single title that comes with Microsoft's Xbox 360 HD DVD addon or the one free movie that comes as a pack-in with Sony's PlayStation 3, but there are some caveats. The deal only applies to certain models in Toshiba's HD line—models such as the Toshiba-built RCA HDV5000 do not qualify. In addition, you won't receive the discs right away: this is a mail-in rebate offer.

The good news is that there is at least a selection of titles to choose from. Customers can pick one movie each from three categories: category A includes Apollo 13, The Chronicles of Riddick, The Rundown, Seabiscuit, and U-571. Category B features Blazing Saddles, Casablanca, Constantine, The Dukes of Hazzard, and The Perfect Storm. The final category features Four Brothers, Tomb Raider, Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, U2: Rattle and Hum, and We Were Soldiers.

Does the three-disc giveaway mean that sales of HD DVD players and movies are below expectations? Not if you ask the North American HD DVD Promotional Group. They cite a Nielsen VideoScan report that tallied DVD sell-through data up to August 2006, claiming that HD DVD sales have "outsold all other high definition formats" by a factor of three to one. They don't mention Blu-ray by name, but since it is the only other mainstream high definition video format available in stores at the moment, it's obvious what they are referring to.

But how much of an advantage do these sales represent? Again citing Nielsen ratings, they claim the average HD DVD owner has purchased 8.4 HD DVD movies to date. They state this represents an attach rate of 28 movies per year, but this is a misleading figure, as most people purchase the majority of their movies immediately after buying a new player. It does compare favorably with regular DVD attach rates of around 15 movies during the lifetime of the player, but this is to be expected for any new format.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 6, 2007, 1:07 pm

miir wrote:Nice work there MS and Toshiba! Sales are going to be pretty good when you "sell" your product for $0.00. It will be interesting to track sales in a month or two when all those free vouchers and bundled copies aren't there to boost figures.

I wonder how Spiderman 3 will do if they give it away for free. Best "selling" HD-DVD evah! I can see the marketing hype machine cranking up right now.

I never get tired of making you look like an idiot.

Except for it's a totally different story when Toshiba/M$ start to do it because Sony was already using deceitful numbers to make it look like Blu Ray is just flying off the shelves. I know you can tell the difference Miir.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 6, 2007, 1:07 pm

It took you two days to find that? The deal only applies to certain models, not the high volume models.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 6, 2007, 1:08 pm

miir wrote:Nice work there MS and Toshiba! Sales are going to be pretty good when you "sell" your product for $0.00. It will be interesting to track sales in a month or two when all those free vouchers and bundled copies aren't there to boost figures.

I wonder how Spiderman 3 will do if they give it away for free. Best "selling" HD-DVD evah! I can see the marketing hype machine cranking up right now.

I never get tired of making you look like an idiot.

Err, Spiderman 3 is a Sony Pictures movie, which means free Blu-Rays.

I think the vouchers count towards the numbers above but pack-ins(Talladega Nights/PS3, King-Kong/HD-DVD add-on) don't.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » February 6, 2007, 1:09 pm

he was just taking Winnow's earlier post and replacing Sony with MS and Toshiba

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 6, 2007, 1:12 pm

Boogahz wrote:he was just taking Winnow's earlier post and replacing Sony with MS and Toshiba

DOH!!! Missed the post =/ Ah well, will leave it up anyways for thread integrity's sake.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 1:12 pm

yeah, I'm sure the choice of movies are REALLY skewing the numbers...

People who purchased a PS3 got Tallegeda Nights and a $10 off voucher for a BluRay movie purchase.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » February 6, 2007, 1:13 pm

miir wrote:
yeah, I'm sure the choice of movies are REALLY skewing the numbers...
People who purchased a PS3 got Tallegeda Nights and a $10 off voucher for a BluRay movie purchase.

Did you look at the titles available? I am, of course, assuming that the voucher is good on any BluRay movie.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 1:17 pm

Except for it's a totally different story when Toshiba/M$ start to do it because Sony was already using deceitful numbers to make it look like Blu Ray is just flying off the shelves. I know you can tell the difference Miir.

