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I'm not taking it personally at all.lol.. miir takes everything so personally. Again why are people trying to make comparisons between the 360 to the PS2? I guess I'm missing the point.
Yeah, it only sold a million units a month in that period.It doesn't really look like the pricecut on the PS2 made that much of a difference although sales did seem to 'stall' after the 2001 Holidays
No doubt the price cut boosted sales, but it was selling briskly even before the price cuts.An interesting fact on those it looks like between each price cut, Sony racked up an extra 10 million units sold in the US.
Must trust the Sony brand!In an interview with Game Informer, Valve Software's chief Gabe Newell has attacked the PS3, saying that Sony should cancel it altogether and start again. Newell said:
"The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think It's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted.
I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a do over. Just say, 'This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it."
Newell was quick to point out that despite his disappointment with the PS3, it was a completely different story regarding Nintendo, saying he likes "everything that Nintendo is doing".
Newell continued,
"The happy story is the Wii, I'm betting that by Christmas of next year the Wii has a larger installed base than the 360. Other people think I'm crazy."
While the PS3 launch and game line-up has been far from impressive thus far, it's rediculous for Newell to claim Sony should cancel the PS3 altogether. We can understand his sentiment, but for a company like Sony to screw over all their customers by cancelling their most important product of the last few years would surely spell suicide. Apparently, it would seem Gabe Newell doesn't realise this, which is surprising given that he is supposed to be a pretty smart guy.
Even if Sony did cancel the PS3 and issue an apology, no one would buy whatever it is they came up with next, because all trust in the Sony brand would be instantly eradicated. Sony's best option now is to try to fix the PS3's issues, such as lack of a cohesive online multiplayer environment, and lack of quality, innovative games in the line-up.
Jan 15, 2007
"Steam is a total disaster on so many levels, I think It's really clear that Valve lost track of what customers and what developers wanted.
I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a do over. Just say, 'This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it."
I completely agree. My slimline PS2 was purchased at the 149$ pricepoint(unexpected xmas present form the wife). I've got a few PS2's in my gameaccess.ca queue that have been highly praised but I was too busy with EQ/DaoC/WoW to play before.miir wrote:Yeah, it only sold a million units a month in that period.It doesn't really look like the pricecut on the PS2 made that much of a difference although sales did seem to 'stall' after the 2001 Holidays
No doubt the price cut boosted sales, but it was selling briskly even before the price cuts.An interesting fact on those it looks like between each price cut, Sony racked up an extra 10 million units sold in the US.
Don't be an ass although I know that's hard for you to accomplish.miir wrote:Yeah, it only sold a million units a month in that period.It doesn't really look like the pricecut on the PS2 made that much of a difference although sales did seem to 'stall' after the 2001 Holidays
I dont own any console (not counting handhelds where I have both DS and PSP) so I'm pretty much a disinterested party. Other than I have Sony hate based on some of the things they've done in the past.Sylvus wrote:You know, it's just my opinion and all, but I would say that any of the three major console companies can have successful offerings without it being mutually exclusive. How many people reading this thread only have one console?
It's all a matter of preference, and I find this ongoing cripple fight to be akin to trying to get someone to switch from being straight to being gay. Accept that you're all going to like different things and move on with your lives!
I don't care about world sales. If you think they're so important then post them yourself. We all know U.S. is the center of the universe and other regions suck. Thus not relevant!miir wrote:Look at the worldwide sales.Aslanna wrote: Don't be an ass although I know that's hard for you to accomplish.
