Question about the new version of the xbox360~

Ryuda_69 · Post by **Ryuda_69** » January 27, 2007, 2:32 pm

Does anyone have any infoz as to the new version of the xbox 360 thats supposed to be coming out? Any info on it would be great as i haven't read or heard much about it other than the fact that its going to have IPTV capabilities.

The reason i ask is because a friend of mine found some dude selling Premium package 360's on craigs list for 300 bucks flat. So i figured i could get one as well and save me about $150 bucks. But now i can't decide if i should jump on this deal now... or wait for the new version of the 360 if it will be much better. If i could get this 360 now and later have the ability to upgrade it to the same lvl of the new 360's then great, but if not then i guess i'll be forced to wait for the new ones.

I hung out with a few friends last night, and before the end of the night my eyes were shot from playing long hours of Gears of War(drool), Rainbow 6 Vegas(shootin peeps from outside a window upside down while being cursed at in spanish is ghetto to the tenth powah), and the snowy goodness that is Lost Planet.

So it's needless to say that i want a 360 like YESTERDAY hehe.

Oh yeah, the dude selling them on craigs list is totally legit... meaning that my friend didn't come home to open a 360 box with wrapping paper and a brick inside hehe~

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 27, 2007, 3:00 pm

A 360 hardware revision has been nothing but rumor as of last news. Some of the vids seen online had apparently been the result of MS in-house R&D and nothing planned for production or retail.

MS will be coming out with a 360 this summer that uses a new cooler processor (different type of engineering) however that's most likely 6 months down the road at the very least.

If you want a 360 and have the money for it, I say go for it now. Just make sure that the unit you buy off Craigs list has warrenty.

Ryuda_69 · Post by **Ryuda_69** » January 27, 2007, 3:23 pm

Thanks for the Infoz animalor~

Good point about the warranty. As a matter of fact, when my friend bought his off craig's list he confirmed that the box was still factory sealed, and when he took it home he made sure to pull out the papers and register it that same night which he said went well. So now he has his xbox360 registered for two years, and it cost him something like 50 bucks or so... which is weird cause i thought that warranty was free? or do you only get a free 90 day warranty?

Either way... i think i'm getting a shiny new 360 today =D

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 27, 2007, 5:12 pm

Ryuda_69 wrote:Does anyone have any infoz as to the new version of the xbox 360 thats supposed to be coming out? Any info on it would be great as i haven't read or heard much about it other than the fact that its going to have IPTV capabilities.

Current 360's with 20MB HDs will have IPTV capabilities as well. They are also raising the maximum Live Arcade game size from 50mb to 450mb.

Although IPTV, HD Movie downloads, and larger Live Arcade Games are possible on the 20GB, all I see on 360 forums and websites are people wanting a larger HD. 120GB sounds reasonable and can't be too far down the road from being introduced.

I still think the new console with the new cooler running CPU, HDMI and 120 GB will take the place of the 399.00 console with the 20GB dropping to 299.00 and maybe the non HD version going away, or dropping to 199.00, maybe to compete with the Wii pricing.

I plan to get another 360 with the new CPU/larger HD/HDMI combo. I like the IPTV/HD movie download capability but my current 360 is so loud it would be distracting while watching TV/Movies. With the new CPU generating less heat, I'd hope the console would also require less cooling and possibly a slightly redesigned fan/cooling system to quiet things even more. The newer 360 DVD drives are quieter than the originals as well.

I wouldn't expect a built in HD-DVD drive unless they can get it to transfer data as fast as their current DVD drive for games...otherwise they'd make the mistake Sony did with extended load times.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 27, 2007, 7:33 pm

Not sure it will have HDMI. Thought I read somewhere that MS squashed that rumor. I could be mistaken though.

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » January 27, 2007, 7:43 pm

They said that it was internet rumor nothing more. They said the pics were from R&D and not an upcoming system.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 27, 2007, 9:38 pm

Denadeb wrote:They said that it was internet rumor nothing more. They said the pics were from R&D and not an upcoming system.

Agreed, but the first rule of marketing is don't admit that anything new is coming down the pipeline while you're trying to sell units currently available. The "waiting for next model" consumer thought process is very real.

There was probably no iPhone until it was announced this month either.

