Which Version of Vista For You?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » January 25, 2007, 3:35 pm

Which version will you be purchasing for your home PC?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » January 25, 2007, 3:36 pm

I'm trying to figure out if the Vista Ultimate features are worth the $$....i am not sure they are...

noel · Post by **noel** » January 25, 2007, 3:45 pm

Vista Ultimate... mostly for the Remote Desktop + Bitlocker drive encryption, but I might use the backup stuff as well. I don't currently plan to make use of the media center, but that could change in the future and $260 doesn't bother me too much.

It should be noted that it's kind of my job to stay up on the latest technologies, OSes, networking standards, etc. Anything to do with systems or networking infrastructure I'm supposed to at least be familiar with.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 25, 2007, 3:51 pm

Not upgrading. I am not interested in Microsoft playing good cop for the media industry - If I have to go to Linux to continue not paying for music and movies that are not worth the money they charge, then I will.

noel · Post by **noel** » January 25, 2007, 3:56 pm

For the record, if you have XP installed and it's running fine for you, there's really no good reason (at present) to upgrade. The driver situation is still kind of a mess (everything works but not maybe as well as it should). Most of the software that takes advantage of new technologies (directX 10 as an example) hasn't been released yet.

This is nowhere near the upgrade that '98 (or ME *laugh*) to XP was.

Don't get me wrong, I like it, it's stable and there are a lot of little improvements, but in my opinion there's no killer app that makes it a necessity for upgrading.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 25, 2007, 4:05 pm

A friend of mine just installed it - and it seems as though the drm is just as bad as I expected. He couldn't install his microsoft mouse and keyboard because the certificate for the intallation wasn't done properly...

noel · Post by **noel** » January 25, 2007, 4:11 pm

I've had zero problems with DRM, have no idea what you're talking about, and seriously doubt that 10 minutes of google searching wouldn't allow me to figure out what the problem is.

I have a huge collection of music (40+GB) and movies (~20GB) on my PC and I've had no problems with anything related to DRM.

Traz-KOE · Post by **Traz-KOE** » January 25, 2007, 4:28 pm

I'll likely upgrade both Windows and Office sometime before I graduate in order to take advantage of my student discount. Hopefully they get many of the critical bugs and driver issues worked out before then.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 25, 2007, 4:35 pm

I have to go with Ultimate because of the Remote Desktop. I'm not sure I'll use Windows Media Center though so I may opt for a business edition if it's not going to impact games.

If I can get away with an upgrade using a pirated version of XP, which I think you can, I'll probably go with the Ultimate Upgrade as it's only 60.00 more than the business edition:

Full versions

* Windows Vista Home Basic: $199
* Windows Vista Home Premium: $239
* Windows Vista Business: $299
* Windows Vista Ultimate: $399

Upgrade versions

* Windows Vista Home Basic Upgrade: $99
* Windows Vista Home Premium Upgrade: $159
* Windows Vista Business Upgrade: $199
* Windows Vista Ultimate Upgrade: $259

It's lame that Remote Desktop is only in the business edition. People use remote desktop to avoid work, which I'm doing as I write this, as well as for work related things.

Here's link to what each version has:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/g ... fault.mspx

noel · Post by **noel** » January 25, 2007, 4:56 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:A friend of mine just installed it - and it seems as though the drm is just as bad as I expected. He couldn't install his microsoft mouse and keyboard because the certificate for the intallation wasn't done properly...

I just did some exhaustive research on the Vista DRM implementation, and I have yet to find anything even remotely associated with the use of a keyboard or mouse.

I've got non MS-hardware for my mouse, keyboard and gamepad and I've had zero problems with them.

Logic tells me that if I'm using non-MS gear and having no issues, the MS-gear should have new issues.

Are you sure whatever driver you're attempting to install is a Vista driver?

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 25, 2007, 5:02 pm

noel wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:A friend of mine just installed it - and it seems as though the drm is just as bad as I expected. He couldn't install his microsoft mouse and keyboard because the certificate for the intallation wasn't done properly...
I just did some exhaustive research on the Vista DRM implementation, and I have yet to find anything even remotely associated with the use of a keyboard or mouse.

I've got non MS-hardware for my mouse, keyboard and gamepad and I've had zero problems with them.