Oh look, another 360 fanboy retard who can't read.

Toshiba and MS were giving away free HD-DVDs MONTHS before the PS3 was even released.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 6, 2007, 1:21 pm

Boogahz wrote:
miir wrote:
yeah, I'm sure the choice of movies are REALLY skewing the numbers...
People who purchased a PS3 got Tallegeda Nights and a $10 off voucher for a BluRay movie purchase.
Did you look at the titles available? I am, of course, assuming that the voucher is good on any BluRay movie.

Just so I can add something actually relevant today:

There are now more Blu-Ray titles available as of today than there are HD-DVD titles.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/05/hd ... -6th-2007/

More players sold(thx to the PS3), more titles available as well. Looks like the trojan horse method still works great.

The sooner we can finally get past this silly little conflict and choose a format the better.

All that will be missing is the 200$ 360 Blu-Ray addon once HD-DVD dies.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 1:24 pm

Boogahz wrote:
miir wrote:
yeah, I'm sure the choice of movies are REALLY skewing the numbers...
People who purchased a PS3 got Tallegeda Nights and a $10 off voucher for a BluRay movie purchase.
Did you look at the titles available? I am, of course, assuming that the voucher is good on any BluRay movie.

$10 off is not quite the same as 3 (virtually) guaranteed sales.

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So you guys (winnow, funk, etc) are saying it's OK for Toshiba to give away 3 movies with a HD-DVD purchase... and for MS to give away a movie with the HD-DVD addon.

And that those freebies didn't skew sales numbers in any way.. even for the months they were doing it..

But the moment you get wind of Sony doing the same thing (even to a lesser extent) with the PS3, they are the only ones being dishonest and trying to artificially skew the sal3es numbers for BluRay.

It's like you retards have some vested interest in Sony and the PS3 failing. It's like you take this shit personally.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 6, 2007, 1:25 pm

miir wrote:
Except for it's a totally different story when Toshiba/M$ start to do it because Sony was already using deceitful numbers to make it look like Blu Ray is just flying off the shelves. I know you can tell the difference Miir.
Oh look, another 360 fanboy retard who can't read.

Toshiba and MS were giving away free HD-DVDs MONTHS before the PS3 was even released.

Toshiba may have been doing it but the only HD-DVD I recall MS giving away was King Kong. And the add-on was released on Nov 14th to the PS3's Nov 17th release date in the US.

Months indeed.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 6, 2007, 1:39 pm

Animalor ftw. Miir, first of all I wasn't the one that started this argument or presented any facts. Second of all, the PS3 is a shithole console made by a shithole company and im just sick of seeing you defend it just to piss people off.

In case you haven't noticed, people arguing for the 360 have been making valid points in the interest of making a valid point, not in the interest of pissing someone else off.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » February 6, 2007, 1:44 pm

who gives a shit? they're just video game consoles! there's no reason to be pissed off.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 2:17 pm

Animalor ftw.

That's mature.
Are you like 14 years old?

Miir, first of all I wasn't the one that started this argument or presented any facts. Second of all, the PS3 is a shithole console made by a shithole company and im just sick of seeing you defend it just to piss people off.

In case you haven't noticed, people arguing for the 360 have been making valid points in the interest of making a valid point, not in the interest of pissing someone else off.

You were the fanboy retard who said that Sony was:

using deceitful numbers to make it look like Blu Ray is just flying off the sheves

What is deceitful about bundling movies and vouchers with a PS3 purchase? Every company who has a vested interest in these HD formats is obviously going to do anything they can to ensure that their format gains a larger market share. It's just good business sense.

And you know what... the PS3 is a good console. The 360 is a good console. The Wii is a good console.

Nobody is forcing you to buy (or even like) one console or the other.

I'm just providing facts to counter the biased crap that the 360 fanby retards are spewing in this thread. It's obvious to everyone who reads this forum who the 360 fanboy retards are... they faggot up every PS3 thread with thier bile.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » February 6, 2007, 2:19 pm

miir wrote:I'm just providing facts...

um, really? Where?