I'm not sure on HDMI either but the larger HD, and 65nm CPU is a for sure thing. I wouldnt' admit to anything either until I was sure they were being produced reliably in quantity or you run into Sony's Cell Processor manufacturing issues that casts doubt on your company's competency after false promises of a trillion units per month being pumped out don't materialize.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 27, 2007, 11:10 pm

I love how people are lining up in order to spend hundreds of dollars just to buy what's already included with PS3, while whining about the price of PS3 on the other side of their mouths.

Can't wait to spend 250 bucks on a 100 gig "microsoft approved" HDD and anothter 200 on a HD DVD player!!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 28, 2007, 12:46 am

Shows how bad the PS3 is put together...it's not what it has, it how well what it has is integrated and how functional the software is...and I'll bet that Microsoft will be able to include what Sony had but with twice the hard drive size for a few hundred less and still not require anything retarded like plugging in controllers to resync them.

Just sample the people on this message board and expand it to the general population...they are blowing their wads over standard definition Wii graphics. Christ knows they won't know the difference between component and HDMI HD.

At least Microsoft is working on real improvements instead of Sony scrambling to release fixes that allow people to scale games to the capability of their TVs or tripling data on their dog slow Blue Ray disks trying to speed them up to an acceptable level. Maybe someday the PS3 will at least work as originally intended. That would be a start.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 28, 2007, 1:23 am

that was a pretty fucking lousy retort even for a drooling fantard like yourself. yeah, I can't wait to spend another 500 bucks on my 360 just to give it the same hardware functionality as my PS3. oh right, it still won't have HDMI or true 1080p.

doesn't have the software? what the christ? there's a fucking option in PS3 dash to INSTALL ANOTHER OS. hope you enjoy that DRM content MS will shove down your throats. they've already started making you shell out nine bucks a month for XBL Gold just to download new demos now. lol

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 28, 2007, 2:08 am

You need to be able to install another OS on it because the one it comes with sucks.

Lets not forget that the supposed better, and certainly more expensive PS3 system, still isn't making games look or play better, and most of the time they play worse than on the 360 before even getting into online gameplay.

For example, the upcoming Major League 2K7:

http://sports.ign.com/articles/757/757962p1.html

3. Other Differences Between the PS3 and 360

The 360 version simply looks better. The colors pop. The animations, at this point, run smoother. So much for spending $600.

To top it off, while full 30-man online leagues will be available on the 360, right now the PS3 plan is for up to 12-man leagues (although the team is pushing hard to get 30-man teams in the PS3 version as well, but it might be too much to ask).

What do you get if you're a PS3 owner? You get the ability to swing your bat by pushing the controller forward in a motion like you're sliding the soup back to the waiter because you just found a fly in your minestrone. First swing I took with the PS3 controller, I hit a homerun. Does that mean it's too easy? We'll wait and see, but something like this, in my opinion, would be better off left to the homerun derby. If you're preaching authenticity, it seems contradictory to then all of a sudden tell people that they have hold the controller flat out in front of their body then push it forward to swing. At least when you're playing Wii Sports, you're swinging the controller like a bat. Here, something about the experience just seems awkward. You can keep the soup.

and what's this? PS3 not having Rumble isn't a big deal?

One thing about location and gameplay that's missing on the PS3, though, is the ability to feel the location of your pitches through the rumble. Obviously, there is no rumble on the PS3 controller, so how are you supposed to hide your location from the batter by using the rumble to know when you're out of the strike zone? IGN's own Hilary Goldstein brought this up during the demo and it was something I never even thought about before, but he's right. PS3 owners are going to have a hell of a time hiding their pitch location in 2-player contests unless 2K comes up with a new way for pitchers to know when they're moving out of the zone.

Sounds like a great console!

Slow loading, crappy sync issues, dual platform games that look better on, gasp, the 360...what do Sony fanboys have to chirp about except for the fewer and fewer exclusive games...better hope they keep FF and MGS because they'd probably be completed faster and look better elsewhere. 1080p? lol, I'd like to see Sony at least put out the same quality 720P games as the 360.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 28, 2007, 9:41 am

..it still won't have HDMI or true 1080p.

The 360 does do native 1080p, the problem is that it is limited because of the lack of an HDMI or TV's that will support a 1080p signal through Analog.