Anyway, here's a chart that breaks it down by month (U.S):
That post listed North American, European and Japanese sales.<snip>
2002/01/31 26.33 million units (Japan: 8.95 million/ USA: 10.05 million/ Europe: 7.33 million)
2002/03/31 28.68 million units (Japan: 9.65 million/ USA: 10.59 million/ Europe: 8.44 million)
2002/05/05 30.02 million units (Japan: 9.99 million/ USA: 11.25 million/ Europe: 8.78 million)
Price Cut - US$199.99 (May 14, 2002) (CAD$299.99)
2002/06/30 33.27 million units (Japan: 10.16 million/ USA: 13.67 million/ Europe: 9.44 million)
2002/09/17 40.04 million units (Japan: 10.97 million/ USA: 17.01 million/ Europe: 12.06 million)
2002/09/30 41.56 million units (Japan: 10.98 million/ USA: 17.94 million/ Europe: 12.64 million)
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No shit? I never would have noticed that.miir wrote:That post listed North American, European and Japanese sales.<snip>
2002/01/31 26.33 million units (Japan: 8.95 million/ USA: 10.05 million/ Europe: 7.33 million)
2002/03/31 28.68 million units (Japan: 9.65 million/ USA: 10.59 million/ Europe: 8.44 million)
2002/05/05 30.02 million units (Japan: 9.99 million/ USA: 11.25 million/ Europe: 8.78 million)
Price Cut - US$199.99 (May 14, 2002) (CAD$299.99)
2002/06/30 33.27 million units (Japan: 10.16 million/ USA: 13.67 million/ Europe: 9.44 million)
2002/09/17 40.04 million units (Japan: 10.97 million/ USA: 17.01 million/ Europe: 12.06 million)
2002/09/30 41.56 million units (Japan: 10.98 million/ USA: 17.94 million/ Europe: 12.64 million)
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I guess mathematics isn't your strong suit.Aslanna wrote:
No shit? I never would have noticed that.
It's not broken down by month. The focus of my post was how price cuts effected North American sales. If that's a problem for you please feel free to contribute a useful post.
Yeah, it only sold a million units a month in that period.
I guess not being a jackass isn't your strong suit.miir wrote:I guess mathematics isn't your strong suit.Aslanna wrote:
No shit? I never would have noticed that.
It's not broken down by month. The focus of my post was how price cuts effected North American sales. If that's a problem for you please feel free to contribute a useful post.
I counted 1,868,520 units sold for that period.*miir wrote:I guess mathematics isn't your strong suit.Aslanna wrote:
No shit? I never would have noticed that.
It's not broken down by month. The focus of my post was how price cuts effected North American sales. If that's a problem for you please feel free to contribute a useful post.
Subtract 2001/12/31 24.99 million units from 2002/05/05 30.02 million units....
That equals about 5 million units in 5 months.
Yeah, it only sold a million units a month in that period.
Halo 3 online 'years ahead' of rivals - ex-Bungie dev
Just because Hideo Kojima hasn't created a title for Xbox 360 as of yet, that doesn't mean he's not interesting on working on Microsoft's next generation console in the future.
"I do have strong interest in creating something for the Xbox 360. In the US and Europe, it is selling, and I think it will sell a lot this year as well. I'm a fan of Gears of War as well, it's very interesting," he told GamePro, according to Eurogamer.
Well, Resistance (PS3's best game) was ranked 40th last month and the Sony Fanboys like to remind us that PS3's have outsold 360's in Japan. I'll take #7 over #40.Animalor wrote:Let's not celebrate too quickly. Blue Dragon did the same thing the week it came out then dropped out of the top 50 the week after. A spike is good, sustained sales is better.
Well, sorta.Aslanna wrote:About 220k actually. 460k for PS3. (These being end of year sales for 2006)miir wrote:What's the total 360 sales in Japan?
Around 300k?
But I think maybe that's the point?
That's exactly the point. Resistance, with double the consoles, can't even outsell the 360's Gears of War.Aslanna wrote:About 220k actually. 460k for PS3. (These being end of year sales for 2006)miir wrote:What's the total 360 sales in Japan?
Around 300k?
But I think maybe that's the point?
In the U.S:Wii gets nearly double PS3's attach rate in Japan
Nintendo's of Japan's rosy Wii launch looked even rosier today as Media Create unveiled preliminary sales figures giving the machine a 1.8 attach rate, trouncing the PS3's "I'm only buying it to sell on Yahoo auctions" 0.98 attach rate.
Following confirmation by Microsoft regarding 10.4 million Xbox 360 consoles having been shipped worldwide by the close of 2006, the company has revealed a number of impressive statistics concerning the console.
Specifically, the company has revealed that its blockbuster Epic Games developed action shooter Gears of War has sold an astounding 2.7 million copies in just 8 weeks of availability, while the Xbox 360 itself has seen an impressive attach rate of 5.3 titles per console. This attach rate is up slightly from the 5.1 games per console sold as confirmed by Microsoft in October, a value that was incidentally cited as "alarming" by analysts' Jason Kraft and Chris Kwak's 'Video Game Journal' the following month.