Logic tells me that if I'm using non-MS gear and having no issues, the MS-gear should have new issues.

Are you sure whatever driver you're attempting to install is a Vista driver?

It's a friend of mine, not me. And I haven't even asked him what else he tried he was just bitching about it first thing this morning.

And I am lucky for the remote desktop thing that I have a linux kernel that I use to vpn into my work computer - so if i do go to vista that is not a deal breaker.

noel · Post by **noel** » January 25, 2007, 5:30 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:It's a friend of mine, not me. And I haven't even asked him what else he tried he was just bitching about it first thing this morning.

Then we go back to your original statement:

Funkmasterr wrote:...and it seems as though the drm is just as bad as I expected...

What the fuck does it have to do with DRM? Why are you insinuating that a situation you know nothing about on a computer you don't have access to is somehow the fault of a DRM system you've quite obviously not read anything about. (hint: I have)

Funkmasterr wrote:And I am lucky for the remote desktop thing that I have a linux kernel that I use to vpn into my work computer - so if i do go to vista that is not a deal breaker.

That barely makes sense. I'm actually impressed with how many things you were able to make nonsensical in a single sentence. I'm currently counting 4, but given time I might be able to increase that number. I know what you're trying to say, but maybe you should mix in a few computer classes or some reading in an effort to be more articulate about the technologies you're making use of. If I put that sentence in an email to my colleagues, I'd look like a fucking idiot.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 25, 2007, 6:08 pm

Thanks for being a dickwad for no reason Noel, I think I was perfectly clear on everything I said.

1- He is getting an error when trying to install drivers saying that the driver is not properly signed so Vista will not allow it to be installed = drm issue PERIOD.

2- What I was saying is I don't use the shitty remote desktop function built into XP, and won't bother using whatever shitty remote desktop function is built into Vista, because I use something that is not dependent on either one of them(which is a Linux Kernel, then the remote desktop function from there, I am not missing any technical terms, I know exactly what the hell I am talking about.)
You knew damn well what I was saying and by no stretch of my imagination is there any reason that I have to put what I was saying into the exact technical terms that I would use at work, on a video game message board.
And please don't insult my intelligence, especially for no good reason. I only take things like that from people who are more intelligent than me, which no one here is.

Have a good day.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » January 25, 2007, 6:21 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Thanks for being a dickwad for no reason Noel, I think I was perfectly clear on everything I said.

Just for the record, I had no idea what you were talking about. But thanks for being a dickwad for no reason.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 25, 2007, 6:28 pm

Funkmasterr wrote: 2- What I was saying is I don't use the shitty remote desktop function built into XP, and won't bother using whatever shitty remote desktop function is built into Vista, because I use something that is not dependent on either one of them(which is a Linux Kernel, then the remote desktop function from there, I am not missing any technical terms, I know exactly what the hell I am talking about.)

What's shitty about XP's remote desktop? It works great for me and Vista's is even better than XP.

In the past, I've used GoToMyPC and VNC but Window's built in remote desktop is the best.

If you don't own XP Pro of Vista Business/Ultimate you'd have to use something else, but they aren't shitty at all. It looks like I'm running Vista Ultimate at work when I'm using Remote Desktop. Speedy too.

Edit: three typos!

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 25, 2007, 6:35 pm

Truant wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:Thanks for being a dickwad for no reason Noel, I think I was perfectly clear on everything I said.
Just for the record, I had no idea what you were talking about. But thanks for being a dickwad for no reason.

My being a dickwad was totally warranted. Noel is the one that was being a prick instead of just making his point.

Winnow - I like using Linux because it is set up by my IT department so I don't have to configure anything - I just open linux (takes about 5 seconds) then use remote desktop (takes another 5 seconds) and I am on my work computer. Not to mention that even if I wanted to use anything else, our IT dept probably wouldn't allow it.

noel · Post by **noel** » January 25, 2007, 6:36 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Thanks for being a dickwad for no reason Noel, I think I was perfectly clear on everything I said.

Here's 'The process':

1. A question is asked.

2. You make a statement.

3. I allow that you might have a greater knowledge of something than I have (my mistake) and go and research the issue.

4. I discover that you have no idea what you're talking about and though I don't give you a reach-a-round while posting, I don't belittle you either.