If you have a TV that accepts 1008p over an analog/VGA connection, then you'll be able to get 1080p for HD-DVD movies/gaming.

EndGadget has the only decent breakdown I was able to find online.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/09/21/xb ... 1080p-vga/

VGA:
HD DVD - 1080p resolution and all others
DVD - Upscaled as high as 1080p resolution and all others
Games - 720p games upscaled to 1080p, also supports native-1080p games in the future

Component:
HD DVD - 1080i resolution maximum, limited by AACS
DVD - Upscaled to 480p maximum, limited by CSS
Games - 720p games upscaled to 1080p, also supports native-1080p games in the future

Kooky's partially right. The 360 CAN do native 1080p but it's just extremely limited due to the lack of an HDMI port and the fact that most TV's won't accept the way the 360 supplies the signal.

I think the more interesting discussion would be "Will a higher % of PS3 games actually start using 1080p in the near future?"
Or do devs agree with MS that 720p is truly the sweet spot for performance/graphics balance this gen.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 28, 2007, 3:52 pm

you two troll's arguments are getting worse and worse. hurr hurr games made for 360 and then ported over in 20 minutes by some junior intern at EA look better on the system it was originally made for. YOU DON'T SAY?

wow, so I guess Xbox 360 does do 1080p. There just aren't any TV's that let it! OH OKAY THEN!

My original point in this thread still stands. You can't make threads about how great all these worthless fucking addons are in one thread and complain about the price of anything else in another thread. this is exactly what you dumb fuckers are doing. I'm not even trying to defend PS3; I could care less. Being over the age 14 I really don't see a point. I've just decided to make it my mission to fucking ruin every single 360 thread until you two tards get the fucking message. if the two of you can't afford a PS3, that's great. You can't afford this shit then, either. QUIT FUCKING TROLLING

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » January 28, 2007, 4:25 pm

kyoukan wrote:QUIT FUCKING TROLLING

Pot, meet Kettle.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 28, 2007, 4:25 pm

That's what I like to see! A total break down.

The waffling starts. The distancing from the PS3 starts. Sweet.

Add ons wasn't the discussion. The 360 works great as is and has nice "new", not fixes, features being added. When a new 360 is released, it will include upgraded parts and still be the same price as Microsoft was smart enough to wait until they could offer them at the sweet spot price for game consoles while still selling millions of consoles with a year head start, easier development, better tools, better online, better looking games, and better integration. If there is a 120GB or 200GB hard drive offered, I'll bet you an Eskimo Pie that it will cost the same as the 20GB one available today. If Sony ever gets anywhere close to the price of a 360, Microsoft has the bucket loads of cash to compete although it doesn't look like they have to anytime soon.

I guess we're down to cheerleading 1080P! Oh no! .01% of the population is concerned with that and .001% would actually notice the difference between component and HDMI. Still, the 360 will have it when those bazillion Wii owners decide that 480P isn't old news...like 20 years from now when 2160P is being hyped.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » January 28, 2007, 4:34 pm

I like the price vs stats on the 360 because it lets me get things gradually. I dont need anything bigger than 20gigs yet. I dont need 1080p yet. I dont need hd dvd yet. So why pay for all those things now? Later on when I do have a need for all those, one simple add on and im done.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 28, 2007, 7:17 pm

The first time I've ever seen someone blow a gasket like that when someone agreed with them(even though it was bundled with a slight correction).

I thought people from BC were supposed to be mellow.

Feel free to use that mildly witty bile on any thread I create. I welcome the hate.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » January 28, 2007, 7:17 pm

Animalor wrote:The first time I've ever seen someone blow a gasket like that when someone agreed with them(even though it was bundled with a slight correction).

She doesn't actually read the posts, or she might have realized that.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 29, 2007, 1:23 pm

I am actually hoping that the new 360 that comes out later in the year replaces the premium console that is out now, so that I can just break mine and use my warranty to get the new one.

I do like the idea of a bigger hard drive though, I would probably keep more stuff on there, and would actually experiment with the movie/tv downloading a bit more (im still waiting for heroes to be on xbl). As it stands now, once I am done with a demo/video I delete it, but the biggest problem I see with the small hard drive is game expansions. For example, the expansion to oblivion I would bet is going to be a download and will take up 1/4 of the current hard drive space, which sucks.