PlayStation 3 doing so well in Canada that Sony raises its price 50 bucks
"It seems that Sony has made a minor price correction for the PS3 in Canada. Now the unit costs $50 dollars more, for a total of $699.99. Both Best Buy and Futureshop have the console listed at the new price, the old list used to be $659.99. What is Sony doing?"
PS3 may run into a catch 22 situation where developers don't want to release their games until there are enough machines out there while at the same time, consumers want better games and a cheaper console price.Soft PS3 sales spell trouble for EA, others
Who's on the PS3's side, who? Lots. Historically speaking, brand PlayStation has had the best third-party support over any other platform. That's what happens when your first two consoles sell bajillions. A higher install base means more sales of games and a better chance for game developers to make money. So given such strong support for PlayStation systems in general, it's no surprise that EA and others were/are heavy backers of the PS3 from the start.
But according to Bank of America, soft PS3 sales not only spell trouble for Sony but for the many third-party publishers supporting the platform, namely EA. Based on recent channel checks at 50 stores, 78% had PS3s in stock. Hence, "disappointing PS3 hardware sales are an incremental negative for all the game publishers." So much, in fact, that 2007 publisher stocks could take a substantial dive this year as 21% of their total expected revenues were pinned on the PS3.
As you can imagine, continued blame for the low demand was placed on the PS3's price point and and "lack of compelling software titles." The take-away: unless PS3 demand increases in lieu of early mishaps, publishers could also be left in the cold. Maybe more than just gamers are rooting for early price cuts now. The pressure's on.
UK website's take on PS3 launch in Europe:Thursday January 25 2007
By Jack Schofield
Under the circumstances, they should rename it "PayStation 3".
Why? Sony hasn't adjusted the planned UK price of the PlayStation 3 so it's going to be amazingly expensive in dollar terms: £425 is currently $834.89, which is $235 more than an American would have to pay.
This seems strange because Sony would not have to take much of a hit to get the price below a psychological barrier to £399.99. And even then it might be vulnerable to dealers who could offer buyers both an Xbox 360 and a Nintendo Wii for less than that.
Frankly, I think Sony will cut the UK price to £399.99 very quickly.....
It's also strange because sales of the PlayStation 3 appear to be struggling. Sony said it shipped a million units in the US, but that left the majority of shops with stocks. According to GamesIndustry.biz, NPD Group research only reported 490,700 PS3s sold in December, and 687,000 in all.
That would have left an amazing 313,000 unwanted PS3s washing about somewhere. Machines that could have cost Sony around $300 million to make.
The Japanese market also is not being very console-friendly at the moment. According to Digital Trends, research firm Media Create reckons that "last week was the worst sales week for Sony's PlayStation 3 since its launch in Japan, with 25,531 units sold during the week ending January 14".
Again, you have to wonder how many unsold machines are sloshing about, prompting retailers to flog them off at a discount, as already reported.
So, in a couple of months, we will have the amusing spectacle of British PlayStation fans queuing up at midnight to pay some of the world's highest prices for a console that should not really be in short supply, because it seems Sony can already make more than it can sell.
PS3 Owners Report Blu-ray Problems After 1.5 Upgrade
By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews
January 31, 2007, 10:47 AM
An unusually high number of reports of intermittent playback freezes during Blu-ray movies and some games have been posted to Sony's PlayStation 3 forum, as well as to the AVS Forum and other sources, after PS3 owners upgraded to version 1.5 of the system firmware.
Tests run by these users since having noticed the bugs appear to eliminate Blu-ray discs themselves as the cause of these freezes, most of which are said to be momentary and not terminal. Time codes displayed at the time of freezes are dispersed, indicating that the discs are not defective.
The common elements among those reporting problems appear to be the use of the wireless controller for navigating the BD, and wireless connection to the Internet. Though Sony itself has given no official justification for the problem or suggestions, expert forum contributors are suggesting that users reconnect their wireless controllers, and attach their PS3 to their Internet router with a direct Ethernet cable.
The key purpose of the v1.5 firmware patch was reportedly to eliminate scaling problems users experienced when playing PS2 and older games in compatibility mode, with lower resolution being scaled up to high-res displays. The firmware also adds new support for online functionality - which, ironically, may be the indirect cause of the freeze problem.