5. You then admit you really don't know what you're talking about.

Funkmasterr wrote:It's a friend of mine, not me. And I haven't even asked him what else he tried he was just bitching about it first thing this morning.

6. I then slam you like the ignorant, myopic, bitch that you are:
* for making unfounded assertions about a situation you haven't the first clue about
* to discredit you from being a source of technical knowledge for anyone not yet up to speed on your lack of said technical knowledge
* for basically wasting my time (again really my fault, not yours)

7. You then post that I'm a big meanie and then go on to further clarify just how little you know about Vista's DRM, what they were trying to accomplish with it, and what the negatives of Vista's implementation actually are.

So no, I'm not being a 'dickwad for no reason'. There's a process, and I'm following it. I'm even giving you the initial benefit of the doubt. You however continue to reinforce your own ignorance.

Funkmasterr wrote:1- He is getting an error when trying to install drivers saying that the driver is not properly signed so Vista will not allow it to be installed = drm issue PERIOD.

Driver signing has NOTHING at all to do with Digital Rights Management. Nothing at all. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Is that clear? Feel free to mix in a little research.

Funkmasterr wrote:2- What I was saying is I don't use the shitty remote desktop function built into XP, and won't bother using whatever shitty remote desktop function is built into Vista, because I use something that is not dependent on either one of them. You knew damn well what I was saying and by no stretch of my imagination is there any reason that I have to put what I was saying into the exact technical terms that I would use at work, on a video game message board.

Remember when I said that I knew what you were trying to say? If you read carefully, you'll note that I was critical of not what you were saying, but how you were trying to say it.

Funkmasterr wrote:And please don't insult my intelligence, especially for no good reason. I only take things like that from people who are more intelligent from me, which no one here is.

BWAHAHHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAAHAHAAA

Funkmasterr wrote:And I am lucky for the remote desktop thing...

Didn't you just say remote desktop was shitty?

Funkmasterr wrote:...that I have a Linux kernel that I use...

I don't think the words 'Linux kernel' mean what you think they mean.

Funkmasterr wrote:...to vpn into my work computer...

You use a VPN application to VPN into your work computer. While said application might make use of the Linux kernel in a Linux PC, your Linux kernel is not a VPN application.

Funkmasterr wrote:- so if i do go to vista that is not a deal breaker.

I thought you said you weren't getting Vista? I thought you said:

Funkmasterr wrote:Not upgrading. I am not interested in Microsoft playing good cop for the media industry - If I have to go to Linux to continue not paying for music and movies that are not worth the money they charge, then I will.

Are you a waffle?

noel · Post by **noel** » January 25, 2007, 6:44 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Winnow - I like using Linux because it is set up by my IT department so I don't have to configure anything - I just open linux (takes about 5 seconds) then use remote desktop (takes another 5 seconds) and I am on my work computer. Not to mention that even if I wanted to use anything else, our IT dept probably wouldn't allow it.

There's a huge difference between liking Linux, and liking the way someone configures Linux for you.

Winnow I agree, remote desktop on the MS OSes is awesome, especially on a LAN when I'm in different parts of my house and want to do something on a different PC. I just don't think he has enough of an understanding of the technology to make it worthwhile to argue it with him. If he wants to continue to think it's shitty an stupid, he's only hurting himself. It's pretty clear he's never actually used it.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 25, 2007, 6:53 pm

Ok Noel, since you know everything. Explain to me, without going to another site and searching exactly where the information used for DRM is stored in an application.

Take a further step and explain to me, since you say there are no DRM issues with Vista, why I read on various sites that with Vista/Media player you would have your rights revoked if you played any media that did not have DRM. I have said this once, but I will repeat myself- M$ is not the media police, and I am not interested in an application/OS that hinders my ability to steal whatever media I want and play it with whatever program I want (which I currently can do with XP).

When I said "if" I do upgrade to Vista, I meant sometime in the next 10 years, not that it matters.

Remember when I said that I knew what you were trying to say? If you read carefully, you'll note that I was critical of not what you were saying, but how you were trying to say it.

Remember when I said, in the text that you quoted " You knew damn well what I was saying and by no stretch of my imagination is there any reason that I have to put what I was saying into the exact technical terms that I would use at work, on a video game message board."