Oh and kooky, XBL is not 9 dollars a month - it's like 6. Not to mention if you pay yearly it's even cheaper. And that isn't to mention that you saying that you pay that just to download demos is ridiculous.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 29, 2007, 1:41 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:I am actually hoping that the new 360 that comes out later in the year replaces the premium console that is out now, so that I can just break mine and use my warranty to get the new one.

For that reason, Microsoft will probably keep selling the premium console at a cheaper rate to avoid people taking advantage of the system.

The mentality that companies aren't allowed to improve their products without a massive wave of people that already purchased a product knowing full well it's capabilities at the time is hell on companies and totally unjustified.

The more I think about it, I think Microsoft is going to push the IPTV (which looks awesome in the video demos I've seen) and introduce a 360TV version of some sort. Bill Gates is already making public statements about how normal TV as we know it will be dead in five years so the hype engine is gearing up.

On another note, hard drives aren't married to consoles so if a larger HD does become available, people that want to, could give them to friends that have the basic 360 console, sell them on eBay for a few bucks, or use them to store additional movies/demos, etc. At least they won't be totally useless.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 29, 2007, 2:19 pm

Winnow wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:I am actually hoping that the new 360 that comes out later in the year replaces the premium console that is out now, so that I can just break mine and use my warranty to get the new one.
For that reason, Microsoft will probably keep selling the premium console at a cheaper rate to avoid people taking advantage of the system.

The mentality that companies aren't allowed to improve their products without a massive wave of people that already purchased a product knowing full well it's capabilities at the time is hell on companies and totally unjustified.

The more I think about it, I think Microsoft is going to push the IPTV (which looks awesome in the video demos I've seen) and introduce a 360TV version of some sort. Bill Gates is already making public statements about how normal TV as we know it will be dead in five years so the hype engine is gearing up.

On another note, hard drives aren't married to consoles so if a larger HD does become available, people that want to, could give them to friends that have the basic 360 console, sell them on eBay for a few bucks, or use them to store additional movies/demos, etc. At least they won't be totally useless.

I disagree with you, I don't think that it is reasonable to think that most people are going to want to (or be able to afford to) buy a new version of the console for a few features, when the main functionality of it (games) is staying the same. Now if I am able to upgrade my current console to have these things for a reasonable price (definately less then half what it would cost me to buy the new box) then it wouldn't be such a big deal.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 29, 2007, 3:06 pm

Looks like you can swap out the drive that came with it with another.. So if you were inclined it sounds like you could have multiple drives lying around. Not sure on how practical it is though just found it interesting.

http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=46159

This is a work around, same as the DVD signatures.. Basically you can go out and buy a 500gb WD SATA BEVS series drive and format it for 20gb use. As MS increases HDD size limit (provided they make the drives compatible with the old model xboxes without changing anything in kernel to block this hack) You will be able to dump data from drive, load to the new drive and run the utility again to sign it to the new size.

I highly doubt MS will release a 200GB drive now without doing major changes in how it talks to the xbox.. as they can easily force another firmware update to use them, and have more signatures/checks on the drive before recognizing it.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 29, 2007, 3:29 pm

Just a question about the slow loading that winnow has latched onto regarding the PS3.

Do you have any load time comparisons between the 360 and PS3?
I was playing a firends PS3 on the weekend and the load times were anything but slow on every game I played.

I know one single programmer from Bethesda claimed that load times in Oblivioon were actually slower than on the 360, but they were putting HD caching in to alleviate the issue.
So theoretically, the hardware in the PS3 will allow it to have faster loading times than the 360... provided the developers actually take advantage of it.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 29, 2007, 3:31 pm

That was a rhetorical question.

I don't expect winnow to provide any comparisons to back up his rumors about long load times on the PS3.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 29, 2007, 3:40 pm

miir wrote:That was a rhetorical question.

I don't expect winnow to provide any comparisons to back up his rumors about long load times on the PS3.

I'm glad you are so confident that you are right. My personal experience from having played games on both systems is that the PS3 load times seem to be longer, and I can actually time it out at my friends house side by side, but until Oblivion comes out its hard to make an accurate comparison on load times.