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 2:19 pm

Toshiba may have been doing it but the only HD-DVD I recall MS giving away was King Kong. And the add-on was released on Nov 14th to the PS3's Nov 17th release date in the US.

Yea, that's funny.

I say something that's not 100% wholly accurate and you pick it apart.
Winnow spews his bullshit and you guys swallow it like a load of jizz.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 2:20 pm

Boogahz wrote:
miir wrote:I'm just providing facts...
um, really? Where?

Uh, that Sony isn't the only company giving away movies with the purchase of a player.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 2:25 pm

Winnow wrote:It took you two days to find that? The deal only applies to certain models, not the high volume models.

Yes it does, retard.

The following models qualify:

HD-A1
HD-XA1
HD-D1
HD-A2
HD-A2W
HD-XA2
HD-D2

That's their entire model line.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 2:38 pm

And now that we got that out of the way... chew on this.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_i ... tory=12660
Sony: PS3 Drives Blu-ray Sales, Format Beating HD-DVD

http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/02/son ... rivin.html
Blu-ray has surpassed HD-DVD in cumulative sales
Blu-ray titles outsold HD-DVD titles by more than a two-to-one margin during the first week of January (47.14 HD DVD titles for every 100 Blu-ray titles

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Another interesting bit of info:

Two and a half months afvter release, the PS3 has sold roughy 2 million units.
Two and a half months after release, the 360 sold about 900k units.

If that makes the PS3 a failure, what is the 360?

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 6, 2007, 2:51 pm

You are putting entirely too much effort into this, Miir.

Just curious, but where are you getting your numbers for units sold? Last time I heard (a few weeks ago) the PS3 was under a half a million units sold. You might want to link another article for that one.

Oh and to answer your question at the end of your post - I don't need to get into this with you - I can assure you that the PS3 isn't - at ANY point going to surpass total sales for the 360, and DEFINATELY not the Wii..

That is all that matters in the end, so check back with me in a year or so - and we will see who gets to laugh at who.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 2:53 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Just curious, but where are you getting your numbers for units sold? Last time I heard (a few weeks ago) the PS3 was under a half a million units sold. You might want to link another article for that one.

Learn to google, retard.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 6, 2007, 2:56 pm

miir wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:Just curious, but where are you getting your numbers for units sold? Last time I heard (a few weeks ago) the PS3 was under a half a million units sold. You might want to link another article for that one.
Learn to google, retard.

I don't want to research how many units have been sold, that was your job to do to support what you were saying and not make it look like you are stating bullshit facts.. but who is the retard?

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 2:58 pm

Winnow wrote:Drum roll please...

Here are the top ten for the week of January 15 through January 21. (Japan)

1. .hack//G.U. Vol. 3 (PS2) - 136,790 / new
2. Wario: The Seven (DS) - 91,249 / new
3. Shining Force EXA (PS2) - 72,306 / new
4. Wii Sports (WII) - 57,418 / 851,535
5. Wii Play (WII) - 45,724 / 764,813
6. Dragon Shadow Spell (PS2) - 40,541 / new
7. Gears of War (360) - 33,212 / new
8. Seikaiju Maze (DS) - 32,511 / new
9. Common Knowledge Training (DS) - 31,735 / 1,130,647
10. More Brain Age (DS) - 29,626 / 3,868,279

January 22 - 28, 2007
1. 227,261 - Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2)
2. 103,706 - Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker (DS)
3. 77,229 - Romance of the Three Kingdoms Wars (DS)
4. 71,794 - Picross (DS)
5. 59,379 - Hotel Dusk: Room 215 (DS)
6. 58,886 - Wii Sports (Wii)
7. 47,350 - Wario: Master of Disguise (DS)
8. 43,612 - Wii Play (Wii)
9. 41,411 - Pachitte Chonmage Tatsujin 10 (PS2)
10. 34,028 - Brain Training 2 (DS)
...
15. Idolmaster (X360)
29. Enchant Arm (PS3)

Not surprisingly, GOW dropped right off.
No blockbusters for the PS3 on the horizon so it's probably gonna be a Nintendo dominated top 10 for a while.