And I know full well that the Linux Kernel isn't the VPN app, I did not say that it was. I think I clarified that at least once, if not more than once so far in this thread.

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Truant · Post by **Truant** » January 25, 2007, 6:53 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:
Truant wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:Thanks for being a dickwad for no reason Noel, I think I was perfectly clear on everything I said.
Just for the record, I had no idea what you were talking about. But thanks for being a dickwad for no reason.
My being a dickwad was totally warranted. Noel is the one that was being a prick instead of just making his point.

You may feel that you being a dickwad towards Noel was warranted, I won't argue for or against you there. But you were a dickwad to me (and everyone else), by insulting my (our) intelligence. That was unwarranted, and I feel that you owe me, and the rest of this board an apology.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 25, 2007, 7:01 pm

noel wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:Winnow - I like using Linux because it is set up by my IT department so I don't have to configure anything - I just open linux (takes about 5 seconds) then use remote desktop (takes another 5 seconds) and I am on my work computer. Not to mention that even if I wanted to use anything else, our IT dept probably wouldn't allow it.
There's a huge difference between liking Linux, and liking the way someone configures Linux for you.

Winnow I agree, remote desktop on the MS OSes is awesome, especially on a LAN when I'm in different parts of my house and want to do something on a different PC. I just don't think he has enough of an understanding of the technology to make it worthwhile to argue it with him. If he wants to continue to think it's shitty an stupid, he's only hurting himself. It's pretty clear he's never actually used it.

You are wrong. I fully understand what remote desktop is, and how it works. I also understand what Linux is, and I understand that the remote desktop functionality built into it is almost identical to what is in Windows XP, but I like doing things the way I do because when I am working from home (which I loathe doing) I want to think as little as humanly possible, so I like that I can use something that is already set up for me.

I assure you that I haven't received rapid promotions into technical positions, and been integral in technological changes/advancements within my company because I don't know what I am doing, but go ahead and keep arguing a point you are basing off of the fact that I don't come to VV to practice my technical writing skills.

noel · Post by **noel** » January 25, 2007, 7:04 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Ok Noel, since you know everything. Explain to me, without going to another site and searching exactly where the information used for DRM is stored in an application.

What does it matter? Do you know the difference between an application and data?

Take a further step and explain to me, since you say there are no DRM issues with Vista

Show me where I said that.

...why I read on various sites that with Vista/Media player you would have your rights revoked if you played any media that did not have DRM. I have said this once, but I will repeat myself- M$ is not the media police, and I am not interested in an application/OS that hinders my ability to steal whatever media I want and play it with whatever program I want (which I currently can do with XP).

You should stay with XP. You're not an advanced enough user to move to a different OS. The linked article contains all you need to know about Vista's DRM implementation and the drawbacks to it. If you're not motivated enough to read it, I'm sure as hell not going to spoonfeed it to you.

More for the other people who aren't as closeminded as you:
MS isn't claiming to be the media police. Their claim (I question their true motivation) is that without the higher level of DRM support, the media companies weren't willing to commit to making premium content available on a PC. MS is pushing for the PC to basically replace your set top box/DVD player/whatever else you've got and become the focal point of your life. As such they went with what the media companies asked for in an effort to ensure they could deliver premium content to the Vista users. The way they implemented it is questionable at best, and the drawbacks have more to do with degradation of quality than degradation of privacy (though there is some of that).

Edit: Oh and once again, you don't like Linux if you just like the Linux that's configured for you.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 25, 2007, 7:05 pm

Truant wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:
Truant wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:Thanks for being a dickwad for no reason Noel, I think I was perfectly clear on everything I said.
Just for the record, I had no idea what you were talking about. But thanks for being a dickwad for no reason.
My being a dickwad was totally warranted. Noel is the one that was being a prick instead of just making his point.
You may feel that you being a dickwad towards Noel was warranted, I won't argue for or against you there. But you were a dickwad to me (and everyone else), by insulting my (our) intelligence. That was unwarranted, and I feel that you owe me, and the rest of this board an apology.

I fail to see how I was insulting your intelligence, but since you seem to be so deeply bothered by it, I apologize, I FUCKING LOVE EVERYBODY!!!11!