I guess we'll see.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 29, 2007, 4:07 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:I'm glad you are so confident that you are right. My personal experience from having played games on both systems is that the PS3 load times seem to be longer, and I can actually time it out at my friends house side by side, but until Oblivion comes out its hard to make an accurate comparison on load times.

I guess we'll see.

Confident?
Actually, I really don't give a fuck.

Load times for any of the games I've played on both the 360 and PS3 are inconsequential.

One programmer saying that one game on the PS3 has longer load times than 360 doesn't hold much weight... How much longer are the load times? a half second? 5 seconds? 30 seconds?

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 29, 2007, 4:16 pm

I am just kind of trying to be a pain in the ass like everyone else here. I really could give a shit less about load times and don't see why they are that important, unless the load time on the 360 was 5 seconds, and PS3 was 45 seconds or something (which I don't think it's that drastic).

I just figure if no one is really going to make any valid points and just keep playing console swords, I'll just join in.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 29, 2007, 4:17 pm

The Xbox 360 uses a 12x DVD drive with transfer speeds at 16MB/second, whereas Sony are using a 2x speed BD drive, with speeds of 9 MB/second.

Pretty straight forward to see the speed difference.

If you're going to have to offload data to the hard drive, why use an expensive large capacity Blu Ray? Put the data on .02 cent DVDs and load it onto the HD.

I'll take speed over capacity. Perhaps this will change with next generation of Blu Ray players...but then that's an "upgrade" and kyoukan would get her panties in a bunch...around that time, 360 would offer a speedy HD-DVD internal drive.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 29, 2007, 4:42 pm

Pretty straight forward to see the speed difference.

Actually, it's not that straightforward at all.

The speed on the BluRay drive is consistent across the entire surface of the disc.
The speed on the DVD drive maxes out on the outer ring at 12x. The inner ring reads at about 5x.
The DVD on the 360 reads dual layers DVDs at 8x max.

A 12x DVD drive will give an average speed of around 8.7X, or 11.5 MBps.
A 8x DVD drive will give an average speed of around 5.8x or 7.7MBps
A 2x BluRay drive will give an consistent speed of 2x, or 9MBps

Another interesting point to ponder is that the DVDs for the 360 don't use the inner and outrmost rings on the disc. The means that you're not getting anywhere near the 12x max speed. It also means that as games become larger (esp with HD textures and assets) you will start seeing more games on dual layer discs, further crippling what miniscule speed advantage the 360 currently has.

I'll take speed over capacity

Do you ever develop your own opinions or do you just parrot what you read?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 29, 2007, 5:05 pm

Even with your fancy stats, the 360's drive is still faster.

Bethesda wouldn't be whining about it if it wasn't a problem.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 29, 2007, 5:13 pm

Even with your fancy stats, the 360's drive is still faster.

Best case scenario, it will have a 25% advantage.
With dual layer media, it will have a 20% disadvantage.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 29, 2007, 5:36 pm

miir wrote:
Even with your fancy stats, the 360's drive is still faster.
Best case scenario, it will have a 25% advantage.
With dual layer media, it will have a 20% disadvantage.

Maybe a future upgrade to 4X BD will make it faster but we're talking about the present:

miir · Post by **miir** » January 29, 2007, 6:12 pm

edit: nevermind, I'm not gonna bother discussing this with a moron.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 29, 2007, 6:50 pm

Xanupox · Post by **Xanupox** » January 30, 2007, 4:22 am

My TV has 2 RGB Component inputs, 2 HDMI, 1 PC, 3 Composite and a couple other that slip my mind.

Samsung 46" LCD TV. It is about 3k$ right now, you may be able to get it cheaper depending where you go.

I have my 360 hooked up via PC analong cable, I play all my games in full 1900x1080 resolution. 1080p.

I have my Wii hooked up via RGB component playing widescreen 480p.

I use the 360 as a DVD player over the PC input, the 360 upconverts all standard DVDs over PC cable to 1080p, but it is converted not as sharp as HD-DVD.

My next buy will be the add-on HD-DVD drive for my 360, once Blockbuster starts carrying some HD-DVD rentals. Until then it would be a waste, me for, as I do not buy movies.

Overall I am extremely pleased with my audio/visual setup. The 360 is really at the core of it too... especially the upconverting of standard DVDs over that PC input to my LCD TV.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 30, 2007, 8:09 am

What model Samsung are you using Xanupox?