I'm actually shocked that GTA:SA is number 1.
I would never have thought a game like that would do that well in Japan.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 6, 2007, 2:59 pm

miir wrote:
Toshiba may have been doing it but the only HD-DVD I recall MS giving away was King Kong. And the add-on was released on Nov 14th to the PS3's Nov 17th release date in the US.
I say something that's not 100% wholly accurate and you pick it apart.

That's usually the way things roll around here. I'll usually counter any blatent lie on either side if I know the actual facts if I know em or can find them online. I'm not gonna apologise for that.

I make no secret that I own and like the 360. I've also never really made it a secret that there are PS3 games I would like to play(and if the machine ever makes the sub 249$ cdn price point I may pick it up) and I'm very reticent on anything Wii.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 6, 2007, 3:01 pm

I can't believe that people are still buying GTA..

Oh, and GOW still has sold a huge amount of copies (regardless of what it sold this week.) and will probably outsell every PS3 game that is released until FF XXXXXXVIIII , so I don't know what the snide remark was about.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 6, 2007, 3:05 pm

miir wrote: Not surprisingly, GOW dropped right off.
No blockbusters for the PS3 on the horizon so it's probably gonna be a Nintendo dominated top 10 for a while.

I'm actually shocked that GTA:SA is number 1.
I would never have thought a game like that would do that well in Japan.

Animalor wrote: Posted: January 25, 2007, 3:13 pm Post subject:

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Let's not celebrate too quickly. Blue Dragon did the same thing the week it came out then dropped out of the top 50 the week after. A spike is good, sustained sales is better.

I called the GoW spike right on the money it seems.

About 30% of the install base bought GoW(same approx number around the world) and then it was done.

Frankly, I have no idea what can turn things around for the 360 in Japan anymore.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 3:09 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:I don't want to research how many units have been sold, that was your job to do to support what you were saying and not make it look like you are stating bullshit facts.. but who is the retard?

In the time it took you to mash your face on the keyboard to make that post, you could have googled PS3 + units sold and found out that the PS3 has sold over 600k units in Japan alone.

In the time it took to wipe the drool off your chin, you could have found out that by early January, the PS3 had sold over 1 million units in North America.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 3:13 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Oh, and GOW still has sold a huge amount of copies (regardless of what it sold this week.) and will probably outsell every PS3 game that is released until FF XXXXXXVIIII , so I don't know what the snide remark was about.

Why don't you actually read the thread before of posting your retard-rage comments?

Those are sales charts from JAPAN.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » February 6, 2007, 3:14 pm

And if you looked closely to that google result you would see the top article that says that 4 Wii's have been sold for every PS3!

just a fun fact.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 3:15 pm

Zamtuk wrote:And if you looked closely to that google result you would see the top article that says that 4 Wii's have been sold for every PS3!

just a fun fact.

Yea, the Wii is a fucking monster!
Good on them coming back so strong after the uninspiring Gamecube.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 6, 2007, 3:23 pm

miir wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:Oh, and GOW still has sold a huge amount of copies (regardless of what it sold this week.) and will probably outsell every PS3 game that is released until FF XXXXXXVIIII , so I don't know what the snide remark was about.
Why don't you actually read the thread before of posting your retard-rage comments?

Those are sales charts from JAPAN.

I don't care what your article was about chief, my main concern and all I have commented on in any thread regarding this topic is the overall sales (worldwide).

It's kind of cute how you are resorting to name calling and shit because you just can't accept that you won't change my mind (or most of the other people you are directing your posts at, for that matter) no matter how hard you try.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 3:25 pm

Oh and to answer your question at the end of your post - I don't need to get into this with you - I can assure you that the PS3 isn't - at ANY point going to surpass total sales for the 360, and DEFINATELY not the Wii..

That is all that matters in the end, so check back with me in a year or so - and we will see who gets to laugh at who.

Just caught that edit.

Your ignorance is really quite amusing.