Traz-KOE · Post by **Traz-KOE** » January 25, 2007, 7:09 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:I assure you that I haven't received rapid promotions into technical positions, and been integral in technological changes/advancements within my company because I don't know what I am doing

I assume you just spit in the faces of your superiors and then...yeah, we all know where this goes.

Forget assassination. Ascension by expectoration is the new black, baby.

Regarding Remote Desktop, does anyone have a good information link? I haven't used it before, and am curious as to whether it would be worthwhile for my projects.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 25, 2007, 7:15 pm

noel wrote:What does it matter? Do you know the difference between an application and data?

Yes I do, and it matters because you are trying to tell me how DRM doesn't work.. So if you know all about it then tell me how it DOES work. I fully understand what it does and how it works without going to some messageboard and reading what other people have to say.

noel wrote:I've had zero problems with DRM, have no idea what you're talking about, and seriously doubt that 10 minutes of google searching wouldn't allow me to figure out what the problem is.

I have a huge collection of music (40+GB) and movies (~20GB) on my PC and I've had no problems with anything related to DRM.

Either you are saying that you have illegal mp3's on your computer and all is fine and dandy with Vista/media player 11 (which I have a very hard time believing) or you it is all valid legal music that would not cause any DRM issues, and if that is the cae then you posting that information was completely invalid and had nothing to do with what I was saying.

Again, you are making comments you have no business making. I have worked with every Windows operating system released besides Vista, and a fair amount with Linux as well.

And on the topic of your last paragraph - so it's ok with you (it must be if you are paying for/supporting the product) that Microsoft and the music industry are doing something to make even more money when thats the last thing that either of them needs?

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 25, 2007, 7:17 pm

Traz-KOE wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:I assure you that I haven't received rapid promotions into technical positions, and been integral in technological changes/advancements within my company because I don't know what I am doing
I assume you just spit in the faces of your superiors and then...yeah, we all know where this goes.

Forget assassination. Ascension by expectoration is the new black, baby.

Regarding Remote Desktop, does anyone have a good information link? I haven't used it before, and am curious as to whether it would be worthwhile for my projects.

Who are you? When I want your opinion I'll give it to you, son.

noel · Post by **noel** » January 25, 2007, 7:33 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:
noel wrote:What does it matter? Do you know the difference between an application and data?
Yes I do, and it matters because you are trying to tell me how DRM doesn't work.. So if you know all about it then tell me how it DOES work. I fully understand what it does and how it works without going to some messageboard and reading what other people have to say.

noel wrote:I've had zero problems with DRM, have no idea what you're talking about, and seriously doubt that 10 minutes of google searching wouldn't allow me to figure out what the problem is.

I have a huge collection of music (40+GB) and movies (~20GB) on my PC and I've had no problems with anything related to DRM.
Either you are saying that you have illegal mp3's on your computer and all is fine and dandy with Vista/media player 11 (which I have a very hard time believing) or you it is all valid legal music that would not cause any DRM issues, and if that is the cae then you posting that information was completely invalid and had nothing to do with what I was saying.

MP3s don't contain DRM information. That's why a lot of people who use Itunes or Windows Media player encode all of their music in MP3 instead of AAC/WMA format. There's a software DRM component in the application and in the data file if that particular data file supports DRM. It's extremely clear to me that you believe you understand DRM and what it means on Vista, but in reality you don't at all.

I still have quite a few MP3s from the original Napster's Hayday, but most of my music is either from ripped CDs or more recently the Itunes store.

I've downloaded TV shows and movies from torrent sites and had no issues whatsoever watching them in Windows Media Player 11.

Again, you are making comments you have no business making.

You're making an absolute fool out of yourself.

And on the topic of your last paragraph - so it's ok with you (it must be if you are paying for/supporting the product) that Microsoft and the music industry are doing something to make even more money when thats the last thing that either of them needs?

What's the purpose of business, Funkmasterr?

Why shouldn't a company make as much money as they possibly can? I'm not telling you you should buy this product, or any MS product for that matter. I've even resisted the urge to tell you to pay for your music and your movies, but what I'm not going to tolerate is you making blatantly false statements about the technology because you heard something and thought you understood it.

If you enjoy someones music or movies, you should pay for them. Stop being a class warrior, you just make yourself look like an idiot. What does "they have too much money already" even mean?