The level of exasperation expressed by some users only two months after the console's North American release reveals that patience among early adopters in consumer electronics doesn't compare with the levels of ten or twenty years ago.
"We shelled out $600 big ones for this console and were loyal to buy the console as soon as we could get our hands on one," one owner wrote on Sony's forum. "We should not have to rig the PS3 by making sure we have our controllers off and the wireless setting is set to work only on Tuesdays and the sun has to be shining and it can't be colder than 30 degrees outside then our Blu-Ray reader should work properly."
Users who have already contacted Sony's technical support report that agents told them this was the first they'd heard of the problem, and are being advised to disclose their troubles to the PS3 forums online to see if expert users can help.
One contributor to the AVS Forum wrote, "I just called in [to Sony] and got the same soft reset recommendation. I assume this is their standard script, as I got no sense this was a recommendation tied to this particular problem. I probed on whether they were aware of or tracking the problem, but I got nothing beyond generics."
At least one upgrader to version 1.5 received an e-mail back from Sony technical support advising him to upgrade to version 1.5 to see if that fixes the problem. Some upgraders, however, are reporting no trouble whatsoever, though some admit they have a direct Internet connection and not a wireless one.
I'm betting Halo 3 is released November 15th on schedule. They've been working on Halo 3 a long time and probably originally were rushing to get it out in order to compete with the PS3 but after seeing the total lack of interesting, exclusive games on that platform at release or scheduled for the next 12 months, decided to take their time and make Halo 3 even better.Zamtuk wrote:I'm actually considering buying a Wii soon, if I could get my hands on one. (that ups tracking thing sounds neat though) And I probably won't get a 360 until Halo 3 comes out, which god knows when that will be, which by the sound of it will be the updated xbox which is a plus. I don't believe for a second that Halo will be out in November as I remember the same bullshit being said about Halo 2. Bungie is about as reliable as Blizzard on release dates.
Zamtuk wrote:I'm actually considering buying a Wii soon, if I could get my hands on one. (that ups tracking thing sounds neat though) And I probably won't get a 360 until Halo 3 comes out, which god knows when that will be, which by the sound of it will be the updated xbox which is a plus. I don't believe for a second that Halo will be out in November as I remember the same bullshit being said about Halo 2. Bungie is about as reliable as Blizzard on release dates.
Now that's something I'm interested in. Infoz plz.Winnow wrote:Waiting for Halo 3 and the cooler running 360 that's due 2nd quarter of this year is a good strategy if you've waited this long.
┌┘ Miir Currently the 360 CPU is using the standard 90nm processor technology. This makes for a larger and hotter processor core. It uses more power as well.Leonaerd wrote:Now that's something I'm interested in. Infoz plz.Winnow wrote:Waiting for Halo 3 and the cooler running 360 that's due 2nd quarter of this year is a good strategy if you've waited this long.
As you can see, the Xbox 360 is basically a total failure at the HQV benchmark disc. Even a typical $50 DVD player usually has a score of 35 or better. A score over 100 is considered quite good, and few video processors score 120 or more. The latest ATI and Nvidia graphics cards (even the fairly inexpensive ones), with the latest drivers, score well over 100 in the HQV benchmark.
Aslanna wrote:To be fair and balanced here's some 360 news about DVD playback. Sounds like it's pretty crappy!
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1 ... 533,00.asp
As you can see, the Xbox 360 is basically a total failure at the HQV benchmark disc. Even a typical $50 DVD player usually has a score of 35 or better. A score over 100 is considered quite good, and few video processors score 120 or more. The latest ATI and Nvidia graphics cards (even the fairly inexpensive ones), with the latest drivers, score well over 100 in the HQV benchmark.
If the article wants to make a point about the quality of the 360 as a DVD movie player, they should use comparison photos with a $50.00 player.Jice Virago wrote:Umm, saying that a $50 player scored better pretty much is using a $50 player for a comparison, but don't let me get in the way of your obsenance.
There's no room for rationality here. Please move along sir!Jice Virago wrote:Mental masturbation over sales figures and out of context quotes is great and all, but until the PS3 and Wii have been out a year and had some titles released, you can't draw any real conclusions. Of course that won't stop Spunkmaster and the lord of the Winnoverse from regurgitating fanboi crap, but hey I thought the thread needed a little more objectivity from someone who, you know, actually HAS all three consoles.