The 360 has failed miserably making any sort of headway into the international market. The sales an Asia have been an unmitigated disaster and Euope has been lukewarm at best.

I don't deny that the 360 is very strong in North America.

Once the PS3 gets some high profile releases, I predict the sales charts will tip in it's favour. By the end of the year, I would be surprised if the PS3's total sales aren't well beyond the 360s.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 3:28 pm

Funkmasterr wrote: I don't care what your article was about chief, my main concern and all I have commented on in any thread regarding this topic is the overall sales (worldwide).

It's kind of cute how you are resorting to name calling and shit because you just can't accept that you won't change my mind (or most of the other people you are directing your posts at, for that matter) no matter how hard you try.

I'm resorting to name calling because you're being a fucking dolt.

It's obvious that your mind can't be changed... so I'm not even trying... I'm just helping you make yourself look stupid.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 6, 2007, 3:31 pm

Zamtuk wrote:And if you looked closely to that google result you would see the top article that says that 4 Wii's have been sold for every PS3!

just a fun fact.

And also for the previous week the PS2 outsold the PS3 in Japan.

Just an amusing fact.

(And yes both outsold the 360. Just had to throw that in to save us from another miir post.)

miir · Post by **miir** » February 6, 2007, 3:33 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Zamtuk wrote:And if you looked closely to that google result you would see the top article that says that 4 Wii's have been sold for every PS3!

just a fun fact.
And also for the previous week the PS2 outsold the PS3 in Japan.

Just an amusing fact.

(And yes both outsold the 360. Just had to throw that in to save us from another miir post.)

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 6, 2007, 3:43 pm

miir wrote:
Oh and to answer your question at the end of your post - I don't need to get into this with you - I can assure you that the PS3 isn't - at ANY point going to surpass total sales for the 360, and DEFINATELY not the Wii..

That is all that matters in the end, so check back with me in a year or so - and we will see who gets to laugh at who.
Just caught that edit.

Your ignorance is really quite amusing.

The 360 has failed miserably making any sort of headway into the international market. The sales an Asia have been an unmitigated disaster and Euope has been lukewarm at best.

I don't deny that the 360 is very strong in North America.

Once the PS3 gets some high profile releases, I predict the sales charts will tip in it's favour. By the end of the year, I would be surprised if the PS3's total sales aren't well beyond the 360s.

While it is obvious that the Japanese market is somewhat important (if M$ is making an effort to try and penetrate it) the Euro + Japanese market combined sells about the same as the U.S. (I think im fairly close on this one, although I may be wrong.) So even if the 360 just does OK in those markets, and wins in the US market, how is that a formula for a win for the PS3...

Oh, and btw.. Dolt, cockface, idiot, retard, moron, etc, etc.. I got all of the name calling out of the way for you, so just skip to making a valid response to my statement.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 6, 2007, 4:07 pm

More good news for the 360:

Microsoft has replaced the current Toshiba-Samsung and Hitachi-LG drives with BenQ VAD6038 DVD drives in the Xbox 360 consoles manufactured in November 2006 onward. According to user reports, the new Philips-based drive is extremely quiet compared to its predecessor and even loads games faster. The fact that Microsoft is making hardware changes to its console results in a few questions. What else will they change? Maybe a bigger hard disk drive? Is the Zephyr really coming?

The faster loading 360 optical drive gets quieter and even faster.

Maybe PS3 will fix its laundry list of faults which make it not much more than a hard to program group of random hi tech parts thrown together into a big black box atm.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » February 6, 2007, 4:20 pm

Animalor wrote:Frankly, I have no idea what can turn things around for the 360 in Japan anymore.

Evidently, not an RPG, which was my original thought on what could break them out of third place. When their staple genre games spike and fade out, its not really a positive sign. Frankly, MS needs to make more games like Piniata, Oblivion, and some other high profile PC ports. It needs a unique signature title. Failing that, Bill Gates needs to buy Square/Enix and make them his bitch.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » February 6, 2007, 4:20 pm

This thread desperately needs to be retitled. To think they used to talk about the PS3 here.