Traz-KOE · Post by **Traz-KOE** » January 25, 2007, 7:45 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Who are you?

I'm just some guy who's throwing something (else) REALLY STUPID you once wrote in your face (again) for no particular reason other than that it gives me a small bit of perverse joy to do so.

As for my opinion, I haven't given one yet. Didn't you cover the definition of 'opinion' back in, say, grade school? Let me help you out (pick one; all of them apply equally well to at least some part of my previous post): insult, assumption, declaration, inference, implication, imperative, inquiry.

Conversely, let me give you an OPINION so you can declare that you haven't asked for it. I THINK you're an angry little twat shooting your mouth off in an attempt to prove your worth to a bunch of people you've already blown it with due to your penchant for talking shit you can't back up. I THINK that if want to be taken seriously you should probably move on to a new community in which you have not already outed yourself as a freelance village idiot. Finally, I THINK you had best check the age listings on the left before referring to someone as 'son'.

Son.

noel · Post by **noel** » January 25, 2007, 7:46 pm

I know who Traz is.

Who the fuck are you, Funkmasterr?

cid · Post by **cid** » January 25, 2007, 7:47 pm

Traz>Punkmaster

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 25, 2007, 7:49 pm

While I would love to argue the same thing back and forth with you forever, im getting bored already.

As to your last comment, if you really want to get into the not paying for music argument in the 500th thread on these forums... I won't pay for a cd unless I will listen to and enjoy 99% of the songs on the cd, and I can count the number of cd's that have achieved that in the past 7 or 8 years on my hands. Without getting into it more, thats the bottom line. If you really knew me, you would know that by no means am I a "stick it to the man" kind of guy.
In fact, I detest people that always need something to be an activist about. That is the reason I couldn't stand Rage Against the Machine's lyrics but loved the instruments, and it is also a part of the reason why a handful of people that post here bother me.

noel · Post by **noel** » January 25, 2007, 7:55 pm

I won't give you any shit if you don't wanna pay for something.

God knows when I was young and poor I pirated every goddamn thing, and if I hadn't, I wouldn't have been able to learn what I needed to to advance my career as fast as I did.

The only thing I'm arguing (and I promise you I'm 100% correct) is that you really don't understand what's wrong with Vista's DRM, why people are up in arms about it, and how it will affect you with your current piracy (not meant in a derogatory way) habits.

I've provided you with a link to an excellent article, and if you cared to the degree you're upset, you'd take the time to read it and have a better understanding. I'll continue to flame the shit out of you when you're dead wrong on something and posting inaccurate information.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 25, 2007, 8:00 pm

Traz-KOE wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:Who are you?
I'm just some guy who's throwing something (else) REALLY STUPID you once wrote in your face (again) for no particular reason other than that it gives me a small bit of perverse joy to do so.

As for my opinion, I haven't given one yet. Didn't you cover the definition of 'opinion' back in, say, grade school? Let me help you out (pick one; all of them apply equally well to at least some part of my previous post): insult, assumption, declaration, inference, implication, imperative, inquiry.

Conversely, let me give you an OPINION so you can declare that you haven't asked for it. I THINK you're an angry little twat shooting your mouth off in an attempt to prove your worth to a bunch of people you've already blown it with due to your penchant for talking shit you can't back up. I THINK that if want to be taken seriously you should probably move on to a new community in which you have not already outed yourself as a freelance village idiot. Finally, I THINK you had best check the age listings on the left before referring to someone as 'son'.

Son.

I hope you are joking. Prove my worth? If I don't bump heads with someone here, great. But by no means do I need to feel valued by you or anyone else here. I am here because I want to be, for my entertainment and sometimes for information, and because I have paid more to keep this site I am so unwelcome at than all but probably 10 people total here.

Oh but hey, I should act all hurt so that you will feel like you won, and Noel and whoever else can come in like the faggot cheerleaders I know they are and say how bad you pwned me, and how ignorant I am.

noel · Post by **noel** » January 25, 2007, 8:08 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Oh but hey, I should act all hurt so that you will feel like you won, and Noel and whoever else can come in like the faggot cheerleaders I know they are and say how bad you pwned me, and how ignorant I am.

Gimme a T! Gimme an R! -- nevermind...