I'll be in the market for an HDTV later this year and I'm keeping my options open as to what I'm going to get.

Odds are I won't spend the money to get 1080p but you never know.

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » January 30, 2007, 12:43 pm

kyoukan wrote:I love how people are lining up in order to spend hundreds of dollars just to buy what's already included with PS3, while whining about the price of PS3 on the other side of their mouths.

Can't wait to spend 250 bucks on a 100 gig "microsoft approved" HDD and anothter 200 on a HD DVD player!!

For many people, not all, the 360 is already purchased and is thus a sunk cost. The upgrades are cheaper than a new PS3, so they make sense.

I personally don't have a 1080 TV and likely won't for 2-3 years. I play live arcade as much or more than the actual games, so I am excited about seeing the changes.

Xanupox · Post by **Xanupox** » January 31, 2007, 11:06 am

Animalor wrote:What model Samsung are you using Xanupox?

I'll be in the market for an HDTV later this year and I'm keeping my options open as to what I'm going to get.

Odds are I won't spend the money to get 1080p but you never know.

This model : Samsung LN-S4695DX, The hidden built in speakers are nice and crisp but provide enough deep sound that I hardly turn on my actual reciever/7 speakers around the room. All the connections also make it easy to hook everything up, even has digital audio out or a headphone jack so you can play Xbox all night and not wake anyone up.

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDT ... 5DXXAA.asp

Midgen · Post by **Midgen** » February 2, 2007, 5:28 am

Highly recommended

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-HL-S5687W ... lectronics
$1150 for the 50"
$1400 for the 56"

And 360 looks spectacular at 1080p over VGA. =)

Knarlz · Post by **Knarlz** » February 2, 2007, 11:33 am

Midgen wrote:Highly recommended

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-HL-S5687W ... lectronics
$1150 for the 50"
$1400 for the 56"

And 360 looks spectacular at 1080p over VGA. =)

Hmm that is finally below the pricepoint I am looking for , reviews are good but the 56" is listed at 1670$ on amazon though, Best Buy is at 2088$ plus tax.

The 50" is 1400$ at amazon atm.

Xanupox · Post by **Xanupox** » February 3, 2007, 1:24 am

I would be very careful of DLP.

It is the upfront lower cost solution to large screen 1080p HDTV, however the back-costs associated with them is something you need to consider.

Most of us have in all had the standard tube tv, the good ole Trinitrons, etc. Those TVs used to cost over 1k$, but that was the only cost. They usually lasted 10+ years or till when you just chucked them in the trash. No hidden costs.

DLP however, is very decieveing. They WILL require a bulb change at anywhere from 1000-2000 viewing hours. They do start failing as early as 500 hours. This means you may have to change the bulb as early as every 9 months, or if you are extremely lucky every 2 years.

Bulbs vary from 200-500$.... ouch.

Seeing as I expect to get at least 10 years of viewing from my new TV purchase, especially if I paid over 1k$ for it... then lets do some math.

First the extreme end for DLP, most costly bulb at the most frequent interval from a rabid TV couch potatoe.

$500 every 9 months for 10 years. That is 13.3 bulbs needed... totalling:
$6,666.66 WTF? LOL.

Ok, that was extreme, lets look at just the conservative end.
$200 cheap bulbs every 2 years... totalling:
$2000.00 WTF>???

So, even with the most conservative outlook for DLP, you are going to pay 1400-1700 up front depending on size, but then over the next 10 years... just to keep it servicable, you will have to dump at LEAST another 2,000 $ into the set? That is low, conservative end.

Lets take a median figure.... split the difference between 6,666 and 2,000 = 4,333.00 upkeep over 10 years.

My advice is to stay away from DLP and go LCD. No upkeep required and just consider how long you have had those LCD monitors on your computer, the image quality never decreases and the reliabilty is superb.

yea LCD has more of an upfront cost, but it is the ONLY cost... no upkeep.

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » February 3, 2007, 4:18 am

The problem with LCD is once you start going above 40" you pay out the ass. Over 40" Plasma is much more cost effective plus its a better picture. Granter most arn't 1080p but then again its not really that huge a deal.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 3, 2007, 4:28 am

LCD lamps are basically the same as DLP lamps, cost the same and have the same lifespan.

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