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » January 25, 2007, 8:09 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:I assure you that I haven't received rapid promotions into technical positions, and been integral in technological changes/advancements within my company because I don't know what I am doing, but go ahead and keep arguing a point you are basing off of the fact that I don't come to VV to practice my technical writing skills.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You did NOT just try to go there did you? This is the board you came to in order to get those promotions.

noel · Post by **noel** » January 25, 2007, 8:12 pm

OMG OMG DOES ANYONE HERE KNOW ASP?!?!!? VISUAL C++?!?!? .NET?!?!?!?

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 25, 2007, 8:16 pm

Boogahz wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:I assure you that I haven't received rapid promotions into technical positions, and been integral in technological changes/advancements within my company because I don't know what I am doing, but go ahead and keep arguing a point you are basing off of the fact that I don't come to VV to practice my technical writing skills.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You did NOT just try to go there did you? This is the board you came to in order to get those promotions.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, yeah I think two times I asked questions here and got nothing but shit from people about asking the questions - and ended up figuring the problem out on my own. Again, nice try.

noel · Post by **noel** » January 25, 2007, 8:21 pm

We weren't talking about the time you asked how to configure firefox you fucking mong.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 25, 2007, 8:30 pm

I know full well what you were talking about you arrogant prick. The one time I can recall off the top of my head was a issue with our product not displaying in Internet Explorer and I don't think I got a single bit of help from VV, and the solution I ended up coming to for the issue was entirely figured out on my own through trial and error. I know there was one other time that had something to do with programming, and all I was asking for was resources to look for on how to teach myself to do a bit more with programming, not for anyone to tell me how to do shit.

I will add to that, that recently I saw someone else post something they couldn't figure out for work and everyone helped and no one ran there mouth, which is just another reason why YOU again are the one being an idiot and an asshole.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » January 25, 2007, 8:30 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:
Boogahz wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:I assure you that I haven't received rapid promotions into technical positions, and been integral in technological changes/advancements within my company because I don't know what I am doing, but go ahead and keep arguing a point you are basing off of the fact that I don't come to VV to practice my technical writing skills.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You did NOT just try to go there did you? This is the board you came to in order to get those promotions.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, yeah I think two times I asked questions here and got nothing but shit from people about asking the questions - and ended up figuring the problem out on my own. Again, nice try.

Here are a couple for you. I didn't feel like wasting too much time over my break at work, so I am sure you could find more if you wanted to.

http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/view ... hp?t=18118

http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/view ... hp?t=18103

Note how in one, you were explicit about the reason you were doing the "project" which you could not manage was in order to score points at work!

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » January 25, 2007, 8:33 pm

As to the topic of this thread, I was thinking about going with Home Premium originally, but I may end up with Ultimate. I have yet to actually find anything on the Vista site that actually lays out what all of the "Ultimate goodies" are beyond being something better. I do not need the Remote Desktop at all, but I want to see what else I will be "missing" (besides the ability to do a straight upgrade from XP Pro to Home Premium) before I actually decide.

noel · Post by **noel** » January 25, 2007, 8:34 pm

Scoreboard Boogahz.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 25, 2007, 8:35 pm

Again dude, your lack of comprehension skills is almost stunning right now which is not usually par for you.

First thread you posted - you cocky arrogant good for nothing fucking assholes did not contribute a single thing to helping me resolve the issue - I figured it out myself.

second thread - I simply asked for a few good resources, which I then used and taught myself how to do the shit (and got both things done, btw.) So how can you sit there and say that anyone here had anything to do with me scoring points at work when I did it all on my own?

Not that any answer you give is going to be good enough, because I am right here, but I am curious.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » January 25, 2007, 8:41 pm

You're basically "that guy." That guy who knows a little bit more than the "masses" and sells himself to be the tech guru among his friends/family/co-workers that know no better. That guy who is able to break things easier than he can repair them, but has no problem asking for help in solving the problems. That guy who has taken the step of asking for help, but still hasn't managed to learn any humility in doing so. You are "that guy" who takes bits and pieces of information from other sources and claims it as his own without knowing what the information actually means.

You are, That Guy.

noel · Post by **noel** » January 25, 2007, 8:43 pm

Droz wrote:Don't be that guy!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 25, 2007, 8:51 pm

Boogahz wrote:As to the topic of this thread, I was thinking about going with Home Premium originally, but I may end up with Ultimate. I have yet to actually find anything on the Vista site that actually lays out what all of the "Ultimate goodies" are beyond being something better.

Here's the windows extras being released Jan 30th:

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/win ... extras.asp

Nothing must have yet but I guess they plan on releasing more extras beyond those.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » January 25, 2007, 9:05 pm

Winnow wrote:
Boogahz wrote:As to the topic of this thread, I was thinking about going with Home Premium originally, but I may end up with Ultimate. I have yet to actually find anything on the Vista site that actually lays out what all of the "Ultimate goodies" are beyond being something better.
Here's the windows extras being released Jan 30th:

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/win ... extras.asp

Nothing must have yet but I guess they plan on releasing more extras beyond those.

Thanks! This is a lot more information than I found through the "publicity" sites Microsoft had up when I was shopping.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » January 25, 2007, 9:36 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:
Truant wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:
Truant wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:Thanks for being a dickwad for no reason Noel, I think I was perfectly clear on everything I said.
Just for the record, I had no idea what you were talking about. But thanks for being a dickwad for no reason.
My being a dickwad was totally warranted. Noel is the one that was being a prick instead of just making his point.
You may feel that you being a dickwad towards Noel was warranted, I won't argue for or against you there. But you were a dickwad to me (and everyone else), by insulting my (our) intelligence. That was unwarranted, and I feel that you owe me, and the rest of this board an apology.
I fail to see how I was insulting your intelligence, but since you seem to be so deeply bothered by it, I apologize, I FUCKING LOVE EVERYBODY!!!11!

You insulted the intelligence of everyone on this board when said this:

Funkmasterr wrote:I only take things like that from people who are more intelligent than me, which no one here is.

This is an insult because you have proved your intelligence with your actions multiple times, in multiple threads on this forum. You have made it very clear to all of us, many times, that you are not very intelligent. You then said that all of us are dumber than you, which was the first insult.

I present this quote from you in this thread as article b7.2:

Funkmasterr wrote:When I want your opinion I'll give it to you, son.

What does this mean?! It doesn't make any sense! When you want his opinion, you'll give it to him...and then what? This doesn't satisfy your stated want or need for his opinion, so the transaction is incomplete. A much more accurate (and intelligent!) statement might have gone something like this:

When I want your opinion, I'll ask for it.

Note the satisfaction of the conditions set forth by the statement. It is complete, and makes the writer convey a greater level of intelligence. Also note the use of the comma to seperate the adverb clause.

If you'll excuse that interruption, I now return to my original point. After makingthe above statement, that you were more intelligent than all of us, you continued posting (very poorly) in this thread, further lowering the perceived level of your intelligence here on this forum. This has continued the insult, as you have now said that we are even less intelligent now than you said we were before, by making yourself appear less intelligent now, than you were when you made that statement.

This could be the beginning of a very dangerous cycle, as the majority of your posts here on the vault make you appear less intelligent than the last. Which is going to again insult all of us FURTHER by your assertion that you are more intelligent than all of us.

I, for one, accept your apology, but you only issued it to me as an individual. If you wish to avoid this vicious cycle, you should consider issuing a public apology to the board, or individual apologies to each of it's members, whichever is your preferrence.

Regards,
Truant.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » January 26, 2007, 12:12 am

Funkmasterr wrote: I assure you that I haven't received rapid promotions into technical positions, and been integral in technological changes/advancements within my company because I don't know what I am doing, but go ahead and keep arguing a point you are basing off of the fact that I don't come to VV to practice my technical writing skills.

I feel extremely sorry for your company. My condolences, I expect it to go belly up soon enough. You have no fucking clue of what you are rambling on about.

Please keep it up though. It amuses me to read it.

As for Vista.. except for a test machine at work and one at home I am not upgrading at this time. We made the decision at work there is no point in doing it at this time. However, I need it on my test machines since I have to make our software releases compatible with Vista (and O2K7.. ugh..). Pain in the friggin ass. How the FUCK can MS drop support of SQL 2000??? Bastards!

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » January 26, 2007, 4:29 am

I guess I get some kind of free upgrade to Vista home ed. with my ASUS notebook purchase. I will wait and see if vista is a hog or not before installing as a main OS.

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